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444rocks
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Eeny, meeny, miny, moo
Taunt the tiger at the zoo
If he gets out he might eat you
Eeny, meeny, miny, moo
My mother said
To eat the very meanest one
And you are it.
Old Macdonald had a zoo, E-I-E-I-O.
And in his zoo, he had a tiger, E-I-E-I-O.
With a ‘munch on the guy who teased me’ here
And a ‘munch on the guy who teased me’ there
Old Macdonald had a zoo, E-I-E-I-O
Must, Must, Eat the guys
The guys who taunted me
Merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily
Should have climbed a tree.
OK, ok, all jokes aside – We do not condone the torment of animals in captivity, and our hearts go out to the families of the victims. In honor of the fallen tiger, we are running Woodys Paw Prints. Non-toxic, non-slimy, UV protected urethane in the shape of a tiger paw print. Made with recycled climbing holds, these prints are fun to climb on and great practice for escaping wild animals that have been taunted …
Oh, yeah, select quantity 3 and we will ship you 4 – That’s right, a free Paw Print for buying 3. Colors vary, hardware included.
Supplies are limited so order quick before they are gone faster than a tiger’s dinner (no pun intended!)
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angry
Dec 30, 2007, 3:08 AM
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Dammit!!
I like woodys holds, yet I really want to bust your chops for advertising here.
Send me a box of ice cubes and I'll let it slide.
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CaptainPolution
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only you, douche
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carabiner96
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I couldn't read that far into it...
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climbingtrash
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Have no fear! The Holy Amazing Tiger-bat is here!!!
He will smite those tiger smiter's, not once, not twice, but thrice!
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epoch
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I want the minute of my life back.
Oh, and I'll never buy your product.
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boku
Dec 30, 2007, 6:33 AM
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444rocks wrote: ...Old Macdonald had...
Dyslexia. O-I-E-I-E.
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climbsomething
Dec 30, 2007, 6:35 AM
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And the winner of the WTF Award is...
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josephgdawson
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Tyger! Tyger! burning bright
In the forests of the night,
What immortal hand or eye
Could frame thy fearful symmetry?
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climbingtrash
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climbsomething wrote: And the winner of the WTF Award is...
Who-Who?!? *tap-tap-tap* I'm waiting...
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vegasguy
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Well I must be an asshole then. Didn't this tiger attack a child? Perhaps after being teased..Either way its a bummer. What sucks more is use of a "tragedy" too try and boost sales. Are any of the profits made from the tiger paw hold going to make its way to helping tigers?? If so the holds might make a little more sense or at least advertising about them might come off a little better.
Cheers
A
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climbrox391
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Worst
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al_piner
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climbrox391 wrote: Worst Post Ever
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jimo
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only the ones that you "meet" on rc.com - the romper room of the cyber climber...
you actually meant to try to boost sales with this garbage?before I caught on ( it took a while) I thought some dumbass kid who smokes way too much weed put his prose up to troll, but you actually try to run a business using these adverts? I think you're the asshole.
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philbox
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I was going to send this thread to the recycle bin but after seeing the other Owned thread I reckon that rc.com could also emulate the masters of ownage.
How about it rc.commers, how about some ownage.
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bent_gate
Dec 30, 2007, 10:18 PM
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Gimme his IP address and I'll track him down.
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foeslts16
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was going to say the same thing.^^^^
we have nothing to go on yet. no name, no website, no phone #.
maybe if his ip address was accidentally emailed to a few people - something would happen...
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philbox
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Ooooh, I so wanna release his IP address. I really gotta go check on what our policy on this is.
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bent_gate
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Alright, I got it. Here he is:
Christopher the Sex Offender
Yep, you mess around on this website, and you get caught!
You have been:
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philbox
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I had a quick look and couldn't find anything official preventingme from releasing the IP of this pest.
'67.142.130.39' I'm not gunna release any other info though. Over to you guys.
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philbox
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Here's some more public knowledge info.
Edit to say that Jay of dailyclimber seems to not be implicated in this latest spam. This site supports those who don't spam.
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Valarc
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I think you guys are confused - there are several different people/groups at work here...
