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moabdirtgirl
Sep 29, 2004, 9:46 PM
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Monday afternoon CHill (theturtle) and I setup a highline at Gemini Bridges as a suprise birthday gift for Larry's (areyoumydude) 35 birthday. This afternoon when Chris went to the site everything was gone. Someone, maybe BLM, maybe drunken rednecks had stole the entire Highline, but left the bolts a hangers. What a great way to spoil the perfect birthday gift. I'm so mad, I could scream... :evil:
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colkurtz
Sep 29, 2004, 10:11 PM
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happy birthday larry
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bsignorelli
Sep 29, 2004, 10:16 PM
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So you knowingly abandoned gear on public property and then act suprised when it got flicked?
Sorry the dudes bday gift was flicked though. Sounded like a fun deal.
Bryan
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brianinslc
Sep 29, 2004, 10:19 PM
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In reply to: Monday afternoon CHill (theturtle) and I setup a highline at Gemini Bridges as a suprise birthday gift for Larry's (areyoumydude) 35 birthday. This afternoon when Chris went to the site everything was gone. Someone, maybe BLM, maybe drunken rednecks had stole the entire Highline, but left the bolts a hangers. What a great way to spoil the perfect birthday gift. I'm so mad, I could scream... :evil:
Hmm....I wonder, from a public safety standpoint (as well as leaving abandoned property on public land), how smart it is to leave a rigged slackline for anyone to blunder into....
IMHO, I think leavin' these things rigged is a sure fire way to get them banned on public land (ie, check out the regs on fixed anchors next door in Canyonlands).
Maybe low profile is the way to go. Gemini is a tourist hot spot.
Wasn't stolen since it was abandoned. I hope you get your stuff back, though.
Good luck,
Brian in SLC
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moonshine505
Sep 29, 2004, 10:39 PM
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what's more suprising here, that it was gone or that you didn't expect it to be gone? Seriously, people will take anything they can get their hands on. Now, suppose it wasn't just some "drunk rednecks" but BLM folks who took it down, the safety/eyesore reasoning for this would seem pretty valid given the location.
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moonshine505
Sep 29, 2004, 10:40 PM
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Another way to look at it...would you leave a toprope up on a climb at a popular climbing area that is visited by both climbers and non-climbers and then be suprised to come back and not see it where you left it?
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bandycoot
Sep 29, 2004, 11:39 PM
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My friend had a cam stolen from an anchor he was TRing off of. After that nothing surprises me. Sucks the B-Day present was lacking, but don't litter!
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the_alpine
Sep 30, 2004, 12:20 AM
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Me and my pals are in the circus. We throw knives at each other. You know, the kind of knife throwing where the victim is strapped to a rotating target. We like to practice throwing knives in the park. Last weekend we left our setup for only a couple days, and someone stole it! Can you believe that!?
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johnson6102002
Sep 30, 2004, 12:51 AM
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In reply to: My friend had a cam stolen from an anchor he was TRing off of. After that nothing surprises me. Sucks the B-Day present was lacking, but don't litter!
r u serious not only is that insane but really funny at teh same time wow i would be so pissed
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corbin
Sep 30, 2004, 1:17 AM
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BUMMER. that really stinks...Earlier this summer when we were going to do the Salathe we left a bunch of gear at the base of the fixed lines going to heart. Came back early that morning was all gone, 3 jumars, two rescue pulleys (vital to my slackline rig), two harnesses, dasies, aiders, numeerious lockers, tons of shinit. Luckly it was none of our rack. We managed to scrounge around for enough gear to get on the wall the next day. Its kinda funny, the d-bag that stole it dropped our nut tool on the way down we got that back at least. Im never leaving any of my stuff anywhere ever again.
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picaco
Sep 30, 2004, 1:49 AM
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I left a couple hundred dollars out on a picnic table one night, and then when I came back in the morning it was gone. I don't get it, why would someone take my stuff?
People are jackasses.
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the_alpine
Sep 30, 2004, 5:06 AM
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In reply to: I left a couple hundred dollars out on a picnic table one night, and then when I came back in the morning it was gone. I don't get it, why would someone take my stuff? People are jackasses.
Good point, but which people you talkin about!?
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picaco
Sep 30, 2004, 11:55 PM
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In reply to: Good point, but which people you talkin about!?
Anyone who would knowingly steal a high line, regardless if it's on public land or not. I don't think I'd call some one a jackass for leaving a line up, but it probably wasn't the best decision.
