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javaguy
Apr 13, 2005, 10:40 AM
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I read the funniest article EVER on rockcliming today. Check out the "How To: Go Rock Climbing" article at askmen.com. This Steve Richer guy really knows what he is talking about :D
My favourite quote is:
"Bouldering: This method consists of climbing small boulders without any equipment. Basically, it's like hiking with some obstacles thrown in. "
HAHAHA I fell of my chair when I read that..."like hiking with some obstacles thrown in"..
hahaha..he makes it sound so easy :D
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I think you should entitle your post the most worrying rock climbing article ever.
I love how at the end of the article he says "Now that you've learned the basics, you're ready to enroll in a climbing course and impress everyone with your knowledge" I'm not sure the knowledge gained in that article is gonna impress to many people!
Andy
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Apr 13, 2005, 11:30 AM
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Hey...If I saw someone come into the gym with $1500 worth of equipment(including suction cups) and ask to be taught how to climb, I would probably die. Man are people ignorant and just plain stupid!!!
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crimpstrength
Apr 13, 2005, 11:34 AM
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I am no expert on aid climbing, but do you guys actually use suction cups? :roll:
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wingnut
Apr 13, 2005, 12:03 PM
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I think i'm gonna pass out.
seriously though, why would anyone write something like that when they obviously have no clue what they're talking about?
*snorts* heh suction cups :lol:
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In reply to: For many climbers, rappelling, although dangerous, is the most interesting aspect of rock climbing.
What? Which climbers?
In reply to: Once you're properly trained for it and all your elements are secure, rappelling is easy and safe.
Oh yeah, rappelling's real safe.
NOT!!!!!!
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Apr 13, 2005, 12:33 PM
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In reply to: Full-safety climbing: This is a lot like climbing a wall at the gym. You climb using existing grips while someone on the ground pulls on your rope to make it easier for you.
Ooooh now I see why I was finding it so difficult to get to the top of the climb! My belayer wasn't doing it right!!!
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In reply to: Full-safety climbing: This is a lot like climbing a wall at the gym. You climb using existing grips while someone on the ground pulls on your rope to make it easier for you.
top roping???? :?
In reply to: Bouldering: This method consists of climbing small boulders without any equipment. Basically, it's like hiking with some obstacles thrown in.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
In reply to: Aid climbing: When the face of the mountain doesn't offer any more grips and holds, some experienced climbers pull out suction cups and similar tools to climb up. This is a very dangerous method.
they MUST be joking
In reply to: Use handholds at head level because raising your arms any higher can get exhausting.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
anybody noticed that the author of this "article" is a "lifestyle correspondent"????
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Apr 13, 2005, 12:41 PM
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I always thought i climbed like a wimp because i wasnt strong, smart or skilled enough,now i realize i just forgot my suction cups!!Fortress of solitude here I come.
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Apr 13, 2005, 12:43 PM
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LOLOLOL great post!!
askposers.com sez
"You need to be trememdously physically fit to stay alive" How have I ever survived climbing???
"Rappelling is safe and easy" I'll go out on a limb and say this guy's never done multipitch anything.
I'm off to hike some V13's
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Apr 13, 2005, 12:43 PM
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My favorite line:
"Whether you want to impress a girl, find a new hobby, or plan on someday climbing Mount Everest,...."
Wow.
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In reply to: rappelling, although dangerous,
In reply to: rappelling is easy and safe.
Fine piece of journalism. So, is it dangerous or safe?
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taualum23
Apr 13, 2005, 12:53 PM
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Dear Mr. Richer,
I just hope you realize that your article was beyond misinformed. The levels of inaccuracies are staggering. Truly. I have been climbing for 18 years. Suction cups are never, ever, involved with aid climbing. Bouldering is NOT hiking with obstacles, bouldering is normally short, extremely difficult sequences. Most of the hardest individual moves ever completed by humans are within boulder problems.
I know you are not a climber, not an outdoor writer, but if someone fed you that information, they had fun at your expense, and you never bothered to check your facts.
Sorry to be so blunt, but that article was an embarrassment, and it should be to you as well.
Better luck with your next outdoor article,
Josh
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Apr 13, 2005, 12:54 PM
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I was queasily amused to read that soloing made it into the article at all (a distinction between sport and trad climbing would probably have been more helpful). Add another point for responsible journalism!
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Apr 13, 2005, 12:57 PM
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i love the final paragraph where the author/lifestyle correspondent namedrops sylvester stallone and the movie cliffhanger.
because when little climber boys and girls grow up they want to be as big and strong as stallone.
LOL
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harshklimber
Apr 13, 2005, 1:09 PM
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Had me some good chuckles this AM.
"You need to be tremendously physically fit in order to stay alive -- blunt, but true." ---> Are you effin kidding me?
but this is truly classic: "From there, it's only a matter of time before you can be like Sylvester Stallone in Cliffhanger."
Stupid ppl in this world never cease to amaze me with their ignorance...
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Apr 13, 2005, 1:12 PM
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Funny but dangerous. A little knowledge could get you killed.
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In reply to: a grading scale has been devised. It goes from 1 to 6, 6 being the most difficult.
And to think, all this time I thought I was climbing hard in fifth class!
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Apr 13, 2005, 1:36 PM
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I sent the writer an e-mail, telling him what I thought of his article. As usual, I used tact and courtesy in conveying my message.
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Apr 13, 2005, 1:47 PM
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"Browse the Yellow Pages or ask your local sporting goods store about climbing destinations in your area."
Sharma's latest problem... the one on secret private property? Just let your fingers do the walking, under "Witness the Fitness" in the Yellow Pages.
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climb_in
Apr 13, 2005, 1:52 PM
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this guy and this article, definitely NOT helping to advance our sport
still can't get over how lame and contrived that article was. . . be a rock climber and soon you'll be like stallone and hanging out with hot celebrity babes!!!
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taualum23
Apr 13, 2005, 1:53 PM
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I love that pic. An unroped guy with cams hanging off his harness, really stoked that he finished his hike. Cause, you know, hiking is a huge part of rockclimbing. I read it in the article. "A month before going climbing, proceed with cardiovascular fitness by swimming, biking or running. You need to build up your stamina, as hiking is a large part of rock climbing."
EDIT: I WASTED MY 1000TH POST ON THIS CRAP!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Apr 13, 2005, 1:55 PM
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wow. This guy obviously lives under a rock and talks to no one but the creepy crawlies who tickle his feet at night. I mean, has he ever tried a google search? Has he ever spoken to anyone who actually climbed something?
"You must look up to find handholds and down for footholds. A hold can serve as both a handhold and a foothold"
thank you obvious-man. I would have been looking up for my footholds if you hadn't explained it to me.
Ooooooh, wait, I have to get ready to swoon over him now that he's a hot rock climber guy. :roll:
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Apr 13, 2005, 2:15 PM
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That article was awful. I had to read the Aid climbing section three times to make sure he really said "suction cups." All I can think of is The Man with Two Brains...
I was going to write him an email, but it seems you all have that covered already ;)
-Joe
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Apr 13, 2005, 2:17 PM
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" From there, it's only a matter of time before you can be like Sylvester Stallone in Cliffhanger. "
awesome.
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nostalgia
Apr 13, 2005, 2:20 PM
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Theories on where he got his information?
http://www.soyouwanna.com/...ockclimbingFULL.html
Think he visited the one website and decided he could plaigiarize it for an article?
