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mr.poo
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May 2, 2003, 4:13 AM
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so true so true. man it is easy to slip up and spray like this. i dont hate you for doing just be a nice guy and you will soon find the real benefits of being a climber. community, fun, and a life changing process. my life is so good and clear ever since i started this sport. it is a spiritual thing almost. try not to measure yourself on strength and grades so much. i mean it is awsome to climb hard stuff i try hard to bump up to another grade. just enjoy it.
dont worry you will see what i am talking about when you go out with some friends and camp at a boulder field some where in the mountains and climb hard for a couple of days. that is what it is all about baby.
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slyder
May 2, 2003, 4:43 AM
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I'm gonna go out and agree with what everybody else has said. I used to run a climbing wall, and I saw a lot of natural talent. But when it all boils down, these people didn't know jack about what climbing is. They would muscle through a climb, with almost no technique, and call it an amazing climb. Since you are a bad ass at V0 and V1, try doing a couple of traverses, rated very low, restricting your self to one or two fingers per hand. Try doing dynos the same way. Hook up with someone who climbs trad, and try to pick that up. I'm not trying to bash you, but grasshopper, you've got a lot left to learn. I've been climbing a few years, and I still don't know it all. Keep pull'n hard, and get outside. If the climbs to seem to make a difference, the scenery should. Peace.
Oh, and watch a few Chris Sharma videos.
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jakedatc
May 2, 2003, 4:08 PM
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In reply to: Oh...and try climbing outdoors you might be humbled a bit.
Ha I agree.. no i'm not as good as this person is (5.7-5.9 and V2) but i have climbed back and forth indoors and outdoors bouldering and top roping (some day sport.. some day) But there is a huggge difference between using a 8-10" crash pad in the gym then using a little 3" pad outdoors covering rocks.
Also, outdoors the routes aren't nicely taped out with pretty colors telling you exactly where to go.. and the different types of rock.. granite, sandstone, limestone etc etc make for much different holds compared to indoors (simulated but never duplicated)
AND finally be careful which women you watch because there are a lot of them out there that are a lot stronger then you and a foot shorter and far beyond your abilities.. if you need proof
http://www.rockclimbing.com/photos.php?Action=Show&PhotoID=13313
(also a shameless plug for Climbnow1's pics he's amazing)
Jake
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jetman_jake
Jun 12, 2003, 3:39 AM
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I've been climbing since September. I'm shorter than you and weigh more. You climb better than I do. Good for you.
Wait, in a gym.
I don't mean to bash you or anything, but I agree, you have lots to learn. You can easily reach holds I have to dyno for. Way to go. But sit back, hang out with some climbers, make some friends, get really drunk once or twice. You have a long time to climb. Enjoy it. Don't just chase numbers.
I'll let you in on a secret.
it's not about the numbers. 8)
~j
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tonyeatworld
Jun 12, 2003, 4:09 AM
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My dog just started climbing with me about a month ago and he has gone up a grade at least every week. We only climb at the gym together because of the leash laws and such but he has already climbed stuff that gym owner said was only put up as a joke and was thought to be impossible. I keep trying to tell him that climbing is about personal growth and not about chasing numbers, but you know how labs are.
As for myself I can TR some 10's but am still working on leading 9's as the rope burn on the back of my leg indicates. So I guess what I am trying to say is I suck compared to you, but you suck compared to the amazing climbing abilities of my dog. Give yourself time and learn proper safety issues like how to anchor and rope stuff(technical jargon sorry), that way you can go climb on a real "rock". Oh also unless you have a real question don't post anything on here, just read stuff that others post, kind of like listening when talking to experienced climbers and what they have to say instead of blabbing away. You might learn something despite all the incredible bickering and the many posts asking "when are you no longer a beginner". All right I got to go my dog wants to go hit the gym.
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1269topper
Jun 12, 2003, 6:14 AM
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Cool Man, congrats on your acomplishments, your right you probably have a natural ability to be a great climber. Keep up the good work and pump it out, just remeber to rest as often as you can, atleast well enough to keep from blowing yourself up.
I don't want to sound like a grump but there is three parts to climbing, the physical streights (which you appear to be developing very well), techincal ability (understanding how to get on and HOME ALIVE) and the head game (hee hee 8) . DOn't get discouraged my some of the negative spray on this site. Some people get off on putting others down and that why they will never succeed at the own goals. I think they just have never found themselves.
Man if you think you love this sport broaden you horizons get outdoors. If you dont dig it and realize the gyms your place cool. You decide your own involvement.
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overlord
Jun 12, 2003, 6:26 AM
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ok. im just going to say that GYM can in no way be compared with real rock. all fear factor is removed, you can clearly SEE the next hold you know it (used it on previous problems). gyms are good for training, but you cant REALLY grade the routes. you can just say "this problem is very hard" or "this looks hard but is only a warmup".
i also have a skinny friend that can pull like mad AT THE GYM, but on real rock, he sucks more than i did when i was climbing for the amount of time he is.
