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diesel___smoke
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Why is it when I deal with Mods/Admins here, all logic is irrelevant?
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curt
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In reply to: Why is it when I deal with Mods/Admins here, all logic is irrelevant? RC.com does not promote itself as a website about logic. Curt
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In reply to: Why is it when I deal with Mods/Admins here, all logic is irrelevant? RC.com does not promote itself as a website about logic. Curt
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diesel, perhaps you are taking this site, and your problems with it a little too seriously. try this: stop being a whiny little b-tch. if after three days of non-whinyb!tchiness the symptoms persist. then take two gothehellbackwhereyoucamefroms whith water and food.
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You need to be more specific. How is logic irrelevant? Why would one need to deal with Mods/Admins in the first place? In what manner are they asses?
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diesel___smoke
Mar 16, 2004, 4:27 PM
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Are there any quotas or standards the admins/mods must meet regarding irrational behavior? From my experience, they must be held to a pretty high standard of stupidity...
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robgordon moved this thread from Suggestions & Questions to Things No One Cares About.
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diesel___smoke
Mar 16, 2004, 4:37 PM
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As I should expect, soon you will see a concentrated effort by certain people to incite flames so that they can dump this thread into community...
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keep crying babydoll. i allready moved it where it belongz IT'S A CONSPIRACY AGAINST THE WORLDZ PEACE! LLoOKOUT FOR MODZ!1 tards is right
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I don't wanna know who called that mod a sonofabitch, no. What I wanna know is... Who called that sonofabitch a mod? Hehe. Variation on an old joke about a piccolo player in church. DMT
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In reply to: Are there any quotas or standards the admins/mods must meet regarding irrational behavior? From my experience, they must be held to a pretty high standard of stupidity... If you truly desire a discussion on the merits to take place here, it would be useful for you to cite the current problem with the admin/mods you are referring to. It is rather difficult to say anything one way or the other without knowing what the hell you are talking about. Curt
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In reply to: try this: stop being a whiny little b-tch. Biatch It's biatch dude. Be-ah-ch. Get with the now.
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darn it. I thought there were going to be some nice butt shots in here.
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In reply to: In reply to: try this: stop being a whiny little b-tch. Biatch It's biatch dude. Be-ah-ch. Get with the now. i like my cussin' full strength.
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Maybe your dealing with the wrong mods and admitins. Why is it that you would need to contact one of them?
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diesel___smoke
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In reply to: ...it would be useful for you to cite the current problem with the admin/mods... Being singled out because of my public accountibility thread, and the conspiracy between the moderators and the administrators to harass, and for them to moderate every thread I post thenceforth.
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diesel___smoke
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In reply to: ...it would be useful for you to cite the current problem with the admin/mods... Being singled out by the Mods/Admins because of my public accountability thread, and the conspiracy between the moderators and the administrators to harass, and also to moderate every thread I post thenceforth.
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Mar 16, 2004, 5:59 PM
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Gather around your computer screens and watch the next installment of "I am a delusional, self important, self proclaimed internet martyr"
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salathiel
Mar 16, 2004, 6:05 PM
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Diesel Smoke, Perhaps your argument would have more valididity, people would not flame you so often, if you could cite specific examples of idiocy by specific administrators. The straw man is not an effective way of arguing in this case. Blur
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In reply to: Being singled out by the Mods/Admins because of my public accountability thread, and the conspiracy between the moderators and the administrators to harass, and also to moderate every thread I post thenceforth. as an admin, i feel left out - i havent heard anything about some cool conspiracy. let me repeat something i said a few weeks back, anytime that anyone has a problem with a moderator, please PM an admin. everyone who volunteers here is incredibly busy so we arent able diligently read through every thread posted on this site. you can get our names from the contributors section of the about page, and believe it or not, we actually have very lively discussions about these things. here's the link: http://www.rockclimbing.com/site/contributors.php pm any of us with what's going on. links to specific threads where unfair moderation has occurred is incredibly helpful.
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diesel___smoke
Mar 16, 2004, 6:10 PM
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Forget it, this site is hopeless. Nothing will change - the people 'running the show' here are too deeply 'intrenched' and fear they'll lose too much because of their own bizarre and twisted perspectives. Perhaps I should just accept this place for the deranged site it is, rather than try to change it.