There is a site called dailyclimber. On 12-29, dailyclimber listed the woody's pawprints for sale with the text listed in the original post.
http://dailyclimber.com/2007-12-29?via=feed
Dailyclimber has two RC.com posters that I know of, docajen, who is a moderator for the dailyclimber forum
http://www.rockclimbing.com/...i?username=docjacen;
and aja175, who runs dailyclimber.
http://www.rockclimbing.com/...cgi?username=aja175;
The guys from dailyclimber seem decent enough, and I've bought something from them before. They have been admonished in the past for advertising their sales on rc.com. They also have a tendency to write up amusing and sometimes mildly controversial product summaries for their deal-a-days.
The second group is woody's holds themselves.
http://woodysholds.com/
They briefly had an account on rc.com, woodysholds, but that account was deleted, for spamming the same link (a story on their website about a veggie bus climbing trip) to multiple forums. As far as I can tell, these guys are only marginally linked to the dailyclimber guys by the fact that they have carried some woody's holds items on the dailyclimber website.
Lastly, you have 444rocks, who started this thread. Since it is his first and only post on rc.com, I assumed he was simply someone who found the dailyclimber.com listing offensive and decided to post here to bitch about it - hence the "is every rock climber an asshole" title. I seriously doubt this person is in any way affiliated with either woody's holds or dailyclimber, since both of those companies have been very open about saying who they are in the past.
It's up to you to decide whether you find the dec 29 daily deal wording to be offensive, but I wouldn't make any accusations that either woody's or dailyclimber were spamming, at least not in this case.
My point in all of this? It seems like people are jonesing to go on a witchhunt here, and the meatbombz and whatnot will surely take over before they get a chance, but I figure it worth my while to make sure there's one post with some actual facts and not random noise.
Oh, and for folks who aren't aware of it, the owned thread is here:
http://www.rockclimbing.com/...rum.cgi?post=1771629
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bent_gate
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philbox wrote: I had a quick look and couldn't find anything official preventingme from releasing the IP of this pest. '67.142.130.39' I'm not gunna release any other info though. Over to you guys.
Well according to "Trace IP"
- That spammers IP address is located just South of St. Lois, Missouri.
(IP 67.142.130.39, Glenallen/Perryville/South St. Lois, MO)
-Dailyclimber,s IP address is located St. Lois, Missouri
(IP 208.78.99.211, St. Lois, MO)
-The same wording of the OP spam is from this daily climber page http://dailyclimber.com/2007-12-29
http://www.rockclimbing.com/...i?username=docjacen; profile lists his location as Missouri
So the wording from their webpage posted with a nasty title added. I don't know, maybe someone doesn't like them?
All I know is the previously listed sex offender
Christoper the Sex Offender
lives in the same town as the spammer.
Co-incidence?
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foeslts16
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Valarc wrote: My point in all of this? It seems like people are jonesing to go on a witchhunt here, and the meatbombz and whatnot will surely take over before they get a chance, but I figure it worth my while to make sure there's one post with some actual facts and not random noise.
No witchhunt here, it's really no mystery to track someone on internet - there is no such thing as privacy anymore. Make no mistake we will find out who the OP was - after that, all bets are off.
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fucking spam
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foeslts16
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the initial ip address (67.142.130.39) belongs to HUGHES NETWORK SYSTEMS:
IP address [?]: 67.142.130.39 (Copy)
IP address country: United States
IP address state: Illinois
IP address city: Murphysboro
IP postcode: 62966
IP address latitude: 37.767899
IP address longitude: -89.327499
ISP [?]: HUGHES NETWORK SYSTEMS
Organization: HUGHES NETWORK SYSTEMS
Host of this IP: [?]: dpc67142130039.direcpc.com
Local Time of this IP country: 2007-12-30 18:49
Asking h.root-servers.net for 39.130.142.67.in-addr.arpa PTR record:
h.root-servers.net says to go to indigo.arin.net. (zone: 67.in-addr.arpa.)
Asking indigo.arin.net. for 39.130.142.67.in-addr.arpa PTR record:
indigo.arin.net [192.31.80.32] says to go to NS2.DIRECPC.COM. (zone: 142.67.in-addr.arpa.)
