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enlighten me - who dat? I ve been looking for new music lately thanks
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Velvet Underground really isn't punk, as they're more Avante Garde... But yea, Lou Reed is fantastic! There are so many great punk bands that changed the cultural tides forever. I would however have to place The Clash towards to top of the list, just above The Ramones.
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What's a Vermont Yankee Pharmboy doing quoting Roger Clyne? JeeZus, the next thing you know Y'all will be sportin' a pair of lizard boots and prancin' around like ya' just met Honkytonk Sue. http://image.milehighcomics.com/...ze/40765932435.4.GIF Are you the guy referenced on the bottom left?
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I wouldn't consider the Dead Milkmen as full-on Punk, although they were a very fun band. I saw them they day they signed their first record deal, when they played a private backyard party at Purdue. In fact, there is actually a picture of me on their website. ;) Black Flag Dead Kennedy's Husker Du Sex Pistols etc. There are so many different elements to punk, that it's hard to categorize them. Blondie/Deborah Harry was considered punk by mainstream standards, as was Generation X/Billy Idol and Devo... Devo would clearly be the closest, but if they are being lumped in, then you would have to add the Talking Heads and probably even Oingo Boingo, just due to the similarities. Hell, Adam Ant was considered punk just by appearances alone. I grew up around Purdue, where there was a huge underground culture. Punk isn't so much a form of music, as it is a lifestyle, or even a movement... Thus I selected 'The Clash' as being towards to top of my list, as they were pretty outspoken leaders in regards to anarchy. Also, to even mention the Velvet Underground without giving due consideration to David Bowie is a sin in its own right. Then we have Bryan Eno, whose gone on to do some amazing solo stuff, yet we never hear about him. :?
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Dead Kennedys, Black Flag, No Means No, The Clash, GBH, The Exploited, Bad Brains, DOA,The Melvins, and of course The Ramones, The New York Dolls and The Stooges. These are some of my favorites, but I have left a whole lot out.
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London Calling by the Clash is my absolute favorite album. But can't forget about the Buzzcocks, and all those on the NY scene like the New York Dolls and Richard Hell and the Voidoids.
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These are some of what I have, just off the top of my head... Clash - London Calling & Combat Rock Lou Reed - Animal Velvet Underground w/ Nico Bryan Eno - Which Way Up Bowie - Jiggy Stardust & Space Odditity Oingo Boingo - Skeletons In The Closet, Dead Mans Party & Dark At The End of the Tunnel Deborah Harry/Blondie - everything ever released Talking Heads - everything ever released Adam Ant - Antics In The Forbidden Zone
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Johnny Thunders and the Heartbreakers. Probably my second fav after the Clash.
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Descendents, Adolescents, TSOL, SNFU, Minor Threat, MDC, have to be in there too.
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Tgreene.... you are a walking, typing punk encyclopedia! :lol: Tdad.... My pillow may be in hicksville New England, but my heart is in the desert. The Peacemakers are my gospel... We're flying out for the next Cicus Mexicus in May... New Jersey and Philly in March and New York in April... 8^)
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I often find myself singing this song by the Vandals to help me cope with the stupid crap that people do to eachother in this world: People That Are Going To Hell Lyrics Some people are bad and they don't give a damn what they do or who they hurt they go through their lives and don't apologize for the shit that they've disturbed but they don't bother me at all cuz i know quite well- when they're lives are over and they're done what they've done they're the people that are going to hell some beat their wives or pull out a knife and stab a person or 2 or 3 with no repercussions and no one here can touch them and they get away scott free but that's not the case you see and i'm glad to tell. when their lives are over and they've done what they've done they're the people that are goin to hell. they will spend eternity cursing all they've done faced with karma consequence and nowhere left to run they will be in agony until the end of time cuz they were such assholes while alive so try and be nice and to do what's right cuz there will come a day when you're faced with your maker and no one here can save you no matter what they say and be glad that you were good cuz some don't do so well and when their lives are over and they've done what they've done they're the people that are going to hell