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diesel___smoke
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Forget it, this site is hopeless. Nothing will change - the people 'running the show' here are too deeply 'intrenched' and fear they'll lose too much because of their own bizarre and twisted perspectives. Perhaps I should just accept this place for the tainted, deranged site it is, rather than try to change it.
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Can't change something unless you tell us what it is you want to change. I'll go back to cowering in a corner worrying that one day . . . maybe soon . . . all this . . . this . . . "power" will be taken away from me. THE POWER! THE POWER!!!! It will be a HUGE detriment to my life!
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diesel___smoke
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In reply to: believe it or not, we actually have very lively discussions about these things. Where?
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diesel, From the pictures you've posted, you are one experienced dude. I could learn a thing or two from you, but I haven't seen anything posted under your name lately that I need to learn. Post something about photography on or of El Cap, or life on a ledge, or safety, or... I'd like to read that more than problems with admin. Sincere best wishes.
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We can't change anything if you won't help us change it. We've offered you a possible solution, and you don't appear to be interested in taking advantage of it. Nebulous references to threads don't help us look into anything. Simply put, without your help, we can't help you. Please read Amber's post above -- we're happy to help you out if you will please give us links to some specific threads in a private message to any admin. She's given you a link to all of our user names, so you can pick the person you'd feel most comfortable talking to. Personally, I don't recall ever having had anything to do with you other than to see your name on a forum here and there (and to reply to this post). You're more than welcome to PM me with examples of the problems you perceive with your relationships with any mods. We admins will look into them, and see what resolution we can reach. If you don't PM one of the admins, I can only assume that you don't really want to resolve the problem and that you just want to complain. Regards, k. PS: We discuss these issues in the Admin forum.
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Go Climb. It is spring and wonderful. Climb. See the title of this website, rockclimbing.com, not worryabouttheadminsandwhatIcanandcannotsay.com. I, too, have taken some criticism for what I have posted and for some of my ideas. I have gotten pretty upset, at first, about how people responded and what they said. I had to get over it. Sometimes people just disagree. But, what ties us together is the love to climb. Unfortunately for you, you are not an admin. Get outdoors, climb more, and stop bi--hing about people not liking your ideas or admins that are in on a secret plot to get everyone to hate you and/or your ideas. Climbing is so much more relaxing and fun. And this kind of post is only helping the admins cause anyway. LOL P.S. -> The admins are running the website for a reason. They are the bosses because of experience and a common understanding. Don't push them, because they rule and you do not
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Come on diesel, This is an internet site that doesn't need to be taken too seriously. You can get pissed at admins or users but the reality for me is the years I've been climbing I have really only met a few climbers in person that I didn't care for, and the majority have been pretty cool people! 8) Get out and meet some! Hope you have a better day.
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dang...I love you people!
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True, most climbers I've met have been chill, this site paints a bad picture of everyone. Perhaps I should just accept this place for the twisted, deranged site it is, rather than try to change it.
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diesel___smoke
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In reply to: Don't push them, because they rule and you do not But isn't it fun to see how far you can push before they'll push back? Perhaps I should just accept this place for the twisted, deranged site it is, rather than try to change it.
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diesel, we discuss problems between users and staff in the admin forum to best protect the confidence of those involved. the conversations are blunt and to-the-point where different admins generally take responsibility for researching different aspects of the situation. in short, we do our best to get a full view of what's going on and discuss in the matter in very frank terms. after making my post, i received a pm from a mod who indicated that you two are trying to work out a resolution, and i personally have sent a pm to you to find out more specifics about your complaint. kate and phil are also excellent resolving disputes. if you have a specific beef with a mod, feel free to contact any of us, but complaining about general dissatisfaction doesnt get you very far because there's not much that can be done about it - not because we're apathetic, but because there's no specific problem to resolve. in short, the more clearly that you can articulate your grievance, the more likely it is that we will be able to help you resolve the issue.
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I don't care much for the hassel, but things need to change. If you want to know the problems with this site, it's simple - look back over my public accountability thread. Change is good and natural, but in the end, nothing will likely change - because the people 'running the show' here are too deeply 'intrenched' and fear they'll lose too much by changing anything because of their own bizarre and twisted perspectives.
