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123mardog
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dl1h0Jmqswc
Amazing....
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curt
Dec 8, 2007, 2:19 AM
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Yeah, I almost fell asleep...
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123mardog wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dl1h0Jmqswc Amazing....
No disrespect intended - I can't pull Vdoubledigits and probably never will - but did it seem to anyone else like that problem involves the same move about 143 times in a row? Give or take...
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camplicated
Dec 8, 2007, 3:00 AM
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impressive accomplishment or not, this has got to be the least interesting climbing video i've seen in a while. i mean, halfway through the clip i started doing work.
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quiteatingmysteak
Dec 8, 2007, 3:00 AM
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if i add a v1 sit start to it, does it become v17?
v16+v1 = v17!
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quiteatingmysteak
Dec 8, 2007, 3:03 AM
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also, he took his beanie off mid-send. that bumps the grade up quite a bit. Maybe he was going for the FBA (first Beani-less Ascent) but decided to pinkpoint the FBA by removing his headgear?
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petsfed
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123mardog wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dl1h0Jmqswc Amazing....
Jesus, there's at least a minute of resting that can go away without making the video any less interesting. Yes, probably a very impressive send. This is one of the worst videos I've ever seen though. Camera is very static, with no different angles, music is terrible, and the way its cut makes the climb look easy. Its a disservice to the problem.
Curt's right, I about feel asleep.
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Your sig is wrong petsfed. Maybe with some kind of alternate tuning, or you are doing a weird variation of the shocker. You guys have sold me though. Ain't watching some boring ass bouldering vid. Most are boring anyway, and if this one's stretching the boundaries...
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hopperhopper
Dec 8, 2007, 5:38 AM
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i liked it 
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Dec 8, 2007, 5:54 AM
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Pretty sick stuff...
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curt
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caughtinside wrote: ...What I thought was most interesting was how this problem climbed way more like a route. Dude was milking rests and kneebars all over the place.
Gee, maybe that's because it is more of a route...
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microbarn
Dec 8, 2007, 6:17 PM
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I agree....I liked that I knew it was one take. Some videos get so cut up that I wonder if the problem was ever sent in one go.
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microbarn
Dec 8, 2007, 6:17 PM
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awesome send though...good for him
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Boring or not, I'm impressed at how easy he made that heinously long problem look. That was one of the most methodical and well-wired sends of a hard problem I've seen. I wonder how long it took him to wire all those moves.
ps-I was kinda hoping he'd fall at the end just so I could get a chuckle out of all those moves he did before just to fall at the end.
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EPiCJAMES
Dec 8, 2007, 6:35 PM
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way too many rests, but i'm sure he'd been working the problem all day. good send tho.
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Curt-- You're just getting old and jaded . . ..
I actually enjoyed the thing-- he's really careful and technical with his feet, even on the sections where he could obviously just slobber on the heel. And that last super technical and powerful move before the easier lip is truly impressive--mentally even more than physically.
But The Wheel of Life does show the idiocy of using bouldering grades for long traverses. You can see why the French gave up on the practice years ago.
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deepplaymedia
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ive finally come to realise that RC.com forums are serving their purpose in keeping all you haters bitching on the internet & away from the crags where we are having unimpeded fun!
the video is supposed to be a documentation of history, not a razzle dazzle hollyhood production! it was taken by a mate who was there at the time and had a video camera, and recorded chris (a far far better climber and in all likelihood a cooler guy than any of you will ever be)
as for the climbing, who of you has ever been to hollow mountain cave?
ive had the amazing priveledge to climb in that cave a few times, and i can assure you that apart from being really really cool & really really big (wheel of life is about 70 moves long) it is very pumpy climbing & resting is crucial if you hope to send anything there (even the shorter problems) but why would you hate on someone for resting anyway? i mean what is the point really? sooooo dumb!!
as for the grade, it was graded by the first ascensionist Dai Koyamada (sp?) who has done enough other v15's & 16's to know what he is talking about. the rock is waiting for any of you to go and downgrade it if you like, but until then...