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In reply to: These are some of what I have, just off the top of my head... Clash - London Calling & Combat Rock Lou Reed - Animal Velvet Underground w/ Nico Bryan Eno - Which Way Up Bowie - Jiggy Stardust & Space Odditity Oingo Boingo - Skeletons In The Closet, Dead Mans Party & Dark At The End of the Tunnel Deborah Harry/Blondie - everything ever released Talking Heads - everything ever released Adam Ant - Antics In The Forbidden Zone our collections? Clash, almost everything released, Oingo Boingo - almost everything there too.. Do you have Only a Lad? Bowie - most of his older stuff, up to Earthling Monks - Bad Habits Dead Kennedys - most of their stuff Talking Heads - same Operation Ivy various other Mind you, having my then two year old daughter belt out the Beatles 'Why don't we do it in the road!!' made me a little more selective about what I listened to in my kids' presence. :shock:
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In reply to: Tgreene.... you are a walking, typing punk encyclopedia! :Lil: As a teenager, I found my place within the subculture, even though my primary musical interests were and still are rooted in Disco. The thing about punk, is that there is a place for every social misfit , free thinker and artist... Being that I fell into all 3 categories, I truly conformed to the ultimate standards of non-conformists. I was also the first guy in the history of my high school to pierce my ears, because guys simply didn't do that shit back then! :shock:
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I can't believe I forgot to mention the Kinks... I have 'UK Jive' and 'Come Dancing'.
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most of my favorites have been said already...especially Minor Threat and Descendents. everyone should check out AVAIL as well. excellent raw anthem hardcore.
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In reply to: The song " Only A Lad" is on Skeletons In The Closet... I wasn't aware that was an album by that title... As far as I know, there are only the 3 that I listed. Dark At The End Of The Tunnel was a pretty eclectic release, as it's more along the lines of the Twin Peaks soundtrack. 8^) Oingo Boingo Albums: Skeletons In The Closet Nothing To Fear Elfman's So-Lo Dead Man's Party Boi-Ngo Only a Lad..they do a rather funky cover of 'You really got me' Good For Your Soul Boingo Alive 1 & 2 Dark at the End of the Tunnel.. I agree with you there. they got all maudlin on this one Farewell Jeez. now I feel like a borderline-gothy teenager again. :roll:
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In reply to: David Bowie is a sin in its own right.:? Right
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tgreene
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Wow... Although I have to wonder how repitious they are, since it appears may of the cover titles are featured songs in the 3 albums that I have.
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In reply to: In reply to: David Bowie is a sin in its own right.:? Right You're not a Bowie fan..? :shock:
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No :roll:
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while I love The Clash (old) and Rancid (now), Fishbone, Chilli Peppers and fIREHOSE are my generation. Fishbone was the best. Their first albums were magical.
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In reply to: Wow... Although I have to wonder how repitious they are, since it appears may of the cover titles are featured songs in the 3 albums that I have. well, Skeletons is a 'best of' Album.. but it looks like he took some of these songs as an album title and filled the rest of the space with mostly original stuff. What songs are repeated through the albums are always radically different from its earlier version. I think they enjoyed adapting the songs to new styles. I kind of thought of Boingo as a new age/ska type band, having such a huge horn section & all.. but the lyrics are frequently very punk in tone. When I'm in the mood for punk, I tend to go listen to Combat Rock.
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When he dropped to just being BOINGO, I quit listening.. :?
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How wrong were you? So far the discussion has poured into its third page. I never really cared for punk. It always seemed a little ghey. I was always a metal fan growing up. Long live the Phantom Lord.
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In reply to: How wrong were you? So far the discussion has poured into its third page. I never really cared for punk. It always seemed a little ghey. I was always a metal fan growing up. Long live the Phantom Lord. Don't forget that punks were doing it hard and heavy when bands like Pantera were still wearing spandex with teased up hair, now some of those motherfuckers were effeminate. I like metal too though.
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In reply to: In reply to: When I'm in the mood for punk, I tend to go listen to Combat Rock. 'Straight To Hell' is my favorite cut, followed by 'Should I Stay or Should I Go'. I'm particular to 'Sean Flynn', but 'Straight to hell' has to rank up there for me too. I think I've heard 'Should I stay or should I go' too often. The stations around here play that one all the time.
