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suilenroc
Nov 24, 2008, 5:05 PM
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It disappoints me to bring forth such blatant evidence that there are moron rappeller's in my area. Sure, they are everywhere - well these dudes caught it on tape, even had the nerve to post it on youtube. I present this video not to suggest a good roast(please, burn away), but to show beginner's that just because your friend owns some gear, DOES NOT mean he/she knows what he/she is doing!
This all went down at the Hocking Hills State Forest Climbing and Rappelling Area in Hocking county Ohio. One of the few actual designated climbing area's in all of Ohio. There are no bolts in this area, all rigs are Top Rope, utilizing trees(which there are many to choose from and are not all over the edge of a lip). I have a good friend that works for the parks system in that area, throughout peak tourist season it is not uncommon for people to fall in this area. It isn't always due to climbing and rappelling but I am certain that shit like this cannot be good for our future access.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JikIrPklDyA
ADD: This one is sideways, but another example of these people's lack of experience...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruRsBMxXsqk
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sgreer
Nov 24, 2008, 5:16 PM
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They won't last too long.
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dingus
Nov 24, 2008, 5:30 PM
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Hmmm, that dude what backed off like that?
He may be an idiot but he's also made of stern stuff. Takes guts to do something like that.
With a little instruction that dude would be climbing all over the likes of us.
In our haste to belittle the dangerous actions of the 'typical male teenager' let us not forget this one simple fact - the sport of climbing as we know it woulde NOT EXIST without dumbass dudes like this.
I guess I can't jump on the superiority bandwagon here, sorry.
DMT
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full1346
Nov 24, 2008, 5:33 PM
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i agree with what you said, but you cant deny that they dont seem to be exhibiting much logic and common sense. a stupid stunt like that is permissible but left unchecked these guys arent going to be with us on this earth for long
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dingus
Nov 24, 2008, 5:45 PM
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full1346 wrote: i agree with what you said, but you cant deny that they dont seem to be exhibiting much logic and common sense. a stupid stunt like that is permissible but left unchecked these guys arent going to be with us on this earth for long
Oh yah mon, those two are in a 'dead heat' between common sense and the grim reaper.
Same as it is for most normal male teenagers, lol.
If the climbing don't getchya, the driving surely will!
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suilenroc
Nov 24, 2008, 5:52 PM
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In reply to: clearly climbers, as well.
...and what exactly are you trying to get at with that statement?
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Gmburns2000
Nov 24, 2008, 5:54 PM
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All that and no backup! 
That takes some serious cajones, not to mention how hard the fall looked.
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Bats
Nov 24, 2008, 5:57 PM
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The second guy was trying for the comando style. First guy was scared, but I would be too, first time and all. I did not like the anchor system...I am going to watch it again.
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Bats
Nov 24, 2008, 6:04 PM
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Its not the best...
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jeepnphreak
Nov 24, 2008, 6:17 PM
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Bats wrote: Its not the best...
Bats wrote: Its not the best...
Not by a long shot. Looks like a few rapps like that would rost through the webbing. Its hard to tell what they are using to secure the webbing in the middle + run the rope through, it looks like a single biner. I would have tried to set the webbing up so it equalized better, and added a few back ups. by the time the guy ended the drop, the forces on the rigging seem to be well over 90*.
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Carnage
Nov 24, 2008, 6:30 PM
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rappellilng is such a hardcore sport. i wish i could have the physical strength and mental determination required to be a pro like that guy.
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Goo
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its hard to see what sort of system they're using. but the biggest issue is that they are needlessly shockloading the anchors, right? the would probably be fine if they just eased onto the system, or anchored off a tree further back so they could just rapp of the edge of the cliff instead of falling.
and like dingus said, it would take balls to take a fall like that onto the rope your first time ever.
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suilenroc
Nov 24, 2008, 6:55 PM
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My concerns...
1. His first time rappelling, no fireman's belay, the camera man laughs in anticipation of his fall.
2. Their Rap 2 Pull 1 is poorly setup.
3. Looks like there are some bad angles involved.
4. He basically fell 6 ft. on maybe 3 ft. of slack, all of which is probably static (webbing obviously, maybe the rope too).
