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leahmeryl
Jan 28, 2003, 6:09 PM
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I know that a lot of guys peak into the Ladies Room. I was just wondering two things.
To the girls - how do you feel knowing that guys are reading your girly posts?
To the boys - what brings you into this room and are you affected by what you read here?
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Jan 28, 2003, 6:24 PM
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I like it that the guys are interested and open minded enough to read and post here. The wider the mix of ideas, the better to synthesize and learn from those ideas. And if the guys get some new insight into girlie stuff, great!
IMO climber guys are some of the most open minded, egalitarian folks out there. We may not all agree on some things, but when it comes right down to it, I don't think I've met a group of men elsewhere who are nearly as supportive of women doing what they want to and being happy.
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Jan 28, 2003, 7:56 PM
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I will admit to lurking in the Ladies Room occasionally. Usually it is out of boredom and there is nothing else exciting to read on the site. I have found that the ladies room has a great deal of information available. I have learned a great deal about subjects that I have even considered before. There was one topic on acne that was quite informative and there was another one about the respectful way to address a woman that opened my eyes as well. I also find that the density of useful information is much higher in the Ladies Room than any other forum.
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punk
Jan 28, 2003, 8:24 PM
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Now this Q made me go huaa ??? Quite strange Q.
Anyway I don’t think that the moderator would like to limit access by gender and quite frankly I don’t understand the reason for the “ladies room” when there is no “man’s room”…
Anyway base on the topics here it could fit very well to community forum and generally I enter this room for the Giggles the general posting topics are ridiculous to say the least. so you all giving me a good smile and a proof of how different man from woman can be…even when they got extra privileges
Generally I like the effect that it is a step above total dumbness u find in the community post (i.e. the biggest fattest turd, GOOD NIGHT MY LOVE etc) so I’m here for the amusement since this is a completely mindless forum
Don’t get me wrong I’m the biggest believer in equal opportunity and it means equal opportunity!!! no more no less.
Toward every single human being with no deferens for gender and race
I believe in the pure concept of EQUALITY
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leahmeryl
Jan 28, 2003, 8:35 PM
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I hope no one gets the impression that by posting this question I was implying that men should be excluded from the forum. Many of the guys' posts have been great.
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thomasribiere
Jan 28, 2003, 8:46 PM
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I read all the forums from the top to the bottom (but trad, aid, slackblablahand the ones for mods). So you come just after the pics forum, and I read this. I find interesting topics, I'm sometimes a bit confused and don't read the whole topic (the ones on breast surgery made me feel like I wasn't in the good place) but usually the discussions are neutral, just seen from a woman point of view maybe.
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climbingbetty22
Jan 28, 2003, 9:20 PM
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I don't think it's a problem if guys lurk around in here. I think that being that it is called "The Ladies Room," we can talk about uh..girly things... and have less problems. Guys who enter this forum know what they are getting themselves into and by entering they make the choice to read whatever. It seems that most of the posts made by men are of a mature nature. If we just talked about these things in the Community Forum, I think we'd be more likely to have really assinine comments made by guys who haven't quite reached that level of maturity yet. So, I think a ladies room is definitely needed. I know you guys think you should have a men's room too, but if you're posting in the ladies' room, than it's not like you guys are excluded. Besides what you guys talk about? Your balls? It's not like you guys have too many problems that can't be discussed in mixed company. Guys just don't want to hear about periods and stuff like that, so we're just trying to be respectful by taking somewhere else. OK, I don't want to start a war with folks about it, so please don't think I'm trying to flame anyone. I just think that the idea of a men's room is a little silly.
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punk
Jan 28, 2003, 9:29 PM
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The way I see it
If some of the users will go beyond the 5 years old intellect…we will have a normal forum
The way I see it, it should read “Now seriously” and should be heavily moderated like it is now but with no gender intending …this way we can bypass the question of this topic
"This you must always bear in mind, what is the nature of the whole, and what is my nature, and how this is related to that, and what kind of a part it is of what kind of a whole; and that there is no-one who hinders you from always doing and saying the things which are according to the nature of which you are a part." Marcus Aurelius
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iamthewallress
Jan 28, 2003, 9:31 PM
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I think its greeat that there are guys interested in the issues that concern us as women. Typically I really value their input. Sometimes it might be more appropriate for some of them to auto-sensor though.
