I'm not trying to be morbid but I was wondering if there is a fatality database for climbing like there is for skydiving at the dropzone.com site. It's actually quite informative and helpful. I would like to know how most people die in this sport; whether it's from gear failure (what part of the gear?), human error, natural occurences, weather problems, etc...

edited for incorrect website.

Hmmm, thanks for the responses, it kind of helps. Maybe this forum can make an area for just discussing accidents, I know there is an area already for that but 95% of it is just injury prevention and discussion. I was thinking more like this http://www.dropzone.com/....cgi?forum=14;guest= where people are listing actual accidents that occur and how they may have been prevented. Learning from other people's mistakes and accidents is a great way to learn and hopefully prevent future accidents.

Once a month at my DZ we go over the previous month's accidents and discuss what went wrong and how it could be prevented. This has helped us all become aware of common mistakes and accidents that can be prevented.

I think we climbers need to preserve our own culture and traditions. We don't debrief, generally speaking. We drink instead.

We don't deliberate our deaths the way skyboys do.... that's too organized. We don't got no stinking certifications, no patches, no tallys, no badges.

I think an organized death forum would SUCK.

Keep it at dropzone.

DMT

I think we climbers need to preserve our own culture and traditions. We don't debrief, generally speaking. We drink instead.

We don't deliberate our deaths the way skyboys do.... that's too organized. We don't got no stinking certifications, no patches, no tallys, no badges.

I think an organized death forum would SUCK.

Keep it at dropzone.

DMT

Yeah, what was I thinking, safety education and discussion that has proven itself to lower accident rates while the # of participants increase by the thousands is a stupid idea. Learning from other people's mistakes is for pussies

I think we climbers need to preserve our own culture and traditions. We don't debrief, generally speaking. We drink instead.

We don't deliberate our deaths the way skyboys do.... that's too organized. We don't got no stinking certifications, no patches, no tallys, no badges.

I think an organized death forum would SUCK.

Keep it at dropzone.

DMT

Ah yes self-righteous sarcasm... you MUST be from dropzone hahahahahahaha!

Cheers dude (go ahead and start your Forum of the Dead!)
DMT

You are right, it was sarcastic but I don't see how it was self-righteous. You are the one sounding self-righteous and very pompous, speaking as if you speak for the entire rockclimbing community.

I know everything I need to know about climbing accidents, modes of gear failure, etc., without a death database.

If you're having trouble finding such information you're not trying very hard.

I have a feeling the above climber was actually making a serious reply he beleives. Wjile I'm sure the above attitude is becoming more common It is not ture with the previous generations in general

There's nothing wrong with accident analysis, I concur. I'm ex-Air Force. Accident analysis is a huge deal there as I'm sure you know. I of course acknowledge the value of proper analysis.

All that said? I STILL don't think rc.com should have such a forum. I don't think this group should emulate dropzone in ANY fashion whatsoever.

Since you know a lot please share some of your knowledge and educate us.

I thought that was your job. But ok, here's a tip, try to avoid stuff falling on your head.

Anything else you want to know?

How much would could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?

Proactive riposte: I've some wood right here for you to chuck!

Im pretty sure Dingus is from a previous generation.

And he is absolutely right, keep it at dropzone.

Okay, now we have a civilized discussion.

The first paragraph is the point that I'm trying to make; there is value, and imo a huge value, to accident analysis.

I also understand where you are coming from.

In small sports such as this, hearing about deaths is really just talking about your dead buddy...which is depressing. Trust me, I know all too well what it's like to go over an accident that involved one or more of your close friends. I totally respect you not wanting to wave the dirty laundry around so to speak buuuut some people still may benefit from it and if it keeps someone else from making the same mistake......

This is a recreational site. Its a place where climbers come to bullshit with other climbers. Making it into a *resource site*, making it ALL ABOUT BEING a resource site, is wrong imo.

The internet is one big resource so I don't see your point at all.

Why not keep records of deaths it could be helpful later. Say when a crag gets closed because climbing is dangerous. unless you show them otherwise we run the risk of possibly having places shut down. Because lawyers and others only see us when we are in the news.

Jesus Christ Mike!!, you are goddamn unlikeable.

Seriously, I want to hit you. You understand so little of the oral history of this sport it makes me sick. How long have you been climbing? 3 years?

I'll now slowly back away from the elitist, traditionalist tribe and hope that I don't get attacked by a bunch of skinny granola heads at the crag this weekend.

Peace.

I've been climbing for 3-6 months so obviously I know less than little of the "oral" history of this sport but that's my whole point, I want to learn more about preventing an accident ...

If you do not listen to me, you will be BBQ in RC by the end of next week.

Start your Forum of the Dead and do a few analysis threads. You will see what I mean soon enough.

G'day.

DMT

And thats worthy for a sig line

Yes he will. Especially of the majid variety.......

Speaking of trolling experts on accident mis-analysis now I'm curious what the bones are in the liver.

Anybody know the answer to that, liver bones, anyone?
Come one, its a major organ, it must have bones, right?

That is when the femur exits from a liver after a 500 feet fall. Seen one of these before?

I agree with what you said about a database being unnecessary for the noob's learning process...but there IS still 'morbid' curiosity, which isn't necessarily a bad thing. You're a mountaineer, do you read AINAM? If so, for what reason- is it 'morbid'? Just curious.

I would like to know how most people die in this sport; whether it's from gear failure (what part of the gear?), human error, natural occurences, weather problems, etc...

most of them die on impact...