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bumblie
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So many people in this site tend to represent the the extreme left or right on hot issues. I have been accused of of everthing from Ultra-rightwing, facist, dittohead to bleeding heart, idiot, liberal.
I tend to view myself as fairly conservative/libertarian, but I'm very opposed to Bush & Cos. open door policy towards the environment and our natural resources.
Take this test and post your results.
http://www.politicalcompass.org/
I scored Economic - Left/Right -2.77
Authoritarian/Libertarian +0.77
PS Don't cheat - Just take the test.
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stewbabby
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My results
Left /right: +1.50
Authoritarian/Libertarian: +0.15
Thats probably about right, although I tend to make up my mind on each issue on an individual basis based on the facts and my own moral/ethical beliefs.
stewart
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Economic Left/Right: -2.62
Authoritarian/Libertarian: -1.85
Son of a Bitch! I think I'm a communist... :? :shock:
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Economic Left/Right: -5.62
Authoritarian/Libertarian: -5.85
Very interesting test.
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Economic Left/Right: -4.75
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yep...not surprised.
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Economic Left/Right: -4.21
Authoritarian/Libertarian: -4.55
The only problem with this survey is there's no middle option.
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Economic Left/Right: 0.38
Authoritarian/Libertarian: -4.31
I thought I was a Green Anarchist. :roll:
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I'm:
Economic Left/Right: -5.62
Authoritarian/Libertarian: -6.15
No surprise there for me, either, except that I always thought of myself as slightly more conservative than that. :)
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I think this is good???? :?
Economic Left/Right: -3.62
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sez I'm an extreme leftist, but right on the boundary between libertarianism and authoritarianism.
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good one bumblie....
I'm right where I thought
Economic Left/Right: -7.00
Authoritarian/Libertarian: -5.13
me and my homie Ghandi. ;)
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Pretty much what I thought....a bit economically right, socially uber-left.
In other words, sorta anti-authority.
Economic Left/Right: 0.12
Authoritarian/Libertarian: -5.23
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Economic Left/Right -4.38
Authoritarian/Libertarian -5.49
About what I'd expect, but perhaps a little tilted toward the extreme because, as someone mentioned, there is no middle answer. On some questions I didn't care one way or the other, but I was forced to choose a position. Also, some questions made assumptions that are outdated. For instance, the one about inflaction vs. unemployment - I don't believe there is much of a direct correlation between the two as there was 15 years ago.
Interesting.
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In reply to: skibabeage Well, that explains a lot! I'm an Economic Left/Right: -7.62 Authoritarian/Libertarian: -6.72 Right there with my pal Gandhi. Interesting test. In reply to: Elvislegs Economic Left/Right: -5.62 Authoritarian/Libertarian: -5.85 Very interesting test. In reply to: mwbtle Economic Left/Right: -4.75 Authoritarian/Libertarian: -5.38 yep...not surprised. In reply to: arrettinator Economic Left/Right: -4.21 Authoritarian/Libertarian: -4.55 In reply to: phaedrus I'm: Economic Left/Right: -5.62 Authoritarian/Libertarian: -6.15 No surprise there for me, either, except that I always thought of myself as slightly more conservative than that. In reply to: howitzer good one bumblie.... I'm right where I thought Economic Left/Right: -7.00 Authoritarian/Libertarian: -5.13 me and my homie Ghandi. In reply to: hugepedro Economic Left/Right -4.38 Authoritarian/Libertarian -5.49 About what I'd expect, but perhaps a little tilted toward the extreme because, as someone mentioned, there is no middle answer. On some questions I didn't care one way or the other, but I was forced to choose a position. Also, some questions made assumptions that are outdated. For instance, the one about inflaction vs. unemployment - I don't believe there is much of a direct correlation between the two as there was 15 years ago. Interesting. |
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Add another pinko to your list, bakedjake:
Economic Left/Right: -7.75
Authoritarian/Libertarian: -6.77
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In reply to: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: Oh my god!!!!! I've been hanging out with a bunch of lefties!!!! What is my mother going to think!!!!!
Heh, you're not too far off yourself, Dave. :D
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Apr 30, 2003, 6:38 PM
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Bwahhh haawwww!!!
An honest -8.12 and -8.15!!
Got you all beat!
But, as hugepedro said, I'd have scored less down and left had there been a neutral option.
And, go figure, I'm really excited about going off to read Adam Smith with my freshmen in an hour. I like him! How does that compute??
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Here's why, I guess. Because the father of classical economics doesn't sugarcoat the truth:
"Civil government...is in reality instituted for the defence of the rich against the poor, or of those who have some property against those who have none at all..." --The Wealth of Nations
And because he argued for high wages for labor when other people assumed it would just make workers lazy and spoiled.
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Apr 30, 2003, 6:47 PM
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Economic Left/Right -6.50
Authoritarian/Liberitarian -6.10
A little more liberal than I thought, but I'll take it.
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Economic Left/Right: -3.12
Authoritarian/Libertarian: -2.36
And many people I know would have believed that I lean a little further up and to the right.
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Economic Left/Right: -2.62
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Ok who would've guessed!!
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Apr 30, 2003, 7:47 PM
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Economic Left/Right: -1.38
Authoritarian/Libertarian: -1.44
Just a little bit left but as was said there were no neutral answers which I probably would have selected for some of the questions. Interesting!
* Not rubbing elbows with Ghandi but then again, a long way from Hitler and Stalin!
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Economic Left/Right: -4.38
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there should definitely be a middle answer.
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bumblie
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Regarding neutral answers the website says:
"This makes it too easy for people to duck difficult issues. By forcing people to take a positive or negative stance, the propositions make people really evaluate their feelings. Often people find they wanted to select 'don't know' mainly because they'd never really thought about the idea. "
Makes sense to me.
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Libertarian Left (Gandhi) LR-2,6, AL-3,74.
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In reply to: Bwahhh haawwww!!! An honest -8.12 and -8.15!! Got you all beat!
Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -9.38
Authoritarian/Libertarian: -8.92
sucka
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dixieclimber
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economic left/right 5.88
Authoritarian/libertatrian 1.74
yall are a bunch of commies :shock:
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shortfatoldguy
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Okay, styndall, that'll be quite enough of your radical-chic posturing. :lol:
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andy_lemon
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In reply to: yall are a bunch of commies :shock:
I know dude!!! :cry: What'll I do? I'm willing to change...
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In reply to: economic left/right 5.88 Authoritarian/libertatrian 1.74 yall are a bunch of commies :shock:
As opposed to a bunch of closed-minded rednecks.?.?.?
;)
It's okay, I used to be one too until I learned to read and to form my opinions based on fact instead of tradition.
j/k, but you started with the name calling.
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Finally some hope that not everyone here is a CURT :lol: :lol: :lol:
yours truly,
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Apr 30, 2003, 10:20 PM
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not a suprise -
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hugepedro
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In reply to: Bwahhh haawwww!!! An honest -8.12 and -8.15!! Got you all beat! But, as hugepedro said, I'd have scored less down and left had there been a neutral option. And, go figure, I'm really excited about going off to read Adam Smith with my freshmen in an hour. I like him! How does that compute??
I knew you were trouble.
No surprise regarding Adam Smith. Organization of Work gave birth to one of the greatest improvements in productivity of workers. And, I know you know this - productivity improvement is the only mechanism that improves a worker's standard of living. Organization of Information is the next massive productivity flux (it hasn't quite happened yet - I'm not talking about dot com crap). Scientific organization of knowledge, information and data, for specific purpose. And now I'm boring everybody else, so I'll just shut up.
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Kinda pinko -- about where I thought. I've always considered myself an unhealthy mix of libertarian and socialist. I usually side with issues favouring personal responsibility over state control, while on the otherhand I value a social welfare system. (I also believe that many social programs as a whole are cost-effective for a society in the long term.)
However I had a lot of trouble with some of those questions. They deliberately polarize the issues.
When there is a question is it A or B, I can't help but think, "that is really over-simplifying the issue".
I think my ideal test would have a few more dimensions to it... and some fuzzy logic.
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Economic Left/Right: -4.38
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And what meataxe said.
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hugepedro: I want to make time to read more of The Wealth of Nations than the selections I assigned. (I've had my hands full just reading enough background material on it to be able to provide some context for a few discussion sessions--it's well outside my own niche in the division of labor.) But his arguments are so clearly presented, and he seems so clear-eyed and fair-minded. From the way his name gets tossed around and by whom, one might expect something rather doctrinaire. But even though he celebrates the beneficial effects of the division of labor, he worries deeply about the effects of specialized, routinized tasks on laborers. He wants mercantilist government off the backs of traders, but he acknowledges that only in a well-governed state can the free market extend its benefits to the working classes. There's something there for everybody.
And what meataxe said.
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Economic Left/Right = +3.00
Authoritarian / Libertarian = -1.74
Curt
Nice to see some of the socialist leaning results from those educated far beyond any native intellect they may posess.
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If you are way Libertarian how can you favor one economic policy over another? If the government allows me to make money (and keep it) anyway I see fit then I am Right (charity), if the government takes all my money and puts me in jail then I am Left (welfare).
[inflamatory]
Right now we need welfare because the rich people of the world are all insane and only give 'charity' (read: guns, bombs, and money) to White Christians, throw all minorities into jail, and are on a jihad to rid the world of Islam. When the revolution comes and rich whities are exterminated then we won't need welfare because the spiritually enlightened will control all the resources and charity will provide for all.
-centmass Awaits a Visit from Homeland Security
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Economic Left/Right 3.50
Authoritarian/Libertarian 2.31
And yes I too have read Adam Smith The Wealth Of Nations. A bit dry (classic understatement) but there`s lots of good stuff in there.
I thought I was going along swimmingly around the middle of the road when bam those last two pages of questions hit me between the eyes and swung me wildly towards where I ended up. I actually thought that I was gunna be a pinko commy but nuh I`m a redneck.
I had to think pretty hard about some of those questions earlier on like the one about if the artist is more important than the businessman. For me they are equally important but then I had to give it to the businessman because with bucks the artist wouldn`t be able to be supported.
...Phil...
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^^Dry?
"Nobody has ever seen a dog with a bone enter into a contract for the free and fair exchange for another bone with another dog."
That's good dry Scots humor. Ya gotta love it.
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http://www.jul3s.com/images/rc.jpg
I found myself thinking "someone should graph this stuff" so I figured I would.
I think I got everyone up to centmass.
kinda neat to look at.
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oh yeah... and if someone knows how to get the names on there, lemme know and i'll send you the .xls file. i'm too lazy to put them in by hand.
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Economic left/right -4.50
Authoritarian/Libertarian -3.69
Gandhi would be proud 8)
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In reply to: In reply to: economic left/right 5.88 Authoritarian/libertatrian 1.74 yall are a bunch of commies :shock: As opposed to a bunch of closed-minded rednecks.?.?.? ;) It's okay, I used to be one too until I learned to read and to form my opinions based on fact instead of tradition. j/k, but you started with the name calling. :D
Conserveatism is not really a tradition in my family in fact my grandfather and father were both libertarians. I base my opinions on right and wrong acording to my faith other than that i base them on the constitution.
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I was just playing with ya...no worries...as I'm sure you were just having a little fun with calling those leftist pigs commies...;)
It's all good! :D
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In reply to: I base my opinions on right and wrong acording to my faith other than that i base them on the constitution.
Couldn't have said it better!
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Based on Juliana's graph, most of those who took the test are Anarchistic Commies. This is not meant to be an insult, just an observation...and possibly a slight troll.
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In reply to: Based on Juliana's graph, most of those who took the test are Anarchistic Commies. This is not meant to be an insult, just an observation... and possibly a slight troll. |
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After 8 years of living in Eugene, I think "commie anarchist" down there is spelled S H E E P. 99% of those dorks don't even know what they're talking about.