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In reply to: I don't care much for the hassel, but things need to change. If you want to know the problems with this site, it's simple - look back over my public accountability thread. Change is good and natural. But in the end, nothing will likely change - the people 'running the show' here are too deeply 'intrenched' and fear they'll lose too much by changing anything because of their own bizarre and twisted perspectives. Holy cripes.....do you even read what you're writing?? You are spending waaaaay too much time here if you think anyone here gives a flip enough to weave and mastermind your conspiricies. It's a rock climbing website forum on the INTERNET, dood. Release the hate and get a grip already. Go climb before someone in the real world has you committed.
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Assess? Ok. Whiny Beeatch user diesel.smoke starts his second thread in 2 weeks complaining about the moderating on a free website. That's what I see. :P
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This thread has become counterproductive, as I predicted it would...
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In reply to: Change is good and natural, but in the end, nothing will likely change - because the people 'running the show' here are too deeply 'intrenched' and fear they'll lose too much by changing anything because of their own bizarre and twisted perspectives. wow dude, you need to lay off the weed. as part of the team 'running the show', i can assure you that the biggest conspiracy that i'm up to is trying to get internet access into red rock canyon for RRR. though, if you're going to slap us in the face with the olive branch that was extended to you, i'm certainly not going to pry further. when you're ready to talk specifics about what's bothering you, let us know. if you want to believe that we're all out to get you, then that's the "reality" that you've created for yourself.
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Forget it, this site is hopeless. Lock it, delete it, modify it, tarpit me, I really no longer care... use this website for what it's worth despite it's indiscretions, but don't bother changing it... for you won't be heard.
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To be a mod, you need to have committed at least one federal crime on the internet(e.g. rrradam), prompted more than one person to contemplate murder(e.g. jt512, or any other rec.climbing subhuman), unethically pumped the rating of your climbing photographs(e.g. broganadams and his progeny), or generally be a poster who distinguishes himself by having a high insult to knowledge ratio. Lack of logic, wasting other mod's time, coming up with useless ideas like the route database, and putting a large number of emoticons in your posts are all relevant in determining qualified candidates.
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In reply to: To be a mod, you need to have committed at least one federal crime on the internet(e.g. rrradam), prompted more than one person to contemplate murder(e.g. jt512, or any other rec.climbing subhuman), unethically pumped the rating of your climbing photographs(e.g. broganadams and his progeny), or generally be a poster who distinguishes himself by having a high insult to knowledge ratio. Lack of logic, wasting other mod's time, coming up with useless ideas like the route database, and putting a large number of emoticons in your posts are all relevant in determining qualified candidates. And just who might YOU be, with your recent born-on date and vast knowledge of RC.com history?? Sorry, but you don't get a deep-seated and maniacal hatred of this place with 22 posts. See above hate-spewer. You have to spend waaaaaay too much time here to get that whacked. So, c'mon. Who are ya, ya lil' bugger?? :P Jody, perhaps? :wink: :D :lol: 8) :roll: :wink: :?: :arrow: :idea: :!: :shock:
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In reply to: To be a mod, you need to have committed at least one federal crime on the internet(e.g. rrradam), prompted more than one person to contemplate murder(e.g. jt512, or any other rec.climbing subhuman), unethically pumped the rating of your climbing photographs(e.g. broganadams and his progeny), or generally be a poster who distinguishes himself by having a high insult to knowledge ratio. Lack of logic, wasting other mod's time, coming up with useless ideas like the route database, and putting a large number of emoticons in your posts are all relevant in determining qualified candidates. HAHA this is great, and exceedingly true. Out of public interest and protection, has a incident report been filed with the proper authorities in regard to the rrradam hacking incident? Or was that swept under the rug too?
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never had a problem :?:
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In reply to: This thread has become counterproductive, as I predicted it would... Heh heh, nice call, jacka$$. But tell me, based on your initial post, how this thread ever had a chance to be productive in the first place. You'll rail against the system and the powers that be, but yet, you will continue to post here and cruise the site. You aren't the first 'misunderstood iconoclast' here, and you won't be the last.
