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If you can guess correctly you win a prize!

One guess per person , so post wisely.


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slacklining.


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Sorry no prize for you.Unsure


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The gate may have been slightly open while the spine was loaded on an edge during a fall or similar?


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it was loaded over an edge?


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a saw


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No
no
and no.
Sorry no prize.


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grover wrote:
No
no
and no.
Sorry no prize.

You put it on railroad tracks just like you did when you were a little bastard trouble maker with quarters.

do i win?


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You gave it to Adatesman for pull testing?


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The gate was closed, but the hinge pin on the gate failed so that the spine suffered what was essentially a gate-open condition.


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with your bare hands? Can we see the other half?


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On the two biners I have handy it appears that the hinge pin rotates with the gate so that it's a little loose in the biner body. So, although this hinge pin looks short, it may just be hanging down into the hole from one end. So I suspect that the pin was okay but for some reason the legs that the hinge pin goes through broke, hence the missing gate. However, due to the broken spine I'm guessing the spine broke first or they broke simultaneously because I don't see how the broken gate could lead to a broken spine.

I suspect it was dropped and suffered macro fractures.Blush


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Motivate us a little. What do we win?


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Hennessey wrote:
Motivate us a little. What do we win?

Don't expect much, he's an unemployed canadian.

So, let me guess, the broken biner is a result of you shooting it with a canon some fool allowed you to use unsupervised????

Pay up bitch...


You have to keep a careful eye on these canadians, they get real sketchy when bored.

By the way, that better not be one of mine or tuckers. We take a dim view of destructive canadians.


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grover wrote:

One guess per person , so post wisely.

One guess eh hoser?

My guess is a two parter:

The first part is that your prize is very, very lame. Probably the second half of your biner, or a ball of lint, or perhaps a shitty canadian beer.

The second part of my guess is that you tried to pull a friend's car out of a ditch using old rope, and just one aluminum climbing carabiner, instead of two steel lockers. Just like any other dumbass would.

If you start talking about Labatts blue, and defend it as a good beer, shut the hell up right now, because you don't know what you're talking about.


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You broke it using it to hoist that granite countertop in the pic.

DMT


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Towing a vehicle?


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This is not a guess, it is a request for clarification.
Has this been cleaned up (i.e. other material / parts removed) for the photo? Or, is this exactly how it was found (allowing for repositioning for photography)?


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grover wrote:
[IMG]http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g216/msenyk/IMG_0038.jpg[/IMG]


If you can guess correctly you win a prize!

One guess per person , so post wisely.
I'm going to guess noob disaster scenario come to life for the first time ever. A stiff dogbone caused it to rotate up and get caught sideways in a bolt hanger. Leader fall, biner snapped, gri-gris exploded, belay loops were reduced to shredded wads of smoking nylon, but the backup hip belay saved you just as you were about to crater.


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Is the item in the picture a candy cane!!??/1


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Hennessey wrote:
Motivate us a little. What do we win?

How does a June 1973 Summit magazine sound?

And a bunch of climbing stickers....Wink


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You had a run-in with Wolverine and he cut the biner with one of his claws.


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Biner on Biner?


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Mmm, my guess is that you don't know either cuz you found it that way. Do I win?


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hooked the notch on a bolt or whatnot. You can break a biener with like 3 to 5kn of force that way.


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OK, from what I can see there:

1) Its spent some time outside, getting scraped up some cliff faces, judging from the lack of shine.

2) It had to have sheared, because there is no contortion around the break from a torquing or bending motion.

3) It was a traumatic break (as opposed to a saw, or encounter with Wolverine as mentioned before), because the break isn't clean.

My guess is that something fell on it, like a large rock.


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The only biner I've ever broken was while pulling pitons out with a High Lift.



is that how you did it?


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Top roping. Unsure


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my guess is... you did something wrong with jenky gear.


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The sad fact is that this failure was due to some very disturbing sexual proclivity of his and his life partner when things went horribly wrong...