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justroberto
Nov 24, 2008, 7:06 PM
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suilenroc wrote: In reply to: suilenroc wrote: ...there are moron rappeller's in my area... clearly climbers, as well. ...and what exactly are you trying to get at with that statement?
Meh, just being a dick.
But seriously, English is your first language, right?
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Nov 24, 2008, 7:08 PM
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suilenroc wrote: 1. His first time rappelling, no fireman's belay, the camera man laughs in anticipation of his fall.
Hehe yes it reminded me of the time I 'taught' Ronnie to rappel and the home made harness I have him fell apart mid-rap!
That laughter? Just so you know... its not mean spirited.
Its a 'nervous laughter,' a sympathetic response. See the laugher had been in and knows well the feelings the laughee is experiencing. He knows is dangerous and scary as hell.
The laughter is a nervous release, so don't hold it against him. I bet you may have experienced something similar yourself - that nervous 'climber's laugh.'
(we laugh at death, we do!)
DMT
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suilenroc
Nov 24, 2008, 7:17 PM
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justroberto wrote: suilenroc wrote: In reply to: suilenroc wrote: ...there are moron rappeller's in my area... clearly climbers, as well. ...and what exactly are you trying to get at with that statement? Meh, just being a dick. But seriously, English is your first language, right?
Dick!
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suilenroc
Nov 24, 2008, 7:25 PM
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dingus wrote: suilenroc wrote: 1. His first time rappelling, no fireman's belay, the camera man laughs in anticipation of his fall. Hehe yes it reminded me of the time I 'taught' Ronnie to rappel and the home made harness I have him fell apart mid-rap! That laughter? Just so you know... its not mean spirited. Its a 'nervous laughter,' a sympathetic response. See the laugher had been in and knows well the feelings the laughee is experiencing. He knows is dangerous and scary as hell. The laughter is a nervous release, so don't hold it against him. I bet you may have experienced something similar yourself - that nervous 'climber's laugh.' (we laugh at death, we do!) DMT
I know exactly what you are talking about and have definitely experienced it... I hold it against him because he put his friend in that position. To put a n00b in such a situation is extremely stupid, that kid had no idea what he was getting himself into. Ahh, just irritates the hell out of me that people do this shit to people that have no experience. Its one thing to laugh death in the face when its your own life, its another to laugh at death when it is staring at your friends...
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suilenroc wrote: dingus wrote: suilenroc wrote: 1. His first time rappelling, no fireman's belay, the camera man laughs in anticipation of his fall. Hehe yes it reminded me of the time I 'taught' Ronnie to rappel and the home made harness I have him fell apart mid-rap! That laughter? Just so you know... its not mean spirited. Its a 'nervous laughter,' a sympathetic response. See the laugher had been in and knows well the feelings the laughee is experiencing. He knows is dangerous and scary as hell. The laughter is a nervous release, so don't hold it against him. I bet you may have experienced something similar yourself - that nervous 'climber's laugh.' (we laugh at death, we do!) DMT I know exactly what you are talking about and have definitely experienced it... I hold it against him because he put his friend in that position. To put a n00b in such a situation is extremely stupid, that kid had no idea what he was getting himself into. Ahh, just irritates the hell out of me that people do this shit to people that have no experience. Its one thing to laugh death in the face when its your own life, its another to laugh at death when it is staring at your friends...
Tell the truth... YOU'RE THE RAPPELLER IN THE VID, aren't you hahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
(I'd hold a grudge too!)
Cheers
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suilenroc
Nov 24, 2008, 7:33 PM
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In reply to: Tell the truth... YOU'RE THE RAPPELLER IN THE VID, aren't you hahahahahahahahahahahahaha! (I'd hold a grudge too!)
No way mango, that rap is way to easy for it to be me... I rap 5.14s as a warm up...
