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j_ung
May 11, 2005, 8:15 PM
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In reply to: In reply to: OP, sorry for the sarcastic response to your answer seeking. If you're worried about the cam, contact BD and talk with them about it. None of us are as good a source as THE source of the gear. okay, you've redeemed yourself. now the op should send the cam to me. bwahahaha! (gosh, it is funny when you write it, isn't it?) Hahaha! I even laughed at that one.
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reno
May 11, 2005, 8:17 PM
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In reply to: and Ed, if you are advocating using gear that has been dropped onto rock from 60' you're an ass man. Or if you are trying to making it sound like my decision is dumb..your an even bigger ass. Huh huh..... he said "ass." Twice. Huh huh.
In reply to: Do some of you assholes realize that people who may not have the experience to judge the condition of a cam read this stuff...I guess I don't really need to worry about you though, ed..reckless behavior eventually cathces up with you..more likely your a poser trying to sound hard...get off it loser and give sound advice to people who need it... If a climber does not have the ability to look at any given item of gear and determine it's general climbworthiness, then I posit that that climber should not be in possession of said gear. Microfracture myth has been thoroughly dispelled, Wes. Nobody really believes in it anymore. 'Cept you, of course. To the OP: Look at the cam. Do you see any glaring breaks in the structural integrity? Holes where there were none before? Cracks in the lobes? Missing cable integrity? If it looks OK overall, then it most probably is. If you honestly have a fear of using the cam, then get rid of it and buy a replacement. I would think you could sell it, AS LONG AS you are honest about the fact that it was dropped. Hell, I'll pay you $35 for it.
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azrockclimber
May 11, 2005, 8:20 PM
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i love it when guys drop things in that attempt to give the illusion of a hard core climber...you guys are going to get somebody hurt someday...and if you don't think about it you should. If you drop a cam off a cliff...and you can buy a new one, that has really got to be the way to go. Is the integrity compromised...almost for sure. Is it worth the risk..for some poeple sometimes. I am certainly not going to give a difinitive answer to someone seeking advice on the situation. I just think that as smart as you all claim to be you really do give poorly thought out / dangerous answers to those who need to have their hands held.
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jdouble
May 11, 2005, 8:33 PM
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In reply to: If it looks OK overall, then it most probably is. Sorry J-ung, but just one more response. I think reno hit the nail on the head. "Most Probably". When staking you life on gear if 'most probably' works for you, use the cam. If not, don't.
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mackavus
May 11, 2005, 8:35 PM
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Once I smeared peanut butter on my balls and then ran naked through a cactus field just for something to do after work.
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livinonasandbar
May 11, 2005, 8:35 PM
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You know the expression, "Opinions are like ass holes (or belly buttons, if you prefer)... everyone has one"? It might be an idea to simply contact the manufacturer with such questions rather than endure pages of conflicting nonsense. At least the answer received might be of some value, in that liability tends to promote responsibility and forethought. Carry on...
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james_climber
May 11, 2005, 8:40 PM
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In reply to: yes, you should definitely retire it!! No questions. but don't forget, you need to dispose of retired climbing gear in the proper manner (much like batteries, in fact). Its actually very complicated and costly, so i am going to do you a huge favor-just send me the cam and i'll take care of it for you 8^) Damn you win i wanted to say the same advise of course just kiddin
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aikibujin
May 11, 2005, 8:40 PM
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In reply to: I am certainly not going to give a difinitive answer to someone seeking advice on the situation.
In reply to: Is the integrity compromised... almost for sure.
In reply to: If you drop a cam off a cliff...and you can buy a new one, that has really got to be the way to go.
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reno
May 11, 2005, 8:42 PM
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In reply to: i love it when guys drop things in that attempt to give the illusion of a hard core climber...you guys are going to get somebody hurt someday...and if you don't think about it you should. If you drop a cam off a cliff...and you can buy a new one, that has really got to be the way to go. Is the integrity compromised...almost for sure. Is it worth the risk..for some poeple sometimes. I am certainly not going to give a difinitive answer to someone seeking advice on the situation. I just think that as smart as you all claim to be you really do give poorly thought out / dangerous answers to those who need to have their hands held. You're really not very bright, are you?