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socalclimber wrote:
The sad fact is that this failure was due to some very disturbing sexual proclivity of his and his life partner when things went horribly wrong...

Kinda like the time I crammed a #10 nut up my ass, flexed, and pulled out a #6?


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angry wrote:
socalclimber wrote:
The sad fact is that this failure was due to some very disturbing sexual proclivity of his and his life partner when things went horribly wrong...

Kinda like the time I crammed a #10 nut up my ass, flexed, and pulled out a #6?

I have doubts as to the validity of this story.


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angry wrote:
socalclimber wrote:
The sad fact is that this failure was due to some very disturbing sexual proclivity of his and his life partner when things went horribly wrong...

Kinda like the time I crammed a #10 nut up my ass, flexed, and pulled out a #6?

why stop there? cram charcoal briquettes up there, flex real good and pull out diamonds, and then retire---


---that's what i did


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no_email_entered wrote:
angry wrote:
socalclimber wrote:
The sad fact is that this failure was due to some very disturbing sexual proclivity of his and his life partner when things went horribly wrong...

Kinda like the time I crammed a #10 nut up my ass, flexed, and pulled out a #6?

why stop there? cram charcoal briquettes up there, flex real good and pull out diamonds, and then retire---


---that's what i did

I've got a gas grill so I crammed a propane tank up my ass and flexed. I didn't get diamonds but making the local news was pretty cool.


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angry wrote:
no_email_entered wrote:
angry wrote:
socalclimber wrote:
The sad fact is that this failure was due to some very disturbing sexual proclivity of his and his life partner when things went horribly wrong...

Kinda like the time I crammed a #10 nut up my ass, flexed, and pulled out a #6?

why stop there? cram charcoal briquettes up there, flex real good and pull out diamonds, and then retire---


---that's what i did

I've got a gas grill so I crammed a propane tank up my ass and flexed. I didn't get diamonds but making the local news was pretty cool.


so that's how you became a member of the Fantastic Four---


---flame on!!11!!


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More like: FLAME OFFFFFF! FLAME OOFFFFFFFFF! OH GOD PLEASE, FLAME OFFFFFFFFFFF!


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Looks like those kegel exercies payed off! Wink


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Were you towing/yanking a car with it?


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I accidentally my carabiner! The whole thing!


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angry wrote:
socalclimber wrote:
The sad fact is that this failure was due to some very disturbing sexual proclivity of his and his life partner when things went horribly wrong...

Kinda like the time I crammed a #10 nut up my ass, flexed, and pulled out a #6?

Cheap party trick. The #6 was already up there.

Curt


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curt wrote:
angry wrote:
socalclimber wrote:
The sad fact is that this failure was due to some very disturbing sexual proclivity of his and his life partner when things went horribly wrong...

Kinda like the time I crammed a #10 nut up my ass, flexed, and pulled out a #6?

Cheap party trick. The #6 was already up there.

Curt

LaughLaughLaughLaughLaugh


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coastal_climber wrote:
Biner on Biner?

Wait she's got a twin?


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rogue10186 wrote:
coastal_climber wrote:
Biner on Biner?

Wait she's got a twin?

Sounds hot


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you rapped off the end of the rope with it?

it seems in style these days anyways...


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maybe it got really f-in cold and then got crossloaded... up in the snow?


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or is this how?



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jpetsch123 wrote:
hooked the notch on a bolt or whatnot. You can break a biener with like 3 to 5kn of force that way.
5 kN is extremely optimistic. In my test, my biners broke at 2.5 kN when hooked on the nose. Even the 11 kN open gate strength Stubai Supreme biner I tested broke below 5 kN when hooked on the nose and that biner has the highest open gate strength of any wiregate biner made. The Supreme is one of the strongest and safest non-locking biners manufactured.


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Opening a beer bottle?


Angry, don't you keep your entire rack up your ass?


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What the heck, I'll take a guess.

A clove hitch with the load strand not aligned with the spine of the biner?


