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far_east_climber
Mar 5, 2005, 1:31 AM
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Frickin' heck, what is that prissy fluff on top of the 'Considered Boot'? Ugly, all of them. Hopefully this line is never truly considered, and if it is, I hope it goes away. The rubber on shoes are awful... I sure don't want a rounded toe on my shoe when edging. Hopefully they will read this thread.
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maculated
Mar 5, 2005, 1:32 AM
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Woooh, bust did indeed "loose."
Any how . . . ahem. Nike did indeed make rock shoes back 20/30 years ago. My understanding was that they were not very good compared to the EBs, which became the shoe of choice for many years until climbing got popular and could support the market.
That said, yup, i do agree that that is a stupid, stupid shoe. I do like that they are attempting to be sustainable, but come now.
I used to work in a roundabout manner for Nike ACG right when the CinderCone came out. The soles on those shoes were awful. They've improved with time. Nike does not have a good track record with researching the market. When I was working for them, my boss suggested I check out their climbing shorts - with built-in chalk bag!
Don't freak out about Nike, folks - look closely at those grassroots companies that you support and see if they are much different. If they are, kudos. Most at some point or another are not. It is commendable that you make educated choices about the impacts of corporations on your world, but make sure you know the whole story.
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maculated
Mar 5, 2005, 1:34 AM
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In reply to: I think it's the new bowling shoe. A coworker of mine with no interest in climbing whatsoever wore a pair of shoes the other day that looked vaguely like EB's...with laces to the toes and smooth molded rands all the way around.
Very astute, Wallress. When I was at the OR show last year, they had companies making what I thought were climbing shoes, but on closer look - nope! Just making shoes that LOOKED like rock shoes. I suspect they'll be more popular this spring if their displays at the OR show did its job.
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shorty
Mar 5, 2005, 1:37 AM
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In reply to: ...the better it is for those of us that actually participate, rather than 'send s--- hard in the gym doode' and surf the internet all day.
Do you realize how hard it is to clean snorted Pepsi off a computer screen? God, my sinuses hurt. (Unfortunately, I have no trophies to award today.)
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neurostar
Mar 5, 2005, 2:06 AM
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In reply to: I don’t understand why people are so scared for things they use to be trendy?
Gets one's hopes up when you see a bangin' chick wearing a TNF Denali jacket?
"Is she a climber?!?!" *drools*
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bipom89
Mar 5, 2005, 2:12 AM
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WTV, climbing "fashion" appeared in Maxim a couple of months ago, mass market companies are getting on the bandwagon
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rockbiter
Mar 5, 2005, 2:55 AM
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In reply to: In reply to: HOW BOUT NOOO i know that nike already makes one or two approach shoe models, but id rather they not market them to the public. soccer moms dont need sticky rubber shoes to drive a minivan. i realize no one can tell nike not to make these, but id rather not have multi billion dollar corporations making climbing shoes, they should be made by climbers. I agree with you in that climbing products should be made by climbers. No, these shoes shouldnt hit the mass market, but if they did, i think i would laugh...i wonder if we can get everyone, including those soccer moms, to start wearing harnesses just for fashion? :idea: Hell, if your going to wear the shoes... :roll:
To be honest, all, who really cares if they become a mass market item. these same soccer moms that wear this shoe probably wont be crowding the craggs or gym any time soon. If people want to dress like climbers let them. All ya'll are so freakin concerned about the exclusivity of our sport. Did you start climbing because no one else did? I know I climb because I enjoy it, not because its "not in vogue"
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petsfed
Mar 5, 2005, 3:07 AM
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In reply to: if nikes out there listening, id like to say one thing: HOW BOUT NOOO if nike started making approach style shoes like that and marketed them to the public, we could have something similar to the tnf denali fad. i know that nike already makes one or two approach shoe models, but id rather they not market them to the public. soccer moms dont need sticky rubber shoes to drive a minivan. i realize no one can tell nike not to make these, but id rather not have multi billion dollar corporations making climbing shoes, they should be made by climbers.
Anybody remember when Reebok made a pair of climbing shoes. Some of the best climbers I know still swear by them. Reason they failed? Because not many wanted to admit that a gigantic business could possibly make a better shoe than 3 guys in a garage. Quality is quality no matter where it comes from.