-Joe
Edit to make the link clicky. I thought it automagically did that. Guess not :)
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Apr 13, 2005, 2:20 PM
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Don't worry, he was thorough in his research:
In reply to: Resources: www.thechipster.com www.rei.com www.ehow.com www.triangle.com www.exum.ofutah.com www.sierrarockclimbingschool.com www.soyouwanna.com www.greatoutdoors.com http://gorp.away.com www.abc-of-rockclimbing.com - About www.abc-of-rockclimbing.com - Where to rock climb
There are just too many funny lines to quote.
It's disguisting that he probably got paid to write that.
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Apr 13, 2005, 2:25 PM
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In reply to: I sent the writer an e-mail, telling him what I thought of his article. As usual, I used tact and courtesy in conveying my message.
Did you ever get a reply from the writer?
This is my first official post, of which I am going to say...Good Lord!! Who is this guy??
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Apr 13, 2005, 2:31 PM
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Seriously!!! This is the funniest thing I've seen in... well... DAMN that's funny!!! I keep trying to stiffle my giggles while I am here at work in my little cube! :lol:
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I think the really beautiful thing about this (aside from the hilarity of the article itself) is the fact that we can set aside our flame wars for just a moment to rip the shit out of something that desperately deserves it.
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Apr 13, 2005, 2:35 PM
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What a GREAT idea for gear:
suction cups
The manufacturer says "The uses are unlimited. They can be used on almost any non-porous surface." Oh, wait...
"Lifting Capacity (pounds) 25"
Damn! I thought we were on to something.
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Apr 13, 2005, 2:36 PM
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Lets hope not too many people read this otherwise we wont be able to find "suction cups" at gearexpress.com for months.
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In reply to: In reply to: I sent the writer an e-mail, telling him what I thought of his article. As usual, I used tact and courtesy in conveying my message. Did you ever get a reply from the writer? This is my first official post, of which I am going to say...Good Lord!! Who is this guy??
Not yet. I'll keep you informed.
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i think i may have to print this article and post it up in the gym... good times!
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Wow! That makes TheOnion (http://theonion.com) look like serious journalism.
Did anyone ever get a reply from the writer (and I use that term loosely) of the article? That's a pretty heinous attempt at journalism.
On the up side, I haven't laughed that hard in a long time! Climbing at the gym is going to be so much easier now that I know my belayer is supposed to pull on the rope to help me up!
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Mad Props to anyone who takes this whacko out climbing for a day! Holy wow that would be amusing! I'd tell him he has to provide his own suction cups cuz I only ever bring enough for myself :lol:
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Personally, I would rather be like Chris O'Donnel in "Vertical Limit". Could Stallone sprint in crampons? I think not.
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fitzontherocks
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I, too, e-mailed the author (just about an hour ago), but no word yet. I didn't make any judgements, but only supplied the link for this thread and thanked him for the entertainment he's provided here on rc.com.
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Apr 13, 2005, 3:13 PM
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I emailed the editor. I pointed him to this thread, along with some other informative threads. The fact that the article got published at all is seriously disturbing.
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As much as it pained me to make the effort, I read the article to see what all the bitching was about.
Frankly, you people are nitpicking a fairly routine article about rockclimbing written by a non-climber.
It's just a big whatever.
A friend of mine had a huge article written about him in the local paper. It was amazing that even after a lengthy interview and a proof read, the dude still messed up, a lot.
Now you know how firefighters feel when news people talk about their profession, or cops, or doctors, or whatever. They always blow a lot of details....
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Apr 13, 2005, 3:22 PM
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Wow, even worse.
In reply to: Aid (or artificial) climbing This should be left to pros. Used mainly when free climbing becomes impossible, aid climbing uses equipment (like hand-held suction cup thingies) to create artificial holds in the rock. Complicated and scary.
In reply to: Aid climbing: When the face of the mountain doesn't offer any more grips and holds, some experienced climbers pull out suction cups and similar tools to climb up. This is a very dangerous method.
We should contact whoever runs soyouwanna.com and get them to sue this guy. Or contact the editor of askmen.com and see if they'll fire him...
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Here is the editors policy for AskMen.com
In reply to: AskMen.com's mission is to address reader inquiries with informative and straightforward content. We aspire to offer original and useful advice for the male community using a hands-on approach; if men want to read about it, we will write about it. AskMen.com's goal is to approach matters and give readers what they want, all the while following strict guidelines of editorial neutrality to uphold our credibility. We are committed to quickly correcting any errors in fact or interpretation brought to the attention of the AskMen.com staff. We strive for excellent and precise content and do not allow inaccuracies to remain in our permanent archive. The use of hyperlinks does not imply that AskMen.com agrees with the content being linked to and provides no guarantee that the content contains accurate information.
http://www.askmen.com/editor/index.html
The fact that they "...do not allow inaccuracies to remain in our permanent archive." says to me that this article will be gone very soon.
The firefighter analogy is not even relevant. Nobody is going to go out and start fighting fires after reading an article. However, some people will go out and attempt rock climbing after reading this article (I'm waiting to see some guy with suction cups at the crag. :lol: )
Anyway, I honestly hope the editors do something about this article.
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Apr 13, 2005, 3:51 PM
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I told my Newb buddy(who thought it would be ok to use his bike helmet for climbing) that he needed to pick up some suction cups for out climbing trip this weekend. I provided that link to purchase the cups to him, now I just need to see if he takes the bait.
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In reply to: The firefighter analogy is not even relevant. Nobody is going to go out and start fighting fires after reading an article. However, some people will go out and attempt rock climbing after reading this article (I'm waiting to see some guy with suction cups at the crag. :lol: ) Anyway, I honestly hope the editors do something about this article.
So on the one hand you give people credit for having the intelligence to recognize that to fight fires one needs to train to be a fire fighter, but in the same sentence assert that people will read this article and go -out-a-rock-climbing?
I ain't buying that load bro.
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I saved a ton of money buying a couple of thingies you use on a stopped up toilet instead of buying those official suction cups those climbing companies are selling. But are they just as safe? I don't know. I guess I'll just use them for boldering/hiking till I can find specs on them.
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In reply to: It's a ridiculous mistake that would be cleared up by simply showing the article to a firefighter. -Joe
You would think. But I assure you, they routinely blow it (they meaning reporters).
Consider, in community yesterday an op ed writer solicited topics to write about...
And next week she will have to write a different piece about a different subject. And the week after that. And the week after that. With deadlines and writer's block and all that shit, and still, the words gotta be cranked out.
I was happy to see he spelled rappel correctly, that is a major advance over say this technically accurate site!
Reporters almost always write about shit they essentially know nothing about. Obviously the better ones do more research and fact checking than the lazy ones, but in the end, unless they are climbers (or fire fighter, or cops, or lawyers, or plumbers, or auto mechanics) they always get some basics flat out wrong.
DMT
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Apr 13, 2005, 3:58 PM
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Dingus, have you heard some of the nOObs, these days? It's scary, at my local crag.
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That was pretty funny, I think I'm gonna incorporate suction cups into my aid rack
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In reply to: OTOH, many people will consider rock climbing a sport - especially with misinformation flying aroun - not realizing how dangerous it is when taken lightly.
WHO??? Who are these 'many people and why aren't they dying oin droves?
I would expect to see the 'idiot dies climbing with Mom's clothesline' articles daily or some shit.
But guess what? That ain't happening. See, us sitting here at our computers its real easy to forget there are fundamental fears involved in rock climbing. Soon as you get about 10 feet up or some some fairly predictable processes begin.
Yes, there are idiot noobs out there. If you think exercising one shiity article from the human database will make an iota of difference, you are mistaken.
I submit that the influence you people ascribe to this article is WAY OVER ESTIMATED.
Cheers
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In reply to: Dingus, have you heard some of the nOObs, these days? It's scary, at my local crag. T
Some of the noobs these days huh? LOL.
DMT
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Edited because I type too slow, so my post was no longer relevant.