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awww this thread takes me back to my highschool days :) Tgreene, just another reason I think you're swell (re: band selections and openness to all kinds of music that is 'punk') I still love Social D :) And good ol Henry Rollins, although some may not consider punk rock hehehhe blk
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Whoa... My iTunes just decided to play Big Audio Dynamite. Talk about shades of Joe Strummer...
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The second dude from the right looks like he's about to jack off the dude on the far right. And what's up with the second guy from the left. Twisted Sister was not a metal band. They were a big hair band. The difference is important to understand.
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In reply to: still curious as to who that is - i want my hardcore kick back yuppicide
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In reply to: Twisted Sister was not a metal band. They were a big hair band. The difference is important to understand. Get WILD WILD WILD!!! Ahhh.... poodle rock.... Ramones, Social Distortion, Black Flag, Dead Kennedys, Alice in Chains, Sex Pistols, as far as old stuff goes. Distillers are awesome, but I think I like the Offspring more.
In reply to: Don't forget that punks were doing it hard and heavy when bands like Pantera were still wearing spandex with teased up hair, now some of those f--- were effeminate. I like metal too though. Master of Puppets came out 25 years ago (26 this year), back when Metallica was playing decent music, and it`s fecking classic metal.
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wow 3 pages in and someone fianlly made mention of Mike Ness and the Boys and squamistress bringing out the Monks...the memories...lol my favorites though: http://www.philaarts.com/...on2191995charlie.jpg granted there are a few exceptions to Bad Religion's albums, but for the most part i just absolutely love thier music. Furnaceface, fun band Society's No Fucking Use, great band wikkid live too, good old skool I'm going to go break out the old vinyl and remember the old days thanks for the thread
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Fishbone punk? Maybe proto ska..... Love 'em none the less.
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Wow. As BLK said this thread really takes me back. So many of my favs arleady mentioned: Corosion of Conformity Suicidal Tendencies Black Flag Husker Du (probably my all time favorite) 7 Seconds Meat Puppets ....so many..... d.
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Crom.. where did this thing go so wrong? Oingo Boingo, Alice in Chains, Brian Eno, Talking Heads..? Christ on a crutch happily hobbling through hell. If you can even list those bands in this thread you wouldn't know what punk was if it spit on you, jumped off the stage, dry humped your sister and layed a size 10 upside your mullet holder. Damn, you people are aging poorly.
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Now lest we forget My chemical romance and simple plan :roll:
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two additions... drop kick murphys niet oh, and no means no had played in celje about half a year ago. great show.
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Punk has been around long enough that you can't talk about it without splitting into MORE genres. its like asking about rock. what kind? blues?metal?southern? hard? soft? acid? PUNK? goes on and on.. as for me? old stuff: Ramones Clash Cramps Business Older stuff (I dunno what else to call this!) Bad religion Social Distortion Agent Orange Samhain/ Misfits Black Flag NOFX Newer stuff: Casualties Rancid Distillers Dropkick Murphy's Briggs- KICK ASS Stuff Bouncing Souls Swinging Utters
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In reply to: Now lest we forget My chemical romance and simple plan :roll: If only we could.... mcr actually does have a couple decent tracks
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In reply to: Punk has been around long enough that you can't talk about it without splitting into MORE genres. its like asking about rock. what kind? blues?metal?southern? hard? soft? acid? PUNK? goes on and on.. as for me? old stuff: Ramones Clash Cramps Business Older stuff (I dunno what else to call this!) Bad religion Social Distortion Agent Orange Samhain/ Misfits Black Flag NOFX Newer stuff: Casualties Rancid Distillers Dropkick Murphy's Briggs- KICK ASS Stuff Bouncing Souls Swinging Utters good list. for my taste, i'd take off Black Flag and Ramones (for whatever reason, I don't mind their stuff but I don't like it that much) and add Crass (Penis Envy, specifically) to the old stuff and Good Riddance to the newer stuff. And I guess I'd take the Cramps off, since I've never actually heard them. edit: throw Cock Sparrer, Dead Kennedys, and Flogging Molly in there as well.
