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vegastradguy
Sep 29, 2007, 11:49 PM
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In reply to: These routes in question are 12c and up. Is there anyone out there that actually climbs 12c that objects to leaving cleaner biners?
what does anyones climbing ability have to do with it? its an eyesore from the ground. what we're saying is- pick up after yourself no matter who you are. laziness is not an excuse.
In reply to: Isn't it funny how the committed 5.12 climbers are the lazy ones and the 5.8 goobs that have been climbing for three weeks are the ethics police?
maybe those 5.12 climbers should take a lesson from the 5.8 climbers. LNT actually does apply to all levels of climbing.
In reply to: When bitching about these subjects consider if it actually affects you or not. Most of you can't get to the cleaner biner anyway.
it affects everyone. whether or not we can get to the carabiner is moot. eyesores are eyesores and they make climbers look bad to the rest of the outdoor community. this lazy attitude will eventually get a cliff closed because some wanker was too lazy to clean up after himself.
In reply to: Another funny thing about this particular forum is the idea that fixed chains are property of the crag and shouldn't be stolen while fixed draws are someone's personal property and should be removed and considered trash.
i dont remember ever seeing this attitude on the forum. while i consider it lazy at best, if there are draws on a project, i do leave them there....
In reply to: In the eloquent words of the poet philosopher CinnamonJohnson: "I wonder when someone is actually going to redpoint realization."
me too.
In reply to: Peter Croft, surely he would take his stuff home at the end of the day. Last winter he had a fixed toprope on his project at Owens for months. Plus a cam anchor at ground level that I could have easily walked away with. Is it still booty that is up for grabs if it belongs to a guy that soloed astroman?
if Croft actually did that, he just lost some serious respect from me- although i have trouble believing that.
In reply to: I'm just trying to reveal what real climbing is like. Sometimes it involves fixed gear and faith that the common man won't steal your things.
sometimes it does. in my mind, fixed gear can be left overnight, two days at most. after that, go get your shit.
In reply to: I've written similar posts every time this subject comes up. And I will continue to do so until the ethics police stop stealing my stuff.
start cleaning up after yourself, and then the ethics police wont have to steal your shit.
(This post was edited by vegastradguy on Sep 29, 2007, 11:49 PM)
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