|
|
|
|
QSNelson
Apr 3, 2008, 11:59 AM
Post #1 of 37
(19799 views)
Shortcut
Registered: Apr 3, 2008
Posts: 56
|
Hey guys just wanted to pop in and say hi, both myself and my long time girlfriend are looking to get into climbing her for the first time me with limited experience. Got a few gear questions on some package deals. I'm looking to pick up the bare essentials for both herself and me(harness,carabiners, belay device, and shoes for her) Just from looking around google I saw the Bufo starter package which includes pretty much everything I mentioned above with the bonus that I can get a package with shoes for her and without shoes for me. Do you guys have any past experience with Bufo's gear? Things like durability, comfort, fit, etc? Any other alternatives around the same price range that are better? On a more specific note, shoes. I have a pair of barely worn Defy EVOLV's from before, but they seem a little snug(knuckling)around my toes. I know these are synthetic uppers will they stretch out a bit or should I pick up new ones?I think I can probly get away with just pulling the backs off in between climbing/belaying. Also with my girlfriend would the shoes included in the Bufo package be suitable for her? I know she is a beginner so a basic shoe is fine I'm just wonder if we should get a women specific shoe or not. The ones she is looking at are the Spider's and the V-Machines. Sorry I know a lot of questions, thanks for the read. PS: Heres the Bufo link to what were looking at http://www.rockshoes.com/packages.asp
|
|
|
|
|
WVUCLMBR
Apr 3, 2008, 12:48 PM
Post #2 of 37
(19769 views)
Shortcut
Registered: Sep 20, 2007
Posts: 668
|
Ok...I'm in a good mood this morning so I'm gonna reply so that the other 40 people who are gonna read this and wanna flame you won't waste their time. 1. NEVER buy shoes except in person. The exception being if you are replacing same shoes or have tried on and definately know your size. 2. I didn't even waste my time looking at that package deal link. You need to go to your local gear shop. You need to try stuff on....everything. 3. You are about to spend a crap-load of loot. You think "Hey, I found a sweet deal on climbing gear, we should try rockclimbing". So one of three things is gonna happen. Either you will buy cheap gear and never really get into it, or you will have to replace said cheap gear in a year or two if you do get into climbing, or you will buy good gear and not have to worry about replacing/upgrading. 4. Take a class/hire a guide. Do you know anything about anchors/toprope setups? The "knuckling" you are experiencing in your shoes is kinda like how your toes curl up when your "biner's around a tree" setup fails. 5. SEARCH THE THREADS ALREADY ON HERE. IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION, SOMEONE PROBABLY ALREADY ASKED IT.
|
|
|
|
|
QSNelson
Apr 3, 2008, 1:41 PM
Post #3 of 37
(19740 views)
Shortcut
Registered: Apr 3, 2008
Posts: 56
|
WVUCLMBR wrote: Ok...I'm in a good mood this morning so I'm gonna reply so that the other 40 people who are gonna read this and wanna flame you won't waste their time. 1. NEVER buy shoes except in person. The exception being if you are replacing same shoes or have tried on and definately know your size. 2. I didn't even waste my time looking at that package deal link. You need to go to your local gear shop. You need to try stuff on....everything. 3. You are about to spend a crap-load of loot. You think "Hey, I found a sweet deal on climbing gear, we should try rockclimbing". So one of three things is gonna happen. Either you will buy cheap gear and never really get into it, or you will have to replace said cheap gear in a year or two if you do get into climbing, or you will buy good gear and not have to worry about replacing/upgrading. 4. Take a class/hire a guide. Do you know anything about anchors/toprope setups? The "knuckling" you are experiencing in your shoes is kinda like how your toes curl up when your "biner's around a tree" setup fails. 5. SEARCH THE THREADS ALREADY ON HERE. IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION, SOMEONE PROBABLY ALREADY ASKED IT. Thank you for the reply to 1. and 2. As for number 3 this is not a spur of the moment "Hey the local sports shop is having a sale lets do that" situation and for you to assume that is with no knowledge of me, my girlfriend, or the situation is rather insulting and naive on you part. The package deals I listed (if you had even bothered to click the link) are priced very similar to what my local rock gym sells the same items at so I don't see how I'm throwing away my money here.You didn't even bother to answer my queston about foot wear applying towards her, either because you didnt know or were to busy trying to act like some elitest dick. I never said I had and great amount of experience other then the limited experience that I have gotten from climbing in a gym for a few months. I am belay certified in both the gym in Va Beach and midlothian so I know the basics and thats about it. Honestly If you could take the time to come in here and rant and rave and try to flex your forum thug muscles then you could have taken the time to answer my questions better or provided more useful information. If replying to questions in the BEGINNERS THREAD about newbie questions puts you in such a "bad" mood how about not replying and not wasting both your and my time?