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Apr 13, 2005, 4:19 PM
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did anyone use his link for the rubber-soled climbing shoes under his equipment list?
you can pick your favorite climbing shoes from distributors like reebok, johnson and murphy, shoemall.com, and my favorite place payless shoe source. :roll:
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Hahahaaha.
Well, I just e-mailed the guy who wrote the article.
Will post any replies.
Steve,
Great to see a how to: rock climbing article!!! Being a new climber your words have given me new hope to conquer mountains with my church-group. Concerning suction-cups; I was wondering if you could forward any info. on where to get these cups you mentioned. We (the church-group) have a small assortment of suction-cups but would like to purchase larger ones. A few of our new members are a bit large (250+ pounds) and they will need larger suction-cups for the type of climbing we like to do.
Again great article!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Your friend,
Mark Senyk.
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I can rap 5.8!
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wow..that guy sure knows his stuff. That just makes me wonder how many articles I have read that are complete bullshit about a subject I know nothing about?
hmm... I wonder If I shouldn't be gargling with antifreeze???
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I don't see the article causing much harm; after all, you can go out and buy as much gear as you want, but you can't use it until you at least know how to put it all together -- even poorly -- to set up for a climb. And that's when any idiot who actually followed the advice in this article would realize that they needed more information. And if they don't, well......too bad for them.
Dingus: Small inaccuracies would be acceptable, but errors like the ones in this article are just inexcusable. You could throw out any random topic that I currently know nothing about, and I guarantee you that even I (a non-journalist) could write a more credible article on the subject given a few hours of Googling. This guy clearly plagiarized his information from the other article and should be embarrassed.
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I didn't think anything could be funnier than the ask the n00b thread, but this is at least a tie! :lol:
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It flat out frightens me that someone may actually look at this as sound advice.
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Just got a pair of the new Johnston and Murphy Rock Hogs last with. You know the ones with the built in rubber suction cups on the rubber soles. I rappeled some scary grade 6 stuff with them, then safety climbeb some plate glass like Spiderman.
The "Lifestyle Correspondent" Steve Richer has definately made a difference in my lifestyle.
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In reply to: Dingus: Small inaccuracies would be acceptable, but errors like the ones in this article are just inexcusable.
Like what? The suction cups? This very site advertises some verlcro bullshit climbing system. George Willig or Spiderman Dan or some other fool used suction cups to climb some big ass building. A few hours of googling will turn up all sorts of nonense. How is a non climber to know, when even the climbing sites advertise the bullshit???
In reply to: You could throw out any random topic that I currently know nothing about, and I guarantee you that even I (a non-journalist) could write a more credible article on the subject given a few hours of Googling.
I'm sure you could. That whole journalist thing is easy as pie anyway.
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In reply to: It flat out frightens me that someone may actually look at this as sound advice.
You are easily frightened then.
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BOO!
Ha ha!
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iamthewallress
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This is my favorite:
In reply to: Full-safety climbing: This is a lot like climbing a wall at the gym. You climb using existing grips while someone on the ground pulls on your rope to make it easier for you.
Climbing with a counterweight belay assist is now officially a 'style'!
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In reply to: In reply to: OTOH, many people will consider rock climbing a sport - especially with misinformation flying aroun - not realizing how dangerous it is when taken lightly. WHO??? Who are these 'many people and why aren't they dying oin droves? I would expect to see the 'idiot dies climbing with Mom's clothesline' articles daily or some s---. But guess what? That ain't happening. See, us sitting here at our computers its real easy to forget there are fundamental fears involved in rock climbing. Soon as you get about 10 feet up or some some fairly predictable processes begin. Yes, there are idiot noobs out there. If you think exercising one shiity article from the human database will make an iota of difference, you are mistaken. I submit that the influence you people ascribe to this article is WAY OVER ESTIMATED. Cheers DMT
In general, I agree with you Dingus, we shouldn't attach too much importance to one article, demanding that it be removed lest it unleash a horde of misinformed, dangers-to-themselves-and-all-around at the crags. But such people are out there, and articles like this certainly don't help the situation. I think part of the reason they aren't dying in droves is because they frequently encounter more experienced folks who are willing to tell them they're screwing up. Like the guy and his girlfriend my friend saw at the NRG a few years back--starting to climb what was probably a 60 foot route with 50 feet of deck line and a handful of biners (no draws, just biners), along with his completely unaware belayer girlfriend. Or the folks we saw up in Big Cottonwood Canyon this fall, similar situation of a guy apparently trying to impress the girl, trying to solo a 5.hard route to get to the top to put a toprope on another route, with non-climbing rope that probably wouldn't reach the ground and nothing to anchor it with. In each case, friends of mine stepped up and told them in no uncertain terms ("we don't want to be part of a rescue") what was wrong with what they were attempting to do.
I also have to add--you men are really in sad shape with those websites. MSN's women's site had an article a while back about climbing as a fitness option--the article has some issues, for sure, but overall I think it gives a better sense of what to expect, how to get involved, etc: http://women.msn.com/a458056.armx
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In reply to: I don't see the article causing much harm; after all, you can go out and buy as much gear as you want, but you can't use it until you at least know how to put it all together -- even poorly -- to set up for a climb. And that's when any idiot who actually followed the advice in this article would realize that they needed more information. And if they don't, well......too bad for them. Dingus: Small inaccuracies would be acceptable, but errors like the ones in this article are just inexcusable. You could throw out any random topic that I currently know nothing about, and I guarantee you that even I (a non-journalist) could write a more credible article on the subject given a few hours of Googling. This guy clearly plagiarized his information from the other article and should be embarrassed.
I got a good chuckle out of the article as well. It is pretty easy to write this off because we know so much about the sport. But I have to disagree with the bolded section above. One trip to the crag will prove that one only needs a rope to kill themselves when they have no background and knowledge about how to use it. If they have suction cups, who knows what will happen to them.
Thers is an advertisement on one of the websites about a magnetic wall. You wear magnets on hands and feet to climb. Maybe that would work better than suction cups???? depending on the amount of metal in the rock ??? :)
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In reply to: In reply to: OTOH, many people will consider rock climbing a sport - especially with misinformation flying aroun - not realizing how dangerous it is when taken lightly. WHO??? Who are these 'many people and why aren't they dying oin droves? I would expect to see the 'idiot dies climbing with Mom's clothesline' articles daily or some s---. But guess what? That ain't happening. See, us sitting here at our computers its real easy to forget there are fundamental fears involved in rock climbing. Soon as you get about 10 feet up or some some fairly predictable processes begin. Yes, there are idiot noobs out there. If you think exercising one shiity article from the human database will make an iota of difference, you are mistaken. I submit that the influence you people ascribe to this article is WAY OVER ESTIMATED.
Easy, man, remember your blood pressure. ;) You've taken my response out of context. I was merely saying that your joking assertation that people DO know they shouldn't fight fires without training, and DON'T know that they shouldn't rock climb without at least some training was not a joke.
I never said, nor do I believe, that an article like this will cause herds of n00b-lemmings to plummet from cliffs.
At least I'm pretty sure I never said it ;) I'll know when the quotes start showing up...
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In reply to: How is a non climber to know, when even the climbing sites advertise the s---???
Well, cross-checking his sources would have been a goog start. A simple Google search for "aid climbing" and "suction cups" returns pages on geckos, salamanders and a toy called the "Wild Climber Tree Frog Wall Climbing Robot".
True, there's a bunch of really bad information out there on the Internet, but I can't imagine it would have taken that much research before stumbling upon words like "sport climbing" and "trad climbing", or a thousand references to bouldering that would make it very clear that bouldering is not like hiking with obstacles. Even the first hit from a search for "rock climbing" and "types" is a nice little article from "HowStuffWorks" that would have made him question some of the content in his article.