I, OTOH, am a TRUE commie anarchist. Dunno about the gay-o-meter, though. :mrgreen:
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Just checked out the Gay-o-meter and I am happy to report I am 53% gay (well-adjusted hetero babe...so it said) and of course a well-adjusted commie anarchist due to my Canadian/French/Spanish/Welsh/Jewish/Humanitarian/US Permanent Resident but living in Italy at the moment (therefore possibley slightly fascist) background
oh and I AM WOMAN...hear me ROAR
And hey! I even climb....
But I SWEAR...I have NEVER been to Eugene, Oregon....EVER...and I took a bath yesterday....or was it last week....hmmmmmm
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This gay-o-meter thing is crap. I mean take a guy in 8th grade that gets held down and gang banged buy the whole football team after one of thier practices in the locker room, this does not make him gay. However, guys watching a football game and sitting around in thier underwear,,is pretty f%^&ing GAY!!!!!!!
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Wait a second!!! we're all lefties. Sinistra :shock: Who would have huessed :wink: All right!!!! but who was the righty I saw in the graph????
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the furthest-right (and highest-up) person is dixieclimber.
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Thanks for the link. I took something like this in highschool and I think that the test said I was a facist. Freshman year in college I thought that I was a reactionary, wrong. And now; Economic Left/Right: -4.88 Authoritarian/Libertarian -3.64. Dead on with Gandhi.
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Economic Left/Right: -1.88
Authoritarian/Libertarian: 1.23
HA! Scoot over Lenin!
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How do you add/link something? I whipped up a chart for Julina with names! Juliana if you want to know how to add names then PM me and I will explain.
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May 1, 2003, 11:50 PM
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In reply to: http://www.jul3s.com/images/rc.jpg I found myself thinking "someone should graph this stuff" so I figured I would. I think I got everyone up to centmass. kinda neat to look at.
At first look at the graph I though you just had a severe multiple personality disorder.
Right/ Left: -4.50
Auth/ Lib: -2.26
If there was an essay option I would have scored a point in all four corners. I considered most of those questions to be trivial.
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May 2, 2003, 7:04 AM
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about what i expected:
Economic Left/Right: -4.88
Authoritarian/Libertarian: -4.97
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Looking at the the international chart, I notice I'm closest to Pope John Paul II. But I'm not too active in my faith. This got me thinking about all people who posted that they were right there with Gandhi.
Gandhi (and The Dalai Lama) both exemplified total commitment to their faith. They matured into men of greatness by living through their spirituality. Put another way, their religious faith was/is the core of their being.
I wonder how many of the people who aligned themselves with Gandhi practice some form of a major religion.
It's been my experience that people who have an animosity towards Christianity seem to be "left-left". I don't have a frame of reference regarding other major religions.
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Thats a really interesting point, bumblie.
I have no animosity towards christianity, and I'm somewhat out near gandhi. But I don't practice, though I grew up in a fairly religious (church every sunday) family.
One thing to consider, is it that lefties have animosity towards christianity, religion, or whatever, or just that they are leftist libertarians and many of the christian varieties of religion are more authoritarian and right than they are? gandhi and the dalai lama weren't/aren't christians...that may be a big thing.
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citybehindthesevenmountns
May 4, 2003, 4:00 AM
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economic left right: -5.00
authoritarian/libertarian: -4.75
omg im like ghandi
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economic left/right -5.38
authoritarian / libertarian 3.03
so what the f does that mean?
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^you're Stalin!!! :lol:
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Nothing surprising here;
Liberal Leftist
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Up there with Nelson Mandela and the Dalai Lama. Oh, and Ralph Nader. :lol:
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May 4, 2003, 7:39 PM
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Hmmm, Verrrrry Interesting.........
Economic Left/Right: -4.88
Authoritarian/Libertarian: -2.92
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May 4, 2003, 8:55 PM
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Okay. i'll bite.
Economic Left/Right: -6.12
Authoritarian/Libertarian: -6.21
Right there with my main man the Dalai Lama...
BOO YA
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Economic Left/Right: 4.50
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dixieclimber...................................7.62 overall score.
extrememountaineer..................6.40
philbox..........................................5.81
djmclimber....................................4.63
Most of the rest of you are just plain communists, no wonder all you do is complain about this conservative country.
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citybehindthesevenmountns
May 5, 2003, 4:59 AM
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by climbing as much as we can.
and also by harrasing conserratives :D
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citybehindthesevenmountns
May 5, 2003, 5:03 AM
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In reply to: http://www.jul3s.com/images/rc.jpg I found myself thinking "someone should graph this stuff" so I figured I would. I think I got everyone up to centmass. kinda neat to look at.
u should put the rest of the data to see if climbers r generally leftwinged
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extrememountaineer
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In reply to: u should put the rest of the data to see if climbers r generally leftwinged
You don't need the rest of the data...take it from me, most climbers are tree hugging socialists.
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In reply to: In reply to: I wonder how many of the people who aligned themselves with Gandhi practice some form of a major religion. My religion/personal spirituality is deeply tied with the natural world, so if I had to align with a major religion it would most likely be Buddhism, but there's a healthy dose of Native American spirituality blended in as well. I admire the Dalai Lama but am not certain I have the center of peace both he and Gandhi lived. Maybe that's where Geronimo, Cochise, and the Spirit of the Peaceful Warrior come into the picture.
My point was these two have/had a high degree of devotion and commitment to their religious beliefs, particularly in the face of hostile forces. This unyeilding faith in a higher being and higher purpose makes them unique and is primary to their greatness.
You, on the other hand, may consider yourself highly spiritual. From what you have written, your spirituality is one of convenience. A cornucopia of desirable aspects of different faiths. This may help you in daily life, but it lacks the commitment of any major religion.
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Here's another test that might interest you. It's quick and easy.
http://www.sailinganarchy.com/general/2002/cool_test.htm
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The point I was trying to make was that it requires significantly more to be a devout Muslim, Christian or Buddhist than to be meber of the Church of Martha.
This is not a troll.