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GAD I can't believe i forgot Dayglo Abortions and Screaching Weasel OLD killing Joke I could go on and on, but I'm going to listen to some tunes
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don't know if anyone has mentioned snfu buzzcocks 999 deja voodoo
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ah Dayglo Abortions! brings back some good memories there Snoopy, I figured I was gonna forget some stuff. DK, definately. I LOVE Flogging Molly although I don't consider them a punk band
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Joy Division Choking Victim Crass Minor Threat DOA Operation Ivy NOFX Satanic Surfers L7 (Donita Sparks was punk as all fuck) Agnostic Front Black Flag Antiflag White Flag Pennywise Buzzcocks Dead Kennedys Voodoo Glow Skulls Face to Face Sick of it All No Use For A Name The Misfits Wizo Propagandhi Face to Face Guttermouth The Vandals The Queers Fugazi Me First and the Gimme Gimmes
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OP IVY, Dead Kennedys, Sex Pistols, Rancid.
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fiend wrote: Joy Division Choking Victim Crass Minor Threat DOA Operation Ivy NOFX Satanic Surfers L7 (Donita Sparks was punk as all fuck) Agnostic Front Black Flag Antiflag White Flag Pennywise Buzzcocks Dead Kennedys Voodoo Glow Skulls Face to Face Sick of it All No Use For A Name The Misfits Wizo Propagandhi Face to Face Guttermouth The Vandals The Queers Fugazi Me First and the Gimme Gimmes Thread ressurect much?
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krillen wrote: Thread ressurect much? This is as good a topic as I've seen on here in while. Some noteworthy's have been mentioned so far but I must add: Agnostic Front Demise Warzone Madball H20 Murphy's Law Gorilla Biscuits Silent Majority Subzero and, while they weren't around for long, Mouthpiece.
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How 'bout SUBLIME and DROPKICK MURPHYs
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No means No.
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bizarrodrinker wrote: How 'bout SUBLIME and DROPKICK MURPHYs I think the problem with this thread (discussed somewhat in prior posts) is the lack of specificity regarding the various genres of punk rock. I would therefore propose some various broad based categories and I will include some suggestions of the best bands discussed in this thread in those categories: Traditional Punk Rock Minor Threat Honorable Mention to Black Flag, the Dead Kennedy’s and Social D Pop Punk The Queers (not my personal favorite, but I was dragged to see them play maybe 30 or 40 times). Honorable Mention to Screaching Weasel Ska Operation Ivy/Rancid (Though not mentioned in this thread thus far, the Scoflaws and Let’s Going Bowling should be mentioned here and I suspect that if there was a specific ska category they would have been). (I hate ska BTW). Socially Conscious Punk Bad Religion (Honorable Mention to Propoghandi except they are Canadian. Come on, I mean what is there to complain about in Canada…) Hardcore Agnostic Front (Honorable mention to Subzero since they have been around since the beginning and still play). (Non-NY bands that are mentionable on this thread: Good Riddance and Avail). Punk Rock For Irish People Who Like To Sing About Being Irish and Their Irishness and Fighting and Drinking Dropkick Murpheys Mainstream “Hot Topic” Ska-like Poppy Punk Sublime (311 should be here as well) Mainstream Teeny Bop “I hate you mom and dad and because of that I painted my fingernails black” Punk-Like Bands My Chemical Romance I Want People to Like Me Because I Am Popular Punk-Like Bands Henry Rollins Band (Honorable Mention to the Offspring)
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I forgot a catagory: I Am Not Sure What Punk Rock Is But Alice In Chains Rocks Alice In Chains Honorable Mention to David Bowie
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jgloporto wrote: Mainstream “Hot Topic” Ska-like Poppy Punk Sublime (311 should be here as well) ) 311 is not punk at all. They are more like Hip-hop Reggae. Definitely not punk though. Sublime is Punk Reggae. Maybe ska-punk.
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bizarrodrinker wrote: jgloporto wrote: Mainstream “Hot Topic” Ska-like Poppy Punk Sublime (311 should be here as well) ) 311 is not punk at all. They are more like Hip-hop Reggae. Definitely not punk though. Sublime is Punk Reggae. Maybe ska-punk. No. It's definitely Mainstream Ska punk-like. I'll call it skalunk. I am pretty sure that 311 is skalunk as well.