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jdouble
May 11, 2005, 8:44 PM
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In reply to: Once I smeared peanut butter on my balls and then ran naked through a cactus field just for something to do after work. My vote for best response ever.
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cchildre
May 11, 2005, 8:54 PM
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How can anyone that criticizes the advice given in this form, citing that it is baseless and inaccurate and could put the person getting the advice in danger? WTF Don't get on these guys giving advice, get on the guys asking for advice if you think it is so dangerous. They are the ones asking, and they should know that no one here can really be trusted. Additionally, if they are asking these sort of questions here, they are more than likely already a danger to themselves. We might give out some sketchy advice here and there but who is the real fool here, us or the guys taking our advice. That said, I am not trying to bash on the OP here, I think the is a great place to get information, right or wrong, and get familar with the subject, then one can read and reach other more reliable sources than this armed with some knowledge and probably get more out of a solid source than if they came to the table with nothing. Just my opinion.
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jcpace
May 11, 2005, 8:57 PM
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It is obvious that you guys are in dire need of a solution...and of course, I feel the need to offer you guys the oppurtunity to drink deeply from my wealth of knowledge and wisdom. What you need to do is cut the cam in pieces, and distribute a piece to each person. Whoever objects to this the most is the rightful owner of the cam because they see the most value in the cam, and is more likely to trust its integrity as a functional protection device...otherwise, you can ship it to me. :mrgreen: btw...Has anyone seen my BD neutrino quickdraw?
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epic_ed
May 11, 2005, 8:58 PM
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Looks like I got back to this one a little too late to save Wes from embarassing himself. Wes, anyone who brings up "microfractures" is going to get laughed at. There are very good reasons not to use dropped gear. As several people have mentioned, those reasons should be obvious -- you can see a bent axle on a cam; you can feel the wobble and excessive lateral play of the cam lobes if there is damage; you can visually inspect and look for cracks or areas where part of the cam lobe has sheared off. But microfractures? Not unless you also believe in the boogie man and Santa Claus. I have no idea why you retired your cam, but if it had anything to do with "microfractures" then I'd love to add it to my collection -- and you are the one who implied that was the reason you no longer use it. Ed
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jcpace
May 11, 2005, 9:08 PM
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wow what happened? i guess that's what i get for being a weenie
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shakylegs
May 11, 2005, 9:13 PM
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Yeah, but you increased your post count by about 25%. That's pretty cool
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climberpunk
May 11, 2005, 9:28 PM
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In reply to: Looks like I got back to this one a little too late to save Wes from embarassing himself. Wes, anyone who brings up "microfractures" is going to get laughed at. There are very good reasons not to use dropped gear. As several people have mentioned, those reasons should be obvious -- you can see a bent axle on a cam; you can feel the wobble and excessive lateral play of the cam lobes if there is damage; you can visually inspect and look for cracks or areas where part of the cam lobe has sheared off. But microfractures? Not unless you also believe in the boogie man and Santa Claus. I second that. It is entirely possible, and indeed probable that the cam was damaged in the fall. But any structural damage that could cause the cam to fail under use WILL SHOW UP under a careful examination. That said, this is a hobby and a sport, something you do because you enjoy it not because you have to. If using the cam will make you shit yourself and fall and thus make your day less fun, then thats a totally good reason to give it to a friend [as]. But recognize that it is a comfort thing, and not a structural integrity thing- that has been repeatedly shown, the microfracture theory is a myth. If someone wants actual data to back that up PM me otherwise please flame-on. And grow the feck up guys.
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cracknut
May 11, 2005, 9:37 PM
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If you are really worried about it, or you don't feel you have the experience to judge for yourself, send it to the manufacurer and have them inspect it for you.
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justafurnaceman
May 11, 2005, 9:49 PM
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Just set the cam in a crack, hook your tow chain to it then to your bumper of your truck and then tug on it. If it breaks then it was bad, if not, Happy Climbing! :D
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