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estwing
Aug 18, 2002, 1:52 PM
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Hi, I was wondering how you folks bring water(if any) up an all day multi-pitch adventure.
I don't plan on hauling, so what are you suggestions.
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Sam
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theamish
Aug 18, 2002, 2:17 PM
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If you're not going to haul anything I would recommend a hydration system, such as a CamelBack or its equivelent.
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alpinerocket
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I agree, you need water for endurance climbing. I recomend hydrating before the climb by drinking a litter or two of water during the drive to the crag. Next either bring a camelback or similar hydration system with you. It will not intefere with your climbing. Or you can bring a Nalgene bottle with you. These can be cliped these right to your harness with a biener. Hope this helps. John
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estwing
Aug 18, 2002, 3:22 PM
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Thanks for your replies, a further question; should one get just the bladder and minimalist bag, or a larger pack with a bladder pouch?
Sam
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duck
Aug 18, 2002, 3:34 PM
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Just curious, how do you keep things from growing in a camelpack? I've never had one, so I don't know.
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beyond_gravity
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Quote:
Just curious, how do you keep things from growing in a camelpack? I've never had one, so I don't know.
After each day, you empty it, rinse it out with water and leave it open to dry out. Oh ya, never put anything but water in the bladder!
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drewcoleman
Aug 18, 2002, 4:29 PM
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Depends on the weather. You could well hydrate and probaly be ok. But if its hot might want to take some water to be on the safe side.
Drew
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gunked
Aug 18, 2002, 10:02 PM
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Estwing,
As far as the size of the camelbak, it depends on what you're doing.
If I'm aiding on a bigwall, I'll climb with at least a 70 oz maybe a 100 oz.
If I'm doing a couple of trad pitches, I'll probably leave the water at the base.
If I'm doing more than two pitches, I'll carry a 40 oz or a 70 oz depending on the heat, exertion, amount of time to climb the route.
Plain and simple : STAY HYDRATED AND YOU'LL CLIMB BETTER AND BE MUCH HAPPIER! Be careful not to piss on your belayer and think about future parties when leaving your liquid waste. IT REALLY STINKS IN THE SUN!!!
Keep Climbin'
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traide
Aug 18, 2002, 10:18 PM
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you can put other things besides water in your camelbak, you just can't leave them in there for very long, and HAVE to clean it out VERY thoroughly.
try going to camelbak's website. www.camelbak.com for vertical climbing, i use the camelback classis. it's very low profile, stays put, holds a lot, and doesn't interfere with my climbing in any way.
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sauron
Aug 18, 2002, 10:22 PM
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After spending a day out in the hot Texas sun, I've come to one conclusion...
YOU CAN NEVER TAKE WITH YOU TOO MUCH WATER.
At least (repeat: AT LEAST) a gallon per person per day. If you can afford it (energy, sherpas, etc), go for more.
- d, who will happily carry more water than suffer through dehydration.
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climbjs
Aug 18, 2002, 10:51 PM
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Sauron is right. You can never, ever underestimate how much water to bring. You will, inevitably end up drinking much more than you brought. Water is one of the weights that you have to bring that is worth it's weight in gold. Water is your bodies universal solvent and should be treated as such.
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I`d highly recommend getting a packet of that dehydrated water at the local cheap shop. When you get to where you`re going just add water and hey presto you`ve got as much water as you want, brilliant, works every time. Comes complete with a free set of steak knives.
...Phil...
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kmae
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Another very good reason to stay hydrated is that your muscles lose a lot of their power when you start to become dehydrated. I have used a Camelback for years, and I agree with the other folks who say it does not interfere with climbing (except for some chimneys, which I try to stay out of anyway). I carry 100 oz. and never notice the weight.
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evs786
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The Best thing you can do for yourself, especially on a mutli-pitch route is keep hydrated. And, by the way, loss of apetite occurs at 2% dehydration, so If you dont drink, you dont eat as much, which in turn makes you much weaker and drains your energy. My advice would be to definatly take a camelback/platypus.
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the_elk
Aug 19, 2002, 1:25 AM
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As per every other reply here I'd take a camelback, or something similar.