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Since when is Minor Threat not hardcore? They may not have as "heavy" a sound as AF, but they definitely played a huge role in the hardcore movement. I'd push both of your "traditional punk rock" bands out of that category and into hardcore. If you're calling Minor Threat and Black Flag "traditional", are you just pretending the 70's never existed? For traditional punk, I'd start opening it up to the Brits -- Clash, Sex Pistols, etc. A couple other categories: Oi! The Business. Cock Sparrer. American bands like the Street Dogs. Horror Punk Misfits No idea what it is, but it's definitely punk rock and kicks fucking ass The Exploited. Brit hardcore? Not sure how to define their sound.
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I can't believe 3 pages have gone by and not one mention of G.G. Allin. You guys suck. I also can't believe that someone had the audacity to mention The Offspring in a thread about punk. ...riiiiiight. Although they're not punk, Op Ivy kicks ass.
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jgloporto wrote: bizarrodrinker wrote: jgloporto wrote: Mainstream “Hot Topic” Ska-like Poppy Punk Sublime (311 should be here as well) ) 311 is not punk at all. They are more like Hip-hop Reggae. Definitely not punk though. Sublime is Punk Reggae. Maybe ska-punk. No. It's definitely Mainstream Ska punk-like. I'll call it skalunk. I am pretty sure that 311 is skalunk as well. 311 is one of my long time favorite bands, and I am just saying that I personally wouldn't consider them to be a punk bank. I think you would be hard pressed to find any real fan that would. but I could be wrong. They always seemed to refer to themselves as a hip-hop reggae band. I kind of agree that sublime is ska-esque but it they definitely had reggae influence as well.
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snoopy138 wrote: Since when is Minor Threat not hardcore? They may not have as "heavy" a sound as AF, but they definitely played a huge role in the hardcore movement. I'd push both of your "traditional punk rock" bands out of that category and into hardcore. If you're calling Minor Threat and Black Flag "traditional", are you just pretending the 70's never existed? The 70's were the early years. The distinct genres of punk did not exist then and we are kind of retroactively grouping bands if we go back that far. Minor Threat is hardcore because they shaved their heads? Pioneers, yes, but hard to put them in a genre when the genre barely existed at that point and the band only existed for less than 3 years. NYC Hardcore kind of went in its own direction anyway so its difficuly to include Warzone, AF and Minor Threat in the same catagory. I don't entirely disagree with you though. Perhaps further subdivision is necessary: Hardcore: Minor Threat (old school), Black Flag (old school), Avail (next generation), AFI (both old school and next generation oddly), Lifetime (next generation) NYC Style Hardcore (Not necessarily limited to NYC bands, e.g Detroit) AF, Negative Approach, Warzone, Cold As Life, Silent Majority While I am not a fan, we should probably then have an Emo catogory since that is also derived from the same 70's punk rock roots. Embrace was an early emo band and formed by Ian MacKaye from Minor Threat. I would put Texas Is The Reason as best in that class with Embrace getting honorable mention.
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bizarrodrinker wrote: I kind of agree that sublime is ska-esque but it they definitely had reggae influence as well. Ska preceeded reggae with reggae basically evolving from ska. Ska punk evolved from that so reggae and ska are tough to separate into different catagories.
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jgloporto wrote: snoopy138 wrote: Since when is Minor Threat not hardcore? They may not have as "heavy" a sound as AF, but they definitely played a huge role in the hardcore movement. I'd push both of your "traditional punk rock" bands out of that category and into hardcore. If you're calling Minor Threat and Black Flag "traditional", are you just pretending the 70's never existed? The 70's were the early years. The distinct genres of punk did not exist then and we are kind of retroactively grouping bands if we go back that far. Minor Threat is hardcore because they shaved their heads? Pioneers, yes, but hard to put them in a genre when the genre barely existed at that point and the band only existed for less than 3 years. Well, that's why I'd call the stuff from 70's traditional punk rock. Minor Threat isn't hardcore because they shaved their heads, they're hardcore because they were a huge influence in the hardcore scene. Out of curiousity, have you seen the documentary "American Hardcore"? Very interesting ... though you might see it as giving short shrift to the NYC scene as it focuses the most on the earlier (DC, LA) scenes.
jgloporto wrote: While I am not a fan, we should probably then have an Emo catogory since that is also derived from the same 70's punk rock roots. Embrace was an early emo band and formed by Ian MacKaye from Minor Threat. I would put Texas Is The Reason as best in that class with Embrace getting honorable mention. Never heard of Texas is the Reason, but I assume they took the name from the Misfits lyric? Lastly, I'd like to propose another category: Thrash metal band paying homage to hardcore with kickass cover album Slayer -- Undisputed Attitude. Kind of weird hearing Minor Threat songs that were produced in a studio.