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Its times like this that I wish I could view youtube at work 
You all have all the fun 
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suilenroc wrote: dingus wrote: suilenroc wrote: 1. His first time rappelling, no fireman's belay, the camera man laughs in anticipation of his fall. Hehe yes it reminded me of the time I 'taught' Ronnie to rappel and the home made harness I have him fell apart mid-rap! That laughter? Just so you know... its not mean spirited. Its a 'nervous laughter,' a sympathetic response. See the laugher had been in and knows well the feelings the laughee is experiencing. He knows is dangerous and scary as hell. The laughter is a nervous release, so don't hold it against him. I bet you may have experienced something similar yourself - that nervous 'climber's laugh.' (we laugh at death, we do!) DMT I know exactly what you are talking about and have definitely experienced it... I hold it against him because he put his friend in that position. To put a n00b in such a situation is extremely stupid, that kid had no idea what he was getting himself into. Ahh, just irritates the hell out of me that people do this shit to people that have no experience. Its one thing to laugh death in the face when its your own life, its another to laugh at death when it is staring at your friends...
His friend's a dick for not walking him through the process and backing him up, but that first-timer has a shit-ton of nerve. Hopefully he and his buddy learn from their mistakes before they catch up to them. That said, my own first experience rappelling may be more traumatic than his.
When I was in my late teens/early 20s (in other words, firmly in the dumb-ass phase), my friends took me urban rappelling. They threw a harness, figure-8, and a pair of gloves on me, and sent my ass off a bridge. They almost made me the first guy down, then one of them offered to go first and provide a fireman's belay. My introduction/lesson (about 30 seconds) took a lot less time than talking me over the rail and off into the void. It was scary as all hell hanging free like that, beneath a bridge in full darkness, but I made it down okay.
Next we climbed and rappelled a nearby smoke stack. I was just getting comfortable, pushing off a bit and looking down. My long hair fed into my figure-8, and before I knew it I was somewhere around 15-20' up, totally stuck. The guy on top couldn't figure out what was taking so long, and kept tugging to see if the rope was slack yet. Thankfully, friends scurried up iron girders supporting the stack and supported me while someone told the guy on top to drop the rope. Had that shit happened on the free-hanging rappel, I doubt if my friends would have known what to do. I sure as hell didn't.
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suilenroc wrote: dingus wrote: suilenroc wrote: 1. His first time rappelling, no fireman's belay, the camera man laughs in anticipation of his fall. Hehe yes it reminded me of the time I 'taught' Ronnie to rappel and the home made harness I have him fell apart mid-rap! That laughter? Just so you know... its not mean spirited. Its a 'nervous laughter,' a sympathetic response. See the laugher had been in and knows well the feelings the laughee is experiencing. He knows is dangerous and scary as hell. The laughter is a nervous release, so don't hold it against him. I bet you may have experienced something similar yourself - that nervous 'climber's laugh.' (we laugh at death, we do!) DMT I know exactly what you are talking about and have definitely experienced it... I hold it against him because he put his friend in that position. To put a n00b in such a situation is extremely stupid, that kid had no idea what he was getting himself into. Ahh, just irritates the hell out of me that people do this shit to people that have no experience. Its one thing to laugh death in the face when its your own life, its another to laugh at death when it is staring at your friends...
Dammit Dingus, stop being so understanding and reasonable!
I see what you're saying suilen, but chances are the friend in question doesn't really know what he's doing either, but thinks he does...I've experienced the following situation far too many times:
18-25 year old dude(s) doing something dumbfounding in some well-traveled climbing area.
Me: "Hey, you doing alright there? Need any help/advice/etc?"
Him: "Nah, by buddy in the [insert branch of the armed forces here] showed me how to do this; I'm fine."
More than likely, he'll be fine in the end, and since he had such a grand ol' time he'll go show heis newfound fun to someone else...
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Bah, we've all done worse than that in our time.
How do you know there isn't another competent chappie at the bottom holding the brake as a backup?
Regardless, these guys probably won't die, hopefully they'll be inspired to learn more and improve their safety, then they can look at youtube and talk about how they can't believe they did that.
Hell, I rapped off a toilet once at a party from the 3rd floor
The thing was anchored by 2 wood screws into the floor and I chucked the rope out the window and rapped down. Don't remember if I backed it up to the radiator, but the toilet held. 
Good times.
edited to add: don't try this at home!
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It won't be long before the idiot in the video gets seriously hurt
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