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Bats
Sep 2, 2009, 4:42 PM
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I hate my helmet,Grivel Salamander Helmet as well, for it does not fit a small head unless I have stocking cap or banda on. I am thinking about getting a Protec Helmet, use for skateboarding. I need one when I go to the skatepark, also side impact is a big plus. I think Protecs are heavier, but I haven't got one or done the research on them yet.
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dan2see
Sep 2, 2009, 4:52 PM
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roy_hinkley_jr wrote: Silly rant. First mistake was going to REI. Might be credible if you listed the specific models you tried and not just brands. Camp helmet have chin strap pads. You do know that the Y straps must be adjusted for proper fit right? It's well worth 5 minutes of fine-tuning before you decide on any model.
No, REI only sells what the manufacturers make. And you don't have to list the specific models -- they all suck.
The Camp helmet sucks, too!
My chin strap didn't survive the winter. As for that cheap Y strap -- that's what I get for buying the cheapest helmet the store offers.
It still sucks. But I wear it every time, because I need the protection.
(This post was edited by dan2see on Sep 2, 2009, 4:53 PM)
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markc
Sep 2, 2009, 5:05 PM
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roy_hinkley_jr wrote: First mistake was going to REI.
Care to elaborate? I've done my share of complaining about REI, but the models of helmets Dingus tried wouldn't suck any less elsewhere. If their in-store selection is close to the online offerings, there would be 7 models Dingus could have considered. This seems like you picking nits rather than an issue with the OP.
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curt
Sep 2, 2009, 5:09 PM
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Kong Scarab Helmet Review
By Matt Stanley
Photo's by Zach Reynolds
Kong Scarab, $117, 10 ounces
Summary: “Straight out of Milan” is how one tester described the Kong Scarab’s appearance. This bike-hemet-style polystyrene model was easily the most exotic-looking lid in the test — the helmet’s well-shrouded vents do indeed remind one of a scarab. Aside from the excellent ventilation, the Scarab also earns top marks for comfort, with a generous — but not chunky — layer of padding inside, and a padded chin strap. While the fit system was very easy to adjust, there were occasional problems with the push-and-rotate button popping open when bumped. Headlamps were difficult to put on and difficult to adjust for position, due to the headlamp clamps also functioning as the end points of the chin strap. Ponytail wearers may have issues with the rear of the suspension.
Pros: Comfortable; easy to adjust.
Cons: Adjustment dial can pop open.
Overall grade: A-
Kong/Advanced Basecamp: (888) 902-5462, www.advancedbasecamp.com
Curt
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tigerlilly
Sep 2, 2009, 5:12 PM
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Climbing helmet companies need to chat with bike helmet companies and get a few pointers on how to make a comfortable, good-fitting lid. The only climbing helmet I found that fit my pointy noggin was the small BD Tracer. The Meteor comes down past my eyebrows when otherwise properly situated. BD seems to be the only company that offers a helmet in more than one or two sizes. Bike helmets, otoh, come in a mind-boggling array of sizes and colors and fit systems. Of course, the market is way bigger, so I guess that supports the larger selection.
As far as the chin pad, if you can find something you like otherwise, you can always make your own with a scrap of fleece. Fwiw, the Salamander comes with a chin pad, but good luck finding one since Grivel NA left.
Kathy
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dingus
Sep 2, 2009, 5:13 PM
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curt wrote: [image]http://www.climbing.com/print/equipment/Equip-17-227.jpg[/image] Kong Scarab Helmet Review
By Matt Stanley
Photo's by Zach Reynolds
Kong Scarab, $117, 10 ounces
Summary: “Straight out of Milan” is how one tester described the Kong Scarab’s appearance. This bike-hemet-style polystyrene model was easily the most exotic-looking lid in the test — the helmet’s well-shrouded vents do indeed remind one of a scarab. Aside from the excellent ventilation, the Scarab also earns top marks for comfort, with a generous — but not chunky — layer of padding inside, and a padded chin strap. While the fit system was very easy to adjust, there were occasional problems with the push-and-rotate button popping open when bumped. Headlamps were difficult to put on and difficult to adjust for position, due to the headlamp clamps also functioning as the end points of the chin strap. Ponytail wearers may have issues with the rear of the suspension.
Pros: Comfortable; easy to adjust.