|
|
|
|
|
shoo
Apr 3, 2008, 1:50 PM
Post #4 of 37
(19727 views)
Shortcut
Registered: Dec 22, 2006
Posts: 1501
|
There's a search function on this site. Please use it. There's an FAQ and about a thousand or so other threads with the exact same question as yours. We try to keep these forums clean so we aren't answering the same questions over and over again. I understand you are eager to learn, but do it the right way. 1. Search before you post. 2. Get a guide and/or a mentor to teach you in person.
|
|
|
|
|
QSNelson
Apr 3, 2008, 1:55 PM
Post #5 of 37
(19718 views)
Shortcut
Registered: Apr 3, 2008
Posts: 56
|
shoo wrote: There's a search function on this site. Please use it. There's an FAQ and about a thousand or so other threads with the exact same question as yours. We try to keep these forums clean so we aren't answering the same questions over and over again. I understand you are eager to learn, but do it the right way. 1. Search before you post. 2. Get a guide and/or a mentor to teach you in person. Thanks will do, also thank you for showing the right way to make this point instead of the way it was presented above in post #2.
|
|
|
|
|
WVUCLMBR
Apr 3, 2008, 2:33 PM
Post #6 of 37
(19679 views)
Shortcut
Registered: Sep 20, 2007
Posts: 668
|
You should search all the other "hey I'm a beginner" threads and see what they were told.....I was being nice to you. If the prices of that package are the same as your local gym why the hell are you buying online and not supporting your local shop? As far as her footware goes my wife has 3 pairs of shoes she wears based on what climbing we are doing. If she is just climbing moderates than just get her something comfy. And a year from now when you will realize that I was just giving you the same basic rc.com advice that has been given 100 times and was not being an "elitest dick". And I didn't know you were belay certified in 2 gyms. That changes everything.
|
|
|
|
|
granite_grrl
Apr 3, 2008, 3:18 PM
Post #7 of 37
(19637 views)
Shortcut
Registered: Oct 25, 2002
Posts: 15084
|
All Bufos that I've seen seem to be very very wide shoes. Translation - they'll fit most women like shit. But you never know, if your lady has a wide foot they might work for her.
|
|
|
|
|
Valarc
Apr 3, 2008, 3:28 PM
Post #8 of 37
(19623 views)
Shortcut
Registered: Apr 20, 2007
Posts: 1473
|
QSNelson wrote: You didn't even bother to answer my queston about foot wear applying towards her, either because you didnt know or were to busy trying to act like some elitest dick. ... If replying to questions in the BEGINNERS THREAD about newbie questions puts you in such a "bad" mood how about not replying and not wasting both your and my time? If you think that was a bad mood, I have one simple bit of advice for you. Leave. Now. Log off and never come back to rockclimbing.com. If you are that butt-hurt over WVU's very constructive post, you will be crying like a little bitch with a skinned knee when the nastier elements of this site start chiming in. And just so you don't cry that I'm not offering any constructive advice - skip the Bufo shoes. They are worthless gym shoes, built solely for durability and with no performance at all. Get yourself whatever cheap non-bufo shoes you can find that fit pretty decently (are snug but not painful) and have at it. You are going to utterly destroy your first pair of shoes because your footwork will suck, so save the ridiculously tight and expensive shoes for your next pair. A harness, however, will last you quite a while. You probably want to actually hang in your harness for a while and see how it fits you before you buy it. Don't skimp here - if the insanely expensive petzl is more comfortable, go with that one. If you can't feel a difference between that and the singing rock, then save your money.
