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evanwish
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Lately I've been getting into leading offwidths (but only do short ones because of my current lack of big gear)
I've been curious about falling out of or down an offwidth/squeeze chim and what's the best way to prevent injury...
Anybody here taken a whipper in an offwidth and care to share?
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evanwish wrote: Lately I've been getting into leading offwidths (but only do short ones because of my current lack of big gear) I've been curious about falling out of or down an offwidth/squeeze chim and what's the best way to prevent injury... Anybody here taken a whipper in an offwidth and care to share?
Try leading short circuit
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majid_sabet wrote: evanwish wrote: Lately I've been getting into leading offwidths (but only do short ones because of my current lack of big gear) I've been curious about falling out of or down an offwidth/squeeze chim and what's the best way to prevent injury... Anybody here taken a whipper in an offwidth and care to share? Try leading short circuit
where at?
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Mar 23, 2008, 3:08 PM
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try to stay as close to the outside of the OW as possible so you can fall out of it instead of sliding down the inside.
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evanwish wrote: majid_sabet wrote: evanwish wrote: Lately I've been getting into leading offwidths (but only do short ones because of my current lack of big gear) I've been curious about falling out of or down an offwidth/squeeze chim and what's the best way to prevent injury... Anybody here taken a whipper in an offwidth and care to share? Try leading short circuit where at?
Short Circuit will teach you as much about offwidth climbing as geometry class taught you about punching hookers.
Majid either meant to say "Generator Crack" or he's on opium.
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I grew up in Wyoming. In my geometry class there were no opportunities to punch hookers. I realize that in some areas it might be more applicable.
My apologies to anyone who's needed to punch a hooker in geometry class.
Evan, as to falling in OW's.
Just make sure you don't kick the gear you're about to fall on out, it holds.
You observed that many offwidths are cabable of producing ugly falls. Yep. Once you're in gravity, there's not much you can do about that either.
You'll likely not whip in an OW, you'll just slide down to your highest piece very slowly. Almost James Bond shark tank style. It doesn't hurt, but those 2 feet you just spent 45 minutes to gain are gone in a matter of 45 seconds.
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I'm curious as to what point in our nation's history the "pimp slap" went out of fashion. I know that these days the blunt and simple "punch" is more direct (and effective). I'm guessing it has to do with the "no child left behind" manifest, ergo the removal of "pimp slapping" in geometry classes.
More to the point: Why are you [Evan] worried about falling? All that says to me is that you're not climbing hard enough. Get back on that horse young man and stand proud as you grind the skin off your exposed limbs.
Ah, but I digress. 'Tis Easter and the chocolate bunnies are affecting my brain.
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Best advice you will hear. Don't fall out of the offwidth and you won't get hurt.
RR
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jeff_m wrote: I'm curious as to what point in our nation's history the "pimp slap" went out of fashion. I know that these days the blunt and simple "punch" is more direct (and effective). I'm guessing it has to do with the "no child left behind" manifest, ergo the removal of "pimp slapping" in geometry classes. More to the point: Why are you [Evan] worried about falling? All that says to me is that you're not climbing hard enough. Get back on that horse young man and stand proud as you grind the skin off your exposed limbs. Ah, but I digress. 'Tis Easter and the chocolate bunnies are affecting my brain.
http://thosearentmuskets.com/sketches/thepimp.html
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In reply to: Don't fall out of the offwidth and you won't get hurt.
Not quite true; I've been limping around due to a lack of skin on my ankles, and I didn't fall. OWs hurt, period.
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You could just push a big cam in front of you, its like being on tr.
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Wow.......I honestly don't know what to say to that video...
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evanwish wrote: jeff_m wrote: Why are you [Evan] worried about falling? All that says to me is that you're not climbing hard enough. Get back on that horse young man and stand proud as you grind the skin off your exposed limbs. I took a nasty fall last august and literally shattered my ankle.. it's recovering and i've been back to leading but I'm just dying to lead some more offwidths!! so i've been having to top-rope them 
Glad you're on the mend and are ready to get back in there and suffer. I have developed an off-width mantra over time. It's simple, direct and sums up the experience:
"Aw, ow, fuck! Now what?!"
Use it well.
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angry wrote: You'll likely not whip in an OW, you'll just slide down to your highest piece very slowly. Almost James Bond shark tank style. It doesn't hurt, but those 2 feet you just spent 45 minutes to gain are gone in a matter of 45 seconds.
And the loss of those two feet and 45 minutes is real pain...
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angry wrote: jeff_m wrote: "Aw, ow, fuck! Now what?!" Sounds like date night
That's one of the inherent beauties of this particular mantra: works for off-widths, date nights, dental visits, or simply working in a cubicle.
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rangerrob wrote: Best advice you will hear. Don't fall out of the offwidth and you won't get hurt. RR
exactly what I was thinking
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CaptainPolution wrote: rangerrob wrote: Best advice you will hear. Don't fall out of the offwidth and you won't get hurt. RR exactly what I was thinking
but how does that push you to do better and climb harder??
or by "don't fall out" mean it's better to slide down through the offwidth/squeeze chim rather than come out of it?