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rockguy
Mar 5, 2005, 3:40 AM
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I do have to sort of agree with the busting loose by bustloose. We do tend to have a mentality of exclusiveness with regards to "outsiders" flooding our ranks en masse. At the same time however, some of this holier-than-thou mentality I believe is warranted considering that leave no trace ethics is a requisite at most climbing areas.
Now I don't mind if all the trendy hipsters (sorry, just saw the anti tobacco ad) sporting the latest digs from Nike, Prana, or whoever, increases the flux of new "climbers" heading to urban crags/gyms. But a trip to our wonderful backcountry requires more education, commitment, and especially appreciation, which I believe would be lacking from the trendy crowd. This is what I've always liked about the apprenticeship of having an experienced climber mentoring a new climber; the new climber would learn about climbing, but also about wilderness ethics and how to be a good steward of our environment. I believe the mass influx created by the trendiness of climbing would bypass all of the above.
Sorry about being so off topic. Be well all and happy climbing :D
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gunksgoer
Mar 5, 2005, 4:59 AM
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double post :?
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gunksgoer
Mar 5, 2005, 5:00 AM
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In reply to: In reply to: if nikes out there listening, id like to say one thing: HOW BOUT NOOO if nike started making approach style shoes like that and marketed them to the public, we could have something similar to the tnf denali fad. i know that nike already makes one or two approach shoe models, but id rather they not market them to the public. soccer moms dont need sticky rubber shoes to drive a minivan. i realize no one can tell nike not to make these, but id rather not have multi billion dollar corporations making climbing shoes, they should be made by climbers. Anybody remember when Reebok made a pair of climbing shoes. Some of the best climbers I know still swear by them. Reason they failed? Because not many wanted to admit that a gigantic business could possibly make a better shoe than 3 guys in a garage. Quality is quality no matter where it comes from.
would you really like to see climber run businesses get stamped out by huge companies like nike and reebok? sure, their products could end up being just as good, but would you really want the sport run by companies like that? id gladly pay a bit more dough and have fiveten blackdiamond and petzl stick around and keep the sport the way it is. with larger companies involved, the sport would definatly change, and i like it how it currently is. this is just my opinion, to each his own.
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reach
Mar 5, 2005, 5:12 AM
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that's it, I quit!
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anykineclimb
Mar 5, 2005, 5:15 AM
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I used to have a pair of nike approach shoes and later found them to be TOTAL knockoffs of fivetennies.
I'll have to agree some of their stuff has gotten better. Actually saw a pretty sweet approach shoe a few years ago with a double lacing system-nice.
Shoes "inspired" by other sports have gotten real trendy and Puma is leading that charge. Martial arts, wrestling climbing, even race car driving shoes. I think most of these companies are making too much on basketball shoes to even care about a little demographic like climbers. Sure they make some approach shoes but I doubt they be making actual climbing shoes.
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petsfed
Mar 5, 2005, 5:44 AM
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In reply to: In reply to: In reply to: if nikes out there listening, id like to say one thing: HOW BOUT NOOO if nike started making approach style shoes like that and marketed them to the public, we could have something similar to the tnf denali fad. i know that nike already makes one or two approach shoe models, but id rather they not market them to the public. soccer moms dont need sticky rubber shoes to drive a minivan. i realize no one can tell nike not to make these, but id rather not have multi billion dollar corporations making climbing shoes, they should be made by climbers. Anybody remember when Reebok made a pair of climbing shoes. Some of the best climbers I know still swear by them. Reason they failed? Because not many wanted to admit that a gigantic business could possibly make a better shoe than 3 guys in a garage. Quality is quality no matter where it comes from. would you really like to see climber run businesses get stamped out by huge companies like nike and reebok? sure, their products could end up being just as good, but would you really want the sport run by companies like that? id gladly pay a bit more dough and have fiveten blackdiamond and petzl stick around and keep the sport the way it is. with larger companies involved, the sport would definatly change, and i like it how it currently is. this is just my opinion, to each his own.
You sound like a music snob. The best cd ever produced could be released tomorrow, but if it got pumped out by Nickelback, it would be sent up as garbage from corporate music. See the problem? Compare two products simply as products. If they're equivalent, then start thinking about the politics involved.