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Could it be like this




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I'd say you were trying to lift an air compressor into the attic in your garage. You had a winch set up but nothing to attach the winches line to the air compressor with. You then realized that the compressor only weighs like 500 lbs and that your rock climbing gear should suffice. All went well till you got it to the top and jammed the biener into the winch, snapped the biener, then watched your precious new compressor fall the 10 ft to your garage floor shattering into a million little pieces. Then you cried.


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Some..... ummm............ great guesses.Wink

To answer a few questions:

Yes, I saw it happen.
Dingus it's a fake granite counter-top.
I have no garage or air-compressor.
The biner has not been cleaned, or stripped of any parts.
And last of all, it was not part of any "TOWER OF POWER" accident.



angry wrote:
socalclimber wrote:
The sad fact is that this failure was due to some very disturbing sexual proclivity of his and his life partner when things went horribly wrong...

Kinda like the time I crammed a #10 nut up my ass, flexed, and pulled out a #6?

Oh right, and it was never in, up, around or near my ass.Angelic


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grover wrote:
I have no garage or air-compressor.
Anymore. Frown
Since the biner incident.


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Well, the gate is missing from the hinge side, so it was not a gate open accident.
There doesn't seem to be any straightening out of the curves, nor marking of them, so an elongation failure doesn't seem likely.
I vote for a crossloading perpendicular to the plane of the biner. As if it were caught in a crack & loaded crosswise. From the force I suspect would be necessary, I vote for a lead fall.


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unrooted wrote:
Opening a beer bottle?


Angry, don't you keep your entire rack up your ass?

Just the big bro's


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Immersed it in liquid nitrogen then tapped it with a hammer?

It has that effect on flower petals Smile


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wiki wrote:
Immersed it in liquid nitrogen then tapped it with a hammer?

It has that effect on flower petals Smile
Awesome! +1 for science are fun!


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It's your parents fault.


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did it happen while climbing?


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You used it to attach your leash to your pitbull while you were walking through a playground full of kids?


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grover wrote:
[IMG]http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g216/msenyk/IMG_0038.jpg[/IMG]


If you can guess correctly you win a prize!

One guess per person , so post wisely.

It was left behind after drilling at a quarry. The explosion broke it.


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Hammering out a stuck hex with it.


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Quite simply, the biner is the way it is because it broke. That's how it got to the current condition.


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It obviously happened in some sort of freak tug-o-war accident.


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kachoong wrote:
Hammering out a stuck hex with it.

Maybe used as a hex is some sort of screwed up way.


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photoshop

bam


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I'm tired of waiting for this one. 3 pages. sheese, you dudes are slippin'.

MICROFRACTURES! duhh


What do I win?


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billcoe_ wrote:
I'm tired of waiting for this one. 3 pages. sheese, you dudes are slippin'.

MICROFRACTURES! duhh


What do I win?

I am in Brevard NC right now and I can unequivically say that looks like Looking Glass. (unfortunately not climbing. Wife is preggers.)

how that is relevant, I dont know

My guess is that it was intentionally cut to rescue a screaming girl dangling from a rope holding three other people, all of which peeled from an overhang. Absolutely unnecessary and the MAJOR reason I dont allow anyone I climb with to carry bolt cutters.


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When do we get the answer?


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You uploaded a picture to photobucket.com and then created your post here, linking to the picture on photobucket.com.

And that's how that picture appearing in this thread happened.

What did I win?


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Gmburns2000 wrote:
Quite simply, the biner is the way it is because it broke. That's how it got to the current condition.

he's right


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1/2 way in a crack. failed when climber fell?


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bolt cutters!


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Wait, does this involve a Tyrolean Traverse with a rookie climber and a failed rescue?


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Toast_in_the_Machine wrote:
Wait, does this involve a Tyrolean Traverse with a rookie climber and a failed rescue?
Wouldn't we be looking at a harness buckle then?


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OOOOH OOOOH pick me! pick me! lemme guess u were belayin.........................................









right?


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I had seen a post that got locked about some third hand rumors it was a belt failure. I thought that it turned out to be the biner and this thread was a "fun way" to re-do the I&A analysis.