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In reply to: Forget it, this site is hopeless. Lock it, delete it, modify it, tarpit me, I really no longer care... use this website for what it's worth despite it's indiscretions, but don't bother changing it... for you won't be heard. clarification, when users articulate a finite problem with backup, we look into it. if they provide pragmatic solutions to clearly-defined problems, we try to make it happen. however, it must also be recognized that while we address these things as quickly as possible, we also must prioritize these tasks with our current workload. hell, when users just want to sit back and bitch about vague problems with the site, we provide an avenue for that as well. however, it's silly to assume that we can begin to address a problem that was never defined in the first place. you complain about a thread that you've previously posted. provide a link and we'll look at it. personally, i have no clue what thread you're talking about and dont particularly have the time to dig through each of your posts trying to figure out wtf you're talking about. however, i would like to point out that while you are complaining about how no one will listen, two admins and at least one mod have tried to get more information from you about your grievance, but you wont respond to pm's and will do nothing more than throw your hands into the air and say "forget it" - which accomplishes little more than making you look like the newest drama queen/conspiracy theorist of rc.com.
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This whole thread is like reading a Kafka novel.
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In reply to: two admins and at least one mod have tried to get more information from you about your grievance, but you wont respond to pm's... Oh yes, put pressure on me from someone I respect to get me to change the title. By the way, I thought PMs were private, why are they being discussed amongst moderators and admins again?
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In reply to: In reply to: To be a mod, you need to have committed at least one federal crime on the internet(e.g. rrradam), prompted more than one person to contemplate murder(e.g. jt512, or any other rec.climbing subhuman), unethically pumped the rating of your climbing photographs(e.g. broganadams and his progeny), or generally be a poster who distinguishes himself by having a high insult to knowledge ratio. Lack of logic, wasting other mod's time, coming up with useless ideas like the route database, and putting a large number of emoticons in your posts are all relevant in determining qualified candidates. And just who might YOU be, with your recent born-on date and vast knowledge of RC.com history?? Don't know, but it sounds like someone who couldn't hack it either here or at rec.climbing. And his qualifications for mod are incorrect, or at least incomplete. Failing the employment application at REI is also acceptable credential. -Jay
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In reply to: Oh yes, put pressure on me from someone I respect to get me to change the title. By the way, I thought PMs were private, why are they being discussed amongst moderators and admins again? if you would prefer, i can edit the title myself. technically, it's a breach of TOS, but we prefer to give users the benefit of the doubt. private messages are private. i see no breach of confidence in my saying that i pm'd you, and you never responded - especially since you're whining about how unresponsive the staff is. the reason that i know other people have pm'd is because they pm'd me to say that they've contacted you based on my responses to this thread. the reason that we communicate this way is to avoid overwhelming users with responses from staff - i have no idea what any of the private messages sent to you said, except the one that i sent. though, if you're so uptight about us communicating with each other to try and figure out wtf you're talking about, maybe we should be more suspicious of you and your agenda? now, here are my thoughts on the situation - this thread is looking more and more like a troll. if you're willing to make a productive discussion of it, wonderful - let's talk. otherwise,it will likely be moved to community with the rest of the trolls and flamewars.
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Why would I respond to people I don't trust, who will likely become harassive again?
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In reply to: And his qualifications for mod are incorrect, or at least incomplete. Failing the employment application at REI is also acceptable credential. -Jay :lol: :lol: Hmmm...I passed that. Must've slipped through the cracks... Does failing the REI credit card application count?? :P
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Do you really believe if RC.com was as perfect as you assert it to be, there would be threads like these? And everyone who posts one similar is blasted off as a 'drama queen', 'problem user' or 'conspiracy theorist'... In addition to the allegedly felonious behavior of some of the admins/mods here, why are these people still admins/mods? Double standard...
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In reply to: Why would I reply to anyone I don't trust, which will in all probability turn abusive, as it has before? please tell me the names of mods and admins who have been abusive here. kate and i have both tried comunicating with you publicly and privately - to no avail. we have even encouraged you to contact phil who is probably the most diplomatic person i've ever met. honestly though, it seems to me that you are more concerned with holding on to your paranoia than actually affecting change - if you actually wanted to promote improvement, you would be more inclined to clearly define the change that you feel should take place. would you prefer that we have trevor absolve himself of all financial and legal responsibility of rc.com and pass this obligation on to you? would you prefer that we chop bolts on animal world? would you prefer that we moderate more or less? should we lock all new shoe threads? what about sexual harassment complaints stemming from community - would you like to deal with those? if you would provide some sort of specifics here, i wouldnt be stabbing in the dark. then again, maybe i'm just falling for a troll?
