Apr 7, 2008, 6:40 AM
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Should we include gym routes in the database?
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So, with the advent of competition climbing which is predominantly indoors, and so many people climbing mostly in gyms do you think that we should also include gym routes in the database and on sites such as thecrag.com to allow for everyone to track all of their ascents?
I mean, if you lead something hard and scary in the gym shouldn't you be able to record it for everyone to see just as much as some sport climb?
Plus it would give a clearer indication of your off-season climbing and ability.
Apr 7, 2008, 9:27 AM
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Re: [ajkclay] Should we include gym routes in the database?
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I dunno how ur gym works but all the gyms i go to frequently change their routes once a month or so, to keep intrest from the climbers... so if some1 did an ascent how could another person do the same ascent like a month later if its removed again!? And most of the routes aren't even named... atleast not in the minor halls at my place...
Apr 7, 2008, 1:21 PM
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Re: [ajkclay] Should we include gym routes in the database?
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Hell yes dude!! That blue 10a route on the left arete with the wicked sloper almost made me shit myself. The bolt was WAAY down at my knees and I had to drop knee off that sloper to make the next clip! Scareee.
This plays right into my big book idea, "50 classic gym routes of North America". Look for it soon at your gym!
Apr 7, 2008, 2:55 PM
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Re: [ajkclay] Should we include gym routes in the database?
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I have a new troll rating for posts that include a poll.
The post is graded based on how many people take the bait and vote for the obvious answer. For example, on this poll since 74% voted NO, this is a T-74. Obviously, the highest would be a 100.
RC.com'ers, will you adopt this new rating system?
Edited b/c I can't do math....
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Apr 7, 2008, 6:13 PM
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Re: [shimanilami] Should we include gym routes in the database?
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I voted no, because routes get changed and are not a "permanent" climb that is repeatable over the long term.
On another note; slamming gym climbing is just as dumb as tradsters slamming sport climbers and big-wallers slamming boulderers. I live in Houston where we only have gyms and real rock is 3 hours away. If I lived someplace where you could walk out your door and get on a beautiful rock, I'd be climbing rock all the time.
Apr 7, 2008, 7:03 PM
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Re: [gblauer] Should we include gym routes in the database?
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gblauer wrote:
I would like to see a place on this site where I can track my training.
Logging gym routes could be a component of that...but what I really want is a training log.
Training logs are really the only purpose for ever logging a gym climb, but that should be a personal accomplishment to see your own progress. As someone already said, if you send something in a gym, it's likely to be gone in a month and others can't repeat it. Also, gyms are so subjective in their grades that to compare one gym climber to another in a different gym is hardly an accurate measure of how hard each of them climbs. I could see a use in being able to log your gym ascents for your own personal viewing though, but you don't need a website to do that.
Apr 7, 2008, 7:36 PM
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Re: [mturner] Should we include gym routes in the database?
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"mturner Training logs are really the only purpose for ever logging a gym climb, but that should be a personal accomplishment to see your own progress. As someone already said, if you send something in a gym, it's likely to be gone in a month and others can't repeat it.
Not to sound like an ass, but, my gym training is less about projecting and sending. I spend hours drilling, doing laps, arcing etc. Yes, it's about personal achievement, but I think it would be great to have an online home for training logs.
(ok, why do I train so hard? Because I am old, I have no natural talent, I am competitive and I like to do it. If I didn't train this hard, I would really suck.)
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Apr 7, 2008, 7:55 PM
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SO WHAT YOUR SAYING IS I SHOULD GET A SUPER BOWL RING CAUSE I KICK ASS AT MADDEN FOOTBALL? OR MAYBE THE MEDAL OF HONOR FOR SAVING THE PLANET FROM SOME ALIEN ATTACK ON MY PLAY STATION? THAT WOULD BE COOL . MAYBE YOU COULD MARRY A BLOW UP DOLL AND HAVE A BUNCH OF RUBBER KIDS! GET REAL.
Apr 7, 2008, 8:51 PM
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ja1484 wrote:
T-low. You can do better.
I was always under the impression that a troll is ultimately graded by the number of folks that get taken in by it. If that's the case this is actually some pretty good work.
Edited to add: I voted yes. This is a rad idea.
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Apr 7, 2008, 8:53 PM
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24 replies and 35 votes in less than two hours. Yes I suppose he could have done better but its a rare treat to see an angler just zip em in one after another.
Apr 7, 2008, 10:05 PM
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knieveltech wrote:
ja1484 wrote:
T-low. You can do better.
I was always under the impression that a troll is ultimately graded by the number of folks that get taken in by it. If that's the case this is actually some pretty good work.
Edited to add: I voted yes. This is a rad idea.
You know better, because I've seen from other of your posts on here that you don't suck at the internet.
Any moron can troll naive n00bs, which is the vast majority of this site's population. However, a truly impressive troll won't even get graded, for obvious reasons.
Apr 7, 2008, 10:15 PM
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ja1484 wrote:
knieveltech wrote:
ja1484 wrote:
T-low. You can do better.
I was always under the impression that a troll is ultimately graded by the number of folks that get taken in by it. If that's the case this is actually some pretty good work.
