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texasclimber
Jul 2, 2002, 1:02 PM
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We have a pooch problem at Reimer's Ranch in Austin, Texas. It's like the movie "All Dogs Go To Heaven" there! But that isnt the problem. The problem is that most of the dogs are OFF leash. This causes a problem when a new dog stroles up and the German Shepard, that has been there for an hour already, see that he now has to share his space. They bark, they fight, they piss everyone off! I think that bringing your dog can be fun and it's a chance for the pooch to get outside and enjoy the same aspects of nature that us humans enjoy...just bring a freakin' leash for him!
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cass
Jul 2, 2002, 1:09 PM
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see also Previous topic
(which has been locked)
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doosh
Jul 2, 2002, 1:11 PM
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And if you could teach a sheep to belay, all your problems would be solved, eh ?
Dogs at crags = bad.
Unless they are good dogs.
There IS a difference...
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melonhead
Jul 2, 2002, 1:18 PM
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Ya, no dogs at the crag!!
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daisuke
Jul 2, 2002, 1:23 PM
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yeah and then you get off the climb and step in their sheit with your brand new climbing shoes and it gets all over the leather and you have to wash them and then you can't weart them till they're dry...
keep dogs at home!
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pumpkin_man
Jul 2, 2002, 1:28 PM
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i am totally agree with you above.
what i thought is:
people should meditate that
can they responsible to the dog
and to preserve the environment
before they go to those places
with their joy.
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jammer
Jul 2, 2002, 1:35 PM
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A dog may be your best friend, but it can't climb. I have a golden retreiver who goes with me just about everywhere, except to the crags. When I'm training at my local bouldering area, he is more then welcome to come, but at the local climbing area, he stays home. There is nothing worst then unknowingly stepping in dog s--- and trying to climb. Talk about a slip up! Lets face it ... dogs can't climb, belay, give any beta and so on ... so why bring them?
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sarhawp
Jul 2, 2002, 1:37 PM
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I see no problem with bringing your pup to the crag as long as it is well mannered (no barking or biting or no stepping on ropes etc), well taken care of and cleaned up after, and well controlled (ie. on a leash). I have been to sights with pups that are well behaved and I think it is a delight to have them there.
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howitzer
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IMHO Most dogs (that a climber would have) are outdoor pets - keeping a pet locked indoors all day is a terrible thing to do -they need fun and exercise like the rest of us. I have a husky who goes just about everywhere with me - why can't I leave her at home? Because she's my pal and a joy to have around! She is never off leash, she poo-poo's before we go so that's no problem (I'd pick it up if she did go in the woods, and she is well-behaved - staying right by the belayer. If she was a biter or mean I wouldn't bring her. But what's the problem with me having my dog at the crag if she is not being a bad pet? (I'm talking about toproping or bouldering - don't bring a dog if you're doing a multi-pitch, leaving a dog at the bottom of a climb is more cruel than leaving the poor thing inside all day) If you don't like dogs find somewhere else to climb other than right next to me, it's that simple.
With all the dog restrictions we dog-owners have to deal with in the cities (no dogs at beaches, no dogs excercised in places other than dog parks etc. etc.), I think that if it's a good dog and a safe place to bring them - the crag should be no problem.
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woodse
Jul 2, 2002, 2:26 PM
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Handjammer
So your dog is able to boulder? Oh yeah and dogs don't take shits at the bouldering area right? Your post is pretty damn hippocritical if you ask me!
Dogs were wild animals before we tamed them, they deserve to roam where you roam. Think about all the wildlife YOU disturb on a daily basis doing simple things such as driving your car. Dogs may distract you when you are climbing but I can tell you for a fact that people are the biggest distraction at the crags not the dogs...after all most of them hoop and holler more than most dogs bark and I've stepped in trash from humans a million more times than some dog shit. Everyone needs to look at the bigger picture, the world was not put here for enjoyment solely so quit trying to act like it. Next people will be talking about getting rid of "those damn birds" all they do is squawk and s--- all over the place, and the f$%kers are building nests all over the rock! Where you see me, you'll see my dog!
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jonoj
Jul 2, 2002, 2:27 PM
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At certain crags in SA, where muggings and armed robberies have been known to occur, it would be wise to have a big-assed hound around to scare off the would-be-thieves.
One of our top climbing spots, Waterval Boven has become quite the hangout for muggers. They will stop at nothing to get your gear so that they can sell it.
In situations like this, I think it should be acceptable to have land bound protection in the form of huge teeth!