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PigsOnDrugs wrote:
OOOOH OOOOH pick me! pick me! lemme guess u were belayin.........................................






[image]http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_InFGA2nsCXE/Rns1Zs-JTlI/AAAAAAAAAC0/GNarVYLVdpU/s400/Fat%2BGirl.jpg[/image]


right?

Lets not joke in the rock climbing class I helped teach there was a girl about that size I got to belay every day. My 160 lbs to her 439831894398 lbs. Every day I prayed that the harness makers thought about EVERYONE when they made the harnesses and not just normal sized people.


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You ran over it with a car.


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i have so lost interest in this thread----


----but strangely, i feel like having some cake right now


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Did you use it as a sort of cam hook in a horizontal crack?


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This thread sucks. We're given one crappy picture that doesn't even have the fracture surface in focus, then we wait and wait and wait with no additional information given. No one cares about the prize, we just want to know how it broke.


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Yer mom? Laugh

Sorry had to do it.


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Looks to me like it's a bending failure.


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imnotclever wrote:
Looks to me like it's a bending failure.

"weak axis" bending - perpendicular to the plane of the gate.


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1 guess is really close.

Alright some more info.

It was not climbing related.


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grover wrote:
1 guess is really close.

Alright some more info.

It was not climbing related.

I'm going to be really disappointed if this is an actual contest and not just a troll.


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"It was not climbing related."

WTF??? A carabiner was involved. How can it not be climbing related??


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bill413 wrote:
"It was not climbing related."

WTF??? A carabiner was involved. How can it not be climbing related??

Extreme keychain accident?


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rockandlice wrote:
bill413 wrote:
"It was not climbing related."

WTF??? A carabiner was involved. How can it not be climbing related??

Extreme keychain accident?

i lolled.

steve


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Sorry, what was this thread about?


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Postal service damage during shipping. Hope you paid extra for insurance.


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you were opening a beer... ?


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this is a really boring thread


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rocknice2 wrote:
this is a really boring thread
That's cause the biner broke after opening just one beer.


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grover wrote:
It was not climbing related.

Well then, that narrows it right down, doesn't it

Crazy


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It got hit with a big PTFTW!


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shockabuku wrote:
It got hit with a big PTFTW!

Oooohhh. Like that guess.


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chuck norris have anything to do with it?

http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/showdown


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It got so tired of you boring it with a too lengthy 'mystery' that it blew itself up?


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It got so tired of you boring it with a too lengthy 'mystery' that it blew itself up?

It would be especially wicked if it was this very thread that caused it to happen.


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spikeddem wrote:
Johnny_Fang wrote:
It got so tired of you boring it with a too lengthy 'mystery' that it blew itself up?

It would be especially wicked if it was this very thread that caused it to happen.

Dude, that is so completely trippy. It's like watching Terminator or Back to the Future.


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Playing tug of war with your automobile(s).


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rock_ranger wrote:
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i have so lost interest in this thread----


----but strangely, i feel like having some cake right now

mmmm..me too http://www.cakefarts.com

Well, that's not the most disturbing thing I have ever seen, but at least it's more entertaining than this thread. I'm off to make an appointment with my counselor.


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el_layclimber wrote:
rock_ranger wrote:
no_email_entered wrote:
i have so lost interest in this thread----


----but strangely, i feel like having some cake right now

mmmm..me too http://www.cakefarts.com

Well, that's not the most disturbing thing I have ever seen, but at least it's more entertaining than this thread. I'm off to make an appointment with my counselor.

i refuse to look---

---please describe so this thread gets entertaining again


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el_layclimber wrote:
rock_ranger wrote:
no_email_entered wrote:
i have so lost interest in this thread----


----but strangely, i feel like having some cake right now

mmmm..me too http://www.cakefarts.com

Well, that's not the most disturbing thing I have ever seen, but at least it's more entertaining than this thread. I'm off to make an appointment with my counselor.

hmm... in a post-2girls1cup world, that video barely registers on the shockometer.


