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melekzek
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In reply to: In another thread ddt announced that indeed pics will soon be available to be embedded in posts.
thats good news... but this should be announced from the beginning....
we are all whining here because there is nothing in the initial announcement that things were in transition. The tone simply was "thats the new rc.com, deal with it"
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I'm pretty sure that what was announced was that the real work would start once the transition was made. If it wasn't in the announcement then it should have been because we discussed this innumerable times in the mods and eds forum. Excuse us if we did not convey this to you all in as sufficient a manner that you would understand it.
Many users also asked to simply bring the new site online even if it wasn't entirely finished because they were sick to death of the slow or non existent load times of the olde site. Well guess what, it is a work in progress.
I guess ya can't please all of the people all of the time.
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robbovius
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In reply to: I guess ya can't please all of the people all of the time.
...and, no good deed goes unpunished ;-)
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olympicmtnboy
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It's really too bad. Less photos=less interesting forums to read at work, and less often coming to visit here. I post on www.cascadeclimbers.com and that site rocks. This one keeps getting worse and worse and this "redesign" isn't doing anything at all to bring me back.
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melekzek
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you want your embedded images back? Are you a firefox user?
check this
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marc801
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philbox wrote: I'm pretty sure that what was announced was that the real work would start once the transition was made. If it wasn't in the announcement then it should have been because we discussed this innumerable times in the mods and eds forum. Excuse us if we did not convey this to you all in as sufficient a manner that you would understand it. Many users also asked to simply bring the new site online even if it wasn't entirely finished because they were sick to death of the slow or non existent load times of the olde site. Well guess what, it is a work in progress. I guess ya can't please all of the people all of the time.
This is the worst fucking site migration I've ever seen. There has been absolutely zero consideration of anything that is important to the site users and it's obvious from the hundreds of posts that communication of what would actually happen sucked cat ass. All that was said was that some features would stay and some would go. There was never any mention of specifically what features were involved. There was never any real attempt at getting input from the user community. Any comments about "what should have been communicated" or "we tried to prioritize" are simply trying to cover your ass for a horribly inept approach. Sack up. You guys fucked up and you know it.
The new owners are absolutely fucking dickhead morons who simply don't give a shit about the eyeballs they purchased.
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climbsomething
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sucked cat ass? HAR!
I don't want to get into *this* argument (I have a special thread for most of my angst) but I do like that line. Is that worse than sucking donkey balls?
Oh, ok, I'll let some of my angst leak. I'm quoting this for posterity in case any persecution comes from it (we got yer back):
marc801 wrote: There was never any real attempt at getting input from the user community. Any comments about "what should have been communicated" or "we tried to prioritize" are simply trying to cover your ass for a horribly inept approach. Sack up. You guys fucked up and you know it. The new owners are absolutely fucking dickhead morons who simply don't give a shit about the eyeballs they purchased.
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taino
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marc801 wrote: Bullshit. This is the worst fucking site migration I've ever seen. There has been absolutely zero consideration of anything that is important to the site users and it's obvious from the hundreds of posts that communication of what would actually happen sucked cat ass. All that was said was that some features would stay and some would go. There was never any mention of specifically what features were involved. There was never any real attempt at getting input from the user community. Any comments about "what should have been communicated" or "we tried to prioritize" are simply trying to cover your ass for a horribly inept approach. Sack up. You guys fucked up and you know it. The new owners are absolutely fucking dickhead morons who simply don't give a shit about the eyeballs they purchased.
I just wanted to see that again. *sigh* Trophy for you.
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coldclimb
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marc801 wrote: philbox wrote: I'm pretty sure that what was announced was that the real work would start once the transition was made. If it wasn't in the announcement then it should have been because we discussed this innumerable times in the mods and eds forum. Excuse us if we did not convey this to you all in as sufficient a manner that you would understand it. Many users also asked to simply bring the new site online even if it wasn't entirely finished because they were sick to death of the slow or non existent load times of the olde site. Well guess what, it is a work in progress. I guess ya can't please all of the people all of the time. Bullshit. This is the worst fucking site migration I've ever seen. There has been absolutely zero consideration of anything that is important to the site users and it's obvious from the hundreds of posts that communication of what would actually happen sucked cat ass. All that was said was that some features would stay and some would go. There was never any mention of specifically what features were involved. There was never any real attempt at getting input from the user community. Any comments about "what should have been communicated" or "we tried to prioritize" are simply trying to cover your ass for a horribly inept approach. Sack up. You guys fucked up and you know it. The new owners are absolutely fucking dickhead morons who simply don't give a shit about the eyeballs they purchased.
heh heh heh. Excellent summary of the feelings of a looooot of people lately.