Cons: Adjustment dial can pop open.
Overall grade: A-
Kong/Advanced Basecamp: (888) 902-5462, www.advancedbasecamp.com Curt
I had a Kong helmet once. It was one of the first foamies and its the one I crushed with the haulbag (my fault, not the helmet's haha)
What the REI experience taught me is I REALLY need to try on a helmet before buying one.
Thanks curt - I'll look to see if anyone in NorCal sells these.
Simond - they make some weird assed carabiners. Made me leery of all other Simond gear frankly - it always seems a bit ... 'off.'
Cassin probably sells helmets too - I should look into that too I guess.
DMT
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qwert
Sep 2, 2009, 7:23 PM
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Finding a hlemet might not be easy, but you seem rather picky (or extremely big headed).
Chin strap padding?
WTF?
I once tried on a mammut helmet with such a padding, and would i have bought it, i would have cut it off imidiately! If the chin strap is made of a smooth webbing, there is no need for such crap. Just gets in the way and is uncomfortable.
Apart from that: Try to find a grivel salamander i guess. Doesnt sungam always rave about it and how it fits its big noggin (and you can get it in pink).
Or try other brands. have you had a look at some edelrid helmets? I have the ultralight, and i really like it. Also you might like their new helmets, the madillo and the targa. Normally everyone complains they are too big, so for someone big headed this might be an advantage.
also kong has a few helmets. The scarab has already had quite a few good reviews.
Is salewa available in the US? they also have a lot of different helmets.
And the simond bumper is actually made by casco, a bike helmet manufacturer, but i think it could be a bit warm for summer use.
qwert
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potreroed
Sep 2, 2009, 8:01 PM
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Would you like some cheese with your whine?? Why don't you design and produce the perfect helmet? Might be the perfect business opportunity for you.
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dingus
Sep 2, 2009, 8:15 PM
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qwert wrote: Finding a hlemet might not be easy, but you seem rather picky (or extremely big headed).
In reply to: Chin strap padding? WTF? I once tried on a mammut helmet with such a padding, and would i have bought it, i would have cut it off imidiately!
Perhaps you are female, or babyfaced or have a lighjt to non-existent beard? I have what I'd guess is medium../ I get 5 oclock shadow after shaving but I'm not a hairy batsard like some. Anyway, its the razor stubble, or the 3 day back country beard, that truly bothers me. The stubble causes chaffing with the nylon strap - it is very uncomfortable.
See the thing? I ski - and ski helmet mfgs seem to have solved comfort issues. Now you may perfer to suffer, go for it! Cut the padding off yer harness too mate. Shit can the harness actually and tie in bowline on a coil if you hate comfort so much!
DMT
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maldaly
Sep 2, 2009, 8:25 PM
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dingus, How many times do I have to tell you you can't put a round helmet on a square head ;-) They just don't fit well. Ha! We have two models that we make for round heads. Give them a try sometime. Just so this doesn't sound too commercial, a Petzl Ecrin Roc has saved my life twice. Once in Alaska and one in Ouray so I don't care how it fits. It's full of blood now and I use it to protect my noggin when I'm on my scooter.
Best,
Mal
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crankinv9
Sep 2, 2009, 8:27 PM
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dingus wrote: qwert wrote: Finding a hlemet might not be easy, but you seem rather picky (or extremely big headed). Big headed yes but not extremely so. Xtra large helmets and hats, usually. In reply to: Chin strap padding? WTF? I once tried on a mammut helmet with such a padding, and would i have bought it, i would have cut it off imidiately! Perhaps you are female, or babyfaced or have a lighjt to non-existent beard? I have what I'd guess is medium../ I get 5 oclock shadow after shaving but I'm not a hairy batsard like some. Anyway, its the razor stubble, or the 3 day back country beard, that truly bothers me. The stubble causes chaffing with the nylon strap - it is very uncomfortable. See the thing? I ski - and ski helmet mfgs seem to have solved comfort issues. Now you may perfer to suffer, go for it! Cut the padding off yer harness too mate. Shit can the harness actually and tie in bowline on a coil if you hate comfort so much! DMT
i have a joe brown super that will fit your big ole head,
it has foam and fiberglass and i doubt there is a haul bag out there that could break it
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areyoumydude
Sep 2, 2009, 8:31 PM
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How about one of these.