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i just looked up 2g1c. that is fing twisted. i have lost my appetite...4ever.

hate u cam head


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you know what i like the most? im gonna get nice and comfortable for this....


broken carabiner threads


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spikeddem wrote:
Johnny_Fang wrote:
It got so tired of you boring it with a too lengthy 'mystery' that it blew itself up?

It would be especially wicked if it was this very thread that caused it to happen.

This thread is going to break something.


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barkandbite wrote:
i just looked up 2g1c. that is fing twisted. i have lost my appetite...4ever.

hate u cam head

I laugh at your pain.

I was told by a friend "Hey, go tell Brad to show you two girls/one cup."

My response; "Okay."


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I think this thread may have drifted past the point of no return, but I'm going to toss out my guess anyway.

I think that this 'biner broke while being used to work on a car. Specifically I think it was being used to hoist an engine. No, scratch that. I wasn't thinking about the fact that he's Canadian. I think he was using it to hoist a mounted Mountie.


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milesenoell wrote:
I think this thread may have drifted past the point of no return, but I'm going to toss out my guess anyway.

I think that this 'biner broke while being used to work on a car. Specifically I think it was being used to hoist an engine. No, scratch that. I wasn't thinking about the fact that he's Canadian. I think he was using it to hoist a mounted Mountie.

No your wrong, if he hoisted a a Mountie he would have been Taser'ed until death and unable to post his post. The Mounties taser everyone until it kills, lol.


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Terry2124 wrote:
milesenoell wrote:
I think this thread may have drifted past the point of no return, but I'm going to toss out my guess anyway.

I think that this 'biner broke while being used to work on a car. Specifically I think it was being used to hoist an engine. No, scratch that. I wasn't thinking about the fact that he's Canadian. I think he was using it to hoist a mounted Mountie.

No your wrong, if he hoisted a a Mountie he would have been Taser'ed until death and unable to post his post. The Mounties taser everyone until it kills, lol.

And I used to think it was bad that where I'm from they taser non-violent, compliant, unarmed, handcuffed, face-down political protesters while kneeling on their back... but they only Taser them a half dozen times or so.


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milesenoell wrote:
And I used to think it was bad that where I'm from they taser non-violent, compliant, unarmed, handcuffed, face-down political protesters while kneeling on their back... but they only Taser them a half dozen times or so.
That's showing an impressive amount of restraint - keeping it under 10!


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Since this is dead I'll bug on adatesman. After the quote.

adatesman wrote:
Aw heck, guess I'll play since its dragged on this long.

What I see is an old solid gate D biner that had a 22.56kN rating, which failed when the hinge pin for the gate sheared while the biner was under heavy load. Definitely closed gate failure as there's no outward bending at the flat angled spot on the outside of the spine (red arrow) and the hinge pin let go first (raised material around its hole, redGREEN arrow).

I'd also guess that the biner was loaded in two directions at the upper part, as would happen when lifting something with a basket sling. This would put more of the force along the gate and explain why the hinge pin broke.



Anyone even close yet?

EDIT- fixed the red/green arrow mixup.

Does Al neck down in a tension test? I know steel does and am assuming that AL does too, but can't remember and am too lazy to look it up. Also wondering if the gate broke does the spine notice an impact type of load and cause a clean break. Basically why is there no necking if it is a tension failure. Have you run any of these types of test or do they match what you've seen?

Then look at the rivet of the gate. it is cupped all the way around like if it pulled out. If it sheared I'd expect deformation on only the shearing side. Plus the hole looks round not oblong. If it was oblong I could see that it deformed under tension loading enough to allow it to pop out the rest of the way.

Next notice the two indentations on the biner one on the nose where it necks down from round to flat (up and to the right of the green arrow) and the other on the spine directly across from it. These could be nothing or they could indicate a reaction point in a 3 point bending setup. With the load applied at the break on the side touching the granite.

But the fracture itself looks to me like "bending fatigue fracture" (GIS that) where the tension side is flat until it hits a plastic rupture and forms more of a cup and cone type shape.