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Economic Left/Right: -1.25
Authoritarian/Libertarian: -5.49
About what I figured, though I thought I would be a bit more centered economically. Authoritarians scare me.
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...Ok, i am lurking with some pretty dern intelligent peeps here, so i thought i would ask a little question for anyone wanting to answer.
i'm a bit new to all this political stuff.
can someone explain (in laimen's terms) this political compas in a nutshell? i think i have the basic idea, but would like clarification.
First off, i know that i'm a hippy tree hugging granola eater. i could tell because my dot on the graph was very close to Ghandi and the Dalai Lama's...
But what is all this Left Wing, Right Wing who ha?
Seeking wisdom from all who care to respond,
-M (who dosen't know the 1st thing about politics):oops:
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Martha, I am not sure what was meant but what I got was that you sort of "creating" your own religion allows you to change rules as you see fit. Whereas someone who believes in an established major religion may not change something they don't like because they are not allowed to. This would imply that it takes more devotion to follow one of those religions.
However, due to the fact that these religions writings and teachings are interpreted in a different way by almost every human practicing them, I don't really think that it does take more devotion.
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In reply to: ...Ok, i am lurking with some pretty dern intelligent peeps here, so i thought i would ask a little question for anyone wanting to answer. i'm a bit new to all this political stuff. can someone explain (in laimen's terms) this political compas in a nutshell? i think i have the basic idea, but would like clarification. First off, i know that i'm a hippy tree hugging granola eater. i could tell because my dot on the graph was very close to Ghandi and the Dalai Lama's... But what is all this Left Wing, Right Wing who ha? Seeking wisdom from all who care to respond, -M (who dosen't know the 1st thing about politics):oops:
i generally believe in the libertatian principle but i dissagree with them on their traditionaly pro abortion stance and on their economy.
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May 5, 2003, 10:24 PM
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Dixie climber spewed: In reply to: you are right that you dont know a thing about polotics if you are down by dali lama
That's polo-TRICKS. No need to patronize, she was asking a legitimate question.
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SKi wrote:In reply to: I understand the point you and Bumblie are making about doctrine, but I also feel there is great strength and power in understanding a number of religions, or "tasting from the menu."
I'm not making that point. I don't see it as a valid point. I just felt I understood what bumblie said, and thought I would clarify. I personally feel the way you do. I don't think there is only ONE religion that is overarching to all people. I see good in many faiths and un-faiths. I agree with you very much Martha.
OK Gotta go, I am meeting my brother for climbing. :wink:
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lilred, don't be led astray by the liberals...find yourself a good conservative mentor and learn from him/her.
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Meghan,
In a nutshell, left wing is liberal (i.e. Democrat in the US) with the extreme left wing represented by socialist and communist adherents. Right wing is conservative (i.e. Republican in the US) with the extremists represented by the religious right or--in some cases totalitarians.
In my opinion, left and right are blurred somewhat in the US these days as the mainstream Democratic and Republican positions have moved closer together.
Curt
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Points well clarified, but then what is the point of religion if it's not wholly personal? Can one not take the basic tenets (and as you pointed out, all religions are open to interpretation) and imbue oneself with what holds meaning, then discard the rest? Is there any one religion that is perfect and requires no challenge?
in Christinaity it is completely personal its about having a personal relationship with Christ. the rules are put out to protect us from hurting our selves they are Gods way of showing his love by telling us how to live best. the greatest misconception about my religion is that its about rule keeping to get to heaven.
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A lot of you are saying that all monotheistic religions are basically the same. Not true. there is one that stands apart from all others... Christianity. It is the only one that does not require the people to do anything to get into heaven. It is a free gift from God. All the person has to do is ask. All other monotheistic religions require some form of "works" to have eternal life in heaven.
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That is exactly what i'm atempting to accomplish ~wink~
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hmm, i'd recommend chatting with skibby, curt, and atg.
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citybehindthesevenmountns
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In reply to: A lot of you are saying that all monotheistic religions are basically the same. Not true. there is one that stands apart from all others... Christianity. It is the only one that does not require the people to do anything to get into heaven. It is a free gift from God. All the person has to do is ask. All other monotheistic religions require some form of "works" to have eternal life in heaven.
i would like for u to give me some example about ur point of view.
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curt
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In reply to: In reply to: In my opinion, left and right are blurred somewhat in the US these days as the mainstream Democratic and Republican positions have moved closer together. Wow, Curt, interesting perspective. I've thought for some time that our government was becoming more bi-partisan. But then, VT Senator Patrick Leahy moved from Republican to Democrat, so that would make sense. But there still seems to be so much devisiveness in Congress, a real "us v. them" mentality. Am I simply reading it wrong?
Well of course there is still a good deal of positioning going on between the parties, in order to gain political advantage. What I was referring to was that the mainstream philosophies of the Democratic and Republican parties both seem to be moving to the center of the political spectrum. This does not mean that there are not fringe elements of both parties who are diametrically opposed in philosophy--only that the basic platforms of the parties are becoming increasingly similar.
Curt
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In reply to: I understand the point you and Bumblie are making about doctrine, but I also feel there is great strength and power in understanding a number of religions, or "tasting from the menu."
This sounds like a religion of convenience. When one aspect of your faith is challenged, you can just opt it out. I don't think Gandhi or The Dalai Lama every "opted out" difficult aspects of their faiths.
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In reply to: A lot of you are saying that all monotheistic religions are basically the same. Not true. there is one that stands apart from all others... Christianity. It is the only one that does not require the people to do anything to get into heaven. It is a free gift from God. All the person has to do is ask. All other monotheistic religions require some form of "works" to have eternal life in heaven.
I beg to differ a little.
For some denominations of christianity this is true.
For Catholicism...not so true. You have to go to church every sunday, and go to reconciliation once a month, and this and that and the other thing. And do good works and give to the poor and etc etc. It becomes a "earning" your way into heaven.
Even though they say thats not what they teach, it is, I went to catholic school my whole life, and if you didn't want to go to confession, a nun would take you aside and explain to you why you HAD to.
But thats all just quibbling...carry on.