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Dec 9, 2007, 6:02 AM
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dude climbs like a robot. i've rarely seen something so wired. super amazingly cool.
the haters are jealous.
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curt
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deepplaymedia wrote: ive finally come to realise that RC.com forums are serving their purpose in keeping all you haters bitching on the internet & away from the crags where we are having unimpeded fun! the video is supposed to be a documentation of history, not a razzle dazzle hollyhood production! it was taken by a mate who was there at the time and had a video camera, and recorded chris (a far far better climber and in all likelihood a cooler guy than any of you will ever be) as for the climbing, who of you has ever been to hollow mountain cave? ive had the amazing priveledge to climb in that cave a few times, and i can assure you that apart from being really really cool & really really big (wheel of life is about 70 moves long) it is very pumpy climbing & resting is crucial if you hope to send anything there (even the shorter problems) but why would you hate on someone for resting anyway? i mean what is the point really? sooooo dumb!! as for the grade, it was graded by the first ascensionist Dai Koyamada (sp?) who has done enough other v15's & 16's to know what he is talking about. the rock is waiting for any of you to go and downgrade it if you like, but until then...
Do you need a box of tissues--or just tampons?
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hopperhopper
Dec 9, 2007, 7:24 AM
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curt wrote: Do you need a box of tissues--or just tampons?
lol he's not crying. i was actually about to quote it for truth, maybe put it as my sig rofl
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deepplaymedia wrote: ive finally come to realise that RC.com forums are serving their purpose in keeping all you haters bitching on the internet & away from the crags where we are having unimpeded fun!
Yep.
In reply to: chris (a far far better climber and in all likelihood a cooler guy than any of you will ever be)
Goes without saying.
In reply to: the rock is waiting for any of you to go and downgrade it if you like, but until then...
Don't hold your breath.
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Dec 9, 2007, 2:55 PM
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nice, I didn't know that WoL had seen a 2nd ascent. That dudes got some massive endurance reserves.
oh, and zeke (thread drift alert),
that certainly looks a bit like the shocker to me...
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Deep Play-- I take it that most of your post is a reply to the folks who didn't enjoy the video, rather than to me. As for the grade, although the thread contained plenty of snarky comments on the video, I haven't seen anyone suggest that the route is "overgraded."
My comments on the idiocy of using V-grades for long traverses and link-ups is a reference to a longstanding debate about the differences between bouldering and sport grading. Since the first ascentionist was the one who chose to use V grades for the thing, I suppose the critique, such as it is, is directed at him rather than your buddy. As I said in my post, it has been the practice in Fontainebleau, for a long time now, (and was the practice of the inventor of the V-grade system) to use different grading systems for traverses to reflect the difficulties of comparing a, say, 22-move power-endurance route to a four move power problem.
Changing the grade on Wheel of Life from V16 to 5.15c or the appropriate 'Bleau grade would hardly qualify as downgrading.
And I agree that it's pretty cool to see an important-- and more to the point, well-crafted--ascent on YouTube.
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camhead wrote: nice, I didn't know that WoL had seen a 2nd ascent. That dudes got some massive endurance reserves. oh, and zeke (thread drift alert), that certainly looks a bit like the shocker to me...
You are going 2 in the stink 1 in the pink with your guitar chord.
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PTFTMFW
microbarn wrote: camhead wrote: nice, I didn't know that WoL had seen a 2nd ascent. That dudes got some massive endurance reserves. oh, and zeke (thread drift alert), [img]http://www.jamplay.com/images/chords/g-major-barre-chord-8.jpg[/img] that certainly looks a bit like the shocker to me... Sorry, but a shocker is 2 in the pink one in the stink: [image]http://www.givememyremote.com/uploaded_images/VM_shocker-759901.jpg[/image] You are going 2 in the stink 1 in the pink with your guitar chord.
I think that'd be more shocking, but what do I know?
