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Re: [tomcat] To retro or not?:
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azrockclimber
May 23, 2007, 11:35 AM
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tomcat wrote: Changing things by"consensus"is bullshit too.There is no such thing in climbing.Mr.Fracture hangs out with his retrobolt buddies and thinks he has a consensus,you don't.I hang with Traddies,we don't either.You can obviously find support for even the most asinine actions on the internet,as this thread proves.Not everything with bolts is a sport route. Climbing is not about"the moves".Bouldering and break dancing are.If you are too scared to lead the route,go put up your own,and stop fucking up the sport.Public service bolting....what a crock!!Get some sack.
WHOA WHOA WHOA.....I completely disagree.... I lived in, what I consider, to be a real climbing community with serious history and true climbing ethics...for about 7 years.... Tucson...
If the FA was not around ( that means dead) his ethics were upheld as best as possible. Which in 99.9% of the cases that means leave it alone. Local badasses who moved...i.e. steve grossman.... someone who was friends with him would call and talk to about it. I believe that at least once he agreed that maybe a bolt should be added at this one spot. So the consensus is strictly for climbers that are dead. And that ethic should be upheld by the climbing elders in the community. If "they" don't exist it should be left as is.
that is the way it is in the true climbing communnities that I have been involved with....
Baiscally TOMCAT.... you misunderstoo what I meant by consensus.. I was referring to a group of climbing "elders" who had been in the community forever who were responsible for the cartaking of the mountain and the crags.
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