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evanwish wrote: CaptainPolution wrote: rangerrob wrote: Best advice you will hear. Don't fall out of the offwidth and you won't get hurt. RR exactly what I was thinking but how does that push you to do better and climb harder?? or by "don't fall out" mean it's better to slide down through the offwidth/squeeze chim rather than come out of it?
how doesnt it? I suck at chimney and o.w. but I sure as hell dont plan on falling out of it. practice makes you better. start leading real rocks dog!
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evanwish wrote: CaptainPolution wrote: rangerrob wrote: Best advice you will hear. Don't fall out of the offwidth and you won't get hurt. RR exactly what I was thinking but how does that push you to do better and climb harder?? or by "don't fall out" mean it's better to slide down through the offwidth/squeeze chim rather than come out of it?
Offwidths are difficult to fall out of, per se. So if you do fall out, you've done something drastically wrong anyway (or you're on such a steep fatty that you should be used to falling by now).
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CaptainPolution wrote: evanwish wrote: CaptainPolution wrote: rangerrob wrote: Best advice you will hear. Don't fall out of the offwidth and you won't get hurt. RR exactly what I was thinking but how does that push you to do better and climb harder?? or by "don't fall out" mean it's better to slide down through the offwidth/squeeze chim rather than come out of it? how doesnt it? I suck at chimney and o.w. but I sure as hell dont plan on falling out of it. practice makes you better. start leading real rocks dog!
so far the biggest piece of gear i have is the #5 BD so i've only been leading offwidths of the stacked hands and knee lock size..
Everything wider than that i've had to top rope..
i got my knee stuck in the rock once while leading an OW. I jamed in my calf so i could move the hand stack and also get a nice no hand rest but somehow i couldnt' get my knee back out... it took at least 10 minutes to get free... :/
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evanwish wrote: CaptainPolution wrote: evanwish wrote: CaptainPolution wrote: rangerrob wrote: Best advice you will hear. Don't fall out of the offwidth and you won't get hurt. RR exactly what I was thinking but how does that push you to do better and climb harder?? or by "don't fall out" mean it's better to slide down through the offwidth/squeeze chim rather than come out of it? how doesnt it? I suck at chimney and o.w. but I sure as hell dont plan on falling out of it. practice makes you better. start leading real rocks dog! the biggest piece of gear i have is the #5 BD so i've only been leading offwidths of the stacked hands and knee lock size.. Everything wider than that i've had to top rope.. i got my knee stuck in the rock once while leading an OW. I jamed in my calf so i could move the hand stack and also get a nice no hand rest but somehow i couldnt' get my knee back out... it took at least 10 minutes to get free... :/
I could name 10 OW's off the top of my head that don't require gear bigger than a #4, and could probably name at least 50 given time to think about it that are in your local neck of the woods.
I don't think the gear is your issue here.
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Evan,
Think about typical body position in a squeeze chimney....all of it is in.
You aren't going to fall out. Do you really need to protect a bunch of moves you aren't going to fall out on? Answer with your practical side, not the neurotic I could fall at any moment side.
Chimneys are easy. Anyone who argues different is wrong. Look at the Harding Slot on Astroman. 11b for that pitch. The 5.11 is all in the tight hands to enter the chimney, once in, it's maybe 5.9. You're well protected by .75's for the crux and after that it's casual.
Are 20, 30, 40, and 50 foot runouts scary? Yes a little. Look around for nut placements inside the chimney, don't stress the gear though, climb smoothly, and keep moving.
Don't listen to CaptainPolution, he's talking out his ass.
I've fallen out of offwidths a lot. Just like all climbing, you've got to know when it's ok.
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salamanizer wrote: evanwish wrote: CaptainPolution wrote: evanwish wrote: CaptainPolution wrote: rangerrob wrote: Best advice you will hear. Don't fall out of the offwidth and you won't get hurt. RR exactly what I was thinking but how does that push you to do better and climb harder?? or by "don't fall out" mean it's better to slide down through the offwidth/squeeze chim rather than come out of it? how doesnt it? I suck at chimney and o.w. but I sure as hell dont plan on falling out of it. practice makes you better. start leading real rocks dog! the biggest piece of gear i have is the #5 BD so i've only been leading offwidths of the stacked hands and knee lock size.. Everything wider than that i've had to top rope.. i got my knee stuck in the rock once while leading an OW. I jamed in my calf so i could move the hand stack and also get a nice no hand rest but somehow i couldnt' get my knee back out... it took at least 10 minutes to get free... :/ I could name 10 OW's off the top of my head that don't require gear bigger than a #4, and could probably name at least 50 given time to think about it that are in your local neck of the woods. I don't think the gear is your issue here.
hey salamanizer it's Evan from granite arch (the dude who climbs with Matt sometimes)
yeah i've just been doing all the one's at cosumnes, but i really need to get out and find some more around here or tahoe...
Angry:
Yeah that's great advice i'll definately take to heart... and i guess you're right, can't fall out if all the way in. (and it's not falling from hand stacks that i was worried about)
thanks :)
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your mama is talking out her ass!
you are right though. im a total n00b and I have no idea even how to set up a top rope! I wish all of the keyboard climbers would answer my every question!
oh keyboard gods, please grace me with your presence!