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marvinz wrote: deepplaymedia wrote: ive finally come to realise that RC.com forums are serving their purpose in keeping all you haters bitching on the internet & away from the crags where we are having unimpeded fun! Yep. In reply to: chris (a far far better climber and in all likelihood a cooler guy than any of you will ever be) Goes without saying. In reply to: the rock is waiting for any of you to go and downgrade it if you like, but until then... Don't hold your breath.
So basically, you agree with the guy who has completely failed to grasp the topic under discussion here. Congrats.
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caughtinside
Dec 9, 2007, 7:33 PM
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You know what the best part of all this is?
Climbers are basically saying that real climbing is boring to watch.
hahahaha!!! I love it. Let's keep it off tv and out of the olympics.
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petsfed wrote: PTFTMFW microbarn wrote: camhead wrote: nice, I didn't know that WoL had seen a 2nd ascent. That dudes got some massive endurance reserves. oh, and zeke (thread drift alert), that certainly looks a bit like the shocker to me... Sorry, but a shocker is 2 in the pink one in the stink: You are going 2 in the stink 1 in the pink with your guitar chord. I think that'd be more shocking, but what do I know?
You've got a kinky girl there...hahaha...
Like I said originally, an alternate tuning or variation (like you mention) could totally account for this difference, but the only shocker I've seen people make (not in the situation, mind you) is the one the bros are displaying above...
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ja1484
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caughtinside wrote: You know what the best part of all this is? Climbers are basically saying that real climbing is boring to watch. hahahaha!!! I love it. Let's keep it off tv and out of the olympics.
Amen to that.
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zeke_sf wrote: petsfed wrote: PTFTMFW microbarn wrote: camhead wrote: nice, I didn't know that WoL had seen a 2nd ascent. That dudes got some massive endurance reserves. oh, and zeke (thread drift alert), [img]http://www.jamplay.com/images/chords/g-major-barre-chord-8.jpg[/img] that certainly looks a bit like the shocker to me... Sorry, but a shocker is 2 in the pink one in the stink: [image]http://www.givememyremote.com/uploaded_images/VM_shocker-759901.jpg[/image] You are going 2 in the stink 1 in the pink with your guitar chord. I think that'd be more shocking, but what do I know? You've got a kinky girl there...hahaha... Like I said originally, an alternate tuning or variation (like you mention) could totally account for this difference, but the only shocker I've seen people make (not in the situation, mind you) is the one the bros are displaying above...
I used to work with a little old lady who (according to her at any rate) really dug it when her husband gave her the alternate tuning there. Pretty much stopped the ribald conversations at work for a while.
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USMClimb
Dec 16, 2007, 6:01 AM
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overall cool climb, boring vid. he couldve done without excessive chalking and resting
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USMClimb wrote: overall cool climb, boring vid. he couldve done without excessive chalking and resting
In reply to: Climbers are basically saying that real climbing is boring to watch.
excellent send.
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stuffed tissues? or tampons in this pic?
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While impressive in it's overall length and the small size of some of the holds. The essential [large] roof traversal techniques involving heel, toe, double knee bar rests, and hand-foot match reversals, etc are all techniques climbers on similar Arkansas, Southern Illinois, and other Midwest sandstone were well-versed with in the mid-70's.
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how is saying that he couldve done the problem with fewer rests and less chalk retarded?
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USMClimb wrote: how is saying that he couldve done the problem with fewer rests and less chalk retarded?
because he probably couldn't have. or else he would have. why don't you sail down to australia and prove us wrong?
my brother always told me not to hate on someone unless i could do better. made sense, and shut me up alot.
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I agree that the video isn't particularly thrilling to watch, as far as bouldering ascents go, but it is an impressive bit of climbing. It made me wonder just how many attemps had gone into getting the problem so completely wired. I didn't see any wasted energy or unnecessary fumbling and re-gripping, or re-setting of feet.
While there was about two minutes of resting included in the video, I will say that to me, hanging one-hand from an open hand half-pad hold on a horizontal roof does not constitute a rest. That's the kind of stuff that I would need to rest after holding onto.