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areyoumydude
Oct 1, 2004, 11:59 PM
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Thanks to all my friends for a great birthday. theturtle talked to the BLM ranger. He said that we have every right to set up highlines and that he knew nothing about it. Highlines are generally left up for multiple days. To bad we didn't catch 'em in the act. :evil:
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metoliusshawn
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you know why i dont wright more on this web site because MOST of you are ass holes.take your knifes and your money on the table and shuv it up your ass.you people fucken suck.happy bithday larry,wish i could of been there with you.maybe its better that i was not there.you know how i am and i would probobly be in jail for the rest of my life for killing some one.who ever stole larys gear i advise you to never use it.the gear you stole was mine.i gave it to larry.larry is to nice he wont even do enything if he new who it was.
ps slackling helps me from killing some one.............well not any more to all you smart asses GAME ON
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ryanpfleger
Oct 3, 2004, 2:31 PM
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Easy there buddy... I agree with you though, I have wanted to bash a few heads in my day as well. Honestly to me it doesn't matter whether it was prudent or not to leave your stuff out there, it still makes me sick to think it was stolen. It can be pretty hard to keep a positive attitude about humanity in general when so many of the negative examples are so glaring. Still... there's a lot of good in the world. Very sorry your gear was stolen. I also had a bunch of climbing gear (about a grand worth) stolen in the past, not good.
Ryan
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theturtle
Oct 4, 2004, 6:52 PM
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Happy Birthday anyway Lar, we still had a good party that night too, thanks to Wane at Moab Outback. :D Thanks for all your help too, Season... It would have been the best birthday present ever!
When I do figure out who stole Larry's birthday present ... it's on! :evil:
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rockprodigy
Oct 4, 2004, 6:57 PM
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I don't like seeing fixed slacklines.
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theturtle
Oct 4, 2004, 7:22 PM
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In reply to: I don't like seeing fixed slacklines.
Who asked you?
Fixing lines is a common climbing practice, especially for expert climbers. Maybe someday you'll be qualified to understand.
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mintcondish
Oct 4, 2004, 7:31 PM
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you shoulda cut little slits in the line and let karma do the job.
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crimpandgo
Oct 4, 2004, 7:38 PM
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Quote:
Who asked you?
Fixing lines is a common climbing practice, especially for expert climbers. Maybe someday you'll be qualified to understand.
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Not to be arguementative, but by posting here YOU asked. People have the rights to disagree with you. By posting here, you are accepting alternate opinions (at least I hope you do anyway). If you don't, that is your perogative as well I guess. :)
Now, for my opinion. I too, hope you get your stuff back. You hear about this stuff all the time. People just have no principles nor morals anymore. I just don't understand how anyone can walk up and take stuff that belongs to other people. Problem is you look at the overcrowded prison populations and its proof that many people just do not follow this policy.
Peace
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theturtle
Oct 4, 2004, 10:27 PM
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In reply to: Response: Not to be arguementative, but by posting here YOU asked. People have the rights to disagree with you. By posting here, you are accepting alternate opinions (at least I hope you do anyway). If you don't, that is your perogative as well I guess. :) Now, for my opinion. I too, hope you get your stuff back. You hear about this stuff all the time. People just have no principles nor morals anymore. I just don't understand how anyone can walk up and take stuff that belongs to other people. Problem is you look at the overcrowded prison populations and its proof that many people just do not follow this policy. Peace
Actually dude, I don't find your post argumentative. It is actually very positive and fair, and at least your opinion has something to do with the subject of the thread.
This thread is about Larry's stolen birthday highline, If some dork wants to express his opinion about fixed highlines, he can start his own thread.
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armsrforclimbing
Oct 4, 2004, 11:12 PM
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I had some rope and quickdraws stolen out of my trunk by some likely crack heads in Toronto. What could they possibly use them for? I can relate, hope you get your highline back.
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picaco
Oct 5, 2004, 1:41 AM
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In reply to: I had some rope and quickdraws stolen out of my trunk by some likely crack heads in Toronto. What could they possibly use them for? I can relate, hope you get your highline back.
To me this is totally different than having a highline stolen that was set up on public lands. Both are bum deals, but somehow, having something stolen out of my trunk would make me more upset.
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ryanpfleger
Oct 5, 2004, 2:45 PM
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In reply to: People just have no principles nor morals anymore. I just don't understand how anyone can walk up and take stuff that belongs to other people. Problem is you look at the overcrowded prison populations and its proof that many people just do not follow this policy.
Nah, I look at the overcrowded prison populations, and its proof that our government is seriously fucked up. Out of the over 2 million people currently locked up right now, just under a quarter of them are in jail or prison for drugs only offenses. That means they didn't steal anything, they didn't hurt anybody, etc etc. All ten of the commandments remain intact. They just decided they wanted to use drugs personally, or distribute drugs to others who wanted to use them. Now I am not going to say that all drugs use is okay. But there is a lot of evidence that suggests that drugs like marijuana certainly have less of a deleterious effect on a society (whether it is our own or others where the drugs are legalized) than the normalized US drugs like alchocol, tobacco, caffiene, etc. Not to mention the stuff the legal cartels (Pfizer, Novartis, Merck) of the world peddle. Anyway, point is we lock up more people than any other nation in the world, and thats not necessarily a good thing.
