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dirtineye
Sep 11, 2005, 11:46 AM
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In reply to: In reply to: Thanks curt... she slightly misquoted me, as well as missing the point of what I said. I boulder. I like to boulder. I just like to climb big things more. thats why I buy alpinist. because it has literature about people climbing big things. I wouldnt expect to see an article about Fits Roy in bouldr weekly, and I don't really wan't to read about fonti in ALPINIST. The name of the mag does say somthing about what I expect to find inside....can ya dig? I can dig. However, if you missed the Alpinist article's key point (that there is a direct connection between the history of alpinism and the history of bouldering) then I really don't think you are truly interested in either. Curt
So if one misses a point, one can't be truly interested in the subject? Einstein missed a point or two...
With logic like that, you must be a closet sport climber!
Ohhh wait, that was too mean, sorry.
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neurostar
Sep 11, 2005, 12:15 PM
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In reply to: The reason they aren't making money (and probably never will) is because they are targeting an audience that doesn't pay $50 for anything, let alone a magazine subscription. ... The only people who fit in that category are professional climbers, and they get everything comped!
Eh, you're forgetting about armchair mountaineers. And I bet there's a lot of those.
In reply to: I you want to make money at this, you have to target the average climber, and that means "tech tips", "gear guides" "ask masterbater" and, yes, even stupid, ditzy interviews of scott cory, joe kinder and tori allen.
Eh.. I have a subscription to Rock & Ice... and I'm going to let that one lapse. For the last 5 issues or so, there's only been one article in each issue that I've really found interesting.. the rest is boring. Gear guides? I just ask my friends who actually use them... I rely on that info much more readily.
As far as issue quality and timelyness goes, I haven't had a single issue with the guys at Alpinist. I've always been satisfied with their work (even though the occasional article seemed out there, but that's the exception, not the norm as it is with other mags).
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all_that_is_rock
Sep 11, 2005, 7:19 PM
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In reply to: In reply to: Thanks curt... she slightly misquoted me, as well as missing the point of what I said. I boulder. I like to boulder. I just like to climb big things more. thats why I buy alpinist. because it has literature about people climbing big things. I wouldnt expect to see an article about Fits Roy in bouldr weekly, and I don't really wan't to read about fonti in ALPINIST. The name of the mag does say somthing about what I expect to find inside....can ya dig? I can dig. However, if you missed the Alpinist article's key point (that there is a direct connection between the history of alpinism and the history of bouldering) then I really don't think you are truly interested in either. Curt |
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curt
Sep 11, 2005, 7:29 PM
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In reply to: In reply to: In reply to: Thanks curt... she slightly misquoted me, as well as missing the point of what I said. I boulder. I like to boulder. I just like to climb big things more. thats why I buy alpinist. because it has literature about people climbing big things. I wouldnt expect to see an article about Fits Roy in bouldr weekly, and I don't really wan't to read about fonti in ALPINIST. The name of the mag does say somthing about what I expect to find inside....can ya dig? I can dig. However, if you missed the Alpinist article's key point (that there is a direct connection between the history of alpinism and the history of bouldering) then I really don't think you are truly interested in either. Curt I got the point. And this is true of lots of alpine areas, not just founti and the alps, but regardless I pay for the mag to read about BIG new routes, and look at pretty pictures that make me feel happy in my "swim suit area". It's alot of money to spend to look at 18 pages of pictures that dont quite captivate me. I'm sure you and all your contemperaries could come and campus circles around me with your bouldering power, but I just don't find bouldering photogrophy that interesting.
Fair enough. However, I considered the article to provide an excellent historical perspective--which I really enjoyed. In fact, I think it would have been almost as good without the pictures.
Curt
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cintune
Sep 11, 2005, 8:05 PM
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In reply to: I got the point. And this is true of lots of alpine areas, not just founti and the alps, but regardless I pay for the mag to read about BIG new routes, and look at pretty pictures that make me feel happy in my "swim suit area". It's alot of money to spend to look at 18 pages of pictures that dont quite captivate me. I'm sure you and all your contemperaries could come and campus circles around me with your bouldering power, but I just don't find bouldering photogrophy that interesting.
Got to admit that the first few issues were better when it came to that. Awesome new photos and topos that showed that this was where the limits were being pushed.
Fontainebleau deserves recognition for exactly the reasons the editors gave. If there are any other places where bouldering is historically connected to the high peaks they would also make great features.
Also, with three or more other publications also running the best and the best-of-the-best climbing photography, we should be nothing less than totally grateful to live in such a world.
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climbingbetty22
Sep 12, 2005, 12:39 AM
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In reply to: In reply to: Wow, if they are outsourcing to China, which companies do in an effort to bring the price of their commodity down, and it still costs $13 an issue. That's sad. Beautiful mag, but I just can't afford $50 for a subscription especially when I'm only getting 4 issues a year....
Bastard. I'm a full-time student in a professional program where I study enough to have a kick-ass GPA. I do this while also serving as class president, SGA Executive president, a Resident Assistant AND having a weekend job. I prefer to use the money I earn from that job to fund actual climbing trips in my severly limited spare time instead using it to buy overpriced toilet paper from China.