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curt wrote: marvinz wrote: deepplaymedia wrote: ive finally come to realise that RC.com forums are serving their purpose in keeping all you haters bitching on the internet & away from the crags where we are having unimpeded fun! Yep. In reply to: chris (a far far better climber and in all likelihood a cooler guy than any of you will ever be) Goes without saying. In reply to: the rock is waiting for any of you to go and downgrade it if you like, but until then... Don't hold your breath. So basically, you agree with the guy who has completely failed to grasp the topic under discussion here. Congrats. Curt
I take it, then, that your almost 12,000 posts on this website means you have spent a lot of time outdoors and are an expert in every aspect of climbing, then?
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itstoearly wrote: curt wrote: marvinz wrote: deepplaymedia wrote: ive finally come to realise that RC.com forums are serving their purpose in keeping all you haters bitching on the internet & away from the crags where we are having unimpeded fun! Yep. In reply to: chris (a far far better climber and in all likelihood a cooler guy than any of you will ever be) Goes without saying. In reply to: the rock is waiting for any of you to go and downgrade it if you like, but until then... Don't hold your breath. So basically, you agree with the guy who has completely failed to grasp the topic under discussion here. Congrats. Curt I take it, then, that your almost 12,000 posts on this website means you have spent a lot of time outdoors and are an expert in every aspect of climbing, then?
You should do your homework first before s(pr)aying things like that.
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itstoearly wrote: curt wrote: marvinz wrote: deepplaymedia wrote: ive finally come to realise that RC.com forums are serving their purpose in keeping all you haters bitching on the internet & away from the crags where we are having unimpeded fun! Yep. In reply to: chris (a far far better climber and in all likelihood a cooler guy than any of you will ever be) Goes without saying. In reply to: the rock is waiting for any of you to go and downgrade it if you like, but until then... Don't hold your breath. So basically, you agree with the guy who has completely failed to grasp the topic under discussion here. Congrats. Curt I take it, then, that your almost 12,000 posts on this website means you have spent a lot of time outdoors and are an expert in every aspect of climbing, then?
First of all, it's fairly clear that the guys I replied to above did not understand the topic under discussion. Nobody said that "Wheel" should be downgraded--and yet that was the topic of their posts. The topic of the main discussion here had actually evolved into whether or not "Wheel" is more accurately viewed as a longer climb--or as a boulder problem, and therefore what rating system could most accurately describe its difficulty.
Secondly, you will notice (if you care to look) that I do not post much, if at all, in the big wall and aid forum, the alpine and ice forum, the competition climbing forum or the indoor gyms forum. I also post very little in the sport climbing forum. Why? Because I realize, in fact, that I am not an expert in every aspect of climbing. Therefore unlike others (yourself included apparently) I do not post unless I know what I'm talking about.
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deepplaymedia wrote: the video is supposed to be a documentation of history, not a razzle dazzle hollyhood production! it was taken by a mate who was there at the time and had a video camera, and recorded chris (a far far better climber and in all likelihood a cooler guy than any of you will ever be)
as far a a simple documentation of the climb, the clip was fine, but many people pointed out that it was boring to watch. that has less to do with the grade of the climb, the coolness factor of the climber, whether it's bouldering/sport/trad/solo, or ever having been to a specific location and is much more related to personal aesthetic preferences.
for example, i find this clip (http://youtube.com/watch?v=wMUFUU2kozg) much more interesting (and i didn't even have sound on the first few times i watched it). not sure why that is, but i just like this clip better. similar traverse, just a little higher off the ground, similar climbing, similar long rests, but i like this one better even though that makes me less cool than this chris character. i don't deny, though, that both climbers are freaking incredibly strong and talented.
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you want sweet boulderin' vids?
I gots em right here!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=jkCpamhoixs&feature=related
http://youtube.com/watch?v=vaB-t3crryQ&feature=related
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incredible, but i'm pretty sure he weighted his chalk bag on the ground.