In reply to: I'm sure you could. That whole journalist thing is easy as pie anyway.
*Real* journalism isn't easy. This isn't real journalism, though. He plagiarized a horrible article on climbing without even basic fact-checking and made himself look like an ass.
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In reply to: or a thousand references to bouldering that would make it very clear that bouldering is not like hiking with obstacles.
Um, how does one get from one boulder to the other? Is there some fundamental difference between the concept of a boulder problem and a boulder obstacle?
The whole hiking thing seemed right on to me... climbing DOES involve a lot of hiking.
Cheers
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suction cups for climbing kind of goes together. just like jerking off with sandpaper extra coarse
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So much DURRRRRRR so little time.
What a bunch of losers ye be.
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WOW...I didn't notice before, but this steve richer guy is a plethora of knowledge!!! Not only does he know how to go rock climbing, but he knows how to sell a screen play, hire a private investigator, get the boys together for poker night, start a rock band, read peoples faces, master gym ediquette, organize a camping trip, master french (in three pages no less) and go skydiving (now that is scary judging by his climbing article). I can't wait for his next article!!! :D
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The suction cups really are aid climbing devices...
Remember the French guy who used to climb skyscrapers using them and then always got arrested at the top? There you go: aid climbing with suction cups! Someone just doesn't see the difference between climbing rock and climbing glass :lol:
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In reply to: Um, how does one get from one boulder to the other? Is there some fundamental difference between the concept of a boulder problem and a boulder obstacle?
Class II vs. Class V --- That's a pretty big difference, no? For an article about rock climbing?
Anyway, I had fun jabbering about the article. It's too beautiful a day for me to be sitting inside, though, so I'm off to the park for some reading.
Peace!
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In reply to: Anyway, I had fun jabbering about the article. It's too beautiful a day for me to be sitting inside, though, so I'm off to the park for some reading. Peace!
Right on! Its good to disagree and banter without flames.
Cheers
DMT
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Here's a copy of the email I sent the guy... as amusing as this was to read, especially coming from the guido guy that wrote it, I felt it was my duty as an employee of a plaintiff personal injury law firm to relay the following:
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Dear Mr. Richer:
I read your article, intended to review the basics of rock climbing in the hopes of attracting new enthusiasts. With all due respect, Sir, your article is more likely to encourage Sylvester Stallone fans to attempt unsafe practices than to actually inform new climbers of anything that is true, relative to the sport.
First and foremost, rock climbing is extremely dangerous. The 2004 rock climbing chronology of accidents, for that year alone, contains over 500 incidents involving serious injury or death in North America, many of which were aided by a lack of knowledge. If you are going to try to encourage people, more specifically, men, as your column would suggest, then I would suggest looking into safety aspects of the sport prior to writing an article on the benefits of staying in shape by conquering a mountain.
Second, based on your descriptions of the various aspects of rock climbing, it is apparent that you have never taken an interest in the sport itself. That, I find to be a shame. You were correct in stating that it is an intense sport, and even if only practiced in a gym setting, it is a great way to be in shape, be social, etc. Also, it can help those with a fear of heights to conquer their fears. Perhaps you should try out the sport before recommending it in haste so as to make a deadline for your column.
Good luck in the future with your pursuit of journalistic integrity. Seriously.
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I was going to reply to this thread back when it was on page one but I couldn’t find the correct words. To me that article is not "dangerous". Anyone that is interested will seek other sources of information and very quickly find out that the pull the info out of someone else’s ass. However to me the article is VERY INSULTING. Here we have someone pretending to be promoting our sport and making a complete mockery of it. To me he is sending the message that "I don’t care enough about this to do the slightest bit of research... so I wont" Why would you write an article about a sport if you couldn’t give two shits about it. If he doesn’t like climbing then that’s fine. He can write an article about its dangers, and why it doesn’t appeal to him. However I take it as a slap in the face when he pretends to be something he isn’t, poses fake pictures, presents false information, steals other people "work" to do it, and makes a laughing stock of our sport to the ignorant public. BTW You are kicked out of school if you plagiarize someone else’s work. He should not go unpunished, especially because his career is based on his writings and not some stupid paper.
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In reply to: Here's a copy of the email I sent the guy... as amusing as this was to read, especially coming from the guido guy that wrote it, I felt it was my duty as an employee of a plaintiff personal injury law firm to relay the following
Honestly...I think that anyone with judgement so poor that they would endanger themself by trying to use the info in this article would probably get themself in just as much trouble if not more (b/c there would be so much more info to misunderstand!) with much respected how to's such as John Long's or TFOTH.
As for why people aren't dying in droves...Almost every time I climb at a crowded crag I leave asking myself that very question.
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I couldn't resist. I had to e-mail this twit. I really do have more important things to do today, but I couldn't fight the temptation. Here's what I sent him:
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Steve,
Please tell us that this article was meant to be a joke. There is very little in what you wrote that is accurate; some it is very outdated; and other parts are patently ridiculous. I have been climbing since the mid 70's, have taught climbing, and have been credited with several first ascents throughout California, and I have never see such a complete misrepresentation of what rock climbing involves as this article.
"... some experienced climbers pull out suction cups and similar tools to climb up." Suction cups? I don't know who told you that we use suctions cups when the going gets rough, but they were clearly having fun conning you into believing such a preposterous idea.
"The five most common knots used in climbing are: bowline, Dutch marine bowline, figure-of-eight, figure-of-nine, and the tape/water knot". Sorry, chief -- nobody ties a bowline any more, and they haven't in years.
"Bouldering: This method consists of climbing small boulders without any equipment. Basically, it's like hiking with some obstacles thrown in." Nonsense. Bouldering can, and usually does, involve working out incredibly difficult and strenuous moves on boulders that can be 20 feet or more in height. Your description is akin to describing a gran prix race as like driving to the grocery store, only faster.
"Class 6 is impossible to free climb. There are no natural grips and aid climbing is the only way to go." If you're going to write an article about climbing, you should at least do your research with materials written in the last 40 years. The term "class 6" hasn't been used since the early 60's.
"For many climbers, rappelling, although dangerous, is the most interesting aspect of rock climbing." Well, you got the dangerous part of it correct, but the latter? Not even close. Anybody who says rappelling is the most interesting part isn't a climber. Rapelling is, at best, a necessary evil.
"Use handholds at head level because raising your arms any higher can get exhausting." What lame-brain told you this? You reach for the holds that are available, whether they are head-height or barely within reach. Try applying this advice of yours on a like the Phoenix in Yosemite and see how far you get.
"Your footholds should be generously spaced; small steps seem more inviting but consume more energy." This is pretty comical. Nature decides where the holds are, not the climber.
"...it's only a matter of time before you can be like Sylvester Stallone in Cliffhanger. If anything, you'll be able to impress hotties like Charisma Carpenter, Ashley Judd, Evangeline Lilly, and Lucy Liu, who are into the sport." What this article written for 14 year-old boys?
And finally: "This article should not be considered a substitute for a full-day class with a reputable instructor, but it's the perfect place for you to be introduced to rock climbing." You're right about this being no substitute for competent instruction, but this article is about as far off the mark as you can get.
If you and/or your magazine want to publish a how-to-get-started article on rock climbing, having someone who actually does it would be a much better idea. This effort is so laughable that it's being derided on some of the more popular -- and credible -- climbing-related discussion forums on the web.
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In reply to: Stupid ppl in this world never cease to amaze me with their ignorance...
What amazes me is how many people missed school when they taught satire in lit class.
