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hasbeen
Oct 1, 2004, 7:05 PM
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In reply to: It is painfully obvious that you never have had to do crowd control during an emergency sitiuation... There is a reason hospitals use code words for things such as fire, trauma, stolen babys, hazmat, etc.. So they do not unneccsarily scare the public. The same is what Bush did.
Bush was at an elementary school, not the United Nations!!!!
You really think that he couldn't have said, "Excuse me kids, something has just come up I need to attend to"?
C'mon, man. You really think a bunch of kids are going to tear outta class screaming, "we're being attacked..." There is no way they would have even known a thing.
Face it, the guy was sitting there biding time and probably wondering, "this isn't the gig those guys told me I was in for". And he never did leave on his own. He sat there until someone came and got him. Shoot, if anything was going to create a panic it would have been that.
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reno
Oct 1, 2004, 7:07 PM
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In reply to: In reply to: Some reading available here, here, here, and others available via Real Clear Politics Reno, I don't consider any FOX affiliate to be "real clear politics". That's absurd.
I didn't name the site. I simply posted a link to a page that has numerous links to numerous articles, covering BOTH sides of the spectrum, and offering MULTIPLE views.
I don't consider FOX news to be of much value, either, but I do like having a single page where I can get links to The Washington Post, The Chicago Sun-Times, USA Today, Detroit Free Press, and other sources of information without having to wade through seven hundred URLs.
So on this, we agree. :)
In reply to: If you are benefitting from Bush's economic policies it means you are making an awful lot of money.
I'm benefitting from Bush's economic plans and policies. I don't make a lot of money. I just select carefully where I will invest. That is not hard, though it does take effort.
Perhaps you are upset that it's not as "easy" to make money as it was under Clinton?
Finally, lest we forget, all those "gains" under President Clinton's administration were quick losses when the market corrected itself. So in effect, you really didn't "gain" anything, unless you sold at just the right time (ala Martha Stewart.)
The President does not control the economy... the consumers do.
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benpullin
Oct 1, 2004, 7:41 PM
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In reply to: The President does not control the economy... the consumers do.
It is totally naive to think that decisions made by any president or his administration have no effect on the economy.
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reno
Oct 1, 2004, 7:53 PM
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In reply to: In reply to: The President does not control the economy... the consumers do. It is totally naive to think that decisions made by any president or his administration have no effect on the economy.
And it likewise naive to think that one single man has enough control over a free-market economy to make it go in any given direction.
That was the primary flaw in Marx's economic theory... he thought a market/economy could be controlled. It cannot.
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bobd1953
Oct 1, 2004, 8:08 PM
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Here are a few of the reasons the outdoor industry is supporting Kerry. from Itti: Gotta love cut and paste!
5 - Percentage of the world's population that is American.
25 - Percentage of the world's oil used by America.
63 - Percentage of oil the United States imported in 2003, a record high.
24,000 - Estimated number of premature deaths that will occur under Bush's Clear Skies initiative.
300 - Number of Clean Water Act violations by the mountaintop-mining industry in 2003.
750,000 - Tons of toxic waste the US military, the world's biggest polluter, generates around the world each Year.
$3.8bn - Amount in the Superfund trust fund for toxic site clean-ups in 1995, the Year "polluter pays" fees expired.
$0m - Amount of uncommitted dollars in the Superfund trust fund for toxic site clean-ups in 2003.
270 - Estimated number of court decisions citing federal Negligence in endangered-species protection that remained unheeded during the first year of the Bush administration.
100 - Percentage of those decisions that Bush then decided to allow the government to ignore indefinitely.
68.4 - Average Number of species added to the Endangered and Threatened Species list each year between 1991 and 2000.
0 - Number of endangered species voluntarily added by the Bush administration since taking office.
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bobd1953
Oct 1, 2004, 8:11 PM
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In reply to: And it likewise naive to think that one single man has enough control over a free-market economy to make it go in any given direction.
So what does Alan Greenspan do?
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newgirl
Oct 1, 2004, 8:39 PM
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Alan Greenspan is the Chairman of the Federal Reserve, which, by law is designed to "promote effectively the goals of maximum employment, stable prices, and moderate long-term interest rates." Ultimately, what controls the economy is the fear instilled in the people by the goverment, which is funded by large corporations. Fear of being attacked and fear of having less than your neighbor...