The trick is that plenty of climbers buy gear from companies that really ARE like that. Columbia? North Face? The climber owned vs. corporate owned differentiation is just one more step of elitism. I'm not saying the ends justify the means (eg Microsoft), but if your primary motivation for your shoe choice is political like that, you're kinda pompous.
Moreover, Reebok and Nike will still employ climbers to build these shoes. You can't design a shoe by comittee. If anything, climbing shoe design is held back by the fact that we don't have focused engineering minds working on shoe problems. We have a few geniuses, and a lot of technicians. The reason the Reebok shoe was so good is that they got a lot of good minds together to build it. It was a shoe made by climbers, for climbers, with considerable budget behind it. And it flopped because we were afraid of corporate america.
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crag_shwagger
Mar 5, 2005, 5:51 PM
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Guys, this shoe is not meant for climbing just an enviromentally friendly line of shoes...vegetable tanning, hemp laces etc... wow what an over reaction.
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petsfed
Mar 5, 2005, 6:30 PM
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In reply to: Guys, this shoe is not meant for climbing just an enviromentally friendly line of shoes...vegetable tanning, hemp laces etc... wow what an over reaction.
Its called a "threadjack"
We left the original topic several dozen hours ago.
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sumo
Mar 6, 2005, 4:34 AM
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In reply to: Shoes "inspired" by other sports have gotten real trendy and Puma is leading that charge.
hmm... As for as their driving shoes go I wouldn't call them trendy
Look at the number of F1, rally, professional racing teams that use puma driving shoes. Fire retardant and oil resistant plus an all around great shoe.
In reply to: We left the original topic several dozen hours ago.
I'm not helping :oops:
Just gotta back puma up
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climbsomething
Mar 6, 2005, 5:39 AM
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Oooh, the weekly DURRRRRRRRRRRR thread!
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nonick
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I've had a terrible experience with Nike ACG. We hike in pretty hot and humid conditions here. I was gifted a pair of NIKE ACG's that lasted me precisely for one 3 day hike. The shoe peeled off soon. Wore it for some time more...I guess for me Nike will always be a lifestyle shoe.
But heck..whats wrong if non climbing people wear climbing shoe lookalikes?
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bustloose
Mar 6, 2005, 7:31 PM
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In reply to: Oooh, the weekly DURRRRRRRRRRRR thread!
just curious, but do you ever actually contribute anything usefull or helpfull to this site? or do you just hang around and wait till you can make an almost funny holier than thou post...?
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brianinslc
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In reply to: I have a pair of Nike Switchblade approach shoes, they are great....
Ditto. Used mine last summer in Toulumne. Had not done the downclimb off Stately Pleasure, but, in the Switchblade no problemo. Also climbed a 5.7 route in them, easy money.
Not something I'd care to hike 20 miles in, but, great for cragging.
Also have had great luck with the Nike AirRaid. Durable little bugger. Have a bunch of canyoneering days on 'em, and they're still going strong, even though the sole is starting to wear through. Sticky enough.
Outlet stores...nice....I see Teewinot II's on sale for around 50 bucks right now. Sweet.
Brian in SLC
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In reply to: just curious, but do you ever actually contribute anything usefull or helpfull to this site? or do you just hang around and wait till you can make an almost funny holier than thou post...?
Bustloose,
I hate you and people like you. You make me sick. I think holier than thou hypocrites like you should curl up and die.
die die die
Peace
Junk
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Mar 14, 2005, 9:14 AM
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I'm not to sure about them, they don't look like they would be usefull for anything, doesn't look sturdy enough for approach shoe and diff not a real climbing shoe! Must be something you wear down at the mall or shoping in Ikea.
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curtis_g
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I highly despise the Nike corperation.
This just adds to my list of reasons.
It's great that climbing is getting popular, or maybe, rather it's just getting stylish.
There's nothing to worry about: even if the soccer moms start wearing harnesses for fun, the computer geeks decide to chalk up before their next counter-strike match, and nike mass-markets 'climbing shoes' to all the jr. high kids...we will still now who we are. You can look at our pumped forearms and trashed fingers and hands and the fact that weekend don't usually find us at home and you can say "yea, he's a climber too"...even tho we're not wearing our metalious baseball caps and nike 'climbing shoes'.
can i get an 'AMEN'? in PM form?
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