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shockabuku
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I was at the UBC comp in NY last week. One of the climbers was Sasha Digulian. Along with noting that she looks nearly malnourished, though still climbed extremely well, taking 2nd place to Angie Payne, it became apparent that Sasha is sponsored by Adidas.
Incidentally her height and weight is posted on the Adidas web site http://www.adidas-rockstars.com/...ten/sasha-digiulian/ as 157 cm (5'2"), 43 kg (95 lbs).
So I put those numbers in a BMI calculator and out comes the following statement:
Based on the height and weight entered, the BMI is 17.4 , placing the BMI-for-age at the 3rd percentile for girls aged 18 years 7 months. This teen is underweight and should be seen by a healthcare provider for further assessment to determine possible causes of underweight.
Having two daughters who are also competitive climbers, it concerns me a little.
Thoughts?
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shockabuku wrote: I was at the UBC comp in NY last week. One of the climbers was Sasha Digulian. Along with noting that she looks nearly malnourished, though still climbed extremely well, taking 2nd place to Angie Payne, it became apparent that Sasha is sponsored by Adidas. Incidentally her height and weight is posted on the Adidas web site http://www.adidas-rockstars.com/...ten/sasha-digiulian/ as 157 cm (5'2"), 43 kg (95 lbs). So I put those numbers in a BMI calculator and out comes the following statement: Based on the height and weight entered, the BMI is 17.4 , placing the BMI-for-age at the 3rd percentile for girls aged 18 years 7 months. This teen is underweight and should be seen by a healthcare provider for further assessment to determine possible causes of underweight. Having two daughters who are also competitive climbers, it concerns me a little. Thoughts?
If you do not know this girl personally, then mind your own business.
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Jun 27, 2011, 6:03 PM
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kaizen wrote: shockabuku wrote: I was at the UBC comp in NY last week. One of the climbers was Sasha Digulian. Along with noting that she looks nearly malnourished, though still climbed extremely well, taking 2nd place to Angie Payne, it became apparent that Sasha is sponsored by Adidas. Incidentally her height and weight is posted on the Adidas web site http://www.adidas-rockstars.com/...ten/sasha-digiulian/ as 157 cm (5'2"), 43 kg (95 lbs). So I put those numbers in a BMI calculator and out comes the following statement: Based on the height and weight entered, the BMI is 17.4 , placing the BMI-for-age at the 3rd percentile for girls aged 18 years 7 months. This teen is underweight and should be seen by a healthcare provider for further assessment to determine possible causes of underweight. Having two daughters who are also competitive climbers, it concerns me a little. Thoughts? If you do not know this girl personally, then mind your own business.
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johnwesely
Jun 27, 2011, 6:10 PM
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Honestly, it is a bit creepy that you took the time to do that.
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caughtinside wrote: kaizen wrote: shockabuku wrote: I was at the UBC comp in NY last week. One of the climbers was Sasha Digulian. Along with noting that she looks nearly malnourished, though still climbed extremely well, taking 2nd place to Angie Payne, it became apparent that Sasha is sponsored by Adidas. Incidentally her height and weight is posted on the Adidas web site http://www.adidas-rockstars.com/...ten/sasha-digiulian/ as 157 cm (5'2"), 43 kg (95 lbs). So I put those numbers in a BMI calculator and out comes the following statement: Based on the height and weight entered, the BMI is 17.4 , placing the BMI-for-age at the 3rd percentile for girls aged 18 years 7 months. This teen is underweight and should be seen by a healthcare provider for further assessment to determine possible causes of underweight. Having two daughters who are also competitive climbers, it concerns me a little. Thoughts? If you do not know this girl personally, then mind your own business. +1
I'm with them too...
of course there is a possibility that the girl is unhealthy and needs better nutritional habits, but it's also possible she is completely healthy. Those charts aren't the end all. When I was younger I used to always fall into what would be the unhealthy range. I was healthy, and my doctors agreed. It was always pretty frustrating when strangers would make assumptions.
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olderic
Jun 27, 2011, 6:34 PM
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Don't want to pile on but they do have a point. If you want to take a less creepy approach you could research the wealth of existing published information on this topic - running, gymnastics and even climbing have had scientific (varying degrees of actual "science" involved) on female anorexia and climbing. Before shooting in the dark for some one off "personal" responses (90+ % won't come from fathers of daughters competing in weight sensitive sports) see what you can find out.
