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Im considering buying a 9.5 mm rope. But I was curious if this would make a good trad rope or would it be more of a sport climbing redpoint/onsight rope? Do many trad climbers use skinnier ropes or should I just stick to a 10.2-10.5 rope? Also people who do use 9.5-9.8 ropes for trad: how have they held up? and do they get trashed compared to a thicker rope? Thanks

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YMMV: I use a 9.7 for trad cragging in yosemite and other places with kinda normal rock. However, in Josh where the rock is really rough and on some longer routes, like in Red Rocks, I use a 10.5, but my partners complain about it. On walls I use a 10.5.

-Kate.


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YMMV: I use a 9.7 for trad cragging in yosemite and other places with kinda normal rock. However, in Josh where the rock is really rough and on some longer routes, like in Red Rocks, I use a 10.5, but my partners complain about it. On walls I use a 10.5.

-Kate.

I was planning on using the 9.5mm for trad in jtree. Would this be a good idea? or would the rope just get trashed since jtree rock eats just about everything (ropes,slings,shoes,ect).


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Sure, as long as the rock doesn't have lots of sharp edges, etc. I use heavier duty ropes for sport climbing since you beat up sport ropes a lot more (falls, takes, top-roping partners off of anchors), while trad ropes tend to get low use - fewer falls or takes, less likely to have partners dogging on the rope.

But sharp rock, especially cleanly fractured granite, means thicker ropes for me. Also, like Kate, I bring heavier duty ropes for long trad at Red Rocks, there are a lot of fairly sharp flakes/edges.

And if you're in SoCal and will be climbing at Josh, skinny ropes will get thrashed pretty quickly on the rough rock down there. And why bother saving weight when the routes are 50' from the car. If on the other hand you'll be hiking to Tahquitz every weekend...


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Well, I dunno. I am sure that some folks who climb in Josh more than I do will chime in...

However, if you have plenty of coin and plan to lead at your ultimate limit, as is typical in a trad cragging zone like josh, then a light rope might be nice. You might keep your older rope for toproping sessions (it could take the brunt of wear) and have this sweet thin line as your sending machine...


-Kate.


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Josh Wharton climbs exclusively on the Mammut Revelation 9.2.
He loves it.


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Josh Wharton climbs exclusively on the Mammut Revelation 9.2.
He loves it.

yah...but i bet he never buys a rope, mammut just gives 'em to him, so it's ok if he thrashs tons of ropes a year


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if it's rated a single then it should be ok. what rope are you looking at?
anyway 9.5 will have softer catch if you fall (longer stretch), so you can wear a swami belt. check out the fall ratings


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anyway 9.5 will have softer catch if you fall (longer stretch), so you can wear a swami belt.


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Every rope is constructed differently, so you will still have to identify what's most important to your situation. Lightness of being, softness of catch, falls held and resistance to wear. .. These attributes are often (but not ALWAYS) mutually exclusive in a rope. ( <--WTF, over)


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I've got a 9.4 70 M Beal rope. I love it for multi-pitch, but it does get trashed (and I will soon need a new one). I've got a couple of ropes though for different things.


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anyway 9.5 will have softer catch if you fall (longer stretch), so you can wear a swami belt.
Man, I wish I could rate posts today. The swami belt reference put an unexpected smile on my face.


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if you're gonna use this rope primarily at josh and as your primary every day lead rope its gonna get trashed pretty fast out there. the rock is just too rough and will eat away skinny ropes in no time. if you're just gonna use it for those hard red points and wont be used every time you're climbing there then go for it. otherwise i think you'll be replacing a skinny rope in no time. i use a 10.2 for my lead rope out at josh and on the few occasions i set up a top rope i'll use an old 10.5.


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my two single lines are sub-10mm's.

i have a 70m 9.7 that is over a year old now and going strong. i use it primarily for non-multipitch climbing. so, whenever i go to josh, i use this line (which, admittedly, is not that often). i'm pretty rough on this rope, though, much more so than my previous single line (Sterling 10.2) and i expect it to last at least another year or so.

i also have a 60m 9.6 that is about 6 months old and is still going strong. this is my primary multipitch line- i bought it exclusively for going fast and light on Resolution Arete, and now, 6 months later, it has become my primary use rope. it probably has well over 100 pitches on it by now, and if the first 100 pitches are any indication of its durability, i expect this line to last a very long time.

for the record: i also use a pair of 8.6mm doubles regularly, so although i use the above ropes frequently, they are not my only ropes by any means.


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It depends a bit on your climbing style...