For example, I'm not going to go post on the ice climbing forum about stuff that I think should be right because I've watched others ice climb and have read about it in the magazines because I've never ice climbed! Likewise when a woman asks other women how they feel about body issues or something that is going to be uniquely a womans experience, I think it might be best for the guys to contribute by just reading. Of course, it varies with every question and every contribution.
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For example, I'm not going to go post on the ice climbing forum about stuff that I think should be right because I've watched others ice climb and have read about it in the magazines because I've never ice climbed! Likewise when a woman asks other women how they feel about body issues or something that is going to be uniquely a womans experience, I think it might be best for the guys to contributors.php">contribute by just reading. Of course, it varies with every question and every contribution.
I understand your point and for a body matter I have no clue except for the same parts we share, that is why I don’t post on an issue I don’t know
However do you really like to wash your laundry out in the open and get an advice from faceless handle name when coming to such a privet issue of body and physic?
From what I saw the general post was not that committing and reveling to that level even the Brest thing…it is such a open and discussed area nowadays that it got degraded in the privacy issue…
I believe that if u will have some issue of matter and so happen that u value some RC member opinion on the subject it seems to me that you will reserve for PMing the member rather then putting it out to the open
Correct me if I’m wrong
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Jan 28, 2003, 11:44 PM
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i post in this forum more often than any other... i don't care about the gender thing, guys are welcome in here and though many topics are geared towards getting a female point of view, the men can contribute as well.
i think this forum is a great opportunity for guys - any guys - to listen in on a girls conversation... to get more insight about how women speak and feel about certain topics.
some men have posted here, i.e. the "dad with climbing daughters" just to get a female opinion. and we're willing to help.
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iamthewallress
Jan 28, 2003, 11:50 PM
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The thread started by the dad was an example of what I meant by men contributing in a positive way to this forum.
(I have no idea why the word 'contribute' showed up in red on my post? I didn't mean to give it any special emphasis, but I don't know how to undo it either.)
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Jan 29, 2003, 12:08 AM
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I have four sisters and no brothers. I have two daughters and no sons. Golly!!! What a blessed life surrounded by women. Grew up with five females and now I am getting old with three. Yeah, I check out the Ladies’ Room on occasion. I have learned things that I hope will make my be a better father and husband. Besides, all dudes are voyeurs at heart.
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jumpingrock
Jan 29, 2003, 7:34 AM
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Personally I come here both for the far less MACHO point of view that women have. And since I climb with several women it is interesting to know what goes on in the wierd and wonderful mind of a women.
But I came here the first time b/c my mom asked me how women take care of their business on a big wall and I did not know so I figured this would be the best place to learn.
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Jan 29, 2003, 5:32 PM
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I come here because, in spite of the name, this place does not belong to women in the sense that they have a right to exclude men. This forum is the place to discuss issues where gender and climbing meet. It doesn’t matter that it says “ladies†on it. All the title does is promote a greater level of care and respect in the discussions than you find in community. You can see this if you look up a thread started by bitterlotus in Community called “Men: get out of the ladies room†- it’s more argumentative and less informative than this one.
Normally I prefer to call a spade a spade, and that would lead me to argue this forum should be renamed “gender issues†or some other equally neutral (and bland) title. But in this case, I think “ladies†works because it reminds men that this space doesn’t belong to them while at the same time giving women an excuse to feel a little more at ease, more at home. I would prefer that men remember that none of the space on RC.com belongs to them and that women remember they don’t need an excuse to be at ease anywhere, but that’s not my call to make. The current title is a fair compromise that seems to be getting the job done.
The day this forum acts up to its title and excludes me on the basis of my gender will also be the day I actively discriminate against ladies room members in all other RC.com threads. I don’t think it will happen, myself. Do you?
As an aside, a men’s room is a silly idea. What’s the point of creating a second forum to discuss gender issues? All that would do is encourage people to think that the two forums are exclusive and that the genders should not mix when they discuss gender issues. That would be contrary to the express desires of the “founders†of this forum and the purpose of RC.com.
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I live in the house of estrogen (wife of 10 years, daughter who's 9, male dog that doesn't listen to me ) and climb with a handful of women who are part of the nomadic roadshow. I think this forum provides an outlet and access for women to see that even though it's a male dominated sport (even though women are better climbers), it is opening up for women more and more (that's been the emphasis of the climbing vids and sponsorships I've been doing all these years). Personally I stop by because I have a couple friends who post here, and once in a while I have a question that only you ladies/chicas/girls can answer. That and because i.Karen, Kcrag, and Superd are extremely cute
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Jan 29, 2003, 9:19 PM
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I like the idea of this forum. Not because it discludes anyone, but on the basis that it celebrates diversity. I post here for the same reason that I have girl friends... there is some element of understanding and bonding between females. I am a feminist, but not a separtist so I hope that males continue to participate in a open minded and mature fashion.