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In reply to: A lot of you are saying that all monotheistic religions are basically the same. Not true. there is one that stands apart from all others... Christianity. It is the only one that does not require the people to do anything to get into heaven. It is a free gift from God. All the person has to do is ask. All other monotheistic religions require some form of "works" to have eternal life in heaven. |
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the thing that sucks about christianity is that you can be a great person, but if you don't believe in this all powerful invisible man you are damned - isn't this awfully arbitrary and unfair to those who are located in a geographically inconvenient location to hear about christianity? personally, i think a religion that expects good deeds from a person rather than only requiring a person to constantly reaffirm his belief is more valid. is the christian god insecure, and also so dismissive of our abilities that nothing good is expected of us? lame.
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I was taught in school that with faith no explanation is needed and without it no explanation is possible, also that as long as you love God, you can do what you want because you'll only do things that please God, since you love him. We were also told that good people who aren't christian/Catholic might not make it to heaven but certainly wouldn't go to hell.
I don't know what I believe in, but I certainly think that being a good person goes much farther than believing in God and being a bad person. So, for instance, ghandi vs. the catholic priests involved in that little scandal.
At any rate, arguing about it doesn't really change anyone's view if they believe strongly enough. We'll all find out who was right eventually.
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In reply to: Of course, there are those who follow any faith blindly and in some instances believe through the doctrine of forgiveness that no matter how naughty we are as long as we go to confession our sins will be forgiven and we'll all make it to Heaven. Personally, I'd rather be held responsible for my actions.
Confession always bugged me because of that. I don't know how many Catholics are out there, or lapsed Catholics...but thats the one tennant I had the most trouble with. Seems to me they preach both ways. That if you ask forgiveness you will always be forgiven, but also if you do bad things or even just skip church on sundays you will go to hell. I think its more about forgiving yourself...and I think thats why confession started, the idea being that if you were truly sorry you'd go to confession, and then you'd be able to forgive yourself. But its become something else entirely. So now you have to go and confess things like being mean to people or having dirty thoughts, even if you don't feel you want/need forgiveness. I've never felt I've had anything to confess. If there is a god, and he's the God of the bible, he knows I did it, and if I'm sorry he knows that too.
Sorry, I'm being offtopic.
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[quote="atg200"]the thing that sucks about christianity is that you can be a great person, but if you don't believe in this all powerful invisible man you are damned - isn't this awfully arbitrary and unfair to those who are located in a geographically inconvenient location to hear about christianity? personally, i think a religion that expects good deeds from a person rather than only requiring a person to constantly reaffirm his belief is more valid. is the christian god insecure, and also so dismissive of our abilities that nothing good is expected of us? lame.[/quote
Who said anything about fair? For all have sined and fall short of the glory of God. We have never deserved heaven some of us are fortunate enough to receive the gift of redemtion.
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In reply to: In reply to: In reply to: In my opinion, left and right are blurred somewhat in the US these days as the mainstream Democratic and Republican positions have moved closer together. Wow, Curt, interesting perspective. I've thought for some time that our government was becoming more bi-partisan. But then, VT Senator Patrick Leahy moved from Republican to Democrat, so that would make sense. But there still seems to be so much devisiveness in Congress, a real "us v. them" mentality. Am I simply reading it wrong? Well of course there is still a good deal of positioning going on between the parties, in order to gain political advantage. What I was referring to was that the mainstream philosophies of the Democratic and Republican parties both seem to be moving to the center of the political spectrum. This does not mean that there are not fringe elements of both parties who are diametrically opposed in philosophy--only that the basic platforms of the parties are becoming increasingly similar. Curt
I agree with Curt. The parties are moving closer to the center. They have to. They are both being funded by essentially the same people/corporations, it's no surprise that their motivations are becoming like. There is fighting on the fringe, always will be, but I think most of the pitched divisiveness is due to the fact that most of them are now fighting over the same ground more than trying to occupy different ground. It's like a game of king of the mountain.
On the religious discussion . . . I was raised a very fundamentalist Christian, but as I grew older I found so many logical holes in that belief system that I couldn't buy into it. I know a lot of people make it work for them, and that's cool with me, just doesn't work for me. Now I've got my own religion. I've found that trying to have a logical discussion about religion is usually fruitless - it's a topic that doesn't lend itself well to logical reasoning. And, unless each party can accept that the other's spiritual practice is completely valid for them, and won't cause them to go to hell, you won't find much common ground. It's an inherent nature of most doctrines that you will go to hell if you don't believe the right things, so how can it be possible to accept the belief system of another? Not very, in most cases.
Cheers,
Peter
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In reply to: AND, it once again goes back to an extremely personal relationship with our idea of God/Creator/Great Spirit. There really is no need to have a "middle-man." The Creator is all-seeing and all-knowing and, as you've pointed out, "gets it" without our even verbalizing it. The process of confession is a man-made tool to entice people to take responsibility. Those with a strong Conscience really don't need that tool because their faith and knowledge carries them directly into a conversation with The Creator.
I'm with ya dude!!! Financing of world religions ceates a self perpetuating cycle. Middleman now eliminated.... the peeps start meditating on what self and god are.
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hmm, okay. i'll try to keep my abstract god-loving mumbo jumbo as clean as possible, but my personal faith is mostly based on the god the father metaphor. (notice the use of the adjective, "personal" .. i could care less about trying to convert people to my belief system.)
anyways, i strongly believe that God/Creator or whatever you want to call this spiritual entity has a parental (not paternal, but parental) quality to it. i believe that this essence wants us to be happy and live fulfilling lives, and i believe that we have attached human qualities to God in an attempt to understand something that is mostly beyond comprehension. i do not believe that i will have a one-way ticket to hell if i forget confessions, question my faith, or even sin a little. personally, i think the provisions of forgiveness are there for our sake more than anything else, and i believe that the concept of sin is based mostly on our (human) systems of reward and punishment.
i struggle with believing in hell because a) the god that i know is not a vengeful god and b) i believe that sin is payed out on earth. for example, i had premarital sex and got pregnant. i have suffered lots of emotional stress because of this. i have committed other sins and have suffered the consequences - i learned my lesson, why should i have to repay a debt that's already cleared?
finally, i honestly dont worry about what happens to people with no faith. i have a solid faith that i enjoy questioning and exploring, and because i consider faith to be such a personal decision, i dont see any reason that i should bother people about theirs -- except in theoretical discussions like this.