Edited to add: I voted yes. This is a rad idea.
You know better, because I've seen from other of your posts on here that you don't suck at the internet.
Any moron can troll naive n00bs, which is the vast majority of this site's population. However, a truly impressive troll won't even get graded, for obvious reasons.
*nodnod* You make a good point here. Time will tell if this thread has legs.
Apr 7, 2008, 11:10 PM
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I for one think this is an excellent idea. The gym I climb at, ahem, the environmentally-enhanced crag I climb at even names the routes.
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I voted no, because routes get changed and are not a "permanent" climb that is repeatable over the long term.
This is easily remedied with a bit of epoxy over the hex bolt. Think of it as a glue-in.
If this is not enough to make the route permanent, paste a little epoxy around the edges of the hold. I know, I know, I dont mean to start up the whole chipping/glueing debate. This glueing is not designed to put a hold where one was not, nor to even keep that big thank-you-mama-there-is-a-god-in-heaven-and-he-just-gave-me-72-virgins-jug from spinning just above that "dino" (not a dyno; its a hold SHAPED like a dinosaur with little points on its back that hurted your wittle pinkers) on your orange proj.
No, the hold is fine and if it did break (to all you "outdoor-types"; holds do break in the gym. It is SO scary, even scarier than outside because I am sure you EXPECT your holds to break. Just goes to show you how CLOSE indoor, excuse me, environmentally-enhanced, climbing is to outdoor climbing) you could just bolt a new one back on. No, this glue is to permanentize the route so that we can all travel around the country from environmentally-enhanced crag to environmentally-enhanced crag and spray about how radical the pink route was and how we had an epic that time during the storm when all the lights went out and we had to use our headlamps to get to the locker an change our shoes, all while absolutely NO cool, indie, one-hit-wonder that sounds EXACTLY like that last cool, trendy band was playing on the speakers.
Apr 8, 2008, 12:56 AM
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You know better than that. My vote is f&*k NO. Climbing in a gym, witch I do is for training. It is not an established route, its not natural, No you cant even count those routes. If you say you climb 5.X, then in your next sentence you tell me its in the gym, You dont climb 5.x you climb Polyurethane its not a route. If you say you climb 5.X you better have done it outside. P-out
Hmmm interesting, but then, I bet that if you were to beat Chris Sharma in a climbing comp you'd be happy to take the cred for it, even though according to your definition you haven't actually climbed.
... and by which level do we then begin to allow routes?
On the fear front mentioned by someone else; my friend from the former East Germany doesn't get scared when climbing above bolts or trad gear becasue he has climbed on knotted slings and cord since he was 5. So really scary is in the mind of the perceiver.
I do an absolute ton of routes during the winter season that I don't get to add to my Crag score which means it looks like I don't climb... meanwhile my friends in the northern Australian states get to kick my butt because they don't have rain or cold.
Plus, climbing indoor is just as hard for other reasons.
1. The plastic is more slippery and you need much more chalk. 2. Each move is more likely to be at the grade of the route wheras outdoors it's often one hard move followed by easier ones (on the routes I do anyway) 3. You have less choice indoors than out because you can't just search for a better hold or foot placement. 4. There are always more people watching you so you feel all that pressure of not wanting to fail in front of everyone.
Apr 8, 2008, 1:20 AM
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To those who support the concept:
(I don't see the OP in this light)
I have posted a small number of the routes that I have done on this site's logging system. Inspection will reveal that I ain't boasting - unless you are impressed by 5.6 or 5.7 postings.
I post all of my routes in my log book, which I do to help me re-live days at the crag as I approach senility.
What is the difference? I post everything, failures and successes, in my private log book. I don't have much to post online that will make you say, "Damn, does he have a huge set or what!"
If you want to post your gym sends online instead of keeping a simple journal or spreadsheet, just post them as trip reports. And keep tissues handy for when you re-read them later and the testosterone starts to flow.
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Apr 12, 2008, 2:21 AM
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If that many people bite it seems it would be hard to differentiate troll from legitimate question would it not? Though I guess a lot of people do gobble on some pretty stupid shit, so...
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subantz wrote:
You know better than that. My vote is f&*k NO. Climbing in a gym, witch I do is for training. It is not an established route, its not natural, No you cant even count those routes. If you say you climb 5.X, then in your next sentence you tell me its in the gym, You dont climb 5.x you climb Polyurethane its not a route. If you say you climb 5.X you better have done it outside. P-out
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subantz wrote:
subantz wrote:
You know better than that. My vote is f&*k NO. Climbing in a gym, witch I do is for training. It is not an established route, its not natural, No you cant even count those routes. If you say you climb 5.X, then in your next sentence you tell me its in the gym, You dont climb 5.x you climb Polyurethane its not a route. If you say you climb 5.X you better have done it outside. P-out
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TWO years? Did you head out for a loaf of bread and forget where home was?
That's funny!
You know I'd forgotten about this troll... thanks for the reminder, funnny reading it again :)
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And most of the routes aren't even named... atleast not in the minor halls at my place... 
