Very intersting points all around. Now I feel good in my decision to not get one. My GriGri has worked well for me for a long time now, no need to change it up for a little weight saving when I mostly do single pitch anyways.

I am supprised that this has happened to so many people so quickly and the only reference to it from Petzl is burried in a second eddition online manual on page 10... I wonder if they didn't want it to hurt their bottom line and since it is not a safety concern, why not keep it hush hush if it helps profits...

I also was supprised how many people here call it batmaning instead of boinking.

i sport climb all the time, i help climbers boink up all the time, i use this technique all the time, and after having the device do this once and realizing what caused it, it doesnt happen anymore because i dont jerk the device around while doing it.

Gotta say this is a serious case of "the sky is falling". Petzl obviously TESTED this and sees it as no big deal. Frankly, neither do I. This issue could come up with a GriGri 1 as well, just not as frequently. It's just a matter of the old one having a longer lever which made getting the rope BEHIND it harder. You could do it with the old one too.

This makes no sense as a comparison at all. It's obviously not a problem with the GG1, so it doesn't matter if it *could* be or not.

That, and there is no physical way that the rope could become caught in a similar way in the GriGri 1. To make room for the shorter handle, petzl cut the gap where the new pivot point is out of the frame. They made the spot that the rope becomes stuck.

it does not lock up during attentive, proper belays.

How can a belay device requiring you to change hand position to feed out slack quickly be less prone to (or not) lock up than a device that does not??? Do you require your partners to yell clipping all the time?

I also was supprised how many people here call it batmaning instead of boinking.

Jake,

If you really feel like this is a major issue, why don't you get in touch with Petzl? I'm sure they would be happy to give you more information about testing that was done on this, etc. If you're really looking for a recall, this is the responsible thing to do. Quit whining about a 'cover-up' or 'conspiracy.' Be a responsible advocate of your position.

While I agree that the instructions to read "The Product Experience" should be more explicit, I'd like you to show me the manual that came with your Cinch. I remember reading all the instructions that came with the Cinch and watching the video. I still had to do more research to know all the failure modes and all the little tricks to make it work better, safely.

I'll second Matt's quote of RGold. Knowing how to use your device and knowing EVERY way it can fail is important. You'll have to turn your brain on and think your way through these problems in all the climbing you do. Petzl evidently expected that you could figure out how to fix this 'issue' without any excess coddling.

After receiving the link to the supplementary manual, did you read the whole thing? Can you understand why this doesn't ship with the device?

And you keep defending petzl for causing a problem that shouldn't exist and tucking it under the rug 10 pages deep into a manual that they don't include with the device.

sorry to tell you but jumping to pull in slack, especially when the climber outweighs you (which is almost all of our partners for Drivel and I) , is a very common and attentive way to belay.

to recap... compared to the Cinch it: feeds less easily, wears out faster, costs more, weighs more, locks up during normal sport climbing belays. WAY TO GO PETZL!!

I believe that is an insinuation of a 'cover-up.' Correct me if I'm wrong.

I think my biggest problem with responses like just don't buy one, or get a grigri 1 is that petzel stopped making the grigri 1, and soon you won't be able to buy one new, and I will not buy used gear. I'm on the fence about weather or not I will keep my grigri 2 . . .

You're on the fence because of a non-safety issue with an easy fix?

Jay

While I agree that many people stop reading before this point, it isn't the main point. The main point is that if he feels that this constitutes a defect in the product, he should communicate that to Petzl, as should all people that feel it is. If enough people put pressure on Petzl to make it clear that they are disappointed in the product, something could change. Whining about it on RC but not doing anything about it is silly.

Hey fuckwad.. I'm not whining. I was bringing up an issue that I and many others had no idea existed.

Petzl can go fuck themselves. Eventually the word will get out more and they can decide if they want to fix it or not.

Hey fuckwad.. I'm not whining. I was bringing up an issue that I and many others had no idea existed.

Petzl can go fuck themselves. Eventually the word will get out more and they can decide if they want to fix it or not.

I appreciate your viewpoint, but you continued to flip even once you knew the fix. Your anti-Petzl bias is noted, but I really think you could have communicated that better. Try to cool your jets, bro.

I'm not trying to get on your case here, I'm just pointing out that this is a non-issue. I'm also pointing out that people tend to avoid reading the instructions for all products. Not just you, and not just the GriGri2. We depend on this stuff to save our lives...don't you think you should put in a little effort to read through this stuff?

How did you learn to use the Cinch? Where did you get that information from? Did those instructions cover every idiosyncrasy of the device's usage? I'm sincerely interested in your answer.

Also, do you read your cell phone manual?


EDIT: http://www.trango.com/...chInstrBookletCE.pdf

Those are the Cinch instructions that ship with the device. FYI.

Never mind Jake. Clearly you aren't getting your own point.

I started this thread because i didn't think many people knew about it and didn't think that Petzl would have release a product with that kind of a flaw. I was incorrect.

Petzl knows about the problem, they have chosen to ignore it and produce it anyway. Contacting them would be pointless.