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adatesman wrote:
imnotclever wrote:
Since this is dead I'll bug on adatesman. After the quote.

Your guess is as good as mine.... I only threw that out there because I was bored. Crazy

Hey Grover- can we at least have some useful hints? This has gotten a bit on the boring side....

You mean "not climbing related" wasn't enough of a hint?

I'm going to change my vote, I think it was bitten in half.

By the zombies who revive dead threads.


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I am sticking by my theory that the biner was loaded sideways, with the missing (from the photograph) portion inserted into some sort of crevice and then the top (as seen in photo) portion was subjected to a load perpendicular to the major plane of the biner.

To guess as to specific crevices is not only pointless, but may result in an erection lasting more than 4 hours. Please consult your physician.

Grover, am I on the right track?


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Five pages and Grover has chimed in, what... four times?





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adatesman wrote:
imnotclever wrote:
Since this is dead I'll bug on adatesman. After the quote.

Your guess is as good as mine.... I only threw that out there because I was bored. Crazy

Hey Grover- can we at least have some useful hints? This has gotten a bit on the boring side....



Okay, a few hints for all of you eager to solve.

It happened very fast.
It was very loud.
There was beer involved.

Next hint at midnight (PST) tonight.


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unopened can of beer + Carabiner + open fire (heat, campfire, etc) + explosion of can + weakened biner due to heat exposure = 'biner in its current state?


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grover wrote:
adatesman wrote:
imnotclever wrote:
Since this is dead I'll bug on adatesman. After the quote.

Your guess is as good as mine.... I only threw that out there because I was bored. Crazy

Hey Grover- can we at least have some useful hints? This has gotten a bit on the boring side....





Okay, a few hints for all of you eager to solve.

It happened very fast.
It was very loud.
There was beer involved.

Next hint at midnight (PST) tonight.


Oh, were you guys hauling up a keg of beer and then the biner broke then the keg fell and one of the partners decided to freak out and go insane because the beer was gone?????/


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grover wrote:
adatesman wrote:
imnotclever wrote:
Since this is dead I'll bug on adatesman. After the quote.

Your guess is as good as mine.... I only threw that out there because I was bored. Crazy

Hey Grover- can we at least have some useful hints? This has gotten a bit on the boring side....



Okay, a few hints for all of you eager to solve.

It happened very fast.
It was very loud.
There was beer involved.

Next hint at midnight (PST) tonight.

You got drunk and beat your loud mouth girlfriend with it in a fit of rage?


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grover wrote:
adatesman wrote:
imnotclever wrote:
Since this is dead I'll bug on adatesman. After the quote.

Your guess is as good as mine.... I only threw that out there because I was bored. Crazy

Hey Grover- can we at least have some useful hints? This has gotten a bit on the boring side....



Okay, a few hints for all of you eager to solve.

It happened very fast.
It was very loud.
There was beer involved.

Next hint at midnight (PST) tonight.

Failure while drunk and trying to use it as a c*ck ring?


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Hulk smash??


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Toast_in_the_Machine wrote:
Failure while drunk and trying to use it as a c*ck ring?
Brilliant - I don't care what the reality is....this has to be right.


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bill413 wrote:
Toast_in_the_Machine wrote:
Failure while drunk and trying to use it as a c*ck ring?
Brilliant - I don't care what the reality is....this has to be right.

Cock-ring biner fail?

Sooooooooo close.


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bill413 wrote:
Toast_in_the_Machine wrote:
Failure while drunk and trying to use it as a c*ck ring?
Brilliant - I don't care what the reality is....this has to be right.

I think there's already a thread about the power of the vote versus reality in the soapbox. Tongue


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grover wrote:
bill413 wrote:
Toast_in_the_Machine wrote:
Failure while drunk and trying to use it as a c*ck ring?
Brilliant - I don't care what the reality is....this has to be right.

Cock-ring biner fail?

Sooooooooo close.
Failure while suspending a keg of beer from a kegel exercise device?


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it was broken by using the gate notch as a bottle opener on one tough bottle of beer.