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Jun 27, 2011, 6:40 PM
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At best BMI does a poor job of quantifying an individual's body composition. It's a gross generalization and doesn't address body fat. My BMI (24.5) places me at the low end of the spectrum of being overweight. I have 8.5 % percent body fat.
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j_ung
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If I were Sasha Diguilian, I'd be seriously pissed right now.
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csproul
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kaizen wrote: shockabuku wrote: I was at the UBC comp in NY last week. One of the climbers was Sasha Digulian. Along with noting that she looks nearly malnourished, though still climbed extremely well, taking 2nd place to Angie Payne, it became apparent that Sasha is sponsored by Adidas. Incidentally her height and weight is posted on the Adidas web site http://www.adidas-rockstars.com/...ten/sasha-digiulian/ as 157 cm (5'2"), 43 kg (95 lbs). So I put those numbers in a BMI calculator and out comes the following statement: Based on the height and weight entered, the BMI is 17.4 , placing the BMI-for-age at the 3rd percentile for girls aged 18 years 7 months. This teen is underweight and should be seen by a healthcare provider for further assessment to determine possible causes of underweight. Having two daughters who are also competitive climbers, it concerns me a little. Thoughts? If you do not know this girl personally, then mind your own business.
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johnwesely wrote: Honestly, it is a bit creepy that you took the time to do that.
Not creepy at all. I can easily see the thought process behind it all:
- Both his girls are competitive; they possibly got that competitive edge from dad.
- Dad loves his little girls and compares them to the best to figure out what could help them stand out.
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caughtinside
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csproul wrote: kaizen wrote: shockabuku wrote: I was at the UBC comp in NY last week. One of the climbers was Sasha Digulian. Along with noting that she looks nearly malnourished, though still climbed extremely well, taking 2nd place to Angie Payne, it became apparent that Sasha is sponsored by Adidas. Incidentally her height and weight is posted on the Adidas web site http://www.adidas-rockstars.com/...ten/sasha-digiulian/ as 157 cm (5'2"), 43 kg (95 lbs). So I put those numbers in a BMI calculator and out comes the following statement: Based on the height and weight entered, the BMI is 17.4 , placing the BMI-for-age at the 3rd percentile for girls aged 18 years 7 months. This teen is underweight and should be seen by a healthcare provider for further assessment to determine possible causes of underweight. Having two daughters who are also competitive climbers, it concerns me a little. Thoughts? If you do not know this girl personally, then mind your own business. So, you are only concerned about people you know personally? How compassionate!
Do you regularly comment on the weight of women you don't know? how is that working out for you?
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I think the OP could have made the point without writing the name of the person they refer to.
That said - for some athletes and sports, maintaining an unhealthy weight has been "part" of maintaining a competitive edge in the game. Gymnasts and jockeys have come to the fore with information on the topic
I've seen plenty of climbers - male and female - who climb really hard and - well, it's a good thing they aren't alpinists, because the first epic snowstorm stuck without fuel for a few days would be the end of them!
Mention anorexia/bulimia(as well as exercise bulimia, link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exercise_bulimia) in climbing circles and the hostility emerges pretty quickly. Gotta wonder what that's all about(and I am not referring to this thread, where it seems the upset is over pointing to the particular person).
I had the misfortune to be invited to a meal with a sponsored climber a few months ago and though I didn't notice the person's body at first, what I did notice was their behavior around food. They made a production out of the whole thing, insisting on sharing an entree with their friend(who was sort of like"I' hungry! I don't want to only have half!") and then making a caustic remark when the friend ordered a smoothie drink before dinner. They went on as to how they loved that drink, and then wanted to "share" the drink too.
By this time I knew the friend was in no danger of having their meal snarfed away - the 1st person took 2 teensy sips of the drink and was all
Ohhhhh - YUMMMMM!" about it, and then used the cocktail-sized saucer the drink arrived on as their dinner plate.
Anorexia/bulimia are serious, and deadly, conditions. It's not just climber, or even athletes who suffer from them. Recovery is slow and difficult; relapse is prevelent, and some people struggle their entire lifetime.
Shaming and debasing a person doesn't help in the matter. You cannot convince them to change the behavior. It's no different than telling an addict to
pull themselves up by their bootstraps and quit." It just doesn't work that way.
But, for anyone who thinks they may have a problem with the way they control their food intake, there is help, from others who have been there before and are going through it now. http://www.oa.org/ OA is NOT about just overweight/over-eating. There is information and help available.