The site features:
Top 10: Bungee Jump Vacations
How To: Become A Secret Agent
How To: Have Proper Urban Etiquette
Mafia Lessons on Life & Power
Jessica's Hot, Brad Is Not
Face it- much of the AskMen site is a hoax and many of you were taken for a ride.
Perhaps you guys need to replace the batteries in your bullshit detectors. Test yourself on the following article.
http://objective.jesussave.us/propaganda.html
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Please tell me this article is a joke of some kind
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In reply to: Please tell me this article is a joke of some kind
Obviously.
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:lol: :lol: :lol:
I can't imagine being poor Steve when he next checks his email.
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j_ung, no kidding. I guess he shouldn't have written a shitty article. He probably would been okay if it hadn't been posted here...
Oh, heh, yea, I use a bowline most of the time too.
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In reply to: j_ung, no kidding. I guess he shouldn't have written a s--- article. He probably would been okay if it hadn't been posted here... Oh, heh, yea, I use a bowline most of the time too.
OK, I stand corrected -- apparently a few folks do use a bowline after all. Mea culpa.
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(Here's a little-known fact: you can strengthen your hand muscles by placing your hand in the middle of a piece of newspaper -- which is laid out on a tabletop -- and crumpling it into as small a ball as possible, using only your fingers.)
:D This works with a big pile of crap too! :D
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Steve... http://forums.offtopic.com/.../smilies/bowdown.gif
all of us here on rc.com are just not worthy. people are flaming you for being stupid, when in actuality they are just jealous. your article was simply superb, it beats freedom of the hills by a longshot. thanks.
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I like Steve,
Keep in mind, he is a proffessional writer. He found a site that wanted an article, he wrote the piece to match the audience, and the editors published it. I bet he got paid too. That makes him a proffessional writer, not neccesairely a journalist, so what if he knows nothing about climbing. He know how to earn a living in his craft.
With that said, I do wish he did better research.
I have to agree, the article won't do much harm. Most people who use the internet to such out climbing information and how to climb information normally end up at rockclimbing.com It's a good thing there's no bad information coming from the members of this site.
I also us a bowline.
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In reply to: Most people who use the internet to such out climbing information and how to climb information normally end up at rockclimbing.com It's a good thing there's no bad information coming from the members of this site.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
That's funny. Thanks for the laugh man.
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I gigled the whole way through :D
Hey there's a place in Rapid City SD called Hangmans Hill :lol:
Typical internet, take for what it is.
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Now I know how my teachers would feel when I would turn in an 8 page paper that only consisted of a quarter page of actual researched material.
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The thing that bothers me about this isn't the fact that its a pile of bullshit which some overweight, middle-age crisised men read; but that "Steve" got paid for completely and entirely ripping off another website. Now this isn't the "why dont I just copy and paste the information over and hope no one notices", or the "why dont I use this as part of my research" but in this article steve decided to find another badly written article, change a couple sentences, cut boring parts out and throw in some different analogies and submit it for money... Not only is that pathetic but its downright criminal.
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Full Safety climbing is quite a bit easier than No Safety climbing (where you tie in on lead and drag your counterweight belayer up behind you.)
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Dear Supposed Journalist,
Wow dude, that is a very presumptious article. You obviously know very little about climbing.
Suction Cups? Are you retarded? It's garbage like this, written by idiots like you, that gets people killed, and gives climbing a bad name. Full Saftey Climbing? Someone Pulling on the Rope? You have to be kidding me.
One piece of advice for you, Stick to your run-of-the-mill "Get better abs" articles, and leave "extreme" sports to those who actually take the time to learn them.
Actual Climber,
Dan Payne
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In reply to: Your footholds should be generously spaced; small steps seem more inviting but consume more energy.
sorry if someone already took this little tidbit and did a rant, but oh my god, I've never seen something so blatently wrong in my entire life. This is exactly the wrong advice to give, ESPECIALLY to beginners who don't understand that accurate footwork is one of the most important aspects of climbing. Okay, that's enough, just thought I'd share in the anger/laughter. Alright...mostly laughter. I love the public's naivete.
-Josh
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Anyone notice the date the article was written? I'm hoping this is a sad excuse of an April fool's joke and everyon'e being played. Surely, no one is THAT ignorant!!!!! Even Hollywood hasn't used suction cups!
Those damn boulders keep messing up my relaxing hike!
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I'm not entirely convinced of the legitimacy or illegitimacy of this article. The best I can figure is that either:
A) It is a terribly researched article (its not technically plagarism, as he did not copy the other web site verbatim and pass it off as his own, but its damn near close)
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B) He wrote it as a joke, but is a dreadfully untalented writer.
I personally think that its a little of column A, a little of column B. He "stole" someone else's misinformed article, and is a rather lackluster writer. If it is supposed to be a joke, he wasn't terribly successful in writing it that way.
Either way...it just will propogate natural selection.
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A buddy of mine used some toilet plungers to climb around the windows on
the outside of a ski lodge after a lot of beer at a staff party. Does that count as suction cups? :lol:
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Did any one actually try to crumple a piece of newspaper with ur fingers? I got a better work out typing this post.......
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In reply to: Theories on where he got his information? http://www.soyouwanna.com/...ockclimbingFULL.html Think he visited the one website and decided he could plaigiarize it for an article? -Joe Edit to make the link clicky. I thought it automagically did that. Guess not :)
he had to plagiatize that piece of crp????
would be better off if he just made some stuff up while sipping hes morning coffe.
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I first clicked on this thread and read the article a couple of days ago. I couldn't resist the urge to fire off a letter to the author -- it wasn't pretty, and I won't repost it here. I've had a couple of days to watch this unfold and play out, and I gotta tell ya -- I think we've been had.
I'm convinced that this Steve guy has propogated the world's greatest internet troll. Someone with an ax to grind with our website, and those of us with our myopic lil views and our self-righteous attitudes. He has master-minded the crown jewel of all internet hoaxes with this article. Who would do such a thing? Who would have the time, the intelligence, the persistence, and the bullheadedness to get a stooge at one of the internet tabloids to write a "bait" article about rock climbing?
There can be only one answer to that question. It is my theory that the one and only nefarious nemesis of RC.com is behind all of these shennanigans!!! This article was written by none other than....
DrKodos!!!
We've all been had, I tell you.
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Ed,
I swear I would be inclined to agree with you, but for the fact that the article was so clearly plagarized (sp?). Kodos was/is, if nothing else, original.
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In reply to: Ed, I swear I would be inclined to agree with you, but for the fact that the article was so clearly plagarized (sp?). Kodos was/is, if nothing else, original. |
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:shock:
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I've gone back through this article a few times and I'm becoming pretty convinced it's legit. It's consistent with the other articles; he listed his reference sources at the end; and the writing, as bad as it is (and it really is pretty terrible, let's face it), looks like a legitimate effort and not an attempt at a hoax or satire.
I think it's bad reporting written by a hack for an audience of 30 year-old 14-year-olds.
BTW, anyone who e-mailed him get a reply yet? I haven't.
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Nor I.
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In reply to: Surely, no one is THAT ignorant!!!!! Even Hollywood hasn't used suction cups! |
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I hope that Steve Richer doesn't write the sex tip article for askmen.com. Otherwise there's going to be alot of confused guys out there. :lol:
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Hah, I think a lot of us are plenty confused in that area without ol' Steve and his crazy talk.
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In reply to: I'm convinced that this Steve guy has propogated the world's greatest internet troll. Someone with an ax to grind with our website, and those of us with our myopic lil views and our self-righteous attitudes. He has master-minded the crown jewel of all internet hoaxes with this article. We've all been had, I tell you. Ed
Good theory Sherlock :lol:
I suppose he went out of his way to dupe all of the advertisers into advertising on the askmen site all in order to trick us.