In reply to: Furthermore, do you believe if RC.com was as perfect as you assert it to be there would be threads like these? i dont think anyone has asserted that rc.com is perfect; however, we cannot fix a problem when we dont know what it is.
In reply to: And everyone who posts one similar is blasted off as a 'drama queen', 'problem user' or 'conspiracy theorist'... not true. i have been in more than one heated debate over user complaints and have invested a lot of time in championing causes for users. the difference there is, they were willing to tell me what their complaints were and provide specific threads. again - send me the link of the thread you're upset about. after digging through the first six pages of your posts, i had to stop and do some work for my paying job. though, if you're willing to write a check for the time i've spent on this at my bill rate, i'll be happy to dedicate my time to this until it's resolved to your satisifaction.
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In reply to: In reply to: And his qualifications for mod are incorrect, or at least incomplete. Failing the employment application at REI is also acceptable credential. -Jay :lol: :lol: Hmmm...I passed that. Must've slipped through the cracks... Does failing the REI credit card application count?? :P Maybe that's how I got chosen! If I get my truck reposessed you think I can make Administrator? -Jay
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Please address the double standard and felonious behavior... and maybe reread my post too... you're addressing issues that aren't even in my post...
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In reply to: Please address the double standard and felonious behavior please provide specific examples of these. for the millionth time, i have no idea what you're talking about - my presence on this thread is an attempt to understand what in the hell your problem is in the first place.
In reply to: and maybe reread my post too which one. so far none of them make any real sense.
In reply to: you're addressing issues that aren't even in my post... that's because i'm stabbing in the dark. when you start providing specific examples of these so-called issues, then i'll start responding to more of your posts. until then, please dont assume that no one cares - i'm just tired of failing miserably at trying to read your mind.
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Also, since there is supposedly huge commotion over the title, please make any requests here for title changes and with recommendations as to what the title should be changed to here. Submissions will need to have the same ring and attention-getting title as the original...
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i thought you just misspelled 'access'. imagine my surprise... sojourner
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*blink* *blink* This can't possibly be over something that happened 18 months ago. I don't care, I suppose. I'm not a mod or admin, but I've gotta say, I don't understand what the reluctance is to just post up with very specific info about what you're so upset about. If you won't and are just convinced it'll never be fixed, why not just walk away? Rob
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will someone please post some naked butt pics already?
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so, you're upset about something that happened almost a year before you ever even joined the site?? good grief. i feel sad for you, dude.
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In reply to: why not just walk away? I suppose I feel compelled for discrepancies... Amber, it's the double standard, that is just an example which I am comparing to a relatively recent event.
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In reply to: Also, since there is supposedly huge commotion over the title, please make any requests here for title changes and with recommendations as to what the title should be changed to here. Submissions will need to have the same ring and attention-getting title as the original... You are seriously missing the point. Amber has asked you nicely to change the title and has humored you in your thread here. She's even gone above and beyond to appease you. But she doesn't need your permission or approval of a new title for it to be changed OR for this thread to hit archives. We are all volunteers on a free site. Sorry you don't like the moderating practices here, but you are not the first, nor will you be the last. But one thing that is clear, is that this site has rules of conduct so to speak and there are going to be people that inforce them. You can either play by the rules like everybody else or get called out for it, just like everybody else. Plain and simple. Can't please everybody all the time and some of you none of the time. Take the suggestions you have been given by the two admins that have bent over backwards for you and try to resolve the problem PRIVATELY or quit wasting bandwidth publicly. As a moderator myself, I don't even know who you are. So your conspiracy theory that we are all "watching" you is a little out there don't cha think?
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will somebody just ban this whiny little fruitcake please?
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In reply to: Amber, it's the double standard, that is just an example which I am comparing to a relatively recent event. diesel, i am very honestly trying to help you out - but this little game is getting old. what is the 'relatively recent event' to which you allude, and how does it relate to the incident with adam - something for which he has been more than raked over the coals? honestly, it sounds to me like you got high with someone who's playing you for a fool and has set you up with some bad party lines. i've learned the hard way that placing confidence in the wrong people is all too easy sometimes and causes infinitely more heartache than it's worth. should you choose to pm, i will not divulge the contents of our conversation with anyone; however, i will likely have to paraphrase parts of the conversation to convey your concerns to the rest of the adminstrative staff. having said that, i've blown most of my day on this because i have an eternally bleeding heart and really wanted to find out what's wrong - but feel like i'm basically being jerked around for actually trying to give a damn about why you're upset. no more games. cite threads and make a case, or have fun dealing with general community bs for whining without reason.