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csproul
Jun 27, 2011, 8:06 PM
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caughtinside wrote: csproul wrote: kaizen wrote: shockabuku wrote: I was at the UBC comp in NY last week. One of the climbers was Sasha Digulian. Along with noting that she looks nearly malnourished, though still climbed extremely well, taking 2nd place to Angie Payne, it became apparent that Sasha is sponsored by Adidas. Incidentally her height and weight is posted on the Adidas web site http://www.adidas-rockstars.com/...ten/sasha-digiulian/ as 157 cm (5'2"), 43 kg (95 lbs). So I put those numbers in a BMI calculator and out comes the following statement: Based on the height and weight entered, the BMI is 17.4 , placing the BMI-for-age at the 3rd percentile for girls aged 18 years 7 months. This teen is underweight and should be seen by a healthcare provider for further assessment to determine possible causes of underweight. Having two daughters who are also competitive climbers, it concerns me a little. Thoughts? If you do not know this girl personally, then mind your own business. So, you are only concerned about people you know personally? How compassionate! Do you regularly comment on the weight of women you don't know? how is that working out for you?
To me, the question seems perfectly legitimate given that it came from a person who has daughters that are involved in competition climbing. It might have been in poor taste to include specific names, sponsors, etc...but I still don't really see anything wrong with bringing it up for discussion.
And if you don't want people discussing your height and weight, don't publish it on a public website!
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csproul wrote: caughtinside wrote: csproul wrote: kaizen wrote: shockabuku wrote: I was at the UBC comp in NY last week. One of the climbers was Sasha Digulian. Along with noting that she looks nearly malnourished, though still climbed extremely well, taking 2nd place to Angie Payne, it became apparent that Sasha is sponsored by Adidas. Incidentally her height and weight is posted on the Adidas web site http://www.adidas-rockstars.com/...ten/sasha-digiulian/ as 157 cm (5'2"), 43 kg (95 lbs). So I put those numbers in a BMI calculator and out comes the following statement: Based on the height and weight entered, the BMI is 17.4 , placing the BMI-for-age at the 3rd percentile for girls aged 18 years 7 months. This teen is underweight and should be seen by a healthcare provider for further assessment to determine possible causes of underweight. Having two daughters who are also competitive climbers, it concerns me a little. Thoughts? If you do not know this girl personally, then mind your own business. So, you are only concerned about people you know personally? How compassionate! Do you regularly comment on the weight of women you don't know? how is that working out for you? People do it all the time. I've done it. I'd wager that you've done it. How many times have commented to your buddies about the fat person climbing next to you? Or been watching gymnastics on the Olympics (come on, admit it, you watch) and wondered if being that thin is really healthy? To me, the question seems perfectly legitimate given that it came from a person who has daughters that are involved in competition climbing. It might have been in poor taste to include specific names, sponsors, etc...but I still don't really see anything wrong with bringing it up for discussion. And if you don't want people discussing your height and weight, don't publish it on a public website!
Do you tell people they should eat more or less? Do you tell people they are unhealthy? Seems a little too hollywood culture voyeuristic to me.
People's bodies are weird. Some people are just rail thin by nature. Add the fact that they are an elite athlete and I can't say I am surprised by the fact that they are an outlier on some generic internet BMI table.
I met this chick a couple summers ago, she was rail thin and looked extra thin because she had the longest limbs I've ever seen. I did ask her what her ape index was and it was +6. So I guess I"m guilty. I didn't give her my clif bar though.
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kaizen
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csproul wrote: kaizen wrote: shockabuku wrote: I was at the UBC comp in NY last week. One of the climbers was Sasha Digulian. Along with noting that she looks nearly malnourished, though still climbed extremely well, taking 2nd place to Angie Payne, it became apparent that Sasha is sponsored by Adidas. Incidentally her height and weight is posted on the Adidas web site http://www.adidas-rockstars.com/...ten/sasha-digiulian/ as 157 cm (5'2"), 43 kg (95 lbs). So I put those numbers in a BMI calculator and out comes the following statement: Based on the height and weight entered, the BMI is 17.4 , placing the BMI-for-age at the 3rd percentile for girls aged 18 years 7 months. This teen is underweight and should be seen by a healthcare provider for further assessment to determine possible causes of underweight. Having two daughters who are also competitive climbers, it concerns me a little. Thoughts? If you do not know this girl personally, then mind your own business. So, you are only concerned about people you know personally? How compassionate!
