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mine's 4 to 11 for my everyday trad rack

(12 cams to 33 nuts, hex's, tricams...not counting any of my anciet pro i collect/some times use or aid stuff)


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It's split pretty evenly


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A few more cams


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22 stoppers 3 tricams 8 hexes to 15 cams. thats a little more than 2:1


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lessee....15 or so stoppers, about 8-10 dolt nuts and a titon, two hexes....toss in 15-20 cams...pretty even split, i'd say.


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About 3:1 in favour of passive.


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I don't bother with passive gear most of the time, so the ratio is about infinity.


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I've got 35 nuts (who needs that many? a gear whore!), 6 hexes, 3 tricams (I lost a few on my last big climb...), um, 11 aliens, 5 camalots, and 2 power cams.

that brings it to:
Passive - 41
Cams - 18

I'd put tri-cams with "passive", bringing it to 44:18, about a 2:1 ratio?

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10 stoppers and 2 hexes and 13 cams so 1:1 but i have all the cams i need, i just gotta get some more curved hexs and i need a pink and red tricam.


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22 stoppers 3 tricams 8 hexes to 15 cams. thats a little more than 2:1

why doesn't that surprise me??

http://i23.photobucket.com/...rk10vq/GunksRack.jpg


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22 stoppers 3 tricams 8 hexes to 15 cams. thats a little more than 2:1

Why doesn't that surprise me??

http://i23.photobucket.com/...rk10vq/GunksRack.jpg


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18 nuts, 6 hexes, 11 cams so about 2:1 in favor of passive


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umm, it depends on the route! :roll:


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10:13 active:passive


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The rack I actually carry on the typical route is 13 cams and 13 stoppers, so exactly 1:1.

I'd have to go home and count up all the other nonsense I own, for a total of all gear.


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I have 6 hexs, 10 nuts, 4 mini-nuts(they're really really f--ing small), and one red metolius tcu that I picked up in squamish


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lets see 10 stopers, 7 hexes, 5 aluminum offsets, 1 tri cam and 14 cams.

passive = 23
active = 14


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25 passive and 10 active. 2 1/2 to 1 ratio.


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3.25 to1 in favor of passive, not counting all the stuff I leave at home most of the time.


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13 nuts, 2 tricams, 10 cams.

1.5:1


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16:31 A:P. Good to see most are at least 2:1, even the bigest gear whores know that cams arn't the be all and end all.


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Totally dependent on area and type of formations.
Gunks/Dacks: lots of passive 1:3
T-wall/New River: slightly more cams 1.5:1
Looking Glass and other NC plutons: cams and tricams only with passive as ballast


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21 Stoppers
6 tri-cams
11 cams

more cams to come
soon 1:1
for now 2:1 for passive


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Two sets of nuts, a set of tricams, two sets of hexes and a set and half of cams, do the math.
So I have a good split when comparing actual number of pieces but heavy on the passive


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20 cams, 10 nuts, so 2:1 in favor of cams. I rarely place passive gear, cams are just faster for me.


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5 hexes, 22 nuts, 12 cams 2.25:1


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11 pieces of passive and 12 cams so right around a 1:1 ratio....not to bad!


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10 nuts, 27 cams (freeclimbin' rack)
20something nuts,7 micro nuts, 27 cams (wall/aid rack)

edit: add 3 cam hooks and 2 bat hooks


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1:2
active:passive


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24:1 for passive.


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I don't bother with passive gear most of the time, so the ratio is about infinity.

13 nuts, 7 hexes, 6 tricams

So the ratio is about "undefined" :D


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(p)25:10(a)


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Some routes ya takes more nuts than cams, others ya donts. Anyone who climbs with the same rack regardless of route... well, ya just kaint reach some people.

My rack is highly variable, %cams% and %nuts% quantity, size and selection route and goal dependant.

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I own approximatly six complete racks of most of the top companies (can you say "Addict"?) and as one person posted on this thread.........."Totally dependent on area and type of formations."...............exactly!!! Totally depends on what type of rock, and where one is climbing.......rack accordingly!!!..................


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Interesting question.

My standard rack: 10 nuts, 10 cams = 1:1 I would've thought I had more active.


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umm, it depends on the route! :roll:
Yeah, it could be mostly active, or the other way around. It all depends. I try not to bring everything when I go because it is way too much stuff.


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Passive:16 nuts, 2 tricams.1 hex
Active:19 cams
I usually carry the same amount of cams and nuts but on the longer routes I usually carry more cams.


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I'm just a baby trad hussy, but my ratio is 7:2- I think I did the math right there. That's counting tricams as passive, which I assume we're doing? I almost always place them actively, though. Leads to a new and ineterestig bit for me- do you consider tricams as part of your active or passive gear?

Rack: 11 stoppers
2 tricams (want more!!)
8 hexes (no cowbells, though, sigh)
6 cams0 one of them is an old skool Wild Country rigid friend that I inheited, and I'm a little afraid of placing it.


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I can't tell if you are talking about my entire rack of gear that hands in my basement or what I normally carry up a route...

I have 35+ cams and probably 21 nuts and 4 tri-cams. so 25 pieces of passive.

when I climb I almost always have more nuts than cams...about 18 nuts and usually about 12 cams pretty standard....abviously the cams can vary..I might have to carry 4 extra to protect wide crack...etc...whatever...


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My usual rack consists of:
2 hands,
8 fingers,
2 Thumbs
2 feet
10 toes
An occasional chicken wing, knee bar, or hip wedge in larger cracks.

I generally use all these items as active cams, but occasionally they're passive.


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50/50 BUT DO I COUNT HEX'S TWICE?


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16 nuts, 2 hex, 2 tricams, 5 cams and a zero 1 which i dont know in which cathegory to put it in LOL

So 20 to 5= 4 to 1 for passive
This is for Granite which is the only rock around here


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15 nuts:6 cams. I would like more cams for long parallel cracks. Need a real job. I can't complain though. I only had 4 cams last week. I got two booty cams on a popular route that a lot of people bail on.


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I am still building but right now, I have one set (10) nuts and 20 cams and three tricams. What I carry up each route changes, but that is all I have so far


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I use a set of stoppers, half a set of hexes (the 5 or 6 biggest ones) 2 tri cams (the 2 smallest ones) 4 power cams .5"-3" and 4 bd c4s .5"-2", I want to get the 3" also. So that makes it about 3:1 passive.

Nate


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I only own 3 cams at the mo, so ratio is about 1:8 for most of the routes I do. But since I still see myself as a beginner I share most of the gear with my partner at the time.

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2:1 for passive.


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14 cams, 20 nuts, 6 tricams, 3 hexes

1:2 passive


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