How often do you fall? Just as important, how often does your follower fall and how often do you have to lower your follower?

Those three things - especially lowering - are very hard on a rope. If you generally climb at an onsight level, I would say the rope is fine for your needs. Is it the Mammut 9.5? If so, that's a sweet rope. I also really like the 9.2mm.


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IMO, buy your rope based on the type of abuse it'll take, not the style of climbing you'll do. If all you do is onsight and your pitches tend to be long and winding, you might fall in love with a 9.5. If, however, you work short, hard trad lines like sport climbs, falling and taking as though it's going out of style... maybe a slightly thicker rope might be a better choice.

Another thought: beware your belay device. Some are more appropriate than others for thin cords.


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Is it the Mammut 9.5? If so, that's a sweet rope. I also really like the 9.2mm.

I climbed on a buddy's Mammut 9.5 last weekend. It was so damn sweet. :)


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i use a 8mm 60 mtr rope doubled up for 90 percent of my trading.the crags near by are rarely over 25 mtr


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Is it the Mammut 9.5? If so, that's a sweet rope. I also really like the 9.2mm.

I climbed on a buddy's Mammut 9.5 last weekend. It was so damn sweet. :)

Yes I was planning on getting the 9.5mm Mammut Infinity. I've lead on a 9.8mm before and I thought it was great. It felt like it wasn't even there. I also have a Sterling 10.2 60m rope. But unfortunately I had to cut about 16 feet off of it due to a nice core shot. So now I have about a 53m rope or so. Which sort of sketches me out on long rappels, knowing I do not have a 60m rope. If I do get a 9.5mm it will mainly be used for trad in Joshua tree and occasionally on a red point attempt on sport. I understand the nature of jtree rock is rough which probably means it will get some wear on it. But I don't plan to hang dog on it often and I will certainly not be top roping through it. Thanks to everyone who has posted!


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I just purchased the Mammut Infinity 9.5. Awesome rope. I'm using it strictly for sport/RP's. I have an older 10.5 I continue to use as my main workhorse. Josh will be harsh on skinny ropes though. It's also on sale @ REI right now for $125 if that will help you decide.


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Another thought: beware your belay device. Some are more appropriate than others for thin cords.

What? A figure 8 is the master of all belay devices.


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I just purchased the Mammut Infinity 9.5. Awesome rope. I'm using it strictly for sport/RP's. I have an older 10.5 I continue to use as my main workhorse. Josh will be harsh on skinny ropes though. It's also on sale @ REI right now for $125 if that will help you decide.

I was planning on getting the 9.5mm Mammut Infinity from rei. Pretty good deal. Thanks


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I just purchased the Mammut Infinity 9.5. Awesome rope. I'm using it strictly for sport/RP's. I have an older 10.5 I continue to use as my main workhorse. Josh will be harsh on skinny ropes though. It's also on sale @ REI right now for $125 if that will help you decide.

I was planning on getting the 9.5mm Mammut Infinity from rei. Pretty good deal. Thanks

If you're gonna be using it mainly for trad and @ Josh, I would get the Mammut 10.5 they have on sale for the same price. You'll get longer use out of it especially if it's your main rope. It makes for more than an adequate sport line too (i.e. taking lot's of falls/TR'ing w/ a group more than 2). Besides, it's really a matter of a pound.


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IMO, buy your rope based on the type of abuse it'll take, not the style of climbing you'll do. If all you do is onsight and your pitches tend to be long and winding, you might fall in love with a 9.5. If, however, you work short, hard trad lines like sport climbs, falling and taking as though it's going out of style... maybe a slightly thicker rope might be a better choice.

I almost exclusively onsight trad. Bad rope drag can eat up a sub-10mm single rope *fast*.

My opinion - in Josh, a sub 10mm single rope will get eaten up in a year or less if you climb a lot.

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I just purchased the Mammut Infinity 9.5. Awesome rope. I'm using it strictly for sport/RP's. I have an older 10.5 I continue to use as my main workhorse. Josh will be harsh on skinny ropes though. It's also on sale @ REI right now for $125 if that will help you decide.

I was planning on getting the 9.5mm Mammut Infinity from rei. Pretty good deal. Thanks

If you're gonna be using it mainly for trad and @ Josh, I would get the Mammut 10.5 they have on sale for the same price. You'll get longer use out of it especially if it's your main rope. It makes for more than an adequate sport line too (i.e. taking lot's of falls/TR'ing w/ a group more than 2). Besides, it's really a matter of a pound.