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In reply to: In reply to: OTOH, many people will consider rock climbing a sport - especially with misinformation flying aroun - not realizing how dangerous it is when taken lightly. WHO??? Who are these 'many people and why aren't they dying oin droves? I would expect to see the 'idiot dies climbing with Mom's clothesline' articles daily or some s---. But guess what? That ain't happening.
It happens now and again. Years ago some kids tried to rappel into a cave in Austin with a garden hose. But I submit that they didn't learn how to do that by reading about it. People will come up with severely dangerous ways of doing things entirely on their own and without help from poor writers.
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The link to http://www.soyouwanna.com/site/syws/rockclimbing/rockclimbingFULL.html was provided by someone and wow... thats amazing
.. my mom hates climbing... and she knows she knows nothing bout it when i talk bout it but she could write an article more acurate then this... and english is her second language!....
alll in all i think we had a good laugh!.. very good laugh.... and a great THANKS to the author of this article keep it up.............
(cant make these links work...edited to get rid of the)
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WHAT THE HELL IS THIIIIIIIIIIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
In reply to: Belaying: This is not really a style but rather a technique that can be used in both free climbing and aid climbing. Two climbers hook up a rope between them and climb in succession, anchoring the cable along the way. This keeps you from falling all the way to the ground.
:shock: :shock: :shock:
That CAAAN be used!!!! How about MUUUST be used!!!!
Oh, and the explanation is BAD in soooo many ways...... dont even get me started!! :?
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In reply to: In reply to: Surely, no one is THAT ignorant!!!!! Even Hollywood hasn't used suction cups! I'll say this again since no one seems to have read my first post. That suction cup idea is from a crazed Frenchman (I think his name was Phillipe Petite or I may have him mixed up with someone else) who used to climb up the outside of skyscrapers using suction cups! He always got arrested and enjoyed the attention. Steve just can't get the difference between aid climbing on glass and aid climbing on rock :wink:
From:
http://www.answers.com/topic/alain-robert
In reply to: In 1981, "Spider Dan" Goodwin climbed the glass of the Sears Tower and the John Hancock Center in Chicago using suction cups.
From what I remember hearing, they had a three second release on them so he had to keep moving.
Alain Robert is another famous builderist (featured in the above link) who is arrested after pretty much every climb.
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I don't know if anyone noticed this, but check this out.
"Aid climbing: When the face of the mountain doesn't offer any more grips and holds, some experienced climbers pull out tools like hooks, nuts, camming devices, ascenders, hauling pulleys, aiders, and wall hammers to climb up. This is a very dangerous method."
I was disappointed that there was no change to the bouldering description. I didn't look over the article very good just now, but there may also be more changes that were made. I think our comments and hate mails affected our friend Steve enough to motivate him to do some editing. Way to be Steve, I am proud of you!
Mike
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In reply to: I don't know if anyone noticed this, but check this out. "Aid climbing: When the face of the mountain doesn't offer any more grips and holds, some experienced climbers pull out tools like hooks, nuts, camming devices, ascenders, hauling pulleys, aiders, and wall hammers to climb up. This is a very dangerous method."
Damn, that was the funniest part! I should have saved a copy of the original when I had the chance. :(
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excuse my language but: THIS GUY IS A TOTAL A@# i will psot all his blatant remarks l8ter
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In reply to: Before going on that climb, make sure you're fit, have the right equipment, and know how to get down.
Same could be said for "How To Go Night Clubing".
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I Have sent them this e-mail, and i think everyone else should send them one too.
"Being a climber myself, I would like to complain about your article, and offer some advice.
1. Bodybuilding is not necessary for rock climbing, nor is it necessary to be able to lift your own weight.
2. Hiking is not a large part of rock climbing, but there is usually a short walk to the base of a cliff.
3. It is good to be afraid of heights, as then you will be more determined not to fall.
4. Rock climbers do not climb mountains, mountain climbers do.
5. The dutch marine bowline and figure-of-nine are not accepted rock climbing knots.
6. Full safety climbing is actually called top-roping. The person on the ground is called a belayer, and does not pull on the rope to make it easier for you, they hold it using a friction creating belay device such as an atc or a grigri so that when you fall, you do not hit the ground.
7. Bouldering is really not hiking with obstacles. Bouldering is usually a climb with only a few moves, low to the ground, that are usually really hard.
8. You do not see free climbing in movies. If you think that a movie has good climbing advice, you should not be climbing.
9, Most of the best climbers in the world solo.
10. Belaying is the act of holding the rope for the other climber, weather you be top roping, sport climbing, aid climbing, trad climbing or ice climbing.
11. In addition to what you have listed for supplies, you also need a belay device, Helmut, about 50 feet of tubular webbing, and many other things .But you must also stress that you should not be using any of this gear without the training and supervision of an experienced climber.
12. Yosemite decimal system goes up to 5.15
13. You will not find good climbing locations in the yellow pages, as most of them are not businesses.
14. Rappelling is never safe and easy, no matter how much training you have. This is the part of the climb when most climbers get killed.
15. Raising your arms higher than your head is less exhausting, because than you can hang on straight arms, not using any of the muscles in your arms.
16. it is not always possible to have contact with the rock in three places.
17. small footsteps usually set you up for big footsteps.
18. If you climbed like Sylvester Stallone, you would be dead.
I please ask, and on behalf of rock climbers around the world, that you take this article offline before people get themselves hurt or killed.
--
Cam Tardi"
Their address is generalsports@askmen.com
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In reply to: My favourite quote is: "Bouldering: This method consists of climbing small boulders without any equipment. Basically, it's like hiking with some obstacles thrown in. " HAHAHA I fell of my chair when I read that..."like hiking with some obstacles thrown in"..
This sounds like a good definition to me. For one thing, it excludes gym climbing as bouldering. You see, I'm especially fond of exploratory bouldering. That means I like to go hiking in the hills, looking around for obstacles. When I find them, I try to complete them, like this:
http://www.rockclimbing.com/...p.cgi?Detailed=51252
After working on obstacles for awhile, I like to start hiking around again, looking for new obstacles.
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In reply to: In reply to: In 1981, "Spider Dan" Goodwin climbed the glass of the Sears Tower and the John Hancock Center in Chicago using suction cups. From what I remember hearing, they had a three second release on them so he had to keep moving. Alain Robert is another famous builderist (featured in the above link) who is arrested after pretty much every climb.
on sears he actually he used a small part (i really don't know how to describe it or another better word to use for it) which fit into the mullion tracks used by the suspended scaffold system. he had two of them allowing him to basiclly jug up the curtainwall mullions.
on hancock he used glass cups to rest every now and then (yes, glass cups would the alusive 'suction cups' we all want to have for aid climbing) but otherwise free climbed the building again using the i-beam shapped mullions which make a tieback for the scaffold system. i actually think the hancock would go about 5.8, though quite sustained.
fyi: to add substance to my opinion, i'm a building facade consultant in chicago and i've both spent time on the facades of these buildings and met people who were involved with the buildings at the time of the climbs. though i have no 'first hand' knowedge.
more fyi: you really could aid with some glass cups, they can support several hundred pounds, of course, only on glass. damn, i tried a quick search to show you the cups that commercial glazers use, but obviously typing "glass cup" into google yields a variety of results.