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evanwish wrote: salamanizer wrote: evanwish wrote: CaptainPolution wrote: evanwish wrote: CaptainPolution wrote: rangerrob wrote: Best advice you will hear. Don't fall out of the offwidth and you won't get hurt. RR exactly what I was thinking but how does that push you to do better and climb harder?? or by "don't fall out" mean it's better to slide down through the offwidth/squeeze chim rather than come out of it? how doesnt it? I suck at chimney and o.w. but I sure as hell dont plan on falling out of it. practice makes you better. start leading real rocks dog! the biggest piece of gear i have is the #5 BD so i've only been leading offwidths of the stacked hands and knee lock size.. Everything wider than that i've had to top rope.. i got my knee stuck in the rock once while leading an OW. I jamed in my calf so i could move the hand stack and also get a nice no hand rest but somehow i couldnt' get my knee back out... it took at least 10 minutes to get free... :/ I could name 10 OW's off the top of my head that don't require gear bigger than a #4, and could probably name at least 50 given time to think about it that are in your local neck of the woods. I don't think the gear is your issue here. hey salamanizer it's Evan from granite arch (the dude who climbs with Matt sometimes) yeah i've just been doing all the one's at cosumnes, but i really need to get out and find some more around here or tahoe... Angry: Yeah that's great advice i'll definately take to heart... and i guess you're right, can't fall out if all the way in. (and it's not falling from hand stacks that i was worried about) thanks :)
cosumness is rotting your mind man. dont be using my name around here either, Im afraid some people on this board will try and stalk me.
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evanwish wrote: but how does that push you to do better and climb harder??
Not falling=climbing harder
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dobson wrote: Not quite true; I've been limping around due to a lack of skin on my ankles, and I didn't fall. OWs hurt, period.
Ah, another newbie that forgot to tape his ankles.
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Captain polution is a worthless computer climber that comes into the gym and gets shut down of easy 9's, don't take his advise or u won't ever progress to the higher standards of forum keyboard climbers. Stitch everything up like it's your mommas gaping giblets.
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Yesterday i did "Self Abuse" at Sugarloaf and it was a really great route, i would have felt a little more protected if i had another #5 or a #6...
that climb hurt so good, i now have scars on my ankles, knees and elbows.. (i think i'm progressing!)
we also tried some chimney but 50 feet up ended up with a ~fifteen foot 12" crack. We ended up downclimbing because we didn't feel safe enough..
i think i might bring myself to buy some big-bro's.... 
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n00b. you need to cover your whole body in tape so you don't get any boo boos :(:(:(:( wahwahwahwahwahwah
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yeah im into them already. But I know to tape my ankles haahaha. long pants and socks seem to work though
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CaptainPolution wrote: yeah im into them already. But I know to tape my ankles haahaha. long pants and socks seem to work though
Couldn't you just get high tops?
That's what everybody out here does.
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petsfed wrote: CaptainPolution wrote: yeah im into them already. But I know to tape my ankles haahaha. long pants and socks seem to work though Couldn't you just get high tops? That's what everybody out here does.
where do you get those??
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evanwish wrote: petsfed wrote: CaptainPolution wrote: yeah im into them already. But I know to tape my ankles haahaha. long pants and socks seem to work though Couldn't you just get high tops? That's what everybody out here does. where do you get those??
the mountain shop in the valley has some. and east side sports or wilsons or whatever in bishop has some.
and to the other dude. I dont pay retail for shoes and I cant get any high tops.if i find some ill get em.
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Acopa JBs if you want them new.
Sierra trading post still has LS megas for CHEAP if you've got the right size foot.
Or ask angry about his shoes.
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petsfed wrote: Acopa JBs if you want them new. Sierra trading post still has LS megas for CHEAP if you've got the right size foot. Or ask angry about his shoes.
I see a point in asking since he probably has 100 year old shoes. oldie mc oldman
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CaptainPolution wrote: petsfed wrote: Acopa JBs if you want them new. Sierra trading post still has LS megas for CHEAP if you've got the right size foot. Or ask angry about his shoes. I see a point in asking since he probably has 100 year old shoes. oldie mc oldman
I think I found a grey hair this morning. That'd be cool if it was from a cougar who is nightly ravaging me, but that's not the case.
My balls are wrinkled.
You can see my scalp through my thinning hair.
I have a pair of Lowa Hummingbirds, La Sportiva Mariachurs, Scarpa Generator, La Sportiva Mega, and a high top so new that even Captain Planet hasn't seen it.
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evanwish wrote: I've been curious about falling out of or down an offwidth/squeeze chim and what's the best way to prevent injury...
Two ways to prevent injury: Get a bigger rack. Climb with someone who has a bigger rack.
And, yes, high-tops (duh!). I use Megas resoled with Stealth C4.
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CaptainPolution wrote: oh keyboard gods, please grace me with your presence!
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boo!!! sierratradingpost only has the megas in small sizes...but what a deal!
matt.
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