Yes, clearly the OP's post was made out of blind compassion to help out a stranger. And what better way to show that compassion than to start rumors about that specific individual on a public internet forum? 
There is no way you are this dumb in real life.
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csproul
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caughtinside wrote: csproul wrote: caughtinside wrote: csproul wrote: kaizen wrote: shockabuku wrote: I was at the UBC comp in NY last week. One of the climbers was Sasha Digulian. Along with noting that she looks nearly malnourished, though still climbed extremely well, taking 2nd place to Angie Payne, it became apparent that Sasha is sponsored by Adidas. Incidentally her height and weight is posted on the Adidas web site http://www.adidas-rockstars.com/...ten/sasha-digiulian/ as 157 cm (5'2"), 43 kg (95 lbs). So I put those numbers in a BMI calculator and out comes the following statement: Based on the height and weight entered, the BMI is 17.4 , placing the BMI-for-age at the 3rd percentile for girls aged 18 years 7 months. This teen is underweight and should be seen by a healthcare provider for further assessment to determine possible causes of underweight. Having two daughters who are also competitive climbers, it concerns me a little. Thoughts? If you do not know this girl personally, then mind your own business. So, you are only concerned about people you know personally? How compassionate! Do you regularly comment on the weight of women you don't know? how is that working out for you? People do it all the time. I've done it. I'd wager that you've done it. How many times have commented to your buddies about the fat person climbing next to you? Or been watching gymnastics on the Olympics (come on, admit it, you watch) and wondered if being that thin is really healthy? To me, the question seems perfectly legitimate given that it came from a person who has daughters that are involved in competition climbing. It might have been in poor taste to include specific names, sponsors, etc...but I still don't really see anything wrong with bringing it up for discussion. And if you don't want people discussing your height and weight, don't publish it on a public website! Do you tell people they should eat more or less? Do you tell people they are unhealthy? Seems a little too hollywood culture voyeuristic to me. People's bodies are weird. Some people are just rail thin by nature. Add the fact that they are an elite athlete and I can't say I am surprised by the fact that they are an outlier on some generic internet BMI table. I met this chick a couple summers ago, she was rail thin and looked extra thin because she had the longest limbs I've ever seen. I did ask her what her ape index was and it was +6. So I guess I"m guilty. I didn't give her my clif bar though.
I agree with you that BMI charts are fairly generic and probably don't accurately reflect the health of elite athletes.
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csproul wrote: caughtinside wrote: csproul wrote: caughtinside wrote: csproul wrote: kaizen wrote: shockabuku wrote: I was at the UBC comp in NY last week. One of the climbers was Sasha Digulian. Along with noting that she looks nearly malnourished, though still climbed extremely well, taking 2nd place to Angie Payne, it became apparent that Sasha is sponsored by Adidas. Incidentally her height and weight is posted on the Adidas web site http://www.adidas-rockstars.com/...ten/sasha-digiulian/ as 157 cm (5'2"), 43 kg (95 lbs). So I put those numbers in a BMI calculator and out comes the following statement: Based on the height and weight entered, the BMI is 17.4 , placing the BMI-for-age at the 3rd percentile for girls aged 18 years 7 months. This teen is underweight and should be seen by a healthcare provider for further assessment to determine possible causes of underweight. Having two daughters who are also competitive climbers, it concerns me a little. Thoughts? If you do not know this girl personally, then mind your own business. So, you are only concerned about people you know personally? How compassionate! Do you regularly comment on the weight of women you don't know? how is that working out for you? People do it all the time. I've done it. I'd wager that you've done it. How many times have commented to your buddies about the fat person climbing next to you? Or been watching gymnastics on the Olympics (come on, admit it, you watch) and wondered if being that thin is really healthy? To me, the question seems perfectly legitimate given that it came from a person who has daughters that are involved in competition climbing. It might have been in poor taste to include specific names, sponsors, etc...but I still don't really see anything wrong with bringing it up for discussion. And if you don't want people discussing your height and weight, don't publish it on a public website! Do you tell people they should eat more or less? Do you tell people they are unhealthy? Seems a little too hollywood culture voyeuristic to me. People's bodies are weird. Some people are just rail thin by nature. Add the fact that they are an elite athlete and I can't say I am surprised by the fact that they are an outlier on some generic internet BMI table. I met this chick a couple summers ago, she was rail thin and looked extra thin because she had the longest limbs I've ever seen. I did ask her what her ape index was and it was +6. So I guess I"m guilty. I didn't give her my clif bar though. Like I said, bringing up a specific name might be in poor taste. But I don't see anything wrong with a father of girls involved in competition climbing wondering where to draw the line. After all, this may be something he has to deal with as a father at some point. I agree with you that BMI charts are fairly generic and probably don't accurately reflect the health of elite athletes.