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melekzek
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j_ung wrote: However, it's not as good as inline images, since these appear at the end of the post, instead of placed strategically in the middle.
agreed. but if you put a linked jpg inside your post, the second version of the bookmarklet can convert it to an embedded image in the middle of the post too...
These bookmarklets are written as a proof of concept, for the claims of that embedded images are hard to implement, or decrease performance. It has nothing to do with either. It is obviously a delibarete choice. Period.
Hard to implement, are you kidding me! As the page is generated, current site code generates html links, but as easily it could generate html embeded images, it is a change of one single line! As my bookmarklet does externally in 2-3 lines.
Performance. Lol. If you do not embed images, we, the readers, do not load the images as we read the page. Less data to transfer, thus feels faster. Although the new site IS faster, i do not believe it is due to the lack of embeded images, since mostly those images are linked out of the site.
My take? I think it is part of the corporatization of this site. NSFW tags, no embedded images, everything is geared towards the user with a corporate job. It might fit to skydiving office workers with their suburban life where everything is tightly controlled, such as their forum. But the dirtbag rockclimbing community, pffft.... I do not like this highly controlled site.... (yes i am sure there are dirtbag skydivers or corporate rockclimbers, but you get my point)
Are embedded images going to come back, as they work on the site! Are they? Or the landlords are waiting us to get used to it? As I said above, it is a change of one single line in site code, and apparently not allowing the embedded images is a choice made by our landlords. We can whine as much as we want, but they are not coming back. Unless the traffic starts to decrease....
edited: the spellchecker does not even recognize dirtbag !!!!1111
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reno
Nov 29, 2006, 8:28 PM
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marc801 wrote: Bullshit......
You done, or should I get you a Kleenex?
You're crying, whining, and bitching about how you don't approve of this, that, or the other. You are insulting those folks who have spent a great deal of time and money and effort trying to make improvements. You scatter your vitrol with such eloquent phrases as "sucked cat ass." And, yet, you offer no solutions.
There's an old saying: "If you're not part of the solution...." well, you know the rest.
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coldclimb
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reno wrote: marc801 wrote: Bullshit...... You done, or should I get you a Kleenex? You're crying, whining, and bitching about how you don't approve of this, that, or the other. You are insulting those folks who have spent a great deal of time and money and effort trying to make improvements. You scatter your vitrol with such eloquent phrases as "sucked cat ass." And, yet, you offer no solutions. There's an old saying: "If you're not part of the solution...." well, you know the rest.
Here's a solution: Undo the damage and THINK. Then act. It's still not too late, unless those involved are too proud to step back and admit they made a mistake or two.
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reno
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coldclimb wrote: Here's a solution: Undo the damage and THINK. Then act.
/rolls eyes.
Coldclimb, that's pretty vague, no? Maybe some more specific answers, and perhaps a bit of patience so we can implement them?
Not directed at you, specifically, but in a general sense: It seems that lots of folks here have the mindset of "If they don't fix this in a day, that's just evidence that they don't care about us, the users."
I'm having a hard time buying into that belief structure.
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melekzek
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v2 bookmarklets are ready with bugfixes, please replace with this new version
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coldclimb
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reno wrote: coldclimb wrote: Here's a solution: Undo the damage and THINK. Then act. /rolls eyes. Coldclimb, that's pretty vague, no? Maybe some more specific answers, and perhaps a bit of patience so we can implement them? Not directed at you, specifically, but in a general sense: It seems that lots of folks here have the mindset of "If they don't fix this in a day, that's just evidence that they don't care about us, the users." I'm having a hard time buying into that belief structure.
Sorry for my lack of specificity Reno, and please understand my comments weren't directed at you either, but at the management. Also, I'm not referring to site bugs or the speed of resolution of such issues, but rather the mistakes made by management during the changover process. Specifically: the failure to listen to advice of longstanding members of the community on issues such as the removal of current features. In this case I can only say "I told you so" as my advice was tossed out under the pretense that "we don't want it, and the users won't mind."
More importantly there's the matter of the inability of management to accept criticism, their inability to handle disagreement with their decisions, and their stubborn refusal to admit for a moment that they may have made a mistake.
A proper solution to the latter issue would be an appology issued to Hillary and myself, and the reinstatement of said former staff into their former positions, where our experience and desire to ensure a grand future for this website would guide them towards a better end result, ie: WHAT THE USERS WANT.
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reno
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coldclimb wrote: Also, I'm not referring to site bugs or the speed of resolution of such issues, but rather the mistakes made by management during the changover process. Specifically: the failure to listen to advice of longstanding members of the community on issues such as the removal of current features. In this case I can only say "I told you so" as my advice was tossed out under the pretense that "we don't want it, and the users won't mind."