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In reply to: I Have sent them this e-mail, and i think everyone else should send them one too. "Being a climber myself, I would like to complain about your article, and offer some advice. 1. Bodybuilding is not necessary for rock climbing, nor is it necessary to be able to lift your own weight. 2. Hiking is not a large part of rock climbing, but there is usually a short walk to the base of a cliff. 3. It is good to be afraid of heights, as then you will be more determined not to fall. 4. Rock climbers do not climb mountains, mountain climbers do. 5. The dutch marine bowline and figure-of-nine are not accepted rock climbing knots. 6. Full safety climbing is actually called top-roping. The person on the ground is called a belayer, and does not pull on the rope to make it easier for you, they hold it using a friction creating belay device such as an atc or a grigri so that when you fall, you do not hit the ground. 7. Bouldering is really not hiking with obstacles. Bouldering is usually a climb with only a few moves, low to the ground, that are usually really hard. 8. You do not see free climbing in movies. If you think that a movie has good climbing advice, you should not be climbing. 9, Most of the best climbers in the world solo. 10. Belaying is the act of holding the rope for the other climber, weather you be top roping, sport climbing, aid climbing, trad climbing or ice climbing. 11. In addition to what you have listed for supplies, you also need a belay device, Helmut, about 50 feet of tubular webbing, and many other things .But you must also stress that you should not be using any of this gear without the training and supervision of an experienced climber. 12. Yosemite decimal system goes up to 5.15 13. You will not find good climbing locations in the yellow pages, as most of them are not businesses. 14. Rappelling is never safe and easy, no matter how much training you have. This is the part of the climb when most climbers get killed. 15. Raising your arms higher than your head is less exhausting, because than you can hang on straight arms, not using any of the muscles in your arms. 16. it is not always possible to have contact with the rock in three places. 17. small footsteps usually set you up for big footsteps. 18. If you climbed like Sylvester Stallone, you would be dead. I please ask, and on behalf of rock climbers around the world, that you take this article offline before people get themselves hurt or killed. -- Cam Tardi" Their address is generalsports@askmen.com
I think many folks would take exception to your first two comments.
Although true body building is not necessary, weekly workouts are essential to improving your climbing strength and stamina. There is a pictue of Bacher in this months issue of R&I showing him do chin-ups with weights strapped to his body. Sure looks like strength training to me.
Second, I believe "parking lot" climbing is more the norm now, but most avid climbers would prefer to find more remote locations to climb and thus would believe that hiking is an essential part of climber.
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Here is a copy of the email I sent ol' steve. I also wrote the publishers and told them to fire or take the money they gave steve.
You are what my climbing buddies would call a 'poser.'
That was the most ridiculous attempt at a rock climbing article I have ever read.
First of all, rock climbers do not try to impress anyone, we don't do it to look cool or to get girls. I'm sure you and the unsecure men who read your articles do activities for that reason, but real climbers don't. Second, what is 'full safety climbing'? And I have never even heard of pulling up the rope to make it easier! Third, bouldering is extremely difficult and is not hiking with obstacles. Forth, nobody buys all the gear you suggest--unless they want to impress people, and in that case they will only impress non-climbers. A climber would laugh at a newbie with all that gear they can't use for at least a few months. Fifth, climbing will get you in shape to climb, you don't need to start lifting for a month before you go to a gym. (Further, most climbers don't go to a gym unless they are forced to by bad schedules or weather, and then it is not to 'climb'--rather to stay in shape to climb outdoor). Sixth, I do not know a single climber who says that rapelling is their favorite part of climbing (you also contradicted yourself and said it was dangerous and safe). I could go on and on, but my all time favorite is using suction cups to aid climb.
I don't know where you got your information, and I don't know why you used the style of writing you used, but it didn't fit at all. I'm suprised you wrote it. Was it free lance? Or did they assign it to you? Furthermore, did you read internet articles or talk to real live people? Either way, there are thousands of climber that could have written a fine article, its not like we're marmots, you could have enlisted better help then you had. Sorry to be so blunt, I wouldn't have written if it was just bad writing. But it was aweful journalism that misrepresented the subject you wrote about. If it didn't injure the reputation and even safety of climbing I would have just laughed--but I felt it my obligation to warn you to stay out of subjects you have zero knowledge about.
In fact, on rockclimbing.com there is quite the forum enjoying your ignorance in your article, the link is http://rockclimbing.com/topic/86292
I hope you stay within your bounds and write about things you actually know about in the future--or at least research better before you write.
Good luck in future articles,
I have you bookmarked so I can read your next article
robert bradbury
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yeah, I should have specified 'for entertainment'
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In reply to: 9, Most of the best climbers in the world solo.
How do you know this?
In reply to: 11. In addition to what you have listed for supplies, you also need a belay device, Helmut, about 50 feet of tubular webbing, and many other things .
Who is Helmut, and why do I need him??? :lol:
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In reply to: In reply to: 11. In addition to what you have listed for supplies, you also need a belay device, Helmut, about 50 feet of tubular webbing, and many other things . Who is Helmut, and why do I need him??? :lol:
-Joe
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In reply to: 5. The dutch marine bowline and figure-of-nine are not accepted rock climbing knots.
Um, isn't that another name for the Yosemite backup?
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In reply to: In reply to: 5. The dutch marine bowline and figure-of-nine are not accepted rock climbing knots. Um, isn't that another name for the Yosemite backup?
-Joe
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In reply to: did anyone use his link for the rubber-soled climbing shoes under his equipment list? you can pick your favorite climbing shoes from distributors like reebok, johnson and murphy, shoemall.com, and my favorite place payless shoe source. :roll:
Sweet, I can buy rubber soled shoes to use climbing at Rockport!!!! Now I can go to that dance at the crag and still look dressy :D
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I have a question for everyone....If I do a dyno move, is Steve going to find out and scold me :?: :lol: I just don't think that I can keep 3 parts of my body on the rock at all times, I'm sorry :!:
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I think we should use the spell checker when we are writing to someone like that if we want him to take us seriously.
But does anyone here think that he is actually reading all these long e-mails detailing how dumb he is, much less paying attention to what they are saying to him? :roll:
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very funny stuff...
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In reply to: In reply to: 9, Most of the best climbers in the world solo. How do you know this? In reply to: 11. In addition to what you have listed for supplies, you also need a belay device, Helmut, about 50 feet of tubular webbing, and many other things . Who is Helmut, and why do I need him??? :lol:
9 - A good guess :wink:
11 - http://www.helmutlang.com/ (duh)
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OOO check it, I work on cars, and I know we got suction cups for pulling dents, we should use these!!! Damn i been doing it all wrong!
http://www.cvfsupplycompany.com/sucusucupdep3.html
Check it out, searching for suction cups i came across them and a "Monkey-on-a-stick" I wonder if the guy from AskMen thinks we should use that too.......I mean, monkeys climb well right?
http://jcsonlinetoolshed.com/section.php/737/0
This is almost as good as the time when Red Bull said thier man Ivan climbs "just .01 of a point below the worlds hardest difficulty" i.e. 5.14
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Rock climbing is incredibly dangerous. You need to be tremendously physically fit in order to stay alive -- blunt, but true
ok but I am fat and outof shape and yet i climb???? and i am still alive if you were wondering.
and that stallone coment at the end. no thank you i would rather free solo elcap than be like him in cliffhanger
i found this article disturbing at best
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oldfart
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Come on. All this overwrought "what a retard" rhetoric won't hide the truth: this is the future of our sport, and it's already arrived, brotha, ushered in by the climbing gym crowd and its very own brand of reprehensible yuppie trend freaks. The less required knowledge, the more accessible the sport, kind of like frisbee. The direction climbing will take in the next year or two will make for some funny fucking reading, not that it hasn't in the last 10.
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e_free
Apr 22, 2005, 11:46 AM
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I wrote an article to the author that was pretty short and sarcastic, and another to the editor that linked to the original article he plagerized asking for thm to discipline him, to take off that article, and to research and write a nre one, but mostly just to do SOMETHING so no one gets hurt "belaying" (in their terms). grrrrrr!!!!