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i was mostly just stirring the pot because of dixieclimber's ridiculous comment about christianity's obvious superiority. i really don't much care what anyone else's religion is - i just hate seeing opinion presented as fact go unopposed.
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Boy oh boy... start on religion and the peeps come crawling out of the woodwork.
I always thought we were pretty much alone here and we can make this existance a paradise/heaven or we can make it a hell.
I always thought it rather extravagant thinking to assume we have some place in a spiritual heirarchy and everlasting life.
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In this case, there are two different left/right scales.
The horizonal one has to do with economy. Far to the right has to do with a free market economy - let the market seek it's own level and ideally, equilibrium. Unfortunately, this frequently leads to the exploitation of labor. To the left you have communistic leanings. Everyone works for the common good. Tax the wealthy to care for the less fortunate. No one will live in poverty. Unfortunately, when applied on a large scale, this kills motivation or initiative.
The vertical scale relates to freedoms. On the top (or the right) you have authoritarianism - everyone tows the line. This is similar to being in the military. It's good for armies, but lousy for societies. The other end of the scale is absolute freedom to do as you wish with no restrictions - anarchy.
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In reply to: i was mostly just stirring the pot because of dixieclimber's ridiculous comment about christianity's obvious superiority. i really don't much care what anyone else's religion is - i just hate seeing opinion presented as fact go unopposed. |
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economic left/right 1.75
Authoritarian/libertatrian -2.92
*No one* was on my side of the chart on the test results and just a couple of you on Juliana's chart. So what does *that* mean. I'm a right wing anarchist? I think I need to think about this.
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^^ I think you are probably somewhere around Tony Blair.
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In reply to: economic left/right 1.75 Authoritarian/libertatrian -2.92 *No one* was on my side of the chart on the test results and just a couple of you on Juliana's chart. So what does *that* mean. I'm a right wing anarchist? I think I need to think about this. |
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They'll have to do it before I get *moldy*. Maybe Bill Gates will shelter me in part of his house and I can run amok from there. I wonder what he would score on that test?
Did anyone give me Seattle info in my no adoption thread? I've been in a celebratory alcoholic haze for the past few days. Better go check.
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Economic left/right -2.62
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I enjoyed this test.
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Economic Left/Right: -3.25
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can't say that i'm suprised by my own results of that of the majority of people here who've taken it.
i think this is gonna be fun later when i can look at flame wars and better understand who is trolling who and why.
wheres niceporch, we gotta get that snot in on this :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
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True Christianity is that spoken of in the Bible, i.e."Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved", "Not by works of righteousness which we have done but according to his MERCY he saved us", "Whosoever believeth in Him shall have everlasting life"...etc. Catholicism is NOT that Christianity. It may have started off that way but has degenerated into a bunch of man-made rituals, etc that are not Biblically required. Do not equate the Roman catholic church with true Christianity. There can be Christians that are members of the Catholic Church, or Baptist, etc. But being a true Christian is about one's relationship with God, NOT about what some man-made religion tells that person his relationship with God has to be.
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Is the dude in your signature w/ the semi-automatic also christian?
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Nope...that guy is just a smilie.
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smiling and shooting :?
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I have poo in the closet. But I'm not a christian.
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Economic Left/Right: -4.75
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Cool test!
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In fact, if you want to talk high philosophy, any religion that requires good works, rituals, or even a deep faith in heaven, is in fact nihilistic. It diverts our attention away from living a good life here on earth and causes us to always look to the clouds. Keeping in mind that heaven may not even exist, this is a major negation of life. It begs the question, why would god want us to not appreciate his creation but instead appreciate a heaven we have never seen?.
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In reply to: In fact, if you want to talk high philosophy, any religion that requires good works, rituals, or even a deep faith in heaven, is in fact nihilistic. It diverts our attention away from living a good life here on earth and causes us to always look to the clouds. Keeping in mind that heaven may not even exist, this is a major negation of life. It begs the question, why would god want us to not appreciate his creation but instead appreciate a heaven we have never seen?. |
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In reply to: In fact, if you want to talk high philosophy, any religion that requires good works, rituals, or even a deep faith in heaven, is in fact nihilistic.
The language sounds vaguely familiar, but it's been quite a while since I partook of the fungi.
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oooohh!!! big news.. I have an interview Sunday!!!!!!!!! wish me luck :D
edited; oops!!!! wrong thread.. just ignore this post
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Its Nietzsche. Mostly taken from The Gay Science as well as a little bit from Thus Spoke Zarathustra. Good stuff.
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Economic Left/Right: -5.12
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ghandi rules, i think
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In reply to: Its Nietzsche. Mostly taken from The Gay Science as well as a little bit from Thus Spoke Zarathustra. Good stuff.
loved it.
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In reply to: In fact, if you want to talk high philosophy, any religion that requires good works, rituals, or even a deep faith in heaven, is in fact nihilistic.
uhhh... no it isn't.
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In reply to: Its Nietzsche. Mostly taken from The Gay Science as well as a little bit from Thus Spoke Zarathustra. Good stuff.
All this talk about Nietsche and the what-does-it-all-mean and existential exploration,,sheeeeeeez
Ever read "The Birth of Tragedy"?
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dynamic
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(nobody has responded to me, so i will)
oh really, dynamic? well YES IT IS.
no it isn't, dynamic. you see, some religions actualize potential happiness in this life, regardless of what happens after death.
hmm, that's interesting. tell me more.
ok, thanks for asking! see, take Buddhism, for example. many of life's questions are dealt with and the subject is better off for pursuing it in a ritual fashion. another example is Hinduism, where the Way is one of existential ramification, as well as the hope for transendent aid.
good point, dynamic, but it still reeks of nihilism because the subject places focus on external factors from this life.
yeah, the way you talk is reminiscent of Ayn Rand's egoism, which was articulated concisely in "Anthem". i think, however, that egoism suffers the subject to an incomplete existence. if nietzsche was right, then why do so many people find so much merit in existential theology?
wow, maybe somebody else could answer that...