DMT


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grover wrote:
adatesman wrote:
imnotclever wrote:
Since this is dead I'll bug on adatesman. After the quote.

Your guess is as good as mine.... I only threw that out there because I was bored. Crazy

Hey Grover- can we at least have some useful hints? This has gotten a bit on the boring side....



Okay, a few hints for all of you eager to solve.

It happened very fast.
It was very loud.
There was beer involved.

Next hint at midnight (PST) tonight.

Tried to open a beer with it...while it was in use as part of a slack line set up?


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grover wrote:
adatesman wrote:
imnotclever wrote:
Since this is dead I'll bug on adatesman. After the quote.

Your guess is as good as mine.... I only threw that out there because I was bored. Crazy

Hey Grover- can we at least have some useful hints? This has gotten a bit on the boring side....





Okay, a few hints for all of you eager to solve.

It happened very fast.
It was very loud.
There was beer involved.

Next hint at midnight (PST) tonight.
Where's my fucken hint?


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el_layclimber wrote:
grover wrote:
adatesman wrote:
imnotclever wrote:
Since this is dead I'll bug on adatesman. After the quote.

Your guess is as good as mine.... I only threw that out there because I was bored. Crazy

Hey Grover- can we at least have some useful hints? This has gotten a bit on the boring side....

Where's my fucken hint?



Okay, a few hints for all of you eager to solve.

It happened very fast.
It was very loud.
There was beer involved.

Next hint at midnight (PST) tonight.

I think he found the biner like that. He is just trying to think of a story to explain it, its taking a long time, must not be that bright.


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If this is a troll, cheers to you, sir.

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drank a bunch of beer and shot it with a gun. ka-boom.


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Johnny_Fang wrote:
drank a bunch of beer and shot it with a gun. ka-boom.

Disco.

You sir have nailed it.

Colt .45 to be exact @ 12 yards if anyone cares.

Pm me your address and the shwag is yours if ya want it.


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grover wrote:
Johnny_Fang wrote:
drank a bunch of beer and shot it with a gun. ka-boom.

Disco.

You sir have nailed it.

Colt .45 to be exact @ 12 yards if anyone cares.

Pm me your address and the shwag is yours if ya want it.

i've drank lots of beer and shot stuff in my life, but damn, that's a great shot. how many tries did it take you? were you blasting it off of someone's harness?

as for the shwag, any chance you're going to skaha this weekend? i'm leaving in a few hours from the 'couve.

otherwise, donate the shwag to the kids in africa who are starving for climbs. although a magazine from the year i was born does sound pretty cool...


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Johnny_Fang wrote:
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drank a bunch of beer and shot it with a gun. ka-boom.

Disco.

You sir have nailed it.

Colt .45 to be exact @ 12 yards if anyone cares.

Pm me your address and the shwag is yours if ya want it.

i've drank lots of beer and shot stuff in my life, but damn, that's a great shot. how many tries did it take you? were you blasting it off of someone's harness?

as for the shwag, any chance you're going to skaha this weekend? i'm leaving in a few hours from the 'couve.

otherwise, donate the shwag to the kids in africa who are starving for climbs. although a magazine from the year i was born does sound pretty cool...

Blew the gate off with a .22 in Josh.

Then finished the job in Bishop.

Hit it first shot, then spent 15 minutes looking for it.

It was only slightly bent, then 3 more till I snapped it, and never found the other half.

No Skaha for moi, but I'll mail you the mag.


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grover wrote:
Johnny_Fang wrote:
drank a bunch of beer and shot it with a gun. ka-boom.

Disco.

You sir have nailed it.

Colt .45 to be exact @ 12 yards if anyone cares.

Pm me your address and the shwag is yours if ya want it.

Wait, were you drinking a Colt 45 or shooting one? Or both?


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You were shooting guns in the park? Lame.Mad


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You were shooting guns in the park? Lame.Mad

Do you see Joshua Tree National Park in the above post?

Ya, I didn't think so.

Lame eh?