Asking NS2.DIRECPC.COM. for 39.130.142.67.in-addr.arpa PTR record: Reports dpc67142130039.direcpc.com. [from 66.82.4.12]
Answer:
67.142.130.39 PTR record: dpc67142130039.direcpc.com. [TTL 86400s] [A=67.142.130.39]
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foeslts16 wrote: the initial ip address (67.142.130.39) belongs to HUGHES NETWORK SYSTEMS: IP address [?]: 67.142.130.39 (Copy) IP address country: United States IP address state: Illinois IP address city: Murphysboro IP postcode: 62966 IP address latitude: 37.767899 IP address longitude: -89.327499 ISP [?]: HUGHES NETWORK SYSTEMS Organization: HUGHES NETWORK SYSTEMS Host of this IP: [?]: dpc67142130039.direcpc.com Local Time of this IP country: 2007-12-30 18:49 Asking h.root-servers.net for 39.130.142.67.in-addr.arpa PTR record: h.root-servers.net says to go to indigo.arin.net. (zone: 67.in-addr.arpa.) Asking indigo.arin.net. for 39.130.142.67.in-addr.arpa PTR record: indigo.arin.net [192.31.80.32] says to go to NS2.DIRECPC.COM. (zone: 142.67.in-addr.arpa.) Asking NS2.DIRECPC.COM. for 39.130.142.67.in-addr.arpa PTR record: Reports dpc67142130039.direcpc.com. [from 66.82.4.12] Answer: 67.142.130.39 PTR record: dpc67142130039.direcpc.com. [TTL 86400s] [A=67.142.130.39]
I'll get the plane ready...
>Cam
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foeslts16
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i am only going if the plane has missiles, and i have to be able to shoot at least 1 or maybe 3 of them on the trip there. deal..................
i havent had the time to open the toolbox of goodies (ITgeek stuff) yet, but should have time tommorrow.
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philbox
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Witch hunt, moi, of course we want a witch hunt. Ya can't come here to this rock climbing site and call us "assholes". Nuh uh. No siree. We have been shown the way in that ownage thread and we have seen the light. Now if only we could track down Emanuella Fofana and her Nigerian friends, lemme guess, they live in Nigeria.
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holy shitstorm batman, this is like CSI. I am originally from MO, I'm sure the trip is not entirely necessary, just offer a bounty of a 12 pk of PBR for his head and you'll get results from those boys in Fenton.
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Not assholes, but apparently very bored.
What's for breakfast?
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foeslts16
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Information found, and emailed to philbox.
PM me for info.
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philbox
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I also got a message from Jay, from dailyclimber. He is definitely not the OP, I am going to edit one of my posts accordingly so as to not implicate him and his small company in any mess of someone elses making.
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is it the owner of woody's holds?
I thought he was in PA.
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dr_feelgood
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Zeke is an asshole... But i am not sure he really is a rock climber.
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aja175
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I checked with the guys at woodys. They didn't do this thread either. They're in SC, dailyclimber is in Buffalo.. Neither one anywhere near the IP of this dude.
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For such a sophisticated piece of technology/software, you would at least think it could spell "St. Lois" correctly.
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foeslts16
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I am in no way accusing the above mentioned websites.
I have collected data from a variety of reliable sources and put said data together. There was no guessing or inferences when gathering this data, if a direct connection could not be made it was not used.
This is where my part ends; I have given the results to a few people who have pm’ed me. Where it goes from here is up to you.
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aja175
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There really isn't enough info on that poster... A dynamic IP that belongs to a major ISP isn't going to do much for ya without a subpoena or a huge corporation that nobody wants to mess with (like a major international financial institution) behind you. There's no name, there's no domain listing, there's nothing but an IP that doesn't necessarily even belong to the same person anymore. If the ISP holds arp table entries when a modem disconnects, there's a good chance he still has the IP but if not - you guys are messing with someone that had nothing to do with anything.. If that kid on the other forum was actually a casualty of mistaken identity he'd have a hell of a libel and harassment case against a lot of people.