Thats a good idea, but I already have a 10.2mm Sterling that I use. I rather not go any bigger than 10.2 if I decide to get another rope. So I thought I would get a 9.5mm for redpoint attempts and for trad, but I do understand it will get some wear out at josh.


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I cant make up my mind If I should get the 9.5mm or not. :?


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How many days a year do you climb? In JTree?

If you're employed like many of us, it's not as many as you'd like. Likewise, probably not enough to quickly wear out a 9.5mm rope there. Give us a number to work with.


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I cant make up my mind If I should get the 9.5mm or not. :?

Get the 9.5mm. It's a good deal. Use it for climbing at Tahquitz, Suicide, Yos., Sierra, etc. Use the 10.2 for most of your Jtree climbing. A 50m rope works for most routes/rappels in Jtree.


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I cant make up my mind If I should get the 9.5mm or not. :?

Get the 9.5, it's a heck of a deal. I just ordered one myself. Mammut ropes wear well. I am replacing a 10.2 that won't die. It looks to be in perfect shape but is 4+ years old.


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How many days a year do you climb? In JTree?

If you're employed like many of us, it's not as many as you'd like. Likewise, probably not enough to quickly wear out a 9.5mm rope there. Give us a number to work with.

I try to get out there about every 3-4 weeks for a total of 2-3 climbing days. I've been out there twice and have climbed about a total of 6 days at josh. I would also use the rope for Yose, tahquitz,ect.

-Tom


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How many days a year do you climb? In JTree?

If you're employed like many of us, it's not as many as you'd like. Likewise, probably not enough to quickly wear out a 9.5mm rope there. Give us a number to work with.

I try to get out there about every 3-4 weeks for a total of 2-3 climbing days. I've been out there twice and have climbed about a total of 6 days at josh. I would also use the rope for Yose, tahquitz,ect.

-Tom

Well, if it's not your only rope, then go w/ the Infinity. Again, a real sweet rope. You won't be disappointed, especially for the price.


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How many days a year do you climb? In JTree?

If you're employed like many of us, it's not as many as you'd like. Likewise, probably not enough to quickly wear out a 9.5mm rope there. Give us a number to work with.

I try to get out there about every 3-4 weeks for a total of 2-3 climbing days. I've been out there twice and have climbed about a total of 6 days at josh. I would also use the rope for Yose, tahquitz,ect.

-Tom


Well, if it's not your only rope, then go w/ the Infinity. Again, a real sweet rope. You won't be disappointed, especially for the price.


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How many days a year do you climb? In JTree?

If you're employed like many of us, it's not as many as you'd like. Likewise, probably not enough to quickly wear out a 9.5mm rope there. Give us a number to work with.

I try to get out there about every 3-4 weeks for a total of 2-3 climbing days. I've been out there twice and have climbed about a total of 6 days at josh. I would also use the rope for Yose, tahquitz,ect.

-Tom


Well, if it's not your only rope, then go w/ the Infinity. Again, a real sweet rope. You won't be disappointed, especially for the price.

I think im going to go ahead and get it. Seems like a great rope. Thanks


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My next rope is going to be in the 9.8-10mm range and will be used for trad.


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I just ordered the 9.5mm Infinity from REI. Thanks everyone for the replies.


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anyway 9.5 will have softer catch if you fall (longer stretch), so you can wear a swami belt.
Man, I wish I could rate posts today. The swami belt reference put an unexpected smile on my face.

I covered you, fiend (i usually don't use all my trophies/poos anyway).

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I just ordered the 9.5mm Infinity from REI. Thanks everyone for the replies.

My GF asked me what her mom should get me for Christmas. I told her the Mammut Infinity 8^)

$125 is an amazing deal for it too!


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I just ordered the 9.5mm Infinity from REI. Thanks everyone for the replies.

My GF asked me what her mom should get me for Christmas. I told her the Mammut Infinity 8^)

$125 is an amazing deal for it too!

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Forgive me if i'm wrong about this, but doesn't the infinity have a 9.1 kn impact force? As such, i feel like it might not be the best rope to use for trad, or manky old bolts.

Just something to think about if you climb over brassies.

The bluewater lightning pro is a great rope. It's a 9.7, with an 8.4 kn impact force, but it's only 180 grams heavier than the mammut, and is rated for 3 more falls with lower working elongation. I realize that it's only a difference of about 160 lbs.. but sometimes that's the difference between a piece pulling or not.

It's also only 6 bucks more than the mammut on rei.


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Forgive me if i'm wrong about this, but doesn't the infinity have a 9.1 kn impact force? As such, i feel like it might not be the best rope to use for trad, or manky old bolts.