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ropeburn
Jun 12, 2003, 7:40 AM
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In reply to: My dog just started climbing with me about a month ago and he has gone up a grade at least every week. We only climb at the gym together because of the leash laws and such but he has already climbed stuff that gym owner said was only put up as a joke and was thought to be impossible. I keep trying to tell him that climbing is about personal growth and not about chasing numbers, but you know how labs are. As for myself I can TR some 10's but am still working on leading 9's as the rope burn on the back of my leg indicates. So I guess what I am trying to say is I suck compared to you, but you suck compared to the amazing climbing abilities of my dog. Give yourself time and learn proper safety issues like how to anchor and rope stuff(technical jargon sorry), that way you can go climb on a real "rock". Oh also unless you have a real question don't post anything on here, just read stuff that others post, kind of like listening when talking to experienced climbers and what they have to say instead of blabbing away. You might learn something despite all the incredible bickering and the many posts asking "when are you no longer a beginner". All right I got to go my dog wants to go hit the gym.
hummmmmm.... I wonder where my nick came from....
At least I'm glad someone else suffers from the same affliction...
:)
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jakedatc
Jun 13, 2003, 6:32 AM
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"I keep trying to tell him that climbing is about personal growth and not about chasing numbers, but you know how labs are. "
Just tie a tennis ball 5 feet above him/her and he/she'll be doing laps all day long. get him out on real rock with too many sticks or ponds around.. i doubt they'll want to climb anymore :lol:
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koto
Jun 13, 2003, 8:02 AM
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In reply to: i you want to know how good you are you are gonna have to wait about 3 to 4 years. you are fresh man. your are actually moving too fast. you can never learn enough technique by the way. the main and probably obly reason you can climb these grades is because most v0-v3 is going to be pretty easy when you weigh 130 at 5'11. man i was in the same boat as you when i stated climbing. i thought i was getting good so fast but now i realize that it was only in the gym. outside is so different in many ways than i can explain. you will see this one day. but i was 230 pounds when i started climbing and i worked hard for these last two years to get down to 180. i am 6'3 and 180 which could still be considered optimal height to weight ratio with muscle. but i have learned to smuch in these two years. it is a long process to fully understand what the hell is going on with your climbing abilities. just take it as it comes. your need to take your food off the gas and be careful man, it sounds like you are looking at a climbig life full of ego. be humble if you are better than others, help those who need help learning, learn from those you help, and never think too much of yourself. Climbing is just a big mass of learning not muscle. man i have so much to say but i am gonig to stop there. just slow down adn dont ask how good you are, stop the spraying. climb outside, gyms are no means to me4asure yourself.
This man's words a pure wisdom.
I, like, Mr. Poo and yourself thought I was Sharma after about a month in a gym (actually I didn't know who he was at thetime :P ), I was climbing 5.11b and shit and was a chuffing tard. I even had the audacity to call myself a climber (pfft!!!)
I have now seen the folly in my ways.
I have now been seriously climbing outdoors for about 5-6 months, mostly top rope, and the 5.11 area is my max. In fact the first time I went outdoors I flailed, and i mean fucking FLAILED!!! on a 5.4.
Until you have been outdoors and been in a situation where you cannot see the next hold, you can feel the cruel and painful bight of quartzite in your fingers, feel the burning sun threating to incininerate your ego, feel what a true sloper is like, feel the confusion of not knowing how to exploit a meagre finger pocket for all its worth, save your chuff for the gym.
On the other hand your doing well, but dude, seize the fucking day! get outdoors!!!!
Also find someone much better than you are as a partner, it will make you realize how much you blow, and is also a good way to learn. I have been fortunate enough to have such a friend (thanks dave! :wink: ).
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redpoint73
Jun 13, 2003, 12:08 PM
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It may be uncommon to progress really fast when you start climbing. Buts its not unheard-of or anything. Everyone develops skills and muscle mass at different rates, and have different levels of motivation. I climb with a 21 year old that just sent his first two 5.12s outside after climbing for exactly one year. And he would have done it sooner if not for that whole "winter" thing in New England.
Don't use gym climbs to gauge your progress until 1) you are more familiar with the grading system and its nuances and differences, and 2) until you get a chance to climb outside. Gym ratings are unreliable because they are seldom a matter of any concensus. Many times, a gym employee puts up a problem/route, then just rates it himself so that customers have a general idea of how hard it is. At my gym, I recently had trouble on a climb that was 2 number grades below what I can regularly do (and a grade I really don't fall on anymore -inside or out). It was a brand new route that the routesetter had rated, even though he NEVER EVEN TRIED CLIMBING IT. Later he tried it, and couldn't even finish the route!
In reply to: i you want to know how good you are you are gonna have to wait about 3 to 4 years
While I agree that some people are slower to learn than others, and that it takes a good year or two of climbing outside before most climbers really begin to understand what their limits are, and what they can/cannot do. But 4 years??? Come on!!! ....
In reply to: Climbing is just a big mass of learning not muscle
Climbing is both technique and strength. People keep talking about technique on there forums as if you can subtract the strength part and still improve your climbing. You need both elements. I think those people are forgetting how much their forearms and fingers hurt their first year of climbing. Sure, you can find a few routes that require more balance and technique than finger or shoulder strength. But in order to succeed on a wide array of routes and progress past your current level, you definately need some strength. How much strength depends on your level and the style of climbs you are doing.
Lots of people are saying this kid will get overuse injuries from climbing too much. Possible, maybe even likely. But you DON"T KNOW THAT. Only he can gauge what his body is telling him, and when to back off. There are people who climb everyday and never get hurt. Everyone's bodies are different, and you kind of have to feel some pain before you know what your limits are. I think a bunch of these naysayers are climbers who have slow muscle recovery and aging tendons, and just a bit jealous because they can't climb every day (like me!) :D
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