OK, so as I understand you, you have objections to (among other things) features on the old RC.com that are no longer available on the new RC.com? Correct?
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philbox
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marc801 wrote: Bullshit. This is the worst fucking site migration I've ever seen. There has been absolutely zero consideration of anything that is important to the site users and it's obvious from the hundreds of posts that communication of what would actually happen sucked cat ass. All that was said was that some features would stay and some would go. There was never any mention of specifically what features were involved. There was never any real attempt at getting input from the user community. Any comments about "what should have been communicated" or "we tried to prioritize" are simply trying to cover your ass for a horribly inept approach. Sack up. You guys fucked up and you know it. Other expletives deleted by philbox.
I think you've definitely got this whole thing way about face. In fact the olde rc.com was a basket case that was based on the worst code ever written in the www. The owners paid good money for a poxy code base that had to be rewritten on to a new and far superior platform. Personally I would never have made the investment and the previous owners seem to have made an excellent deal getting out when they did.
Far from abusing the new owners we should be thanking them that they took this basket case of a crap platform and have rebooted it on to a scalable platform that will be eminently suitable far into the 21st century. Ask tim how good the code base is now.
None of the above should be read to have cast any aspertions on any of the usership base, I am merely making comment to cast some light on what a difference the site is as far as the code base is. This may help users to understand some of what goes on behind the scenes.
I am also calling enough is enough already. Please do not make any more abusive posts directed at the owners. You have all been given fair warning to keep things civil and to offer respect and diplomacy towards each other. This applies equally to comments directed at the owners.
If you have anything helpful to add then please do feel free to comment. I have no absolutely no problem with a robust debate but the above quoted comments are beyond the pall. Take heed that launching any personal attacks such as the above will result in consequences. Do so at your own risk. Keep poking those lions balls with a sharp stick eh.
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coldclimb wrote: philbox wrote: I am also calling enough is enough already. Please do not make any more abusive posts directed at the owners. You have all been given fair warning to keep things civil and to offer respect and diplomacy towards each other. This applies equally to comments directed at the owners. Do you mean to say, Phil, that we're to be disciplined for simply commenting negatively about the owners? Or do you mean only in such violently profane a context as the post above? Please explain...
What part of "abusive" didn't translate?
*sigh*
Complaints, problems, bugs, errors, criticism. All welcome, all the time.
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reno wrote: coldclimb wrote: philbox wrote: I am also calling enough is enough already. Please do not make any more abusive posts directed at the owners. You have all been given fair warning to keep things civil and to offer respect and diplomacy towards each other. This applies equally to comments directed at the owners. Do you mean to say, Phil, that we're to be disciplined for simply commenting negatively about the owners? Or do you mean only in such violently profane a context as the post above? Please explain... What part of "abusive" didn't translate? *sigh* Complaints, problems, bugs, errors, criticism. All welcome, all the time.
I guess I just need a little clarification Reno. Coming from Phil, I'm pretty sure I know the answer, but I need to be positive.
As for "criticism" being welcome all the time, I think it's safe to say that's not entirely true. 
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coldclimb wrote: I guess I just need a little clarification Reno. Coming from Phil, I'm pretty sure I know the answer, but I need to be positive. As for "criticism" being welcome all the time, I think it's safe to say that's not entirely true.
Come on now John, whatever your issues might be with Daniel and Willem you know how the mod team plays. You were part of it for a long time and should know who we are...
I might be going to Alaska next year, maybe we can meet up for a beer and a clamber.
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philbox
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reno has it correct John.
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reno
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coldclimb wrote: I guess I just need a little clarification Reno. Coming from Phil, I'm pretty sure I know the answer, but I need to be positive. As for "criticism" being welcome all the time, I think it's safe to say that's not entirely true.
Aw, c'mon, John. That's a little beneath you, bro.
1) "I don't like the new website as much as the old, and here are my reasons: Can't rate posts, don't have my 'friends' list anymore, and the e-mail system feels clunky."
2) "This new website sucks dick, and so do the new owners. They're nothing but a couple of clueless fucking Nazis who are ruling with a steel fist, and if you don't comply and toe the line, they're out to get you."
One of those two is reasonable and helpful. I'll leave it up to you to decide which.
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coldclimb
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Thanks guys, don't get me wrong, I know you mean well, I just had to be sure. I trust and respect you guys, but to put it bluntly, I don't trust that the new owners wouldn't put a blanket ban on insulting them. I don't trust much from them, as I'm sure you guys understand. I didn't mean to lump you in with them, I just needed some clarification, and I got it, thanks.
Any one of you guys will always have a place to crash whenever you come to Alaska.
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