(This post was edited by Valarc on Apr 3, 2008, 3:31 PM)
|
|
|
|
|
armsrforclimbing
Apr 3, 2008, 3:32 PM
Post #9 of 37
(19609 views)
Shortcut
Registered: Feb 11, 2004
Posts: 214
|
Long-time girlfriend huh? Forget about shoes, when are you going to get her the gear that she wants (i.e. wedding ring)?
|
|
|
|
|
Gmburns2000
Apr 3, 2008, 3:41 PM
Post #10 of 37
(19594 views)
Shortcut
Registered: Mar 6, 2007
Posts: 15266
|
armsrforclimbing wrote: Long-time girlfriend huh? Forget about shoes, when are you going to get her the gear that she wants (i.e. wedding ring)? And women don't want to bought for sex. Riiiighhht.
|
|
|
|
|
WVUCLMBR
Apr 3, 2008, 3:49 PM
Post #11 of 37
(19578 views)
Shortcut
Registered: Sep 20, 2007
Posts: 668
|
The thing he needs to be asking is which belay device he should be using. Then he needs to ask us which rope he should buy. Then Majid will need to explain anchors to him with the use of red and green arrows. Also, he is gonna need a pack to carry all that fancy new gear in....which one should he get? Crap, the new shoes he bought of gear4n00bs.com don't fit just right....is there a way he can stretch them? The sharp rock hurts his gf's hands.....is there any way to make her fingers tougher? When climbing outside, whom do you see to get your belay certification? I found some used gear on e-bay...do you think it is ok to buy it?
|
|
|
|
|
tedman
Apr 3, 2008, 3:50 PM
Post #12 of 37
(19575 views)
Shortcut
Registered: Sep 5, 2007
Posts: 237
|
go to shop a shop and hang in the harnesses you are looking at for 5 mins each. any respectable climbing shop will have a rope setup where you can do this. the same goes for shoes. try em on, stomp around in em in the store for a bit. Synthetics wont stretch, leathers will, but get em snug, but not painful (save that for your next pair of shoes). As soon as climbing gear leaves the store, it is generally not returnable. This is why its so crucial to get the right stuff the first time, not to mention it'l just be more comfortable. And it isnt terrible to get expensive comfortable shoes the first time around. yes you will thrash them, but you can get them resoled for around 30$. So you wont have to trash that 120$ pair of Sportiva Mythos (soooo comfy, my first shoe) after a year or two, just get em fixed! and yes you are generally right about the 'eliteist assholes'. people are here flame the living shit out of eachother, so given the chance to yell 'DO A SEARCH YOU F'ING NOOOOOOB', most of em will jump at it. You know the deal, they were razzed when they got here, so they feel they must pay it forward;-). There is alot of info here, but you need thick skin if you are going to try to contribute! welcome to the board;-).
|
|
|
|
|
shockabuku
Apr 3, 2008, 3:54 PM
Post #13 of 37
(19568 views)
Shortcut
Registered: May 20, 2006
Posts: 4868
|
QSNelson wrote: Hey guys just wanted to pop in and say hi, both myself and my long time girlfriend are looking to get into climbing her for the first time me with limited experience. Have you no pride? I would never admit that.
|
|
|
|
|
no_email_entered
Apr 3, 2008, 4:34 PM
Post #15 of 37
(19519 views)
Shortcut
Registered: Feb 1, 2008
Posts: 558
|
QSNelson wrote: Got a few gear questions on some package deals. wow a whole lotta blah blah blah in answer to your question. yes support your local gear shop---they will have a climbing package deal [if they dont then they prolly dont specialize in climbing and will most likely be giving you bs advice about what you need]. no you dont need to go try on harnesses neither just get ones that fit around your waists. you aint gonna notice the difference when your beginning top roping. by the time you feel that your harness is inadequit you will know what you want and will be able to make up your own mind. shoes though you gotta try on. BD [black diamond] momentum package or the ABC are both perfect affordable packages. again your local gear shop will most likely carry one of them. as to Bufo do a search and see what others have said about the shoes [no sense in buyin something you have to replace in a month in my opinion].