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In reply to: will somebody just ban this whiny little fruitcake please? No kidding. Clearly a troll. He keeps talking about 'his point' but I have yet to see one anywhere here. Just wasting the time of the mods.
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I have stated my point, why are some people banned for certain allegations, yet some who have abused their power far worse are promoted/left alone?
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ps - i think climbs4fun, atg, and caughtinside have done an excellent job of demonstrating how much time i've lost today because of my bleeding heart. though, i daresay that i will laugh if i hear another 'no one listens' post. i'm done here and am changing the title. d_s, if you would like to discuss this further, please feel free to pm.
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Amber honey, just cut the cord and walk away girl. Can't help those that won't help them selves. Aint worth your time.
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(kelly drags amber out of the forum, amber bleating "but i want to saaaave the woooooorld!")
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Ok, First I will say I don't like Pete. Me and him are hugely different, he rubbed me the wrong way many times while I was around him, but I passionately disagree he should have ever been banned. Sending people out the backdoor and pushing them under the rug is furthering the problem, not fixing it. I dislike Pete, but I accept that these people are in our society and I will objectively fight for them regardless of personal emotion. So, how can the PTPP case and the rrradam case be compared? You won't state the evidence in the PTPP case, just sweep it under the rug. Society has become twisted, dark and dispicable, and it's being furthered here. Don't let it happen. It's wrong; look further than your emotions. So please cite said evidence in each case and let the community judge for themselves. It's clear, as Dingus put it, where do we get off? (And out of respect to certain people, I changed the title)
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In reply to: ...but I passionately disagree he should have ever been banned. Sending people out the backdoor and pushing them under the rug is furthering the problem, not fixing it. So, how can the PTPP case and the rrradam case be compared? You won't state the evidence in the PTPP case, just sweep it under the rug. So please cite said evidence in each case and let the community judge for themselves. You will NEVER know the details. It is not now, nor will it ever be any of your business what happened with Pete or Adam for that matter. Those matters are handled privately for a reason. It doesn't concern you, move on!
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Zing! In a last gasp effort to keep the troll alive, DS plays the Pete card! We're good for at least 5 more pages! Hurrah!
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In reply to: Zing! In a last gasp effort to keep the troll alive, DS plays the Pete card! We're good for at least 5 more pages! Hurrah! It's just getting good isn't it? Hahaha
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Pathetic. If you need drama, go watch a soap opera, or read a book. If you need to help the downtrodden, go volunteer at a homeless shelter.
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In reply to: You will NEVER know the details. It is not now, nor will it ever be any of your business what happened with Pete or Adam for that matter. Those matters are handled privately for a reason. It doesn't concern you, move on! That lies problem, there is too much hidden. This is why there are F.O.I. Acts, because it was decided long ago hiding facts isn't the best way.
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In reply to: however, i would like to point out that you've presented a double standard of your own - the same person who mistrusts the system about private messaging is asking that system to publicly reveal the names/identities and details of incredibly personal situations. Don't cite names then, cite something like: "A" alleged sent "B" a pornographic picture via email. "B" no longer has said email, however "C" corroborate "B's" allegation and asserts that they ("C") saw alleged email. Other than "B" and "C" assertions, no one else has seen said email. "B" and "C" have never met "A" in person, "B" and "C" have had several confrontations online with "A" that all equally incited. Something to that effect I think would be reasonable...
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In reply to: This is why there are F.O.I. Acts, because it was decided long ago hiding facts isn't the best way. a) straight from the Federal Department of Justice (http://www.usdoj.gov/04foia/index.html) The FOIA applies only to federal agencies. b) from the TOS, RockClimbing.com is a privately-owned, publicly-available resource and, while we encourage a free flow of information and ideas, we also ask that you follow a few basic rules. By using or participating on the forums, you agree to the terms stated below. If you cannot or will not agree to them, please refrain from using the forums, routes database, and private messaging features of the site. As far as the owners are concerned, a user's willful abrogation of this agreement releases us from any obligations towards that user.