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I LIE IN THE MISSIING PLAIN. ACTUALLY CLOSER TO THE CENTRE, YEAH, THAT'S IT.
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In reply to: I LIE IN THE MISSIING PLAIN. ACTUALLY CLOSER TO THE CENTRE, YEAH, THAT'S IT.
So what your saying PORCH, and correct me if I'm wrong, is that instead of being an ordered part of a metaphysical scheme you find yourself centered and attached to something bigger. However, instead of conventional religion you create your state of being by connecting with a V-10 problem and figuring it out. This is your environment and you could give a rats ass what other people do with thier outherwise pedestrian lives.
If this is the case, I can totaly dig it.
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yeah niceporch, that was deep.
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Might I suggest switching to "Thread View" if you don't want to see a complex philosophical debate?
Dynamic,
Funny as your personal dialogue is, I don't really want to take up the sword at the moment. Finals and all.
I'm intrigued though. Existential Theology? Isn't that a contradiction in terms. The entire point is that nothing outside of our own lives is truly important, so any theology that claims to be existentialist is one or the other, but not both. I think the word you are looking for is "ideaology." On top of that, the human state is quite weak. The average Joe Schmoe is not prepared to be completely responsible for his own actions (lawsuits against gun manufacturers anyone?) and so even if he (since this is Joe Schmoe, although I supposed I could refer you to Jane Schmoe) does claim to be an existentialist, he is in fact expressing an incomplete understanding of the concept. As Nietszche points out, most people don't have the courage to be such a monolith. Of course, we see a refutation of Existentialism in T.S. Eliot's The Wasteland for this exact reason. The mind craves something more, a reassurance that when we die we don't just decay. The confusion that comes from lacking meaning, even a constructed meaning, is a heavy thing and the disjointed nature of the poem reflects that.
Most self-dubbed atheists (in the sense that they don't believe in god, I don't recall all of your monikers for such a perspective) simply avoid thinking about such things as it points out the flaws in their doctrine. It is far easier to dodge the issue than confront it and get passed it.
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dynamic
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I'm thankful that someone responded to my internal dialogue. Yes.. finals here too, so lets try and keep this brief, eh dynamic? Yes, my precious...
It may be that we are thinking about different things, or that I don't fully understand the quote from Nietzsche, but what I understood was that the nihilism which you appraised religious people to own was that of devaluing life (or something to that effect).
Nihilism in itself can be dealt with, but the real crux is that you give it to the religion to produce it. I myself find it to be a rather empty accusation, but would like to know how it works in your mind. I don't think I followed your last post, it seemed to avoid the issue (but it may just be that I read it without trying to infer too much).
The point about nihilism, is that the denial of all value is self-refuting because the denial itself places value in making this assertion. From another vantage point, it's like saying that moral ruling is an amoral institution, because one must use moral guidelines to come to this perspective.
Existentially, one places value in life on the basis of necessity. It seems to me that it should be the other way around for Nietzsche. The religious person has more meaning in life than the irreligious person could ever hope to have.
Perhaps I missed your point...
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This is all I know about Nihilists.
Vee vant zat money, Lebowski.
You think veer kidding und making mit de funny stuff?
Vee could do things you only dreamed of, Lebowski.
Ja, vee could really do it, Lebowski. Vee belief in nossing.
Vee belief in nossing, Lebowski! NOSSING!!
Tomorrow vee come back und cut off your chonson.
I SAY VEE CUT OFF YOUR CHONSON!
Just sink about zat, Lebowski.
Ja, your viggly penis, Lebowski.
Ja, und maybe vee stamp on it und skvush it, Lebowski!
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The argument that Niestzche uses (mind you I paraphrased as opposed to quoted, so keep that in mind) is that when we start placing ultimate value in life upon a higher state of existence or a higher being, we remove the value we place on our current existence, thus negating our present existence. The negation of our present existence is what Niestzche defines as nihilism. Funny then that nihilists are both very religious, and utterly lacking in faith. His response is of course existentialism, that is, the only thing that matters is the here and now. Perhaps we should start a new thread?
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dynamic
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That's basically my point, that existentialism is (or can be) religious AND focused on the here and now. Maybe a focus on Sartre should be switched to one on Kierkegaard or something. I don't think I'm interested in a new thread, however. The question hasn't caused me to think too hard, it just doesn't equate to me how it goes both ways, as you say it does for the nihilist. A nihilist is religiously nihilisitic, but as I said, this is self-defeating. Maybe you need to explain to me how Nietzsche held that to be true. Placing value on an afterlife doesn't seem (to me, anyway) to detract sufficiently from current issues unless one has an unhealthy obsession with it (which isn't oft the case).
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Well Keirkegaard was focused on the philosophical principles of Christianity as a religion to the individual, and mans struggle for freedom and his loneliness and dispair in the face of it. Nietzsche wrote of enthusiastic love for life and had strong views on industry and its effect on modern man, anything intstilled in you, not of this earth, (the father) And things pure and wholesome, nature, it cant lie to you its real(the mother). Kill the father, F%$k the mother(say that 100 times to yourself). Nihilism rejects preconcieved philosophical and ethical guidlines to authoritarianism in art, religion and politics(I believe) so I guess it depends on how you look at it.
It may just be a question of "when" does god get involved.
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Well, I got :
Economic 1.38
Authoritarian/Libertarian -3.79
I had thought I was a little (alot) more right wing economically...interesting...
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So are we done here??
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In reply to: So are we done here??
Nope! 8)
Economic Left/Right: -3.88
Authoritarian/Libertarian: -2.10
I'm by Gahndi, Chretien, and Mandela.
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One year ago today:
The political compass thread ended.