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i lurk around in here caus you guys talk about breast inhancment and going topless and wether or not your boobs get in the way when you climb (J/K) and i think its funny that women think its ok to say rude things that they would flip out at men for, like what are you guys going to talk about in the mens room your balls (laughed out loud when i read that one) we probubly wouldnt just caus guys dont wanna hear about other guys balls.
and just for the record why would guys sitting around talking about there balls sweaty hairy itchy or otherwise be considered imature while women can talk about there personal hygen issues to no end and its some sort of sisterhood perhaps women dont respect or understand brotherhood enough and just dismiss it as imaturity
anyway it was probubly a mistake to post this but what the hell i'll survive
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Jan 29, 2003, 11:58 PM
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Welcome to the guys!
Please read and become enlightened. A smart man will come here to gain a better understanding of women... specifically climber women.
Learn from us... don't flame or attack us in our own home. This is the Ladies Room after all --
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just curious. maybe to know what is important to you all and what your attitudes towards certain things are. what you like, what are your fears and concerns. not entirely sure...
Kirk.
PS: good topic
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Jan 30, 2003, 10:25 PM
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In my opinion you girls rock!
P.S. if any of you ladies are going to the Nelson Rocks/Seneca March 8 - 15, 2003 gathering I'll be the quiet guy at the fire pit with my mug-o-rum&coke
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I browse here on occasion because I find the topics and replies to be very educational about the way women view climbing. In that their take is often different from the macho attitude many men have, it is good to heed the fact that there are different views out there (plus it minimizes the CLOD factor when climbing in mixed groups)  .
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another welcome to the guys...i don't know..it just seems like the questions in this forum are more seriously answered than in, say, community...i like the guys opinions on stuff but i like the idea that there are probably more females on this forum than guys..makes one feel a little easier about making their problems, esp. female ones, known.
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I visit on occasion because it's cool to see the different perspective and different issues that women can have around climbing.
I contribute because sometimes a man's perspective on women's issue can be helpful.
And the same goes the other way around, sometimes I've learned about the woman's perspective on guys issues in here, too (like the thread by the guy spotting a woman a while ago.)
Glad the women's forum is here - Cheers to all you ladies out there!
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It's interesting to see that you girls worry about stuff like make up and breast enhancement/reduction as related to climbing. Guys tend to worry about their gear looking too new and other stuff that they wouldn't talk about even in a men's room.
I'm sort of suprised that there is not more discussion of technique in this forum, since a lot of women climb differently from men. THey get up the same routes but they do it in a different way sometimes.
I look in here cause women are interesting. I wish there were more about climbing in the ladies room, cause I've sure seen some great female climbers that I bet could share a lot about technique.
How come nobody in any forums talks about meeting people of the opposite sex and climbing with them? Is it some great taboo that you can't show interest in someone at a crag? I mean, I'd really rather meet another climber in a dating sense than a non-climber, wouldn't you?
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I don't come to this forum very often, mostly because the topics usually don't interest me. There is likely some good info that I'm missing out on from time to time... :(
As for a guys-room... equality? Sure, I guess it might be nice, but I don't think it would add much value to the site. I can't think of too many topics that I would post in a guys forum that couldn't be posted in the other forums. I'm pretty open person, so I usually talk with my partners, and their opinion counts a lot when it comes to things like spotting them.
Just my opionion...
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In reply to: personally, i come here for the same reason i read cosmo and redbook -- because it's wise to know what the other team is up to; kinda' like having their playbook. :wink: oh ... and i LIKE to sit down to pee!
Do you really??? Why I ask,Why??? :lol: :lol: :lol:
I post here because its good for the camarderie,good for morale,good for the ladies and because I am one.
Now I guess its okay for the men to read the ladies forum,but .....maybe we should know when they're in town. :lol: :lol: :lol: so we can clean up a bit. :twisted:
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one cannot respond/react to the concerns of others if one does not first know what these concerns are. i choose the preemptive acquisition of knowledge on these concerns to ensure that i can respond respectfully and intelligently in the future as these concerns arise.
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I think that it is wonderful to have a place on RC where women can discuss common issues, concerns, and joys. As a guy I find it helpful to read some of the forums to gain a better understanding of the problems female climbers face in a predominantly male sport. Understanding those things I can then work on changing any way that I may be contributing detrimentally to the climbing community.