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1) I've always been curious, but I did not see the movie on that basis. I mean, the list of hardcore bands that debuted at CBGB's alone is ten times longer than all the bands to come out DC and LA combined (no offense). If we include Long Island and North Jersey in that NYCHC catagory, that's probably 90% of all the hardcore music ever made. 2) Texas is the Reason is based on the lyrics to "Bullet." 3) Thrash/Death Core homages to hardcore does in deed kick ass. I hate to say it, but I kind of like Slayer in general. There should in fact be another catagory: Hardcore Music, That, While Recorded In A Studio Is Still Pretty Good Even Though I Probably Have Called Them Sell-Outs on Several Occassions Sick of It All Honorable Mention to Biohazard
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jgloporto wrote: 1) I've always been curious, but I did not see the movie on that basis. I mean, the list of hardcore bands that debuted at CBGB's alone is ten times longer than all the bands to come out DC and LA combined (no offense). If we include Long Island and North Jersey in that NYCHC catagory, that's probably 90% of all the hardcore music ever made. You should see it. I think the reason it tends to give short shrift to NYC is because it focuses a lot on the formation of the hardcore scene and its fairly short-lived existence in most places. NYC seems to be the anomaly -- started late, but stuck around. If the NYC bands got to debut at CBGB's, sounds like they had it easy ... the documentary has some great footage of the early hardcore "shows" that were organized in a day or two and would take place at whatever abandoned building could be found.
jgloporto wrote: 3) Thrash/Death Core homages to hardcore does in deed kick ass. I hate to say it, but I kind of like Slayer in general. Slayer is good. But I like a lot of metal, as well as various "indie" (for lack of a better term) bands that you'd probably refer to as pussy music.
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snoopy138 wrote: You should see it. I think the reason it tends to give short shrift to NYC is because it focuses a lot on the formation of the hardcore scene and its fairly short-lived existence in most places. NYC seems to be the anomaly -- started late, but stuck around. If the NYC bands got to debut at CBGB's, sounds like they had it easy ... the documentary has some great footage of the early hardcore "shows" that were organized in a day or two and would take place at whatever abandoned building could be found. In it's early days, CBGB's was a lot like that. It was always a Sunday matinee. They'd sort out the bands that were playing Friday and $4 or $5 at the door on Sunday would get you in. By the late 90's, it was a mecca. I almost stopped going the first time I saw tickets on sale in advance. Maybe I will check it out. I am a little older now and less of a purist.
snoopy138 wrote: Slayer is good. But I like a lot of metal, as well as various "indie" (for lack of a better term) bands that you'd probably refer to as pussy music. Maybe not. I've listened to a lot of music, but I spent a lot of my life at CBGB's and Coney Island High and the Wetlands and slumming around on St. Mark's Place so that's definitely what I listened to the most but I've run the gambit.
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jgloporto wrote: bizarrodrinker wrote: I kind of agree that sublime is ska-esque but it they definitely had reggae influence as well. Ska preceeded reggae with reggae basically evolving from ska. Ska punk evolved from that so reggae and ska are tough to separate into different catagories. you say this, but say this too: Ska Operation Ivy/Rancid (Though not mentioned in this thread thus far, the Scoflaws and Let’s Going Bowling should be mentioned here and I suspect that if there was a specific ska category they would have been). (I hate ska BTW). I would NEVER call Op Ivy or Rancid a ska band. Sure they have some influence, even put out a few songs insprired by it but they were/ are Punk bands.