|
|
|
|
|
keegan540
Apr 3, 2008, 4:57 PM
Post #16 of 37
(19489 views)
Shortcut
Registered: Apr 3, 2006
Posts: 54
|
Make sure you get a package that comes with a bolt gun. It makes the anchors a lot easier to set up.
|
|
|
|
|
hopperhopper
Apr 3, 2008, 9:30 PM
Post #17 of 37
(19391 views)
Shortcut
Registered: Jun 29, 2007
Posts: 475
|
keegan540 wrote: Make sure you get a package that comes with a bolt gun. It makes the anchors a lot easier to set up. lulz
|
|
|
|
|
curt
Apr 4, 2008, 6:30 AM
Post #18 of 37
(19320 views)
Shortcut
Registered: Aug 27, 2002
Posts: 18275
|
Valarc wrote: QSNelson wrote: You didn't even bother to answer my queston about foot wear applying towards her, either because you didnt know or were to busy trying to act like some elitest dick. ... If replying to questions in the BEGINNERS THREAD about newbie questions puts you in such a "bad" mood how about not replying and not wasting both your and my time? If you think that was a bad mood, I have one simple bit of advice for you. Leave. Now. Log off and never come back to rockclimbing.com. If you are that butt-hurt over WVU's very constructive post, you will be crying like a little bitch with a skinned knee when the nastier elements of this site start chiming in... Like who? Curt
|
|
|
|
|
QSNelson
Apr 4, 2008, 9:58 AM
Post #19 of 37
(19288 views)
Shortcut
Registered: Apr 3, 2008
Posts: 56
|
tedman wrote: go to shop a shop and hang in the harnesses you are looking at for 5 mins each. any respectable climbing shop will have a rope setup where you can do this. the same goes for shoes. try em on, stomp around in em in the store for a bit. Synthetics wont stretch, leathers will, but get em snug, but not painful (save that for your next pair of shoes). As soon as climbing gear leaves the store, it is generally not returnable. This is why its so crucial to get the right stuff the first time, not to mention it'l just be more comfortable. And it isnt terrible to get expensive comfortable shoes the first time around. yes you will thrash them, but you can get them resoled for around 30$. So you wont have to trash that 120$ pair of Sportiva Mythos (soooo comfy, my first shoe) after a year or two, just get em fixed! welcome to the board;-). I'll look into the harness thing when I go to the gym's store this weekend. As far as the shoes I know the Defy's arn't "suppose" to stretch but from the reviews I'm reading both on this site and others they do seem to stretch some what so i'll keep my fingers crossed, there not that far off in size just a little too snug around the toes which is fine when I'm climbing i'll just have to rock the flip flops the rest of the time.
no_email_entered wrote: wow a whole lotta blah blah blah in answer to your question. yes support your local gear shop---they will have a climbing package deal [if they dont then they prolly dont specialize in climbing and will most likely be giving you bs advice about what you need]. no you dont need to go try on harnesses neither just get ones that fit around your waists. you aint gonna notice the difference when your beginning top roping. by the time you feel that your harness is inadequit you will know what you want and will be able to make up your own mind. shoes though you gotta try on. BD [black diamond] momentum package or the ABC are both perfect affordable packages. again your local gear shop will most likely carry one of them. as to Bufo do a search and see what others have said about the shoes [no sense in buyin something you have to replace in a month in my opinion]. I think we're going to just going to buy her shoes seperate from the rest of the items because from what people are telling me she needs a womens specific shoe for how narrow her feet are. I'll look into the rest of the package sets later I think for now were just gonna take it slow and start off with the shoes and lots of bouldering.
|
|
|
|
|
WVUCLMBR
Apr 4, 2008, 1:39 PM
Post #20 of 37
(19254 views)
Shortcut
Registered: Sep 20, 2007
Posts: 668
|
Ohhhhh....mostly bouldering. So you will need shoes, mattress, bong.