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trebclimber: I think that it is wonderful to have a place on RC where women can discuss common issues, concerns, and joys. As a guy I find it helpful to read some of the forums to gain a better understanding of the problems female climbers face in a predominantly male sport. Understanding those things I can then work on changing any way that I may be contributing detrimentally to the climbing community.
What a nice guy! haha It doesnt bother me if guys see what I write- I see what they write- and i think its great that they care!
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we're all just climbers, doesn't that say it all?
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curiosity???? and it always helps to have some insight on how your enemys mind work :P
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After wrestling with the really tricky topics of the General ("Trad climbers suck!") and Gear Heads forums, ("Whats the best belay device?")and of course the ever difficult Beginners forum, ("How do I tie my shoes?"), I find the light hearted subject matter of the Ladies room ("Does your period affect your climbing?"), to be like a breath of fresh air. :)
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yes, we're nice to each other :)
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well, except for that time that T kicked Jules's butt .. or was it the other way around??
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I read to find out why the ladies won't climb with me.
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In reply to: To the boys - what brings you into this room and are you affected by what you read here?
I saw this folder for the first time today (I'm new), and this is the first thread I've read. I poked my nose in because I'm concerned about male - female relations in my favourite sport. :) I want to make climbing, whether outside or in the gym, as comfortable an environment as possible for everyone.
One of the reasons I love climbing is the egalitarian nature of the sport ... men and women have both climbed .14d (yay Josune!!), and I've climbed with more than a few women who float up problems that toss off every guy in our group. In fact, the person who taught me to climb was a woman ... my first coach was a woman ... and the person from whom I currently take instruction is .. you guessed it .. a woman. Climbing is great in this respect, and I want to ensure that it stays that way. :D
I chose this particular thread to read first because I want to read the reactions of the ladies in the forum ... if the consensus seems to be that men are not welcome in this folder, then I'll ignore the folder from now on and interact with y'all in the rest of the forum ... it is certainly big enough. :)
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Its a really cool idea that guys are allowed in here... its not that easy to find info on women in general and women that climb. This forum is informative too, it is a lot more serious them some forums. Though with the idea of a "men's room" i think is pretty bad. There is nothing that guys really want to talk about.. atleast that i can think of. Women have so many more things that need to be adressed to other women, becuase in my opinion women are generally closer then men are.
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Knowing more about woman, makes me a better man. Being relatively new to climbing (6 mos.) and new to the site, I was apprehensive about reading the womans forum at first. But curiosity struck and now I check in every day. Woman have such a honest view of things and are not afraid to say what's on their mind.. and I love that. Personally, I don't think the guys need their own forum. We seem to dominate the rest of the site as it is. :roll: ...my coupla pennies... keep it up girls!! you rock!!
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Enigma mentioned wanting to be warned about guys in the ladies room, but posts here show up on the front page and the view topics since your last visit page and the view unanswered posts page.
That said, the first thread I read in the ladies room was this bit about thongs......after that I was hooked. :D
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In reply to: I know that a lot of guys peak into the Ladies Room. I was just wondering two things. < To the boys - what brings you into this room and are you affected by what you read here?
Its like reading Womens magazines occasionally - you want to see things from their perspective and even (shades of Hercules Labours) understand them. Plus you want to find out if there's any available climbing totty, near where you live (well I do anyway, but the only Female climber I know is 30 - still she is very good looking..... (lets just hope she doesn't read this, cos I asked if she'd like to partner up - climbing, not other sense- actually I wish either)).
Plus on your first time, you can ask them to "be gentle with me" :wink: :wink:
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ok Allen, that was just wrong. What is a "totty?" I don't think I want to know...
I've been thinking a lot about women in climbing,... and there is a saying in BASE jumping that "girlfriends die." It mean that while 10% of BASE jumbers are women, they have a higher fatality rate (35%). While statistics can be skewed, it points out something I've wondered about climbing. Were the women jumping because their men wanted to show off, and they didn't have the strength or experience to pull it off?
Are mediocre guys taking girls to the crags to teach them climbing in hopes of getting a little action?
I think you really have to be careful who you decide to accept instruction from, and if he has a "romantic" notion, don't climb with him.
The best situation is - I think someone objective can teach you a lot more and then you don't have to worry if he is overstating his qualifications because he has an agenda....
thoughts?
