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crazyakclimber
Apr 27, 2005, 2:30 AM
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I don't know what you all are talkin about!... you coulda fooled me but I thought that "TRAD" stood for Taranchulas, Rhinoceros's, Ardvarcs and Dancing Yeti's! Boy do I need to read up on climbing some more!!
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curt
Apr 27, 2005, 2:31 AM
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In reply to: In reply to: Trad climbing is what free-climbing was before sportclimbing. Duh. 8^) Curt That's what I said! -Jay
Sorry. Did I infringe any copyrights?
Curt
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jpdreamer
Apr 27, 2005, 2:57 AM
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In reply to: In reply to: When I get off a trad climb I'm not thinking about how cool that last move was, You're climbing the wrong routes.
I should have said I'm not focusing on how cool the last move was, it may have cool moves, but the main feeling isn't that I loved the moves, but that I loved the experience of the route. Like I said, exhilarating. But then, the hardest trad I've done is an easy 10, so maybe that wouldn't hold after getting off an 11c or something.
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woutdoor
Apr 27, 2005, 3:16 AM
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[quote="chriss"]There was a time when "traditional" climbing was done from the ground up. This is the way mountains were done, so this was the way "practise" climbs were done. Protection (any type) was put in on lead. Even aid climbing was considered traditional. No preview, no beta, no cleaning, no TR, no.....
Obviously times have changed.
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Right on chriss
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Apr 27, 2005, 3:22 AM
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In reply to: "Sport routes are bolted in a way that allows the climber to focus on the moves and not the consequences of a fall." Lord Slime -snip- However, not all sport routes are rap bolted. Many were first climbed from the ground up. So 'ground up' is not a defining quality. Some sport routes have runouts, especially at the end, and on easier ground. Some trad routes with bolts are well protected. So that is not a defining quality either. -snip I suggest you just climb and worry about definitions later. JV
Yes, yes just climb *head is spinning*.
I don't even know if I should refer to it as rock climbing any more. From now on I will call it rock ascending. "Do you want to go rock ascending this weekend". :D
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cosmiccragsman
Apr 27, 2005, 3:44 AM
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Notice to ALL sport climbers: STAY IN THE GYM!
Leave the real climbing to the trad climbers
cosmiccragsman
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zozo
Apr 27, 2005, 3:46 AM
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Wow, I can't believe we managed to squeeze six pages out of this lemon.
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loadstar
Apr 27, 2005, 4:08 AM
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Yes
Fools try try to define something that does not need!
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sticky_fingers
Apr 27, 2005, 4:25 AM
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Dang, I'm late to the party. Hey Jay, what's El Cap again? :D
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rgold
Apr 27, 2005, 5:45 PM
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In reply to: Its really this simple... old people do not get to define the slang of young people.
This is certainly true, and this particular old person has absolutely no interest in defining anybody's slang. Young people will do what they want to do, often after first ascertaining what old people do not want them to do so that they can go ahead an do exactly that.
But...the post was initiated by someone---young or old, we don't know---who doesn't know what the slang means and is looking for a definition. And like it or not, trad is short for traditional and traditional refers to the past and it follows that those who both know and understand the past also know what the term refers to.
Whether current usage will reflect the sense of the contracted word and hence the roots of climbing or whether "trad" will just be a croaking noise, uttered with little meaning and no comprehension, to refer to whatever the croaker wants it to refer to, is a matter entirely in the hands of those who own the slang, and that ain't me, as Dingus so succinctly proclaims.
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maculated
Apr 27, 2005, 5:48 PM
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Heh. As a member of the MLA, and as a "young person" who uses slang, does that mean I get to definitively say from now on?
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reno
Apr 27, 2005, 5:56 PM
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In reply to: If there's no natural pro and bolted, it's a sport climb, no matter how insane. Bachar Yerian? Runout sport climb.
Are you really clueless, or are you just a troll?
B-Y, a sport climb?
That's pretty funny.
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jeffstephan
Apr 27, 2005, 6:12 PM
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In reply to: Wow, I can't believe we managed to squeeze six pages out of this lemon.
my thoughts exactly..