The way we used to work it with the guys I started climbing with was that the 2nd carried the back pack with the bottles of water in it. Which caused a couple of problems. If you were leading you didn't have the annoying back pack but you had no water until your 2nd got to the next belay ledge. If you were the 2nd, you could drink more water but you had to deal with the stupid back pack putting you off.
After one adventure, where I decided I'd lead the entire climb, (my 2nd was cool with that) and my 2nd FORGOT the back pack so we had no food, no water and no guide book, I took it upon myself to buy a small backpack that had a water pouch and seperate pockets to put a few energy bars in it so I'd never have to rely on anyone for MY water. And it sticks close to your back so it really doesn't mess with your balance.
Cheers, Elk
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Aug 19, 2002, 5:17 AM
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For a full day at Tahquitz, I guzzle from a gallon jug on the drive, then stick 2 32oz Nalgene bottles in my pack. One stays there, at the base of the climb(s), the other gets clipped on my harness (right through the hoop that holds the lid to the retaining ring).
I used to use thinner bottles reinforced with duct tape, but the weight of the Nalgene bottles just isn't that big a deal, and my pump screws directly on them, which is handy.
Hydration systems seem pretty spiffy, but I do like the ability to easily shift where I carry the water, or even dump the load on the second when the leading gets hairy.
-jjf
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stevematthys
Aug 20, 2002, 12:12 AM
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i use my cammelback
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tim
Aug 20, 2002, 1:14 AM
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camelback for long days (sometimes with gatorade/water or fruitjuice/water 50/50, rinse with lots of water afterwards), nalgene for short climbs, climbs where I can put the pack on a second, or ice.
it really, really sucks to get fully dehydrated. I'll never let it happen to me again. chewing your tonsils f'ing blows.
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I wouldn't get the minimalist cammelback. I climb w/ a cammelback blowfish, a little more $ but it has paid for itself many times over. If you get one of the low profile packs you can carry some food and extra supplies without affecting your climbing too much. I've done all day climbs and carried everything I need for me and my partner in one. It's great for skiing, hiking any other all day activity w/o a heavy load to carry. Anyway thats my 2 cents for what it's worth, hope I don't sound like a salesman or anyhting.
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apollodorus
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I'm with philbox. I like both Evian Crystals and freeze-dried Perrier. All you do is add plain water.
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nalgene bottle with a 12 inch sling duct-taped to it. i clip it to a biner that i put around the waist belt of my harness in the back. the biner is clipped down and out so that the spine is between your back and the waist belt. clip the bottle and descent shoes to it and you will be happy when you get to a belay. unless you are leading aid, chances are you will be at the belay station before you know it. bottoms up
~Chris
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Aug 20, 2002, 4:20 AM
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I never go anywhere without water. Years in the mountains keep you beverage humble. Usually just a bunch of Nalgene bottles clipped to something or in a pack. Also, I have a Camelbak.
Steve
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Staying hydrated is extremely important Just look at Apollodorus and philbox for the devastating affect of dehydration
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Aug 20, 2002, 2:04 PM
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Small back pack that the second carries. You put your water, food and any extras in it.
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Aug 20, 2002, 6:39 PM
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On multi-pitch routes both partners carry small hydration packs with snacks (clif bars)
I may freeze the packs or drop in ice cubes the night before so that I have cold water as I climb.
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estwing
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Thanks for all the great advice. I decided to go with the camel back style pack. It should be great.
Thanks again,
Sam
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Camelabk is definitely the way to go. Get one that you can use as a day pack as well but the super large ones like the Trans Alp. The Hawg or the Blowfish are good ones that you can fit a guidebook rain jacket some food and 100 oz of water in and shoes for the rappel or walk off.
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Usually for myself anyway, I have a 2L camelback as well as a full Naglene bottle with a bit of webbing taped onto it so I can clip it to the back of my harness. That gives me about three and a bit liters for a climb.
For you Yanks out there that's about three pints.
this has worked out on climbs that were 21P long on a 20 degree Celcius (70F) day and I still had a bit left over.