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In reply to: however, i would like to point out that you've presented a double standard of your own - the same person who mistrusts the system about private messaging is asking that system to publicly reveal the names/identities and details of incredibly personal situations. Don't cite names then, cite something like: "A" alleged sent "B" a pornographic picture via email. "B" no longer has said email, however "C" corroborate "B's" allegation and asserts that they ("C") saw alleged email. Other than "B" and "C" assertions, no one else has seen said email. "B" and "C" have never met "A" in person, "B" and "C" have had several confrontations online with "A" that all equally incited. Something to that effect I think would be reasonable...
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I realize this is a private website, but it is still established in other mediums that allowing the facts out will create a more absolute truth than withholding them.
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In reply to: To be a mod, you need to have committed at least one federal crime on the internet(e.g. rrradam), prompted more than one person to contemplate murder(e.g. jt512, or any other rec.climbing subhuman), unethically pumped the rating of your climbing photographs(e.g. broganadams and his progeny), or generally be a poster who distinguishes himself by having a high insult to knowledge ratio. Lack of logic, wasting other mod's time, coming up with useless ideas like the route database, and putting a large number of emoticons in your posts are all relevant in determining qualified candidates. I bet you yourself qualify on several assholish criteria such as these. Why not mod a couple of forums yourself? Curt
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you are obviously aware of the nature of the problems with pete, so let me say it again, in clearer terms this time - i absolutely refuse to publicly humiliate people who confided in me by posting something as personal as the details of their sexual harassment.
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Ok then, it's settled. RC.com's official position is they would rather allow users to make a descision based upon incomplete facts than the truth in it's entirety.
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But, but, the people have a RIGHT to KNOW! You can take my user ID, but you'll never take my FREEEEEEEDOOOOOOOOM! Bring back Pete! Free Lox! NICEPORCH for PREZIDENT!
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Man, you don't like the place, leave. It's the normal natural reaction of any being with conscious thought.
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Enough, I've had enough fun watching the people that fear that they have much to lose, find all sorts of creative ways to argue and wiggle and squirm...
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In reply to: Ok then, it's settled. RC.com's official position is they would rather allow users to make a descision based upon incomplete facts than the truth in it's entirety. Yes.
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Thank you Mreardon for being the only civil mod/admin to chime into this thread.
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In reply to: Ok then, it's settled. RC.com's official position is they would rather allow users to make a descision based upon incomplete facts than the truth in it's entirety. just how stupid are you? you are the like the energizer bunny of stupidity - you keep going and going and going... rc.com's official position is that the users don't have anything thing to say about the pete banishment - the user community's input was neither required nor necessary in light of what was happening. get over it. i think we should create the tinfoil hat award for the most bizarre conspiracy theory argument and hand it over to diesel__smoke right away. the dude is like enigma with a spell checker.
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In reply to: In reply to: I've had enough fun watching the people that fear that have much to lose, find all sorts of creative ways to argue and wiggle and squirm... interesting, so a) this was a troll, and b) refusing to breach confidence on something as sensitive as sexual harassment by publicly humiliating people who've placed trust in me means that i'm a vile snake in the grass, so there you have, folks - i'm a vile snake in the grass for actually having some semblence of integrity. yaaay me! All of the above an option? It's been fun people. But there is truth in the above.
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Gosh Di-zell. You sure are high maintenence. Worse than my last 3 girlfriends put together. Sheesh.
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In reply to: In reply to: Ok then, it's settled. RC.com's official position is they would rather allow users to make a descision based upon incomplete facts than the truth in it's entirety. just how stupid are you? you are the like the energizer bunny of stupidity - you keep going and going and going... rc.com's official position is that the users don't have anything thing to say about the pete banishment - the user community's input was neither required nor necessary in light of what was happening. get over it. i think we should create the tinfoil hat award for the most bizarre conspiracy theory argument and hand it over to diesel__smoke right away. the dude is like enigma with a spell checker. Tight, all my hard work has landed me some free gear. I'll wear it my next trip up the Capitan. I'll have to give you my address so you can send it to me.