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all_that_is_rock
Sep 12, 2005, 12:48 AM
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Don't listen to her, she aides through the crux's of 5.5's
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curt
Sep 12, 2005, 12:53 AM
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In reply to: In reply to: In reply to: Wow, if they are outsourcing to China, which companies do in an effort to bring the price of their commodity down, and it still costs $13 an issue. That's sad. Beautiful mag, but I just can't afford $50 for a subscription especially when I'm only getting 4 issues a year.... Bastard. I'm a full-time student in a professional program where I study enough to have a kick-ass GPA. I do this while also serving as class president, SGA Executive president, a Resident Assistant AND having a weekend job. I prefer to use the money I earn from that job to fund actual climbing trips in my severly limited spare time instead using it to buy overpriced toilet paper from China.
Biatch. Want some cheese to go with that whine?
Curt
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climbingbetty22
Sep 12, 2005, 1:05 AM
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Ha! After you get out, you'll be so weak you'll have to aid 5.5 cruxes too, bitch! :D
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roy_hinkley_jr
Sep 12, 2005, 1:07 AM
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In reply to: instead using it to buy overpriced toilet paper from China.
And you were too busy to notice that the paper and printing quality actually went up with the west of boarder versus the north of boarder printer. It's never been entirely made in USA.
Sad that new climbers have such little appreciation for history. Those who scoff at the Bleau article just show their ignorance.
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rockfax
Sep 12, 2005, 1:16 AM
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In reply to: I'm a full-time student in a professional program where I study enough to have a kick-ass GPA. I do this while also serving as class president, SGA Executive president, a Resident Assistant AND having a weekend job.
That'll be at a USA University then? Thought so...in that case your kick ass GPA means nothing and your resume filling volunteerism is well just that, resume filling.
Just kidding.
Alpinist 12. Just finished reading it. Brilliant. We don't know how lucky we are to have such a class magazine and I'm sure it'll only get better.
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all_that_is_rock
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In reply to: Ha! After you get out, you'll be so weak you'll have to aid 5.5 cruxes too, b----! :D |
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climbingbetty22
Sep 12, 2005, 1:41 AM
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In reply to: In reply to: In reply to: In reply to: Wow, if they are outsourcing to China, which companies do in an effort to bring the price of their commodity down, and it still costs $13 an issue. That's sad. Beautiful mag, but I just can't afford $50 for a subscription especially when I'm only getting 4 issues a year.... Bastard. I'm a full-time student in a professional program where I study enough to have a kick-ass GPA. I do this while also serving as class president, SGA Executive president, a Resident Assistant AND having a weekend job. I prefer to use the money I earn from that job to fund actual climbing trips in my severly limited spare time instead using it to buy overpriced toilet paper from China. Biatch. Want some cheese to go with that whine? Curt
Oh I'm not whining. I'm simply pointing out that my busy, poor grad student life has demanded that I make other things priority instead of spending $50 on a subscription to a climbing rag, no matter how good. My intention in pointing out the things that I am involved in was to counter the notion some may have that I am just some lazy, gen-x climbing bum who likes to whine about the price of the mag out of some misguided sense of entitlement.
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curt
Sep 12, 2005, 1:46 AM
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In reply to: In reply to: In reply to: In reply to: In reply to: Wow, if they are outsourcing to China, which companies do in an effort to bring the price of their commodity down, and it still costs $13 an issue. That's sad. Beautiful mag, but I just can't afford $50 for a subscription especially when I'm only getting 4 issues a year.... Bastard. I'm a full-time student in a professional program where I study enough to have a kick-ass GPA. I do this while also serving as class president, SGA Executive president, a Resident Assistant AND having a weekend job. I prefer to use the money I earn from that job to fund actual climbing trips in my severly limited spare time instead using it to buy overpriced toilet paper from China. Biatch. Want some cheese to go with that whine? Curt Oh I'm not whining. I'm simply pointing out that my busy, poor grad student life has demanded that I make other things priority instead of spending $50 on a subscription to a climbing rag, no matter how good. My intention in pointing out the things that I am involved in was to counter the notion some may have that I am just some lazy, gen-x climbing bum who likes to whine about the price of the mag out of some misguided sense of entitlement.
Well, I don't currently have a subscription to Alpinist either. But, if a particular issue happens to appeal to me (as #12 did) I don't have any problem with forking over the relatively high cover price. I think it is a really well done magazine.
Curt
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climbingbetty22
Sep 12, 2005, 1:55 AM
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In reply to: In reply to: instead using it to buy overpriced toilet paper from China. And you were too busy to notice that the paper and printing quality actually went up with the west of boarder versus the north of boarder printer. It's never been entirely made in USA. Sad that new climbers have such little appreciation for history. Those who scoff at the Bleau article just show their ignorance.
Funny that you would call those who scoff at the Bleau article ignorant when you are clearly ignorant of the correct spelling of "boarder." The imaginary line that serves as the geographic separation of two countries is a border. A boarder is a tenet in one's house.