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i remeber i was kinda like gandhi, but dont feel like taking it again.
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Apparently, the Dalai Lama and I would get along well.
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In reply to: Apparently, the Dalai Lama and I would get along well.
So, what's your score?
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In reply to: In reply to: Apparently, the Dalai Lama and I would get along well. So, what's your score?
Judging from his statement I would guess it's not unlike ....The Dalai Lama's.
daa
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In reply to: In reply to: In reply to: Apparently, the Dalai Lama and I would get along well. So, what's your score? Judging from his statement I would guess it's not unlike ....The Dalai Lama's. daa
Correct. I'm sorry, but I don't remember the numbers. Call it somewhere near the middle of the bottom left quad. Actually, I'm surprised that I scored that "liberally." Hmm... Maybe I'm not as centric as I like to think.
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what the hell? i'm almost perfectly neutral, Adolf Ghandi?
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In reply to: Actually, I'm surprised that I scored that "liberally." Hmm... Maybe I'm not as centric as I like to think.
No kidding.
According to that test, I'm about the most centrist person on this site.
And djmeat, I don't recall you ever posting a score. My guess is your score would indicate you're the anarchist from hell.
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Still feel like tying up, bumblie?
Economic Left/Right: -7.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.90
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Yer a gawd dayum pinko nancyboy. :evil: :evil: :evil:
I don't think it would be a problem. :wink:
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Last time I took this test I had just moved back to the States from Canada. Thought it would be interesting to take it again after living back here for a bit over a year.
Last April:
Economic Left/Right: -7.75
Authoritarian/Libertarian: -6.77
Now:
Economic Left/Right: -7.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.28
Hm.
Bet if I took it again tomorrow the results would differ yet again.
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In reply to: Yer a gawd dayum pinko nancyboy. :evil: :evil: :evil: I don't think it would be a problem. :wink:
Cool. You bring the guns, I'll bring the bullets. I swear. hee.
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In reply to: Bet if I took it again tomorrow the results would differ yet again.
But would you ever more than a 10% change?
I doubt it. :wink:
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My results:
Economic Left/Right: 1.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.97
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here you go:
Economic Left/Right: -5.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.08
thats somewhere along dalai lama, mandela and gandhi.
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In reply to: My results: Economic Left/Right: 1.62 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.97
bluto!? you occupy the space right around where I though I was! My world has been rocked! I need to change some opinions fast! Go Bush/Cheney!
About that last bit... kidding... just kidding.
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fun stuff...that killed about 10 minute here at work...what else you got?
Economic Left/Right: -7.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.62
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In reply to: In reply to: Actually, I'm surprised that I scored that "liberally." Hmm... Maybe I'm not as centric as I like to think. No kidding. According to that test, I'm about the most centrist person on this site. And djmeat, I don't recall you ever posting a score. My guess is your score would indicate you're the anarchist from hell.
I took the test twice back in the day. The first time I had just come off a nice a flame war and was really juiced up. And my scores reflected that.
In reply to: Economic Left/Right: -6.12 Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.10
But even then I realized a massive flaw in this and really most any test for an indivigual.
In reply to: A second issue I find with the test. Is that take an individual like yourselves bumblie and danoo. You pay your taxes. You love your wife. You are part of the mainstream. And you want to believe that you are like everyone else when it comes to your views. You think your views are average since they are similar to most everyone you hang out with or interact with on a regular basis. So you take this test. And not wanting to feel extreme you give wishy washy answers. So you answer I "Disagree" with X and So instead of "Strongly disagree". Result people like yourself and Danoo score 1.XX. Strange both of you seem to be all about the bush administration and everything that they do. yet your boy bush. Seems to Fall WAAAAAAAY over the 7's or even 8's on the economic scale and at least at a 4 perhaps 5 on the authoritarian scale. Such is the problem with the self administered tests. So I will retake the test with such a "moderate minded strategy" involved. Lets just see what comes up.
My score for the second time around was a far more moderate:
Economic Left/Right: -2.75
Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.15
In reply to: Amazing what f'ing with the system can do. Suddenly I'm a moderate. And all I did was stay in the "disagree" "agree" area and avoid the 'strongly' section.
In reply to: In reply to: katydid Bet if I took it again tomorrow the results would differ yet again. But would you ever more than a 10% change? I doubt it. |
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bumblie
May 18, 2004, 6:40 PM
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It's all about integrity and honesty.
You have no problem being dishonest, if you think there's something to be gained.
As far as presidential contenders go... every viable candidate scored in the plus, plus quad. I'm more liberal than Kerry, Dean and Carol Mosley Braun. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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djmeat
May 18, 2004, 8:45 PM
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In reply to: As far as presidential contenders go... every viable candidate scored in the plus, plus quad. I'm more liberal than Kerry, Dean and Carol Mosley Braun. :lol: :lol: :lol:
Wrong. You answered questions in a way that made this test score you as more liberal than those candidates. However they did not take the test. There answers were formulated from thier voting records and speeches. Sure when taking a test you talk the talk. But I wonder how you would walk the walk?
(god forbid you got elected to Congress or even the PTA)
In reply to: It's all about integrity and honesty. You have no problem being dishonest, if you think there's something to be gained. |
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bumblie
May 18, 2004, 9:00 PM
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Your point being that I didn't take the test honestly. Well, simply put,
You're WRONG!!!
You just want to put me in the extreme to soften the appearance of your zealous ideology.
It's not the first time you've tried this non-sense. :roll:
It's all about integrity and honesty.
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bumblie
Jul 27, 2004, 7:25 PM
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Bump
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thomasribiere
Jul 27, 2004, 7:28 PM
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ahah! a good ol' thread showing up, with some meat-bumblie arguments... :D
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tgreene
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I'm just barely to the right and south of center, because I'm pretty equally passionate about issues on both sides of the aisle...
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nirvana
Jul 27, 2004, 7:57 PM
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Economic Left/Right: -3.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.28
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lemmon_squeezer
Jul 28, 2004, 10:31 PM
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dont remember the #'s but I am slightly lower and to the left of Ghandi
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