Ryan
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crimpandgo
Oct 5, 2004, 3:09 PM
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In reply to: In reply to: People just have no principles nor morals anymore. I just don't understand how anyone can walk up and take stuff that belongs to other people. Problem is you look at the overcrowded prison populations and its proof that many people just do not follow this policy. Nah, I look at the overcrowded prison populations, and its proof that our government is seriously f--- up. Out of the over 2 million people currently locked up right now, just under a quarter of them are in jail or prison for drugs only offenses. That means they didn't steal anything, they didn't hurt anybody, etc etc. All ten of the commandments remain intact. They just decided they wanted to use drugs personally, or distribute drugs to others who wanted to use them. Now I am not going to say that all drugs use is okay. But there is a lot of evidence that suggests that drugs like marijuana certainly have less of a deleterious effect on a society (whether it is our own or others where the drugs are legalized) than the normalized US drugs like alchocol, tobacco, caffiene, etc. Not to mention the stuff the legal cartels (Pfizer, Novartis, Merck) of the world peddle. Anyway, point is we lock up more people than any other nation in the world, and thats not necessarily a good thing. Ryan
You say just under a quarter of the people are in for drugs, and that these folks are not in for theft related issues? I beg to differ. Most statistics will show that drug and theft activity go hand in hand and are directly related. Call it what you want. There are too many folks out there that don't abide the law nor the common moral principles that govern a civilized society. Many have not found their way to jail yet. Many should have but there is no room for them. Many (actors, sports folks should but will never find their way to jail because we value our entertainment too highly). What you have written above placed the blame on the system. Its not the systems fault, its the people doing the drugs and stealing, etc.'s fault.
After having two cars stolen, I feel I can relate to this thread and others like it. Its very hurtful to have something you have taken much time and pride to produce/purchase taken away just because someone happened upon it and decided they wanted to take it. Blame it on the system if you want, but I don't buy your arguement. people in our society have to be taught right from wrong. They also have to be taught to take responsibility for their actions. This second lesson is the one I think our society is weak on.
Anyway, sorry for jumping off in the weeds here. I will let this thread go back to the original topic :)
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In reply to: You say just under a quarter of the people are in for drugs, and that these folks are not in for theft related issues? I beg to differ.
No need to beg. You are more than welcome to differ all you want. You would still be wrong :-)
"By the year 2000... 458,13117 drug offenders incarcerated in America's prisons and jails—approximately the size of the entire US prison and jail population of 1980. This means that nearly one in four (23.7%) prisoners in America is incarcerated for a non-violent drug offense."
Thats from The Center on Juvenile and Criminal Justice.
http://www.cjcj.org/pubs/poor/pp.html
Part of the problem is that legislation to provide mandatory minimum sentencing for things like auto theft as you described happened to you has not gone through in most states that I know of. Legislators are not willing to hand out a mandatory 4 year imprisonment if someone steals a car, but they are more than willing to provide a 5 year mandatory minimum for possesion of 5 grams of crack. And these laws are not at all equitable, they target the poor and minorities much more severly. For example, to recieve the same mandatory minimum sentence as 5 grams of crack, you would have to have over 500 grams of pure cocaine. So if George Bush were to have been arrested (that would have been some brave cop) with his silver spoon up his nose there is no way he would have gone to the Big House for 5 years, cause he's got the money for upper class drugs.
Sorry you had your cars stolen. Maybe you should educate yourself about the way our Justice system functions and try to do something about it. There are good models out there. Other societies have vastly lower crime rates and still manage vastly lower prison populations (okay... EVERYBODY has a lower prison population, whether in sheer numbers or per capita).
Cheers,
Ryan
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Maybe you should educate yourself about the way our Justice system functions and try to do something about it. There are good models out there. Other societies have vastly lower crime rates and still manage vastly lower prison populations (okay... EVERYBODY has a lower prison population, whether in sheer numbers or per capita).
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The point in my posts is that I SHOULDN'T have to educate myself. Theft shouldn't happen in the first place. If the proper detterents were in place and people were taught proper principles, the problem would not be as large as it is. I am sure I am being ideal. I am afforded the right, I have been dealt the practical side two times. I am educated on how the system works. I dont believe the system is working correctly and I dont believe that me protecting myself against it is correct answer in the long run. I believe correcting the problem in the system is the proper answer.
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ryanpfleger
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I think we probably agree on 95% of the issue. I just don't think that overcrowded prisons is proof of anything, other than that we have a lot of prisoners. I don't think you should have to guard yourself against theft either, and I think that the people who stole your cars should be locked up. Sorry to hijack the topic.
Happy climbing!
Ryan
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