|
|
|
|
|
no_email_entered
Apr 4, 2008, 2:05 PM
Post #22 of 37
(19238 views)
Shortcut
Registered: Feb 1, 2008
Posts: 558
|
and beanie
|
|
|
|
|
Johnny_Fang
Apr 4, 2008, 2:10 PM
Post #23 of 37
(19235 views)
Shortcut
Registered: Nov 19, 2006
Posts: 289
|
The dicks on here aren't elitist, they're juvenile. And the ones with thousands of posts probably lack social skills. If you asked them face to face, "Should I get this package deal?," they would respond, "uh, I don't know..." and then go back to biting their nails and picking at acne. Online, it's "STFU n00b! Why would you dare to ask me, experienced hardman, such a beginner's question, especially in the BEGINNERz forum??? Leave now before I go shirt-off and beanie-on and pull down on your AZZ!!11!1"
|
|
|
|
|
BlueDude13
Apr 4, 2008, 2:13 PM
Post #24 of 37
(19232 views)
Shortcut
Registered: Mar 17, 2008
Posts: 40
|
Yup.
|
|
|
|
|
WVUCLMBR
Apr 4, 2008, 2:26 PM
Post #25 of 37
(19224 views)
Shortcut
Registered: Sep 20, 2007
Posts: 668
|
Yes, you will be needing a bong and an atc-sport. As far as beanies go, make sure you get one rated to at least V5. Otherwise you will just have to upgrade down the road. Also, your g/f is gonna have to stop shaving her pits.
|
|
|
|
|
jamincan
Apr 4, 2008, 3:25 PM
Post #26 of 37
(1327 views)
Shortcut
Registered: Nov 1, 2007
Posts: 207
|
QSNelson wrote: As far as the shoes I know the Defy's arn't "suppose" to stretch but from the reviews I'm reading both on this site and others they do seem to stretch some what so i'll keep my fingers crossed, there not that far off in size just a little too snug around the toes which is fine when I'm climbing i'll just have to rock the flip flops the rest of the time. On the plus side, your shoes won't get rank nearly as quickly.
|
|
|
|
|
QSNelson
Apr 4, 2008, 7:50 PM
Post #27 of 37
(1274 views)
Shortcut
Registered: Apr 3, 2008
Posts: 56
|
WVUCLMBR wrote: Yes, you will be needing a bong and an atc-sport. As far as beanies go, make sure you get one rated to at least V5. Otherwise you will just have to upgrade down the road. Also, your g/f is gonna have to stop shaving her pits. Im going to go ahead and assume this is an inside joke.
|
|
|
|
|
BlueDude13
Apr 4, 2008, 8:03 PM
Post #28 of 37
(1271 views)
Shortcut
Registered: Mar 17, 2008
Posts: 40
|
Good call.
|
|
|
|
|
shockabuku
Apr 4, 2008, 8:29 PM
Post #29 of 37
(1260 views)
Shortcut
Registered: May 20, 2006
Posts: 4868
|
QSNelson wrote: WVUCLMBR wrote: Yes, you will be needing a bong and an atc-sport. As far as beanies go, make sure you get one rated to at least V5. Otherwise you will just have to upgrade down the road. Also, your g/f is gonna have to stop shaving her pits. Im going to go ahead and assume this is an inside joke. It's a stereotype. I take it you find stereotypes funny?