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duracellbunny
Jul 2, 2002, 2:27 PM
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I agree with all of you guys, specially with texasclimber, at Barton Creek Greenbelt we have the same problem with dogs. I think that it isn't dogs' fault, it's owener's fault.
I don't have anything against dogs, but some time they can be annoyance.
Climb safe and hard!!!!
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woodse
Jul 2, 2002, 2:38 PM
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oozing....
As do we!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
woodsE
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cedk
Jul 2, 2002, 2:43 PM
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If people don't object to domesticated animals at the crag I've decided to start riding in on horseback. I'll also get a mule to pack all my gear.
Long approaches no longer a problem.
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Woodse-I am just like you. I bring my dog just about everywhere and my dog, like yours, is not any problem at the crag but in reality 90% of dogs at the crag are a pain in the ass. And it is usually the owners fault. If I am either belaying or climbing I tie my dog up away from everybody else so that she won't bother them even though she usually just lays in the dirt and goes to sleep anyway. I do this so nobody will be bothered by her. But I have seen people come to the crag with 3-4 giant dogs running free and annoying everybody, stealing lunches, attacking other dogs. And the people who brought them are in the middle of climbing and/or belaying so they can't control their dogs. So unless your dog is Lassie and obeys your every command or your dog spends most its life in a deep coma like sleep don't bring it to the crag.
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Jul 2, 2002, 3:07 PM
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I get really tired of people being so intolerant of other people and the way they live.
A few points....
If your crag has a no dog policy, respect it.
But if not, then I have as much a right to bring my dog as you do to climb there in the first place.
I agree that you need to be responsible for your pet, and control it, and if you can't, you should leave it at home. And if you notice someone that isn't doing this, say something to them.
But I take my dog climbing all the time, and she is very well behaved (because I took the time to train her in the first place).
What it comes down to is having respect for the place you climb, and the other people there. Which means both having respect for those that want to bring their dogs, and for those that wish you wouldn't bring your dogs.
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I have to agree with Dan, I spent a week at Red Rocks with Mike Strassman and he had his dog with us every day. She was well mannered, well trained and was a joy to have around. No barking, running, chasing animals and was not a problem at all. Mike had her well trained. On the other hand I have seen dogs that run around, barking, growling at everyone, getting in the way and are a general nuisance. If your dog can't be controlled don't bring it to the crags and if you do bring it, clean up after it.
Climb On
* And if they have a rule about "No Dogs", follow it!
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Jul 2, 2002, 3:34 PM
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Well said dan and woods! I agree that some dogs are a nuisance, and that is indeed the owners fault, not the dog - but people can be a nuisance too! Uncontrollable dogs and areas not allowing dogs? then don't bring them! That's the bottom line. Fact is most crags will begin to develop no dog policies in the near future - every place else seems to be, and dogs will have to become an indoor animal because so many people complain... dogs are hunters by nature, so yes they 'annoy' the other wildlife - it's called the food chain and biology, it's part of life. Then again pretty soon more and more crags will be closed to those 'pesky climbers' who ruin the rock and stink up the place - or so the land owners claim... Every argument has a side
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doosh
Jul 2, 2002, 3:55 PM
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Every dog owner's side is:
DOGS AT CRAGS SUCK, except my dog.
Face it, even if your dogger IS in a coma, you are part of the problem...
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howitzer
Jul 2, 2002, 4:08 PM
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DOOSH AT THE CRAGS SUCKS - except if you ask him.
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cedk
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Also remember that if I step in dog s--- at the crag and you have a dog with you, I'm going to assume it was from your dog and clean my shoes on your fleece jacket when you're not looking.
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Woodse ... Bite Me! If being, as you hippocritical, is your diffination of being conciderate, then thanks! Where I pratice bouldering is in an area where nobody else goes ... therefore, if the dog dumps, then he dumps. Where I climb is a different story. Before you slam someone, you should understand the message ... PM them ... it's not a way to make friends, Bubba
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doosh
Jul 2, 2002, 4:24 PM
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From the smell in the room, howitzer, it is apparent you have an aversion to doosh anywhere...
Seriously though, the worst part about dogs at the crug is that I continually have to be walking this big husky back over to the gumby wall...
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howitzer
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Check where that smell is coming from dooshwad, I think you confused me with you girlfriend for a minute. And don't you worry about my husky -- she's not at the boulders cuz I'm not, and she won't go near guys who commit beastiality.
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doosh
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I keep my girlfriend VERY clean, as you might imagine. I am her mamacat.
Thank god you don't boulder... the last thing we need is more people clogging up the v0s.
Tell us again how YOUR DOG doesn't contribute to the problems that dogs at crags create...
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