Think before you type.


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You were shooting guns in the park? Lame.Mad

Do you see Joshua Tree National Park in the above post?

Ya, I didn't think so.

Lame eh?

Think before you type.

Yeah, how could he ever have thought you were referring to Josh?


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Is this any better?

grover wrote:

Blew the gate off with a .22 in YOUR MOTHERS ASS.

Then finished the job in Bishop.

Hit it first shot, then spent 15 minutes looking for it.

It was only slightly bent, then 3 more till I snapped it, and never found the other half.

No Skaha for moi, but I'll mail you the mag.


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grover wrote:
Is this any better?

grover wrote:

Blew the gate off with a .22 in YOUR MOTHERS ASS.

Then finished the job in Bishop.

Hit it first shot, then spent 15 minutes looking for it.

It was only slightly bent, then 3 more till I snapped it, and never found the other half.

No Skaha for moi, but I'll mail you the mag.

I wonder if the spelling police are allowed to arrest people for breaking actual laws too, like firing (or just having) a gun in a national park.


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JESUS CHRIST PEOPLE. I GAVE YOU THE ANSWER ON THE FIRST PAGE.

He did it at my house. Hence why I commented that the biner better not be one of Tucker's or mine!!!

All's I'll say is that it happened very close to the park on private property.

Good one mark.

Fucking canadian. Now send the poor guy his pumice butt plug autographed by you and let's move onto something else....


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Another lame waste of good ammo violation. More interesting and better story would be if you all had been using it again for the drunken horse f*king harness attachment except on a mule this time and the mule had rejected your advances all rude like......jus' sayin' is all.....


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obviously it broke.


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grover wrote:
Is this any better?

grover wrote:

Blew the gate off with a .22 in YOUR MOTHERS ASS.

Then finished the job in Bishop.

Hit it first shot, then spent 15 minutes looking for it.

It was only slightly bent, then 3 more till I snapped it, and never found the other half.

No Skaha for moi, but I'll mail you the mag.

7 pages of boredom and you finish it off by blasting some for questioning whether you shot your load in J-tree.
Your an ASS and a disgrace to Canadians everywhere.


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billcoe_ wrote:
Another lame waste of good ammo violation. More interesting and better story would be if you all had been using it again for the drunken horse f*king harness attachment except on a mule this time and the mule had rejected your advances all rude like......jus' sayin' is all.....

Well, mule fucking is strictly a canadian sport, we Americans stick to bipedal hominids.


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rocknice2 wrote:
grover wrote:
Is this any better?

grover wrote:

Blew the gate off with a .22 in YOUR MOTHERS ASS.

Then finished the job in Bishop.

Hit it first shot, then spent 15 minutes looking for it.

It was only slightly bent, then 3 more till I snapped it, and never found the other half.

No Skaha for moi, but I'll mail you the mag.

7 pages of boredom and you finish it off by blasting some for questioning whether you shot your load in J-tree.
Your an ASS and a disgrace to Canadians everywhere.

Wow, thanks for the compliment.Smile

It's replies like this that make it all worth while.


(This post was edited by grover on May 19, 2009, 5:01 PM)


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rocknice2 wrote:
grover wrote:
Is this any better?

grover wrote:

Blew the gate off with a .22 in YOUR MOTHERS ASS.

Then finished the job in Bishop.

Hit it first shot, then spent 15 minutes looking for it.

It was only slightly bent, then 3 more till I snapped it, and never found the other half.

No Skaha for moi, but I'll mail you the mag.

7 pages of boredom and you finish it off by blasting some for questioning whether you shot your load in J-tree.
Your an ASS and a disgrace to Canadians everywhere.

you're from QUEBEC. the only things you're good for are making poutine and sounding hilarious when you talk. STFU.

as for grover, yesterday i received two (count 'em, TWO) copies of summit magazine from 1973 and some stickers in my mailbox, all wrapped in packaging from pacific pilsner, the pabst blue ribbon of the great white north. jealous? outta be.

thanks grover. you ain't no ass.


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