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caughtinside wrote: You know what the best part of all this is? Climbers are basically saying that real climbing is boring to watch. hahahaha!!! I love it. Let's keep it off tv and out of the olympics.
that's not elitist and, as with most elitism, stupid at all...
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jacksdefeat wrote: caughtinside wrote: You know what the best part of all this is? Climbers are basically saying that real climbing is boring to watch. hahahaha!!! I love it. Let's keep it off tv and out of the olympics. that's not elitist and, as with most elitism, stupid at all...
It could be worse. I could pretend this is myspace and list my favorite bands in my profile.
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didn't want to defend elitism, so you went after my being more than 1-dimensional in my profile?
clever.
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jacksdefeat wrote: didn't want to defend elitism, so you went after my being more than 1-dimensional in my profile? clever.
hahaha
Defend elitism. Elitism is one of those buzzwords thrown around by new climbers with chips on their shoulders.
But hell, you've been climbing ten minutes, you're entitled to an opinion.
And it is amusing... since my statement actually is a threat only to the truly elite climbers. Yes, I was climbing to have as little exposure as possible. Yes, I want there to be less money in climbing.
It's probably more selfish than elite. I'm ok with that.
And dude I'm way into Incubus and Green Day. hahahahaha
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"caughtinside wrote: Yes, I was climbing to have as little exposure as possible. Yes, I want there to be less money in climbing. It's probably more selfish than elite. I'm ok with that.
fair enough. i feel differently.
i'm just glad to be climbing and know that with exposure comes development. i know it has its problems, too, but the possibility for development outweighs them in my mind. maybe i'll think differently after i've been climbing 6 years, but i hope i won't.
Make Yourself and Dookie were solid albums. Cheers.
be well.
-ce.
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jacksdefeat
Jan 4, 2008, 9:20 PM
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beyond that squabble, that's some strong ass climbing. who cares about the quality of the production?
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mturner
Jan 4, 2008, 9:22 PM
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jacksdefeat wrote: maybe i'll think differently after i've been climbing 6 years, but i hope i won't.
When your crag gets crowded and you have to wait in line, or worse, your crag gets closed because of over/misuse then you might regret that comment.
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caughtinside
Jan 4, 2008, 9:24 PM
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jacksdefeat wrote: i'm just glad to be climbing and know that with exposure comes development. i know it has its problems, too, but the possibility for development outweighs them in my mind. maybe i'll think differently after i've been climbing 6 years, but i hope i won't.
I wouldn't say climbing 'needs' more development. It's been steady since the early days without money or exposure.
The only way more money can come into climbing, is if more climbers come into climbing. That's the selfish bit. I don't mind new climbers at all, but I do mind hordes descending. If that means that mister super dedicated climber can't make a comfortable living from climbing well then boo hoo.
Perhaps you don't mind standing in line to climb, gang toproping, large groups watching while one person climbs, etc. Personally I think that's lame, and would rather avoid crowded crags.
Climbing is thriving as it is. I see no benefit to having it on tv or in the olympics. Not sure what the gains of development could be.
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jacksdefeat
Jan 4, 2008, 9:33 PM
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our mentalities probably come from where we are able to climb.
i'm stuck in central indiana, where i know there has to be some more possible areas to be developed than muscatatuck park and hemlock cliffs, and the red is a weekend trip.
around here, we're just stoked to have anything worthwhile to climb, even if it's plastic. so, in my eyes, development and a more encouraging community would benefit everyone a bit more.
and like i said, maybe i'll think differently after climbing longer and dealing with some overcrowding issues. if so, fair enough, and i'll admit i was wrong.
(This post was edited by jacksdefeat on Jan 4, 2008, 9:36 PM)
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caughtinside
Jan 4, 2008, 10:03 PM
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jacksdefeat wrote: around here, we're just stoked to have anything worthwhile to climb, even if it's plastic. so, in my eyes, development and a more encouraging community would benefit everyone a bit more.
