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sumo
Jun 5, 2005, 4:51 AM
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First off I have read almost every rack thread I could find
"new rack" "first rack" "basic rack"
and I have also searched for my individual questions
I have basic climbing stuff
sport package
and have recently started assembling a trad rack
I'm in college so money is a slight factor but not really...
so far I have ordered some
lockers not sure how many 5-7 ?
dynema SP slings 24" 12
1 48"
neutrinos a coulple dozen or, again don't remember
bd nuts 4-13
bd c4 .75, 1, 1, 2, 2, 3
cordalete
nut tool
I feel this is pretty solid and between my partner and I will get me up the stuff we climb
questions
from moose jaw I have enough points for a free cam .4, .5, .75 range
or a handful of nuts say 5 or 6
so since that is free I figure I might as well claim it but not really sure what else I need
as for my second question
I've heard mixed reviews about trano flex cams
I havn't personally used the newer ones
should I pick up a few of those?
if i don't pick up any trangos right now I will probably hold out for a BD sale
weaknesses I see are in the smaller sizes
alright thanks for the input
s
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phatcat
Jun 5, 2005, 5:56 AM
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In reply to: I'm in college so money is a slight factor but not really...
:wtf:
actually, i'm just jealous
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chemicalclimber
Jun 5, 2005, 6:06 AM
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In reply to: weaknesses I see are in the smaller sizes
I've got to completely disagree here. I love my small trangos. I'd prefer Aliens, but for the money, they rock.
Out of curiousity, what are your beefs with them?
-E
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sumo
Jun 5, 2005, 7:19 AM
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Edit
sorry what I was saying didn't come across clearly
I was talking about what I currently have
it lacks smaller sizes, well and larger sizes but thats not what I climb
and pointing out my weakness
aliens are nice
if I get any, I would get them in Oregon
OR= no sales tax
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As far as the money thing
I go to college, and have a pt job (but it includes pro deals)
trango flex cams = $20
c4= $mid thirties, on sale high twenties
make more sense now?
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chemicalclimber
Jun 5, 2005, 8:00 AM
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Yes, that makes much more sense. :lol:
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mrtristan
Jun 5, 2005, 3:13 PM
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Definitely go for the free Camalot. I love the smaller ones. They rock.
-Tristan
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gunksgoer
Jun 5, 2005, 4:24 PM
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Get the .4 and .5 camalot, they will see plenty of use. Also consider getting a 4 camalot and some more stoppers, and depending on where you climb, some hexes or tricams.
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stickyfingerz
Jun 5, 2005, 5:59 PM
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I'd recommend getting things that aren't going to be supplemented by your partner. For example: if you're climbing multi-pitch stuff, you'll probably want another cordelette/web-o-lette. If your partner already owns one, don't buy it.
Having said that, I started out climbing on Trango cams. For the price, they can't be beat. I bought a full set (at the time #'s 1-8) and also a #00 TCU which is smaller than the #1 Flex Cam. Since then, I've replaced the #'s 4-8 with BD Cams. (.5-3) I wouldn't get the .4, the double axel is of no advantage at that size, it just adds weight. The BD's do have a better expansion range and tend to walk less in the big sizes, 1-3. However, if your funds are limited, you might consider doubling up on the smaller sizes of stoppers first (4-8). You'll find that there's a lot more overlap between your nut selection and cam options at the smaller size range. You might also consider adding some of the smaller tricams to your rack as those suckers tend to fit in places that other things won't.
Whatever you do, have fun and be safe.
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esallen
Jun 9, 2005, 2:56 AM
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Sounds like a pretty good starter rack; I love my BD C4s!!! I had a set of tri-cams; they were light and fun to place, but they just don't last very long with heavy use. I sold mine off in the spring before they got any worse. If I were you, I'd stick to C4s and either metolius TCUs or CCH Aleins for the real small stuff.
Eric
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climboard
Jun 9, 2005, 3:01 AM
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Your next step is to cut off the tags, rack up, and put those shiny toys to use!
That is more than enough for a starter rack. Pick up a .5 Camalot or a red Alien since you have a free credit, it's a good size to have. Someone also mentioned a cordelette, it's good to have.
Get a few pitches under your belt and any holes in your rack will become apparent although I don't see any for a beginning trad leader.
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blueeyedclimber
Jun 9, 2005, 4:50 PM
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I see one glaring omission, bu tmaybe it's personal preference...
Tricams! I have the pink, red and blue, and I use them all the time.
Josh
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bostonclimbah
Jun 9, 2005, 5:14 PM
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Looks like a solid base. As others have said, I would consider the 3 smallest Tricams. They are an invaluable supplement to both cams and nuts. I carry a total of 6 (2 pink, 2 red, 1 brown, 1 blue) and I use them all.
Not sure what you climb but you could consider trading one of those #2 C4's for a .5. Again, it might not be applicable to where you climb. Around here (North East), I place my .5 way more than I ever use the #2.
Over time, you will want to add more nuts so you have a 1 1/2 - 2 sets but not necessarilly 2 of every size. In my case, I seem to have a lot of #7 & 8 stoppers and I use every one of them.
Before you go spending a bunch more $$$ though, get out there and climb (and of course REALLY learn to use your stuff). You'll know right away what need more / less of.