Just something to think about if you climb over brassies.

The bluewater lightning pro is a great rope. It's a 9.7, with an 8.4 kn impact force, but it's only 180 grams heavier than the mammut, and is rated for 3 more falls with lower working elongation. I realize that it's only a difference of about 160 lbs.. but sometimes that's the difference between a piece pulling or not.

It's also only 6 bucks more than the mammut on rei.

Yes the infinity has a 9.1 kn impact force. The bluewater lighting pro that they have on sale isnt a dry rope. Where as the Mammut is dry and is a better deal than the bluewater. You save 37% on the Mammut, and you save 25% on the bluewater.

-Tom


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Nov 23, 2005, 9:22 PM
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Forgive me if i'm wrong about this, but doesn't the infinity have a 9.1 kn impact force? As such, i feel like it might not be the best rope to use for trad, or manky old bolts.

Just something to think about if you climb over brassies.

The bluewater lightning pro is a great rope. It's a 9.7, with an 8.4 kn impact force, but it's only 180 grams heavier than the mammut, and is rated for 3 more falls with lower working elongation. I realize that it's only a difference of about 160 lbs.. but sometimes that's the difference between a piece pulling or not.

It's also only 6 bucks more than the mammut on rei.

Yes the infinity has a 9.1 kn impact force. The bluewater lighting pro that they have on sale isnt a dry rope. Where as the Mammut is dry and is a better deal than the bluewater. You save 37% on the Mammut, and you save 25% on the bluewater.

-Tom

actually, i think the lightning pro is a piece of junk. its my least favorite of my ropes- the thing turned to steel after about 2 months of use. i kept using it off and on and it has softened up a bit, but its still much stiffer than i'd like it to be.

be glad you bought the mammut, they make fine ropes and i've never heard anyone complain about them for any reason.


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I use the bluewater and have absolutely no complaints about it whatsoever, definitely no "steel" rope, and i've had it for 4 months. Handles as well as my old mammut flash.


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Forgive me if i'm wrong about this, but doesn't the infinity have a 9.1 kn impact force? As such, i feel like it might not be the best rope to use for trad, or manky old bolts.

Just something to think about if you climb over brassies.

The bluewater lightning pro is a great rope. It's a 9.7, with an 8.4 kn impact force, but it's only 180 grams heavier than the mammut, and is rated for 3 more falls with lower working elongation. I realize that it's only a difference of about 160 lbs.. but sometimes that's the difference between a piece pulling or not.

It's also only 6 bucks more than the mammut on rei.

Yes the infinity has a 9.1 kn impact force. The bluewater lighting pro that they have on sale isnt a dry rope. Where as the Mammut is dry and is a better deal than the bluewater. You save 37% on the Mammut, and you save 25% on the bluewater.

-Tom

actually, i think the lightning pro is a piece of junk. its my least favorite of my ropes- the thing turned to steel after about 2 months of use. i kept using it off and on and it has softened up a bit, but its still much stiffer than i'd like it to be.

be glad you bought the mammut, they make fine ropes and i've never heard anyone complain about them for any reason.

Im looking forward to getting my Mammut rope. I climbed on a buddies 10.5 Mammut flash today. It was brand new and the thing was awesome, very smooth rope.

-Tom


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Nov 24, 2005, 3:51 PM
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Yes the infinity has a 9.1 kn impact force. The bluewater lighting pro that they have on sale isnt a dry rope. Where as the Mammut is dry and is a better deal than the bluewater. You save 37% on the Mammut, and you save 25% on the bluewater.

-Tom

Hay, my buddy gave me a pair of brand new shoes. They're only two sizes too large for my foot, so they're sooper comfey and not too loose with my heavy wool socks in them. They were free so I saved 100% on them, and they are a cool color but I find that I can hardly get up a 5.2 in them.

Is that a better deal than paying for a foo that shits?


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Yes the infinity has a 9.1 kn impact force. The bluewater lighting pro that they have on sale isnt a dry rope. Where as the Mammut is dry and is a better deal than the bluewater. You save 37% on the Mammut, and you save 25% on the bluewater.

-Tom

Hay, my buddy gave me a pair of brand new shoes. They're only two sizes too large for my foot, so they're sooper comfey and not too loose with my heavy wool socks in them. They were free so I saved 100% on them, and they are a cool color but I find that I can hardly get up a 5.2 in them.

Is that a better deal than paying for a foo that s---?

A little wine and tryptophan and look what happens..? :wink:


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Nov 25, 2005, 10:36 AM
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