I don't see anything wrong with his caring about his own girls, and ensuring they stay healthy. He knows them and would know if a low weight were out of the ordinary for them.
The thing I reacted negatively to was taking another girl putting her name on the internet and naming her unhealthy based on a bmi calculator's information, with no knowledge of her past health history. If he was truly concerned about her, perhaps it would be in better taste to attempt to contact her privately and express concerns there.
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erisspirit wrote: csproul wrote: caughtinside wrote: csproul wrote: caughtinside wrote: csproul wrote: kaizen wrote: shockabuku wrote: I was at the UBC comp in NY last week. One of the climbers was Sasha Digulian. Along with noting that she looks nearly malnourished, though still climbed extremely well, taking 2nd place to Angie Payne, it became apparent that Sasha is sponsored by Adidas. Incidentally her height and weight is posted on the Adidas web site http://www.adidas-rockstars.com/...ten/sasha-digiulian/ as 157 cm (5'2"), 43 kg (95 lbs). So I put those numbers in a BMI calculator and out comes the following statement: Based on the height and weight entered, the BMI is 17.4 , placing the BMI-for-age at the 3rd percentile for girls aged 18 years 7 months. This teen is underweight and should be seen by a healthcare provider for further assessment to determine possible causes of underweight. Having two daughters who are also competitive climbers, it concerns me a little. Thoughts? If you do not know this girl personally, then mind your own business. So, you are only concerned about people you know personally? How compassionate! Do you regularly comment on the weight of women you don't know? how is that working out for you? People do it all the time. I've done it. I'd wager that you've done it. How many times have commented to your buddies about the fat person climbing next to you? Or been watching gymnastics on the Olympics (come on, admit it, you watch) and wondered if being that thin is really healthy? To me, the question seems perfectly legitimate given that it came from a person who has daughters that are involved in competition climbing. It might have been in poor taste to include specific names, sponsors, etc...but I still don't really see anything wrong with bringing it up for discussion. And if you don't want people discussing your height and weight, don't publish it on a public website! Do you tell people they should eat more or less? Do you tell people they are unhealthy? Seems a little too hollywood culture voyeuristic to me. People's bodies are weird. Some people are just rail thin by nature. Add the fact that they are an elite athlete and I can't say I am surprised by the fact that they are an outlier on some generic internet BMI table. I met this chick a couple summers ago, she was rail thin and looked extra thin because she had the longest limbs I've ever seen. I did ask her what her ape index was and it was +6. So I guess I"m guilty. I didn't give her my clif bar though. Like I said, bringing up a specific name might be in poor taste. But I don't see anything wrong with a father of girls involved in competition climbing wondering where to draw the line. After all, this may be something he has to deal with as a father at some point. I agree with you that BMI charts are fairly generic and probably don't accurately reflect the health of elite athletes. I don't see anything wrong with his caring about his own girls, and ensuring they stay healthy. He knows them and would know if a low weight were out of the ordinary for them. The thing I reacted negatively to was taking another girl putting her name on the internet and naming her unhealthy based on a bmi calculator's information, with no knowledge of her past health history. If he was truly concerned about her, perhaps it would be in better taste to attempt to contact her privately and express concerns there.
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Since she climbs at the same gym I climb at, if I see her tonight, should I tell her to check out this thread? 
Lots of climbers (both boys/girls, men/women) look too skinny, but then again, lots of (American) football players look too fat, too.
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I don't think the OP post was creepy or out-of-line.
It's a legitimate question/concern.