That other board found the info on that shitbag because of the whois record for his domain, not his IP address. They had the guys name, address, ph#, etc. The forum released a lot of personal info on the dude too, they confirmed his name, gave out his DOB, etc. That's a positive match for the kiddie fucker, and the guy is taking it WAY too well for it to not be him. The forum did what they did because they wanted the fame and notoriety that comes with having a thread like that. Not illegal, but I guarantee I won't ever start an ID on a forum that willing to give up its users, I seriously suggest nobody else does either.
That said -
I applaud the effort to own the poster, but please, be mindful of what you may be doing. As someone said, tracking someone down on the internet isn't difficult - as easily as you can get someone's IP and ICMP flood them, they can see where the attack is coming from. Spamming a forum is straight up douchebaggery, but DOS attacks are illegal.
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We have all that info, and ip address on its own is completely useless. 5 minutes on the net and you can find out that info.
As for the rest of yr post, completely wrong. That’s the info you get from a "google search" for "how can I get a name from an IP address" almost verbatim.
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I'm curious what is incorrect in that post? I don't want to get into a my geek card is bigger than your geek card debate, I'm really curious what is incorrect.
The "name" info that is public info is a host name, not necessarily the person using the IP. If the person owns a domain and an IP range, AND has reverse lookup configured on their DNS - then it may come back to them personally - but that's only if the person knows just enough to be dangerous, but not enough to really do it right.
There are other ways to find info.. identD, Netbios, unsecured services, etc.. That all depends on the end user.
In the case of a domain, you can get the name of the owner and technical contacts from public whois records. If the company hosts the domain themselves and you know how to do some other searches there is more info to be found, but a domain IP and a user IP are very different beasts.
With a public user IP, you can trace it all the way back to the persons router/modem (or proxy if they're smart), but unless you're doing some hacking that's as far as you're going to get. Even if you get past the router or firewall you won't necessarily get any info on the person if they're smart enough to not leave it on the machine. Most people think they're invisible and anonymous on the interwebs so they leave all kinds of stuff on their machine... In my case, go ahead... My porn collection and my tivo are in my DMZ. Have at it. :)
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We must talk if you have free porn, call me tommorrow at 303.346.4xxxxx
And by no way did I mean to imply that my geek card was bigger than yrs (unless they have been issuing new ones).
My disagreement is with your overall statement. There are about 16 levels of going about finding someone from an IP address: Examples of 3
1. Non-technical Route:
Jim Smith gets ip address uses ip look tools and finds network services provider. DEAD-END, without a subpoena .
2. Non-technical Route:
Jim knows that network services providers are required to submit certain info to other public governing agencies. With a lot of work Jim discovers a gold mine of info that is public information.
3. Technical Route - 1 day:
Full scale software retrieval of all public and private data pertaining to any activity from source within last 9 years. Raw data includes about 55000 pieces of information.
Patterns are now very clear.
And # 3 is only the beginning of the tools available to use. And we are not even talking about those tools that are in the Gray Area (those pushing the legal limits). Add 1 week, 3 IT guys and pushy paralegal and you can find out just about ANYTHING. And that’s doing it the legal way (no gray area software).
Normal everyday people are probably not going to be able to track down an individual ( I have been surprised by a few of my client’s abilities to find people that have messed with their servers - guess it depends how pissed off you are). Bottom line, it is easy to find reliable information if you know what you are doing.
Telling people that reliable information is inaccessible – is incorrect. Most of you would be shocked by how much information about you is collected. Your email can be easily read, and your surfing habits easy tracked and that’s just the beginning.
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A shiny new #4 Camalot to whomever can bring me the head of the OP!!!!!
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secretninja wrote: A shiny new #4 Camalot to whomever can bring me the head of the OP!!!!!
How about a 12 pack of beer??
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Ahh ok. I know what you're saying. I should have been more careful with my wording. It's not inaccessible, its just not easy to find without specific knowledge of various resources, and a lot of free time (or, a pushy paralegal). Social engineering mostly, shady but not illegal. Just gotta know who to call and what questions to ask.
Before I changed positions in the company we got calls like that all the time, but every one got stonewalled. If they want that info they should know who in the company to call already.
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Yeah, the reality is that most people's IP address changes on at least a weekly basis. If you have high speed (like myself), the ISP reasigns me a new IP address to my router every week via DHCP. That is pretty normal across ISPs. (for security reasons)
ISPs have a huge bank of IP addresses that they rotate across their users, so Googling an IP address will rarely yield any valuable information, unless it is a static IP address.