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tedman
Sep 2, 2009, 8:52 PM
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I'll third the grivel salamander. I have a friggin huge head, XXL or XXXL ski helmets are all that fit. Salamander was the only climbing helmet that was remotely comfortable. Good occipital protection too.
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rockandlice
Sep 2, 2009, 10:35 PM
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USnavy wrote: There is a solution for you. Try this on: [img]http://i.treehugger.com/images/2007/10/24/rock%20snot-jj-001.jpg[/img] Once you give that baby a try you will find helmets a bit more appealing. So you have been climbing how long and this is your first time trying on a helmet...?
Unfortunately your attempt at being a smart ass has left you looking like a dumbass.
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billcoe_
Sep 2, 2009, 11:44 PM
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I see you as the second from left dude Dingus.
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jbf101
Sep 3, 2009, 5:23 AM
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Try wearing one of these for 2 days straight >.>
http://fesu.com/pasg3.jpg
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jnm1
Sep 3, 2009, 6:04 AM
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This bike helmet might be a little bit too much form over function but I like the top cover for cold weather. Not sure how good it would be for climbing:
http://www.yankodesign.com/...ddy-with-excitement/
 [URL=http://g.imageshack.us/img297/nychelmet21.jpg/1/] [/image]
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curt
Sep 3, 2009, 6:20 AM
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Hey n00btool, the question was about climbing helmets, mmmkay?
Curt
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jnm1
Sep 3, 2009, 6:35 AM
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tigerlilly wrote: Climbing helmet companies need to chat with bike helmet companies and get a few pointers on how to make a comfortable, good-fitting lid.
I was replying to this.
Sorry I don't have any pictures of the village people or dallas cowboy hats to add.
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qwert
Sep 3, 2009, 7:51 AM
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dingus wrote: In reply to: Chin strap padding? WTF? I once tried on a mammut helmet with such a padding, and would i have bought it, i would have cut it off imidiately! Perhaps you are female, or babyfaced or have a lighjt to non-existent beard? I have what I'd guess is medium../ I get 5 oclock shadow after shaving but I'm not a hairy batsard like some. Anyway, its the razor stubble, or the 3 day back country beard, that truly bothers me. The stubble causes chaffing with the nylon strap - it is very uncomfortable. See the thing? I ski - and ski helmet mfgs seem to have solved comfort issues. Now you may perfer to suffer, go for it! Cut the padding off yer harness too mate. Shit can the harness actually and tie in bowline on a coil if you hate comfort so much! DMT
The reason why i prefer the webbing over the padding is that the webbing is smooth and glides on the skin and facial hair, whereas a padding is all fuzzy and gets caught in even the slightest stubble. But with helmets with a rough webbing it might be different.
Since you like ski helmets: Some are rated for climbing too, so that might be a solution? for example salewa has one, and i think the kong scarab is also rated for about a gazillion sports.
qwert
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Sep 3, 2009, 6:16 PM
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tedman wrote: I'll third the grivel salamander. I have a friggin huge head, XXL or XXXL ski helmets are all that fit. Salamander was the only climbing helmet that was remotely comfortable. Good occipital protection too.
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Sep 3, 2009, 6:44 PM
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I have an Edelrid ultralight. It sucks too, but I like it better than petzel and bd helmets.
http://shopping.yahoo.com/...g:4168-Brand=edelrid
As I've said before though, we don't ware helmets because they're cool, comfortable, or stylish. We ware them to keep us from getting coloring books for x-mas for the rest of our lives.
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dingus
Sep 3, 2009, 6:53 PM
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The comfort part of your 'we don't' position is bogus.
Look at any modern harness and tell me comfort is unimportant.
The problem herfe is I have used Leki ski helmets for a few years now and so I KNOW that this no comfort thing is bogus to the core.
DMT
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grampacharlie
Sep 3, 2009, 7:35 PM
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I never said that helmets couldn't be comfortable. I simply meant that when deciding what head gear to don for the occasional stroll down to the market and choosing between that broken in old baseball cap, the well worn visor, or the climbing helmet, one would easily be able to eliminate at least one of the three options.
that being said, I did find a camp helmet once, I don't know the particular model, that was very comfy, and light enough that I actually did forget it was there.
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