|
|
|
|
|
jt512
Apr 4, 2008, 8:40 PM
Post #30 of 37
(1255 views)
Shortcut
Registered: Apr 12, 2001
Posts: 21904
|
QSNelson wrote: ... both myself and my long time girlfriend are looking to get into climbing her for the first time me with limited experience. You must be pretty frustrated. Your first time will likely be awkward. Don't worry; it gets better with experience. Jay
|
|
|
|
|
QSNelson
Apr 4, 2008, 9:07 PM
Post #31 of 37
(1246 views)
Shortcut
Registered: Apr 3, 2008
Posts: 56
|
jt512 wrote: QSNelson wrote: ... both myself and my long time girlfriend are looking to get into climbing her for the first time me with limited experience. You must be pretty frustrated. Your first time will likely be awkward. Don't worry; it gets better with experience. Jay Ha. I just noticed that. I think I'm going to leave it that way just for a laugh
|
|
|
|
|
AlexCV
Apr 4, 2008, 11:00 PM
Post #32 of 37
(1230 views)
Shortcut
Registered: Jan 25, 2008
Posts: 283
|
QSNelson wrote: Ha. I just noticed that. I think I'm going to leave it that way just for a laugh Good, a sense of humor is useful around here. For the original topic, the basic equipment doesn't matter that much. Harnesses should fit snugly but in the gym "comfort" is optional, if you plan on spending tons of time climbing (and falling) you'll want to hang in the harness in a shop. Reviews are of limited use here, comfort is subjective. Shoes are even worse, size is make dependent (I'm anywhere between a size 7 to a size 9 depending on models) and the fit on your feet is even harder to gauge. I budget 3-4 hours to buy a new model and I try just about everything in the store in 3 sizes. The kit you found is nothing special, I know my local climbing shop has a better deal put together at the same price point. The BD package is also usually the same price around here. And my experience with Bufo shoes has mostly been confined to the "Unbreakable" series as that's what the local gym uses in its rental fleet, for obvious reason...
|
|
|
|
|
regularjohn
Apr 5, 2008, 12:11 PM
Post #33 of 37
(1166 views)
Shortcut
Registered: Mar 24, 2008
Posts: 18
|
coming back to the original post, in case you're still thinking about buying bufo spiders: i bought a pair of spider velcros recently and i do like them. the sole is fairly soft, better for friction than for small ledges. they will fit well if your big toe is your longest toe. also, opposed to previous post, i'd say they are rather slim shoes. (i usually climb in sportiva katanas and those are slim as well). can't tell you anything about durability though, only just bought them. lastly, i bought them germany, and as they are czech shoes, they are pretty cheap around here. i wouldn't spend a lot of money on them. good luck!
|
|
|
|
|
the_leech
Apr 5, 2008, 8:43 PM
Post #34 of 37
(1124 views)
Shortcut
Registered: Feb 8, 2007
Posts: 392
|
QSNelson wrote: WVUCLMBR wrote: Yes, you will be needing a bong and an atc-sport. As far as beanies go, make sure you get one rated to at least V5. Otherwise you will just have to upgrade down the road. Also, your g/f is gonna have to stop shaving her pits. Im going to go ahead and assume this is an inside joke. You'll get it in a few years. Much sooner if you're a fast learner.
|
|
|
|
|
QSNelson
Apr 7, 2008, 12:10 PM
Post #35 of 37
(1005 views)
Shortcut
Registered: Apr 3, 2008
Posts: 56
|
Update for those who car. We ended up going to REI and got her to try some things on. It was a good thing too because we got a nice deal on shoes for her, a pair of EVOLV Elektra's for 29.99 because they only had two sizes left, luckly one of them was hers. As for harness I'm glad we went and her try them on because most of the womens XS were still too big for her waist so we ended up getting her a Petzl Luna which goes down to 23inchs in the waist. Overall I'm happy with what we got her and the prices that we got them for.
|
|
|
|
|
WVUCLMBR
Apr 7, 2008, 12:18 PM
Post #36 of 37
(1004 views)
Shortcut
Registered: Sep 20, 2007
Posts: 668
|
Oh...so you ended up doing exactly what we told you to? Welcome to rc.com .......And she will really like the elektra. A chick I climb with loves them. My wife wears a Luna too and even though you spent some bucks on it, it was worth it. Definately don't get your bolt gun from REI though, their bolt gun is a piece of crap.
(This post was edited by WVUCLMBR on Apr 7, 2008, 1:00 PM)
|
|
|
|
|
BlueDude13
Apr 7, 2008, 12:52 PM
Post #37 of 37
(1002 views)
Shortcut
Registered: Mar 17, 2008
Posts: 40
|
Grats on the good luck at the REI.
|
|
|
|
|
|