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kaizen wrote: csproul wrote: kaizen wrote: shockabuku wrote: I was at the UBC comp in NY last week. One of the climbers was Sasha Digulian. Along with noting that she looks nearly malnourished, though still climbed extremely well, taking 2nd place to Angie Payne, it became apparent that Sasha is sponsored by Adidas. Incidentally her height and weight is posted on the Adidas web site http://www.adidas-rockstars.com/...ten/sasha-digiulian/ as 157 cm (5'2"), 43 kg (95 lbs). So I put those numbers in a BMI calculator and out comes the following statement: Based on the height and weight entered, the BMI is 17.4 , placing the BMI-for-age at the 3rd percentile for girls aged 18 years 7 months. This teen is underweight and should be seen by a healthcare provider for further assessment to determine possible causes of underweight. Having two daughters who are also competitive climbers, it concerns me a little. Thoughts? If you do not know this girl personally, then mind your own business. So, you are only concerned about people you know personally? How compassionate! Yes, clearly the OP's post was made out of blind compassion to help out a stranger. And what better way to show that compassion than to start rumors about that specific individual on a public internet forum? There is no way you are this dumb in real life.
If you had daughters that were involved in a sport that might put them at risk for developing an eating disorder, wouldn't you want to discuss the subject?
Maybe you have another take on the OP's intent?
There's no way you're this much of a dick in real life.
edit: I was going to edit this to remove the needless insult in the end of my post, but thought that would be a little cowardly. So, I'll leave it in for all to see my lameness, and just apologize and say that I should not have said that. It added nothing to the thread.
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Sometimes it does seem to me that to be the best at a sport athletes may be hurting their general health. I am not saying that this particular woman is one of those people. But I think it is a legitimate concern. And I guess the question I would ask... is the top worth it? We make the same kind of decisions outside all the time. The consequences and rewards are different but essentially do I keep pushing or not? If I do I could be injured but maybe it is worth it anyway.
Personally I would never want to make the sacrifices that the best people in any given sport make to get to where they get. I would rather enjoy the sport at a lower level and feel more healthy for other activities as well. But I have never had that real competitive drive that some do and for some I am sure it is completely worth whatever sacrifice it takes to be the best.
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Well, look at body builders or some of the guys in the NFL, plug their numbers in for a BMI and they'd be considered un-healthy but they're buff and toned, lean, so its not looked at as an issue as an extremely skinny climber.
There are many great climbers who fit the more "normal" height/weight ratio and you shouldnt be concerned with your daughters needing to drop 30lbs to be relevant if they intend to compete.
You might at one point delve into what works best for your/their style of climbing however. Strength if youre more of a power climber, or very thin so you have less weight to haul up the wall. Do thinner climbers sacrifice power for technique? Do climbers with more muscle power through with more ease? Thats all up to debate i guess, but I've seen extremely thin and normal climbers scurry up the same climbs and power through the same crux's so i guess it depends on what you feel is better for you and your body type, let your daughters decide whats is best and most healthy for them ya know, its their climb, right?
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rtwilli4
Jun 28, 2011, 12:26 AM
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Some of you are really worthless. This guy has genuine concern for his girls and you're all accusing him of being a creep. So he used an attractive 18y/o female climber as an example... I'm willing to bet that at least a few of you own "The women of climbing" calendar, or have at least looked through it.
Shock, you have a real reason to be concerned. Eating disorders are rampant in the US and there are a lot more people out there with problems that you might think. I am not suggesting in any way that the climber you are using as an example has a disorder, but we all know that there are cases in the competition climbing scene.
If you excel at any sport, you will be approached by someone who is interested in taking their training to the extreme. Depending on the sport, that usually means either cutting weight or doing performance enhancing drugs. It seems that climbers have decided that the drugs that many other athletes use either won't help, or aren't worth the legal and health risks. I do think, however, that most climbers are conscious of their weight, which makes it inevitable that every once in a while a top climber will go to far and loose too much.
I'm beginning to ramble, but you get my point.
If your girls compete for long enough, they will meet a fellow climber that has taken the weight thing too far. It's bound to happen. And if it doesn't happen in climbing it will happen elsewhere.
You should educate your kids and make sure that they understand the difference between watching what they eat and not eating at all. Explain to them that climbing is a vehicle for fitness, and it should not cause someone to develop unhealthy habits.
Eating disorders are nasty and once developed will be with the person for life. Read up, because it's unrealistic to think that you won't have to worry about it.
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Atagrob
Jun 28, 2011, 10:59 AM
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The OP never said anything negative about the girl in question. He looked up her stats and plugged them into a calculator. The calculator spit out a generic answer with no adjustment.
I own a CrossFit gym and work with women and weight issues all the time. If you daughters are climbing competitively they should have some muscle and strength. Use body fat to determine health. Healthy athletic women should have 12 to 20% body fat.
So long as they are above 12% they should be fine. Teach them to use body fat not the scale to check how they are doing.
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