Well, some places just don't have that much rock to begin with. Just gotta deal with that one, or start tramping around in the woods to find new stone.
You're new, so I sympathize with your dilemma. It can be a challenge to find good partners. The reason is generally that it takes a fair amount of time to train/instruct/mentor/whatever a new climber to the point where they become a good partner. By itself, this isn't a big deal, but the fact is, is that most new climbers are in it as a fad, most probably tire of it and move on after two years or less.
Who wants to invest their time in someone who is just going to quit? I learned this lesson the hard way, trying to get my friends into climbing. What a mistake! Climbing just isn't for some people. Most people, actually. After a while, it becomes easier to identify who really wants to climb, and who won't be into climbing.
Once you crack that barrier though and people figure out that you're going to be around a while, I think you'll find the climbing community quite supportive.
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norsk
Jan 4, 2008, 10:05 PM
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As Curt said on page 2:
"The topic of the main discussion here had actually evolved into whether or not "Wheel" is more accurately viewed as a longer climb--or as a boulder problem, and therefore what rating system could most accurately describe its difficulty."
So, to stay on track...no body yet has pointed out the real answer to what the route should be considered, and therefore how it should be graded. At 11 moves into the climbing, he takes off his beanie. So, as I understand it, that makes the route twofold: an 11 move boulder problem followed immediately by a long free solo.
Either way, amazing climbing.
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mturner
Jan 5, 2008, 6:25 PM
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norsk wrote: At 11 moves into the climbing, he takes off his beanie. So, as I understand it, that makes the route twofold: an 11 move boulder problem followed immediately by a long free solo.
WTF?! Since when is removing a beanie or any other sort of rest on the rock a requisite for calling a climb a free solo?! That's the lamest definition I have ever heard.
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norsk
Jan 5, 2008, 10:01 PM
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mturner wrote: norsk wrote: At 11 moves into the climbing, he takes off his beanie. So, as I understand it, that makes the route twofold: an 11 move boulder problem followed immediately by a long free solo. WTF?! Since when is removing a beanie or any other sort of rest on the rock a requisite for calling a climb a free solo?! That's the lamest definition I have ever heard.
whoa, easy there mturner...i was only trying to make a joke about boulderers wearing beanies (so therefore, once he removed the beanie he was no longer bouldering, and since he didn't have a rope he was free soloing).
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gobias
Jan 5, 2008, 10:06 PM
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i thought it was funny.
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mturner
Jan 6, 2008, 1:46 AM
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norsk wrote: mturner wrote: norsk wrote: At 11 moves into the climbing, he takes off his beanie. So, as I understand it, that makes the route twofold: an 11 move boulder problem followed immediately by a long free solo. WTF?! Since when is removing a beanie or any other sort of rest on the rock a requisite for calling a climb a free solo?! That's the lamest definition I have ever heard. whoa, easy there mturner...i was only trying to make a joke about boulderers wearing beanies (so therefore, once he removed the beanie he was no longer bouldering, and since he didn't have a rope he was free soloing).
oh.  My sincere apologies. Didn't catch the sarcasm or the joke...which is actually pretty funny.
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quiteatingmysteak
Jan 21, 2008, 11:12 PM
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mturner wrote: norsk wrote: mturner wrote: norsk wrote: At 11 moves into the climbing, he takes off his beanie. So, as I understand it, that makes the route twofold: an 11 move boulder problem followed immediately by a long free solo. WTF?! Since when is removing a beanie or any other sort of rest on the rock a requisite for calling a climb a free solo?! That's the lamest definition I have ever heard. whoa, easy there mturner...i was only trying to make a joke about boulderers wearing beanies (so therefore, once he removed the beanie he was no longer bouldering, and since he didn't have a rope he was free soloing). oh. My sincere apologies. Didn't catch the sarcasm or the joke...which is actually pretty funny.
You need to get your head examined... if you didn't see that one coming, life will have many quaint challenges.
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