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anykineclimb wrote: I would NEVER call Op Ivy or Rancid a ska band. Sure they have some influence, even put out a few songs insprired by it but they were/ are Punk bands. A message to you Rudy: Op Ivy is the definition of 2 Tone Ska Punk. I think if you looked up Ska Punk in Websters you'd see a picture of Tim Armstrong, checkered tights, hat, braces, doc martins and all... maybe I just omitted the "punk" part of "ska punk" because clearly we are not talking about true ska which is mostly carribean music from the 50's. Here is a rule of thumb, if you see black and white themed images and hear horns, it's ska related. Now, I was basing my list on the bands named in this thread. This catagory should include such names as the Clash and the Specials.
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jgloporto wrote: anykineclimb wrote: I would NEVER call Op Ivy or Rancid a ska band. Sure they have some influence, even put out a few songs insprired by it but they were/ are Punk bands. A message to you Rudy: Op Ivy is the definition of 2 Tone Ska Punk. I think if you looked up Ska Punk in Websters you'd see a picture of Tim Armstrong, checkered tights, hat, braces, doc martins and all... maybe I just omitted the "punk" part of "ska punk" because clearly we are not talking about true ska which is mostly carribean music from the 50's. Here is a rule of thumb, if you see black and white themed images and hear horns, it's ska related. Now, I was basing my list on the bands named in this thread. This catagory should include such names as the Clash and the Specials. alright. fair enough. I'd throw goldfinger and maybe bosstones in there too I suppose. now 2tone, I think specials, selector, english beat, toasters, bad manners
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krillen wrote: Thread ressurect much? If you look at the post before mine it has a post date of Feb 26th. How was I supposed to notice the 2006?
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jgloporto wrote: I Want People to Like Me Because I Am Popular Punk-Like Bands Henry Rollins Band I agree and disagree with lots of things that have been said here, but this, i disagree with more than anything else. Henry Rollins as a wannabe... riiiiight.
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fiend wrote: krillen wrote: Thread ressurect much? If you look at the post before mine it has a post date of Feb 26th. How was I supposed to notice the 2006? Saying 2007 still feels so wrong....
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bustloose wrote: jgloporto wrote: I Want People to Like Me Because I Am Popular Punk-Like Bands Henry Rollins Band I agree and disagree with lots of things that have been said here, but this, i disagree with more than anything else. Henry Rollins as a wannabe... riiiiight. Wasn't Henry Rollins working as a Veejay on MTV for awhile?
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bustloose wrote: jgloporto wrote: Punk-Like Music for Surfers and People Who Like Tribal Tattoos Henry Rollins Band Honorable Mention to The Red Hot Chili Peppers Best Punk Band Tattooed on Henry Rollins The Misfits Honorable Mention to Black Flag I agree and disagree with lots of things that have been said here, but this, i disagree with more than anything else. Henry Rollins as a wannabe... riiiiight. Fixed.
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Dragging this beeeyaatch up from page three Best Crazy Russian Polka Band doing Punk Rock Gogol Bordello Honorable mention.... Who needs an honorable mention....
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dr_feelgood wrote: Dragging this beeeyaatch up from page three Best Crazy Russian Polka Band doing Punk Rock Gogol Bordello Honorable mention.... Who needs an honorable mention.... I've heard these guys on Pandora ... I like it.
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Good Riddance. Followed by Millencolin.
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OMG! this is such a funny thread. tgreene is just so precious that i want to eat him up and have him come out in my doodie. here's a category for you: i couldn't can't carry a tune in a goddam bucket and i don't know how to tune my guitar so i've decided to call the unlistenable monkey shit that i am playing "punk," because i once heard there were no rules in punk. hopefully no one will hassle me about it because despite the tattoos and bad ass persona, i am actually a very insecure and fearful person. the best band in this category is: 85% of all punk bands, ever to take the stage, anywhere. with honorable mention going to social D
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elvislegs wrote: i couldn't can't carry a tune in a goddam bucket and i don't know how to tune my guitar so i've decided to call the unlistenable monkey shit that i am playing "punk," because i once heard there were no rules in punk. hopefully no one will hassle me about it because despite the tattoos and bad ass persona, i am actually a very insecure and fearful person. the best band in this category is: 85% of all punk bands, ever to take the stage, anywhere. The essence of that could be said about most modern music: rock, rap, jazz, country, any form of freestyle. I suppose we should have never let the expressionists alter classical music, it’s been all downhill since the baroque era. You might be amazed how much bigger the world is if you open your eyes. You’re the only one missing out by being closed minded.