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slacker607
Apr 24, 2005, 5:26 AM
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man do i love askmen.com, their information on rock climbing is even better then their advice on women!
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coldclimb
Apr 24, 2005, 8:03 AM
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This thread has given me a new idea for a photo. Thanks all!
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butterflyinthewilderness
Apr 24, 2005, 12:23 PM
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"Your legs and arms must be strong enough to lift your own weight and carry you to the top of the mountain."
It does help when you can walk yes.
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gearsighted
Apr 24, 2005, 1:10 PM
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In reply to: Whether you want to impress a girl, find a new hobby, or plan on someday climbing Mount Everest |
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lvclimbingbum
Apr 24, 2005, 3:22 PM
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I just emailed askmen.com about this article 8^) . Here's what I wrote.
In response to the article written by Steve Richer, named "How To: Go Rock Climbing How To: Go Rock Climbing," I'm writing to you. I (and we, the climbing community), find it very misinformational, and that if someone who has never taken lessons or has no knowledge what-so-ever of rockclimbing could be put in a very serious and possibly dangerous position.
Even though some of the info in the article is true, most of it is not; quote "This method consists of climbing small boulders without any equipment. Basically, it's like hiking with some obstacles thrown in." Again if someone who read some pieces in here and followed them, they could be injured. I appreciate that you wrote, "This article should not be considered a substitute for a full-day class with a reputable instructor, but it's the perfect place for you to be introduced to rock climbing," but you should check your info before posting something like this. Maybe somebody played a joke on Mr. Richer, but you need to check your info. Thanks.
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sanguineclimber
Apr 24, 2005, 4:04 PM
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In reply to: Finally, you need to master knot tying. The five most common knots used in climbing are: bowline, Dutch marine bowline, figure-of-eight, figure-of-nine, and the tape/water knot.
Is there really a figure-of-nine knot? Also, wtf is the dutch marine bowline? I've never heard of these :roll:
:lol: what a funny article. It makes me want to write bs like that and try to get it published.
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hex
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In reply to: In reply to: Finally, you need to master knot tying. The five most common knots used in climbing are: bowline, Dutch marine bowline, figure-of-eight, figure-of-nine, and the tape/water knot. Is there really a figure-of-nine knot? Also, wtf is the dutch marine bowline? I've never heard of these :roll: .
Just because you havent heard of them doesnt mean they don't exist, the "dutch marine bowline" is a varient of the normal bowline. The figure-9 knot is similar to a figure-8 but with an extra half turn before the follow through, hard to explain... try google
These defenitely aren't the five most common knots, well three common out of five...
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jt512
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In reply to: In reply to: I Have sent them this e-mail, and i think everyone else should send them one too. "Being a climber myself, I would like to complain about your article, and offer some advice. 1. Bodybuilding is not necessary for rock climbing, nor is it necessary to be able to lift your own weight. 2. Hiking is not a large part of rock climbing, but there is usually a short walk to the base of a cliff. 3. It is good to be afraid of heights, as then you will be more determined not to fall. 4. Rock climbers do not climb mountains, mountain climbers do. 5. The dutch marine bowline and figure-of-nine are not accepted rock climbing knots. 6. Full safety climbing is actually called top-roping. The person on the ground is called a belayer, and does not pull on the rope to make it easier for you, they hold it using a friction creating belay device such as an atc or a grigri so that when you fall, you do not hit the ground. 7. Bouldering is really not hiking with obstacles. Bouldering is usually a climb with only a few moves, low to the ground, that are usually really hard. 8. You do not see free climbing in movies. If you think that a movie has good climbing advice, you should not be climbing. 9, Most of the best climbers in the world solo. 10. Belaying is the act of holding the rope for the other climber, weather you be top roping, sport climbing, aid climbing, trad climbing or ice climbing. 11. In addition to what you have listed for supplies, you also need a belay device, Helmut, about 50 feet of tubular webbing, and many other things .But you must also stress that you should not be using any of this gear without the training and supervision of an experienced climber. 12. Yosemite decimal system goes up to 5.15 13. You will not find good climbing locations in the yellow pages, as most of them are not businesses. 14. Rappelling is never safe and easy, no matter how much training you have. This is the part of the climb when most climbers get killed. 15. Raising your arms higher than your head is less exhausting, because than you can hang on straight arms, not using any of the muscles in your arms. 16. it is not always possible to have contact with the rock in three places. 17. small footsteps usually set you up for big footsteps. 18. If you climbed like Sylvester Stallone, you would be dead. I please ask, and on behalf of rock climbers around the world, that you take this article offline before people get themselves hurt or killed. -- Cam Tardi" Their address is generalsports@askmen.com I think many folks would take exception to your first two comments. Although true body building is not necessary, weekly workouts are essential to improving your climbing strength and stamina.
Dude, try and follow along with what sport physiologists and kinesiologists have learned in the last 100 years or so about training. Ctardi is right and you are wrong. Bodybuilding is not only unnecessary for climbing, but it is undesirable, as it is utterly non-climbing-specific. Weekly workouts pumping iron will do little to improve your climbing "strength and stamina."
In reply to: There is a pictue of Bacher in this months issue of R&I showing him do chin-ups with weights strapped to his body. Sure looks like strength training to me.
What year is that picture from, and why do you think Bachar really knew much of anything about effective and efficient training for climbing. Know any top climbers who train on a Bachar ladder these days?
Now if you want to take issue with one of ctardi's points, try the one about needing 50 feet of tubular webbing.
-Jay
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jt512
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In reply to: In reply to: j_ung, no kidding. I guess he shouldn't have written a s--- article. He probably would been okay if it hadn't been posted here... Oh, heh, yea, I use a bowline most of the time too. OK, I stand corrected -- apparently a few folks do use a bowline after all. Mea culpa.
Yeah, like everyone in Europe, and plenty of people in North America, too (including me).
-Jay
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Apr 24, 2005, 7:07 PM
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HA HAA! The joke is on Steve!! I don't get my climbing information from him, I go straight to Ask the NOOB! NOOB.. yeah he ain't no boob!
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brokenarmboy19
May 14, 2005, 8:32 AM
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Yes i just got my new belay slave and suction cups to put on my rack
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clmbr121
May 17, 2005, 10:16 PM
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OK, now that's just funny!
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slablizard
May 17, 2005, 10:36 PM
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LOL!
BEst post ever!
Did anybody got a response email? Please post it! lol!!!!
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soonerlover49
Nov 13, 2005, 4:01 AM
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You can?! Haha..well, cool you go to OU I assume....I am going to send you a message now..
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Nov 14, 2005, 2:22 AM
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Perhaps the funniest topic ever was made a lot more humorous by its resurrection after 5 months with this post:
In reply to: You can?! Haha..well, cool you go to OU I assume....I am going to send you a message now..
i am just so confused
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johnwesely
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Sorry about reviving this thread. I decided that I was in need of a good laugh, so I read the askmen.com climbing article because it is such a crowd pleaser. I discovered, much to my horror, that they changed the article and removed most, if not all, of the good stuff. what a sad day. I blame all the people who wrote the editor.
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colatownkid
Nov 22, 2009, 12:23 AM
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johnwesely wrote: Sorry about reviving this thread. I decided that I was in need of a good laugh, so I read the askmen.com climbing article because it is such a crowd pleaser. I discovered, much to my horror, that they changed the article and removed most, if not all, of the good stuff. what a sad day. I blame all the people who wrote the editor.
Indeed they did. But they left this gem:
"Translation: If you get into climbing, you are likely to meet many hard-bodied members of the opposite sex."
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