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Re: [organic] Groover bolts, Laurel Knob, NC:
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j_ung
Dec 6, 2006, 7:31 PM
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organic wrote: So someone decided to send me hate mail because they thought it would be kind.
:roll: Swell. Please understand, he or she doesn't speak for the rest of us.
organic wrote: It is the attitude of the community that sucks. There is no attempt to unify climbers, there is only an attempt to make an US and a THEM. People threaten, they do not address concerns. People recruit, they don't make friends.
Honestly, I haven't found this to be the case at all. I'm left wondering if your own attitude isn't at least partially the reason for it. More than once on this site, I've come away with the feeling that you tend to toss insults to people you've never met and who haven't spoken a single word to you. Any disagreement with you at all seems likely to bring it out. Without justifying hate mail, perhaps if hadn't opened with, "if the bolts were put up recently why chop them besides to asuage your own ego?" things might have gone differently.
organic wrote: Someday you people will understand that climbing is about freedom and respect and enjoying the things we have.
There it is again, that self-righteous attitude. "Someday you people will realize"? That comes off as though you believe you've acheived a level of enlightenment about which the rest of us have only dreamed. So, climbing is about freedom, respect and enjoying the things we have, is it? Have you considered that perhaps climbing is about many things to many people, and that maybe some of those things include stewardship of the land and respect for the resource we all use?
organic wrote: Not tyrannical rules by a few who have appointed themselves rulers elected by fellow rulers, over a crag bought by donations.
Nobody appointed the CCC Board. Those who wanted to voted. If you had a better choice, you should have brought it up when cccman stepped down as President. But then, you don't pay attention. If you did, the very issue you're pissed about wouldn't have surprised you here yesterday, even though it happened on the CCC site weekes ago.
So, your opinion... don't chop the bolts, right? I happen to agree with it. I also agree with you that the amount of $$ you donated to LK should not determine whether you have a voice in its management... and I donated way more than my fair share. But I also don't think anybody who communicates like you do should be given as much of a voice as those who act their age.
(This post was edited by j_ung on Dec 6, 2006, 7:34 PM)
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Post edited by j_ung
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Post edited by j_ung
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