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In reply to: just how stupid are you? you are the like the energizer bunny of stupidity - you keep going and going and going... rc.com's official position is that the users don't have anything thing to say about the pete banishment - the user community's input was neither required nor necessary in light of what was happening. get over it. i think we should create the tinfoil hat award for the most bizarre conspiracy theory argument and hand it over to diesel__smoke right away. the dude is like enigma with a spell checker. OMFG .. i just laughed so hard and so long that someone in a neighboring cube walked over to see what in the hell i was up to - writing business requirements isnt nearly funny enough to warrant a laughter-to-tears-and-damn-near-choke-on-a-toothpick response.
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6 pages and still rolling! Go Diesel Go! 5 or 6 mods/former mods hooked and reeled in! Pete PMed me some dirty pictures, but I forgive him for it. Now give me the rest of the facts! :lol:
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In reply to: Gosh Di-zell. You sure are high maintenence. Worse than my last 3 girlfriends put together. Sheesh. trav, i asked you not to talk about me like that. :roll:
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In reply to: 6 pages and still rolling! Go Diesel Go! 5 or 6 mods/former mods hooked and reeled in! Pete PMed me some dirty pictures, but I forgive him for it. Now give me the rest of the facts! :lol: HA, it's up to 7 now... what is the record we are shooting for? Facts hmm, they're sketchy at best. Pete offered to tell me the facts but I politely declined because I don't really care about them... so honestly, I only know part of the story...
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philbox moved this thread from Suggestions & Questions to Community. Yep, definitely a troll and thus it is off to community where all the real trolls hang out.
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Do I really make it to 'real' troll level?
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In reply to: Do I really make it to 'real' troll level? Nope. Failure to entertain. Sorry. :P Rob
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I suppose real trolls don't admit when they troll either... it's hard work to troll. Maybe one day I'll refine my style enough to be called mediocre.
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I thought that comment would get more responses than it did, first it was contradictory to my purpose, and rude to all the others trying to alleviate the situation... I guess people just didn't catch it.
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Sure ~ I'll be a mod, and I'll unlock every thread I come across that's locked and move all 'suppressed' threads back into their field of view. I'll also post all 'behind the scenes' conversation. So, who wants me to be a mod?
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It's simple, moderation is the problem. I'll moderate to not moderate at all.
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I have had no contact with Pete in several months. I don't talk to him, as I said before, I don't like him much. But it took me a while to realize these people are in our society, and we mustn't sweep them under the rug or out the back door just because we dislike them... Regarding moderation, the purpose would be to disallow people from being cut off. This has annoyed me very much, locking and suppressing threads is BS.
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justsendingits
Mar 17, 2004, 3:11 AM
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I concur
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curt
Mar 17, 2004, 3:14 AM
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In reply to: In reply to: Sure ~ I'll be a mod, and I'll unlock every thread I come across that's locked and move all 'suppressed' threads back into their field of view. I'll also post all 'behind the scenes' conversation. So, who wants me to be a mod? Not me. Hep me, Jeebus, you can't even present a cogent argument. Not interested in having someone so clueless have so much errant power. SKibs Agreed. One of you is enough. Curt
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robmcc
Mar 17, 2004, 3:14 AM
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In reply to: Regarding moderation, the purpose would be to disallow people from being cut off. This has annoyed me very much, locking and suppressing threads is BS. Without unfair moderation, or at least moderation perceived as unfair, there'd be no opportunity to play Net martyr. There have been a few posters now and again who I think would feel like they had no purpose in life if they were denied the opportunity to rail against the nasty, bad, evil moderators. Would you really deny these people their one true calling? You, sir, are truly heartless. Next you'll want to deny n00bs their proper "Welcome to rc.com" STFUing. Rob
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diesel___smoke
Mar 17, 2004, 3:22 AM
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You've done Mescalito right? If so, do you recall P9? Did you do it before or after the bolts were chopped?
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dirtineye
Mar 17, 2004, 3:35 AM
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Well, that some mods have overstepped their bounds is undisputable. But, other mods and admins seem to do their best to put an end to this sort of thing, IF they are informed.
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diesel___smoke
Mar 17, 2004, 4:27 AM
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Society is dark, twisted and despicable.
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atg200
Mar 17, 2004, 4:30 AM
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better off yourself now and get it over with then.
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diesel___smoke
Mar 17, 2004, 4:31 AM
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Or escape the sober world... I can't believe this tread is still going...
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