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slablizard
Apr 27, 2005, 6:23 PM
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RMAO! :lol:
you mean all the 5.7 to 5.9? Ok you can have them! If you stay off my 12b face :P
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azrockclimber
Apr 27, 2005, 7:06 PM
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In reply to: In reply to: ... but tradional climbing does not involve bolts... Why do you keep repeating this after at least a half dozen people have explained why it is wrong? Considering how long bolts have been used in climbing, you would be less wrong to argue that trad climbing doesn't involve cams. A really simple way to define traditional climbing is to define it as how climbing was done before sport climbing was invented. Sport climbing in the U.S. started at Smith Rock in the mid-80s. What differentiated it from how climbing was done traditionally, was that at Smith bolts were placed on rappel, hangdogging to work moves was considered acceptable, and so on. Bolts were not first used in sport climbing. They had been used by climbers for decades prior, but they were used minimally, placed on lead, and hand drilled. It's how bolts are used in sport climbing that differentiates a sport route from an all-bolt traditional route. This isn't that hard a concept, people. -Jay
I think it is rediculous that there is no gray area that is something other than sport or trad rock climbing. umm can't it be a bolted route. When I talk to some of the old hardasses from AZ they don't really refer to a bolted line as a trad line persay. they also do not call it a sport climb. they call it a bolted route and then usually throw in some other choice comments like ..make sure your ready for it..or It's an old style climb. Basically they are saying, without saying, that it is scary/ runout/ and dangerous but for them in their day it was pretty standard. I don't think all climbs, IMO, fall into sport and TRAD. anybody can clip a bolt not everyone can place secure gear and have it hold them in a fall. I might agree with you that the very first ( bad ass bolted route)ground up ascent of a given route was Trad-like or something like that but after the first ascent it was no longer Trad. Whatever, it is clear that we all feel differently about it.
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t_nut
Apr 27, 2005, 8:31 PM
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T9++
Can I come fishin' with you sometime? You sure gots some good bait. :wink:
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cosmiccragsman
Apr 27, 2005, 10:29 PM
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Hey slablizard;
I'm a trad climber and I can definitely climb harder than 5.9.
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addiroids
Apr 27, 2005, 10:51 PM
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I heard that sport climbing is good training for rock climbing.
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slablizard
Apr 27, 2005, 10:54 PM
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Advice:
Don't take me seriously. I'll climb trad with you anytime, and get my ass kicked on cracks you warm up on.
I really suck at cracks, that's why I avoid trad climbing.
do not loose your sense of humour, someone else might find it :)
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cosmiccragsman
Apr 28, 2005, 6:27 AM
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Hello Slablizard;
Yes, I have a sense of humor, and I'll be glad to climb with you anytime if you are down here in the apple valley,or Josh area. and I promise I'll stay off your 12c climbs. LOL. 12c Is out of the range of this old gimpy geezer
nowadays.
Cosmiccragsman
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piton
Apr 28, 2005, 1:03 PM
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trad means you skip the bolt and throw a shitty #1 rp on the crux move :lol:
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cosmiccragsman
Apr 28, 2005, 3:10 PM
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No Piton'
Not a Rp. I prefer a #1 HB
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jt512
Apr 28, 2005, 5:26 PM
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In reply to: I think it is rediculous that there is no gray area that is something other than sport or trad rock climbing. umm can't it be a bolted route.
I think it is ridiculous that you can't get it through your head that since bolt were used before the invention of sport climbing that bolts can't be the sole factor that defines a sport climb. Did you move to Pennsylvania just to be among like-minded gumbies?
In reply to: When I talk to some of the old hardasses from AZ they don't really refer to a bolted line as a trad line persay. they also do not call it a sport climb. they call it a bolted route and then usually throw in some other choice comments like ..make sure your ready for it..or It's an old style climb. Basically they are saying, without saying, that it is scary/ runout/ and dangerous but for them in their day it was pretty standard.
And what's a word meaning "a type of climb that was pretty standard back in the day before sport climbing was invented"?
-Jay
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maculated
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In reply to: And what's a word meaning "a type of climb that was pretty standard back in the day before sport climbing was invented"?
The Socratic method at its best!
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dru
Apr 28, 2005, 6:39 PM
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Trad refers to old school climbing done by guys with beards... like Sharma and Litz.
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