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curt
Sep 12, 2005, 1:59 AM
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In reply to: In reply to: In reply to: instead using it to buy overpriced toilet paper from China. And you were too busy to notice that the paper and printing quality actually went up with the west of boarder versus the north of boarder printer. It's never been entirely made in USA. Sad that new climbers have such little appreciation for history. Those who scoff at the Bleau article just show their ignorance. Funny that you would call those who scoff at the Bleau article ignorant when you are clearly ignorant of the correct spelling of "boarder." The imaginary line that serves as the geographic separation of two countries is a border. A boarder is a tenet in one's house.
Funny too, how you would make fun of someone's spelling when a "tenet" is a belief whereas a "tenant" is the correct word meaning a boarder in someone's house. :lol:
Curt
Edited because I clearly can't spell either. :oops:
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Sep 12, 2005, 2:03 AM
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In reply to: In reply to: In reply to: instead using it to buy overpriced toilet paper from China. And you were too busy to notice that the paper and printing quality actually went up with the west of boarder versus the north of boarder printer. It's never been entirely made in USA. Sad that new climbers have such little appreciation for history. Those who scoff at the Bleau article just show their ignorance. Funny that you would call those who scoff at the Bleau article ignorant when you are clearly ignorant of the correct spelling of "boarder." The imaginary line that serves as the geographic separation of two countries is a border. A boarder is a tenet in one's house.
CB, you know I love you and all, but you're the *wrong* person to be pointing out spelling and grammar problems! :lol: By the way, how much does a new Alien cost? Hahahahaha! By the way, do you know what a tenet is? How about a malopropism? Just teasing - carry on!
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curt
Sep 12, 2005, 2:13 AM
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In reply to: .....By the way, do you know what a tenet is? How about a malopropism? Just teasing - carry on! GO
It's "malapropism." WTF? This site is going directly to hell. Haha.
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In reply to: In reply to: In reply to: In reply to: instead using it to buy overpriced toilet paper from China. And you were too busy to notice that the paper and printing quality actually went up with the west of boarder versus the north of boarder printer. It's never been entirely made in USA. Sad that new climbers have such little appreciation for history. Those who scoff at the Bleau article just show their ignorance. Funny that you would call those who scoff at the Bleau article ignorant when you are clearly ignorant of the correct spelling of "boarder." The imaginary line that serves as the geographic separation of two countries is a border. A boarder is a tenet in one's house. Funny too, how you would make fun of someone's spelling when a "tenet" is a belief whereas a "tennant" is the correct word meaning a boarder in someone's house. :lol: Curt
Curt, Curt, Curt.... I was glad to see you correcting Betty's mistake right up to the point when you misspelled TENANT..... what's that little button just below the text edit box on my screen?..... Oh, I see now....It says "Check Spelling" :lol: :lol: :lol:
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In reply to: .....By the way, do you know what a tenet is? How about a malopropism? Just teasing - carry on! GO
It's "malapropism." WTF? This site is going directly to hell. Haha.
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climbingbetty22
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I type quickly and I don't use spell check, doesn't mean that I don't know anything about spelling or grammar Gabe.
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In reply to: In reply to: In reply to: In reply to: In reply to: instead using it to buy overpriced toilet paper from China. And you were too busy to notice that the paper and printing quality actually went up with the west of boarder versus the north of boarder printer. It's never been entirely made in USA. Sad that new climbers have such little appreciation for history. Those who scoff at the Bleau article just show their ignorance. Funny that you would call those who scoff at the Bleau article ignorant when you are clearly ignorant of the correct spelling of "boarder." The imaginary line that serves as the geographic separation of two countries is a border. A boarder is a tenet in one's house. Funny too, how you would make fun of someone's spelling when a "tenet" is a belief whereas a "tennant" is the correct word meaning a boarder in someone's house. :lol: Curt Curt, Curt, Curt.... I was glad to see you correcting Betty's mistake right up to the point when you misspelled TENANT..... what's that little button just below the text edit box on my screen?..... Oh, I see now....It says "Check Spelling" :lol: :lol: :lol:
Dammit.
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In reply to: Got to admit that the first few issues were better when it came to that. Awesome new photos and topos that showed that this was where the limits were being pushed.
In reply to: The owner of printing company I worked for had a tour in a Chinese facility, 12 hour shifts, 6 days a week, workers had to live in dorms and were allowed to go home on their 7 th day.I wonder when they get time to climb in China? If they missed a shift they lost the job. |
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In reply to: The owner of printing company I worked for had a tour in a Chinese facility, 12 hour shifts, 6 days a week, workers had to live in dorms and were allowed to go home on their 7 th day.I wonder when they get time to climb in China? If they missed a shift they lost the job.
Or Orthopedic Surgery residency in San Diego...... :cry:
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docontherock
Sep 12, 2005, 3:14 AM
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In reply to: In reply to: The owner of printing company I worked for had a tour in a Chinese facility, 12 hour shifts, 6 days a week, workers had to live in dorms and were allowed to go home on their 7 th day.I wonder when they get time to climb in China? If they missed a shift they lost the job. Sounds like the fish hatcheries in Alaska.
Or Orthopedic Surgery residency in San Diego...... :cry: ....oh wait.... on the seventh day I still get to go to work.... never mind.....
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