However doing a "Trace" of the IP address while it is being used will reveal the router hops that the person is using and terminate at the ISP router location that the user is using. Which is usually within 25 miles of the user. So it gives you a general area.
Beyond that, you have to contact the ISP for more specifics on who had that IP address.
Since that is not going to happen, I figured I would pull up the name of the closest sex offender within that 25 mile area. We might as well blame him...  Unfortunately, it is too late to win the 2007 Ownage of a Troll award...
(of course maybe phil could give us the email address of where the RC.com account confirmation was sent...  )
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aja175
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This guy wasn't spamming I don't think, he was offended by the copy on dailyclimber.
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bent_gate
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I agree. I don't think he was "spamming", in the sense of trying to sell or promote something. If he were, obviously he would have included where to buy or get whatever he was trying to promote. Nor would he create a title to insult the reader if he were trying promote something.
He was obviously trying to create trouble for you guys or do something he thought was funny.
But even if he is not a sex offender, it would be nice to get his address so I could send one of the local sex offenders over to his house...
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docjacen
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Glad to see y'all cleared me, I havent' been on in a few days. What a screwed up situation, eh?
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aja175
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Doc did it!
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Arrogant_Bastard
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CaptainPolution wrote: only you, douche
Yes, that is incorrect.
Zeke is also an asshole. Me? I'm more of a bastard.
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Arrogant_Bastard
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Arrogant_Bastard wrote: CaptainPolution wrote: only you, douche Yes, that is incorrect. Zeke is also an asshole. Me? I'm more of a bastard.
A bastard with a PTFTW!
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philbox
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I don't have access to the OP's email addy. 
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epoch
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Jan 2, 2008, 9:45 PM
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Arrogant_Bastard wrote: CaptainPolution wrote: only you, douche Yes, that is incorrect. Zeke is also an asshole. Me? I'm more of a bastard.
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microbarn
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epoch wrote: Arrogant_Bastard wrote: CaptainPolution wrote: only you, douche Yes, that is incorrect. Zeke is also an asshole. Me? I'm more of a bastard. I thought you were a greedy ass sucking granny douching shit eater. Oh, boy I'm confused now...
The confusion is mounting in my granny.
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aja175
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microbarn wrote: so he is a granny that sucks greedy ass and eats shit or a person that greedily sucks the ass of a douching granny that eats shit? The confusion is mounting in my granny.
wow
I thought I had a sick twisted mind.
My Liege!
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epoch
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microbarn wrote: epoch wrote: Arrogant_Bastard wrote: CaptainPolution wrote: only you, douche Yes, that is incorrect. Zeke is also an asshole. Me? I'm more of a bastard. I thought you were a greedy ass sucking granny douching shit eater. Oh, boy I'm confused now... so he is a granny that sucks greedy ass and eats shit or a person that greedily sucks the ass of a douching granny that eats shit? The confusion is mounting in my granny.
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aja175
Jan 5, 2008, 2:15 AM
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Hey, what happened to the torches and the pitch forks and the witch hunt?
So who posted it??
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bent_gate
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aja175 wrote: Hey, what happened to the torches and the pitch forks and the witch hunt? So who posted it??
Everyone has moved on to the next witch hunt/ownage
http://www.rockclimbing.com/...post=1774212#1774212
<Knieveltech> gets a private message from <epic90245>
knieveltech wrote: In reply to: your mother and sister are whores From: epic90245 Date Sent: Jan 3, 2008, 12:09 AM cheap ones. you son of a whore. Too random not to share.
Phil finds out who it is:
philbox wrote: epic90245 is a reincarnation of badsanta who is none other than James Wasser. Anyone wanna do an ownage on this guy, feel free to send him some trollage and ownage.
His history can be searched on but <A_B> gave an executive summary:
Arrogant_Bastard wrote: James Wasser the pedophile? Creeeeepeeee.
Which leads to his website
http://www.jameswasser.com/
and his picture:
But final graphical OWNAGE remains elusive!
2008 Ownage of the year is now open.
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chossmonkey
Jan 7, 2008, 1:41 AM
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huh?
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