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Aug 26, 2002, 12:55 PM
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Actually, rendog, that would be more like 6 pints (3 quarts)
I have a BD Wingate hip-pack that is just big enough to hold a 1 L Nalgene and some snacks. If I want to bring descent shoes or a jacket as well, I'll use my BD bullet pack, and then I can also fit a little more water.
A caution on hanging Nalgenes from the blue keeper ring - I've seen those break off from the lid of the bottle. They are not designed for that kind of load, and it's a good way to lose your water if you aren't careful. Duct taping a cord or sling to the bottle is a better way to go.
I've personally never used a Camelback, but thought about getting one many times. Do you guys put them on underneath the lead rack, or over the top? I would think they would interfere with the comfort of the way the rack sits across your shoulder and back.
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I tried the Camelback for cycling and could never get used to the feel while on my bike but for climbing they are the greatest. I fill the bladder and take 2 nalgene bottles and some times have found that was not enough. Load what you think you will need and add some more. You can get by without food for a while but your body will shut down when dehydration hits.
Climb On
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fleadawg is right, in order to be properly hydrated, you need to start drinking water the day before, and keep drinking. I'm originally from AZ, so I know a thing or two about climbing when it's hot as hell. I take my camelback, clip a nalgene bottle to my harness, and make my 2nd carry more water. Also, if you're gonna be at the rocks camping or whatever, make sure you don't drink any alcohol or soda or coffee while you're in camp, because alcohol and caffeine will dehydrate you. I like to drink Gatorade or Kool-Aid when I'm in camp at night. You can go about twice as long without food as you can without water.
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In technical terms, "salt" covers a lot of ground. One of the most critical salts is potassium chloride. Sweat out enough of this without replenishing it, and you literally won't be able to remember your own name, in addition to ending up flat on the ground with all your friends standing around you while you do the epileptic thing.
You don't get much of this from ordinary salt tablets. Gatorade or bananas, and gatorade gets it in and where you need it a lot faster.
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If you buy one buy the larger size.
The weight difference between a "half-back" and the original is so small it's really not an issue. This gives you the option to fill it with the amount you will need for the day.
You can definitly fill it with anything you'd like. My favorite is iced tea...it only looks like beer. ...rinse it right away, (ie. don't leave it in the trunk for a week!)
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hi tradguy: I put on my camelback first, then my rack, then my slings. It does make the rack a little tighter, but I have it loosened up a bit now so that's not a problem. Also, if you put the rack under the camelback then you can't slide the rack out of your way when you need to make a move. I usually ask my second to carry the camelback, and he doesn't mind since I carry it for him whenever he leads!
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I tried a new system last week, a 1 liter bladder slid into a waist pack. extra room for food, etc. stayed out of the way better than the back pack style. I could slide it around, from one side to the other, depending on the climbing i was doing, and it didnt get in the way of my shoulder slung rack.
i am happy with this system.
-wyo
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One word of caution with the hip pack - Gu packets will explode when squished between rock and a Nalgene bottle. What a mess!!
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What if you have to pee?? 2 liters is a lot of water and is bound to fill that bladder preeeetty quickly.
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scdance wrote: What if you have to pee?? 2 liters is a lot of water and is bound to fill that bladder preeeetty quickly.
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I hope so. I mean, that's what I was going for.
No, I searched "water" and not seeing the date of the post accidentally posted.
But really! What if you do have to pee on a long climb like that. What do you do?
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You just pee. What's the issue?
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0_o You are stranded up on a rock. So you just whip it out and start peeing off the side of the rock face?
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Well, in my case, as a female...I can't just "whip it out". But yeah...
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scdance wrote: 0_o You are stranded up on a rock. So you just whip it out and start peeing off the side of the rock face?
But basically, yes. Try to find an obscure spot that is not on the route - eg: not the belay ledge, not pissing down the last pitch, etc. Think about those who might be doing the route after you.
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a 32oz Nalgene bottle clipped with a mini (doubles as bail gear) to the back of my harness and a cliff bar in the pocket. Bladder waiting in my 40L pack at the bottom.
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