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This is from the BASE jumping website. If you substitute "climbing" for BASE jump" - well, it gives one pause:
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Because of the issues surrounding women in a heavily male pastime, you need to be extra-careful in screening potential BASE mentors. Be certain that you want to BASE jump for you, not him, and that his foremost concern is your safety, not getting into your pants. From the beginning, you must be strong enough, and smart enough to back out of a potentially dangerous situation. Don’t count on the guys at the DZ to be looking out for you—they may be too busy checking you out.
Things for a woman to look for in a BASE mentor:
1) a qualified woman (since the number of these in the world can be counted on my fingers, you may have difficulty finding one)
2) someone who has no romantic interest in you, and in whom you have no romantic interest
3) someone who treats you exactly as they treat any other prospective student
Things to immediately disqualify a prospective mentor:
1) any degree of sexual tension between you
2) any romantic relationship between you
3) a mentor who is not qualified to teach
4) someone who helps or wants you to shortcut the normal learning progression
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allan_thomson
Jul 15, 2003, 11:09 PM
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[quote="watersprite"]ok Allen, that was just wrong. What is a "totty?" I don't think I want to know...
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Totty is just a British nickname for a tasty looking girl.
Seriously though, I was only joking when I said that (Didn't the wink give it away?), mind you I would rather go out with an outdoor girl, than the boring townies I've been with. Talk about clash of interests!.
I certainly wouldn't take an inexperienced girl to the crags just to get some action, and I agree that to do so is highly irresponsable. There are easier and safer ways to get laid. I would quite happily accept tuition off a female climber (I don't care what their gender is, as long as they know what they're doing (climbing before anyone makes an innapropriate joke), and with a female like a male climber, I wouldn't climb with them unless they had more experience than I had (at least at the moment.) I really don't give a damn what gender my partner was, and though I might find them attractive before or after the climb, when I'm belaying, my mind is on the safety of the individual concerned, not on staring at their tits, arse or face (I have belayed for a girl in the past). A dead girlfriend is very bad thing , and once on the rockface, they are your partner, not your girlfriend. There is no point in showing off. But it is a bit patronising to suggest that lads are so enraptured by the girl they find attractive, that all thoughts of safety go out of their head.
By the way would you apply the same logic for gay climbers? What happens if your female instructor was lesbian? Just cos you like someone doesn't mean you have to mope around and act stupid, and go to pieces, and are not capable of climbing with them, and do you not think its a bit unrealistic to expect most climbing lads not to be attracted to a climbing female?
I am very sarcastic sometimes, and your not the first (or the last) to take my humour the wrong way. You made some very important points though, especially regarding unqualified (inexperienced) mentors.
Also if you'd noticed my statment was about experienced climbing girls, not just some girl I asked out. Anyway, I'd admit that experienced climbing girls are probably a damn site better than the men, cos they have more flexibility (due to gymnastics), and they'd be teaching me.
Sorry no offence meant, lighten up cos at the end of the day we're all climbers.
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watersprite
Jul 16, 2003, 12:01 AM
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ok, I'm light already. That site on BASE jumpers scared me. They are just out of their minds...
given that safety concerns should be gender-neutral, I have seen a few threads here re: men losing concentration when "hot" girls are nearby (What was your biggest fall?) and rants about doofuses at the crags with their Bettys (she was on route and crying, and he was making her go up), that I thought it might be a worthwhile topic.
In the end, no man, and no woman either, should play another man's game.
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allan_thomson
Jul 16, 2003, 4:48 PM
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In reply to: ok, I'm light already. That site on BASE jumpers scared me. They are just out of their minds... given that safety concerns should be gender-neutral, I have seen a few threads here re: men losing concentration when "hot" girls are nearby (What was your biggest fall?) and rants about doofuses at the crags with their Bettys (she was on route and crying, and he was making her go up), that I thought it might be a worthwhile topic. In the end, no man, and no woman either, should play another man's game.
I agree strongly. You've just hit the nail on the head.
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rockfool
Jul 17, 2003, 5:35 AM
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We all know that guys will be reading the posts getting put up. If it was something we do not want guys to see we will not post. Its good to get a guys point of view on certain things. Im sure if there was guys room we'd be entering :wink:
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timart
Jul 24, 2003, 2:03 PM
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Is there some thing wrong with a guy wanting to learn more about girls and is there some thing wrong with a girl wanting to learn more about a guy’s option? Both side tend to have very different views. Getting the insight on a Ladies point can help a guy from making an uninformed option or decision.