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climbinginchico
Jun 9, 2005, 7:53 PM
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I would definitely add more stuff in the smaller sizes. Aliens from at least yellow-red, orange will compliment your .75 C4. I have C4s from .5 to 3 and aliens from blue-orange. I love them all. I also carry the three smallest tricams (pink, red and brown, with doubles in the pink and red). I'd say you're off to a good start. Just go out and use it now.
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euroford
Jun 9, 2005, 9:10 PM
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you got the beginings of a very nice setup there!
now ya just need to take the tags off, lace up some mammut slings through those neutrino's and go climbing!
btw: what are the straight gates for? i would have just bought more wiregates.
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sbaclimber
Jun 9, 2005, 9:27 PM
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In reply to: Looks like a solid base. As others have said, I would consider the 3 smallest Tricams. They are an invaluable supplement to both cams and nuts. I carry a total of 6 (2 pink, 2 red, 1 brown, 1 blue) and I use them all. Not sure what you climb but you could consider trading one of those #2 C4's for a .5. Again, it might not be applicable to where you climb. Around here (North East), I place my .5 way more than I ever use the #2. Over time, you will want to add more nuts so you have a 1 1/2 - 2 sets but not necessarilly 2 of every size. In my case, I seem to have a lot of #7 & 8 stoppers and I use every one of them. Before you go spending a bunch more $$$ though, get out there and climb (and of course REALLY learn to use your stuff). You'll know right away what need more / less of.
I am going to jump on the #0.5 BD cam and tri-cams bandwagon. Both will be very useful, especially the pink tri-cam, though I tend to use all of them (up to #4) quite regularly. Dont worry about hexes. They can be useful at times, but I probably use a hex once for every 50 times I use a tri-cam.
DONT trade in any #2 BD cams! bostonclimbah does have a point about the #0.5s being of more use in the northeast, but if you're like me and like crack climbing, you will find the #2 to be best size for most hand->fist-sized cracks.
It really does all depend on where/what you climb though. So, definitely like bostonclimbah said, get out there and find out from experience what you need.
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pbcowboy77
Jun 9, 2005, 10:05 PM
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I see you got the 5 to 13 BD nut's. I really think you should get the 1 through 4, and double up in the 1 and 2 sizes. Another good addition to your rack could be the #7 yellow tri cam, everyone needs a boat anchor. Oh ya also think about doubling up on your nut tool, you never know when you need another bottle opener :wink:
Just kidding about all that.
Start looking at smaller cams. I tend to use all my alliens over my BD's, even up to the #1BD. If your looking to go a bit cheeper look at the WC Zeros. They are light and cheep. If your doing a bunch of horizontal cracks don't get the BD's look at something flexable i.e. Alliens, Zeros, Flexcams.
One more thing, if you have been climbing there, you know what works. Check out what other climbers are using in the area. You will get a million opions on this site the don't matter, scince most of the people have never been where you are climbing.
Good luck and be safe.
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sumo
Jun 9, 2005, 11:34 PM
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ok I figured it out
it takes a little proof (pic) to show that i'm not just starting I need a rack thread
thanks for the input
In reply to: what are the straight gates for? i would have just bought more wiregates.
haha you caught me
they have no purpose
they still have the tags on and I thought it would add to the picture of new stuff
A company messed up my order
it was supposed to make things better I guess.
I will probably ebay and buy an alien with that money
tags are off
no use yet though
lugged them out today but ended up just climbing bolts
thanks again
s
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euroford
Jun 10, 2005, 1:27 PM
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LOL!
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mrtristan
Jun 30, 2005, 8:59 PM
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That's a beautiful rack. I havent read the whole thread, but I'm assuming you're going to get some smaller cams?
Now go out there and get it all scratched and dirty. :twisted:
-Tristan
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blakester
Jun 30, 2005, 9:59 PM
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Sumner, quit wasting your $$$ on overpriced BD stuff. Trango Superflies are lighter, bigger, and cheaper than those neutrinos! You should check out the DMM 4cu cams currently $29.95 @ rei, or the older Trango Flexcams, 29.99 @ rockempire.com as well. Get the 3 or four smallest tricams, and i'd recomend a few of the mid-sized WC curved hexes, slung on dyneema, say sizes 4-7. Through ebay and the cc.com classifieds I was able to get the 6 smallest tricams, and all the WC hexes for $85, so keep your eyes open. By the way, Beacon Rock re-opens for climbing sometime in July (after a spring closure to protect bird nests), go out there. PM me for climbs or other specific beta. There are some wonderful trad lines @ Beacon.
-Blake
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mrtristan
Jul 1, 2005, 5:13 PM
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In reply to: Sumner, quit wasting your $$$ on overpriced BD stuff.
I'd go Camalots over DMM cams any day.
-Tristan
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caughtinside
Jul 1, 2005, 5:25 PM
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Even if it meant spending more than 2x as much?
DMM cams: 30 bucks
Camalots: 62 bucks.
I'd take the double rack. 8^)
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landgolier
Jul 1, 2005, 5:30 PM
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I'd rather be standing 10 feet above my #2.5 DMM looking at a hand crack with another one on my rack than 10 feet above my lone #1 BD going, "fuuuuuck." Not all of us can afford to pay out the ass for BD cams when there is plenty of other stuff that gets the job done.
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