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devils_advocate wrote: I suppose we should have never let the expressionists alter classical music, it’s been all downhill since the baroque era. if it aint baroque, don't fix it.
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Interesting. What happened to your prior attempt at a witty little rebuttal on subjectiveness and literary criticism? More importantly, how were you able to change it without showing an edit at the bottom? -dad
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i decided this more accurately illustrated my point. i used the delete button.
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elvislegs wrote: here's a category for you: i couldn't can't carry a tune in a goddam bucket and i don't know how to tune my guitar so i've decided to call the unlistenable monkey shit that i am playing "punk," because i once heard there were no rules in punk. hopefully no one will hassle me about it because despite the tattoos and bad ass persona, i am actually a very insecure and fearful person. the best band in this category is: 85% of all punk bands, ever to take the stage, anywhere. with honorable mention going to social D Pff... like anyone ever cared about anything anyone from Idaho ever thought about anything. (Heh, heh... that was a good sentence.) Besides, like jazz, with punk you have to hear the notes they are not playing and also like jazz, it's all about beating the guy next to you at the show nearly to death and then picking him up when he falls down so no one steps on him (or at least I think that's what they also do at jazz clubs. Jazz is so irritating, they gotta do the same thing at those jazz places, right?). Anywho, the Misfits rock... and like the best things in life, they are from New Jersey.
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devils_advocate wrote: elvislegs wrote: i couldn't can't carry a tune in a goddam bucket and i don't know how to tune my guitar so i've decided to call the unlistenable monkey shit that i am playing "punk," because i once heard there were no rules in punk. hopefully no one will hassle me about it because despite the tattoos and bad ass persona, i am actually a very insecure and fearful person. the best band in this category is: 85% of all punk bands, ever to take the stage, anywhere. The essence of that could be said about most modern music: rock, rap, jazz, country, any form of freestyle. I suppose we should have never let the expressionists alter classical music, it’s been all downhill since the baroque era. You might be amazed how much bigger the world is if you open your eyes. You’re the only one missing out by being closed minded. I've always wondered, when music nerds start arguing, whether its an elaborate mating ritual or do they really care that much what other people think of the music they listen to.
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petsfed wrote: I've always wondered, when music nerds start arguing, whether its an elaborate mating ritual or do they really care that much what other people think of the music they listen to. Interesting observation... not unlike debating shoe types or grigris vs. atc's or whatever other shit we all endlessly debate around here... Makes perfect sense to me now... we are all just trying to get laid. In fact, now that I think about it, most of what I do is done with that objective in mind.
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devils_advocate wrote: elvislegs wrote: i couldn't can't carry a tune in a goddam bucket and i don't know how to tune my guitar so i've decided to call the unlistenable monkey shit that i am playing "punk," because i once heard there were no rules in punk. hopefully no one will hassle me about it because despite the tattoos and bad ass persona, i am actually a very insecure and fearful person. the best band in this category is: 85% of all punk bands, ever to take the stage, anywhere. The essence of that could be said about most modern music: rock, rap, jazz, country, any form of freestyle. I suppose we should have never let the expressionists alter classical music, it’s been all downhill since the baroque era. You might be amazed how much bigger the world is if you open your eyes. You’re the only one missing out by being closed minded. clearly, d_a, you know jackski shitski about jazz.
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devils_advocate wrote: petsfed wrote: I've always wondered, when music nerds start arguing, whether its an elaborate mating ritual or do they really care that much what other people think of the music they listen to. Weren’t you the guy talking about 5th Order Polynomials while the rest of us were talking about Hookers, Blow, and Boulder Bashing? I used to wonder, when math nerds start arguing if it’s some elaborate mating ritual... then I remembered math nerds die alone with a life full of boring memories to reflect on their death beds. Eh, I was trying to legitimately helpful in a field I had some understanding. Real punk rock? I know just enough to know that I have zero expertise here. /off to listen to Uncle Tupelo
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