Personally, if I see another fat American driving a luxury SUV, hauling a big screen TV, smoking a cigar, eating a burger, and talking on his cell phone I'm going to...
deep breath...Zen thoughts...
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sauron
Oct 1, 2004, 9:07 PM
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In reply to: In reply to: It is painfully obvious that you never have had to do crowd control during an emergency sitiuation... There is a reason hospitals use code words for things such as fire, trauma, stolen babys, hazmat, etc.. So they do not unneccsarily scare the public. The same is what Bush did. Bush was at an elementary school, not the United Nations!!!!
All the more reason to be calm. The United Nations would probably know how to handle a figure of authority storming off with no or little explanation.
In reply to: Face it, the guy was sitting there biding time and probably wondering, "this isn't the gig those guys told me I was in for". And he never did leave on his own. He sat there until someone came and got him. Shoot, if anything was going to create a panic it would have been that.
Face it, the only person who knows what the president was thinking during that time, is the President himself (and maybe his close family, etc) - the rest is pure speculation.
I'm pretty sure, had the president run out of the room - Michael "Fruitcake" Moore and the rest of you - would have found some way to fling dirt about how he handled the situation.
- d.
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traddad
Oct 1, 2004, 9:12 PM
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In reply to: 300 - Number of Clean Water Act violations by the mountaintop-mining industry in 2003
Probably closer to three times that. These are just the major releases/discharges.
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scottcody
Oct 2, 2004, 3:31 AM
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In reply to: 0 - Number of endangered species voluntarily added by the Bush administration since taking office.
Wrong... Islamic Terrorist cockroaches.
I would be interested to see where you got the rest of those number. and see how the stack up with the numbers under the clinton administration.
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anykineclimb
Oct 2, 2004, 4:40 AM
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In reply to: 0 - Number of endangered species voluntarily added by the Bush administration since taking office.
Just a thought...
Why do you need to add to the endangered species list if theres no need to?
For example: The Bald Eagle came off the Endangered species list and onto the "threatened" list and is now off off that. meaning, theres enough eagles now that they're no longer a threaten species.
SO, looking at this statistic makes me think that its a good thing that no species were added, as the population numbers have increased.
just one way to look at it..
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scrapedape
Oct 5, 2004, 2:01 PM
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In reply to: Never did..? You're f---ing kidding right..? :shock: Not only did they exist and had been used in the past, but remnants of the Sarin WMD's were in fact used to make roadside bombs.
True. I remember that indicent. Not incidents. Incident. In a country the US supplied with chemical weapons for a number of years, this is hardly surprising. And hardly the actions of Saddam Hussein, who, if I recall correctly, was at that time living in a hole in the ground like the rat that he is.
In reply to: Hussein also repeatedly claimed he not only had them, but that he would use them on our troops!
I challenge you to link to a credible news report of this threat. I recall nothing but denials of the WMDs. Sure, he threatened to fill the Euphrates with American blood, but that's just tinpot dictator boilerplate. Pretty conventional, some might say.
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scrapedape
Oct 5, 2004, 2:10 PM
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In reply to: I gave many examples of why the Democrats are worse on the pocketbook. You didn't suggest a thing. Would you care to see some numbers, like taxes cut, protected incomes lost vs gained, money spend on small business vs. useless social programs? How about endangered savings account numbers? You can go right down the line on any subject that you consider to be ' responsible' and the Republican voting record is going to be far more favorable (if you consider personal responsibility favorable) than the Democrats. This is not speculation. It's a simple fact. All you have to do is examine voting records. :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) - couldn't resist
Whether a social program is useful or useless is a matter of perspective. I happen to think they're a good investment. Some people don't. I can understand where they're coming from and will agree to disagree.
But Bush's problem is that he doesn't have the stones to cut social programs. He accuses Kerry of being a tax & spend liberal, but Bush's own record belies a philosophy of "don't tax but spend anyways." This is incomprehensibly short-sighted, and I fail to understand it. Regardless of where the money's going, we're heading for big trouble if we keep spending more than we collect. If you want lower taxes, you gotta cut spending. If you're afraid to cut "useless social programs" because large numbers of voters happen to like those programs and count on those programs, you better think twice before slashing taxes.
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greyicewater
Oct 5, 2004, 2:41 PM
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kerry sucks
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scrapedape
Oct 5, 2004, 3:22 PM
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That's deep, Cicero.
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