My climbing partner is a girl and a dam good one. I have learned more from watching her climb then most of the guys. Being that I am not the tallest guy on the rocks watching a girl climber figure out a problem with grace and finesse rather then brute strength helps a ton. If it was not for places like the ladies room I think many questions might go unanswered and that would be a crime.
Guys coming in here to find answer should not be shunned it should be encouraged. I this is a place to find answer to question like “What do you do if you’re belying a person what out weights you” being that most guys out weight the girls they are climbing with. I guess these questions could be asked on a beginners form or to the general public but the answers from here I think are more honest.
Well that is my 2 cents on the topic. Thanks for letting me in.
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watersprite
Jul 25, 2003, 12:01 AM
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I agree with getting different viewpoints...
I may owe Allan an apology, and I don't want to scare anyone away.
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allan_thomson
Jul 25, 2003, 1:07 AM
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Thanks Watersprite, and I apologise if I've wound you up. You seem pretty cool when your not being bitchy. :) :) :) :)
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watersprite
Jul 25, 2003, 6:39 AM
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's cool. Ask me anything. I'm feeling.... expansive...
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timstich
Jul 25, 2003, 2:47 PM
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In reply to: To the boys - what brings you into this room and are you affected by what you read here?
One thing I've come to appreciate is that everything affects you. To the degree that it does and how permanent the effect is the only question. But more to the point perhaps, I don't completely judge anyone from a few words they typed somewhere. Gotta reserve judgement for after meeting them in person. Otherwise, the only judgement I make concerns how much the online interaction is worth. Is this person candid? Are they humorous? Can I learn from them? Are they self-absorbed? That kind of thing. But whether the posts are "girlie" from the women or "macho" from the guys it makes no difference to me. It's but a small piece of the personality puzzle; a very small piece.
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timstich
Jul 25, 2003, 2:52 PM
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In reply to: ...I may owe Allan an apology, and I don't want to scare anyone away. I'm working on treating everyone with respect and if I have come across as a smartass lately, I'm sorry. but just lately, it sucks to be me...
Apologizing makes me feel better, especially if I mean it. Sorry if you are feeling irritable lately. I know the feeling only too well. It can be tremendously useful if channeled correctly, though. And don't discount applying small controlled dosages of distilled spirits as a reward for good behavior. Small dosages, mind you.
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watersprite
Jul 25, 2003, 4:35 PM
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small doses, got it. I'm out of vodka anyway... welcome to my nightmare. why do I have to get up early to come into the office when there is f**k all to do?
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uncertaintyprinciple
Jul 25, 2003, 8:06 PM
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In reply to: I know that a lot of guys peak into the Ladies Room. I was just wondering two things. To the girls - how do you feel knowing that guys are reading your girly posts? To the boys - what brings you into this room and are you affected by what you read here?
I was just wondering what was the catalyst of the discussion that was going on in community about strong women and their intimidation of "men". Haven't really read anything yet, but I'll let you know if it affects me. :wink:
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watersprite
Jul 25, 2003, 10:10 PM
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um, I think it was something crazylikeajeff mentioned, but then,... I've been very catalytical lately
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Jul 26, 2003, 2:12 AM
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This post is on the original question. I poke my head in this room because Its really interesting sometimes. I enjoy and sometimes don't enjoy the differences between men and women climbing partners. I think that this forum is a great place to get climbing specfic realtion ship beta. I dating my climbing partner, its awsome most of the time then its not!!! I love her to death but sometimes we can't seperate the climbing from our problems between each other and it cause a real problem. I usually just read most of the posts and there usually nothing note worthy, but I have heard some inlighting things in this forum which challegened me to think about my own relationship.
I think its a good think to allow men in here and to freely intermingale in conversation. I think this kind of open discussion helps me to identify some of my problems with our climbing relationship and our personal realtionship.
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unabonger
Aug 23, 2003, 2:15 AM
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I never peek in here.
The sneaky Unabonger
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thrillseeker05
Aug 25, 2003, 10:22 PM
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To the boys - what brings you into this room and are you affected by what you read here?...........
First of all you named this forum.. The Ladies Room. I don’t know any guy that doesn’t want to peek into the ladies room. :wink:
Secondly there are some crazy topics here unlike the front page, which has the famous shoe thread, flame war, troll, etc. over and over and over.
Last and most importantly… I admire all the ladies. I admire how you climb, and I admire how you get along with all the guys… so I like to read your stuff and learn more about you and also hopefully learn some things for myself.
Thanks
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