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so i found this out from one of my buddies who runs track. Apparently the normal gatorade bottle (those 32 once squat ones) was originally designed to be dumped into a 5 gallon cooler of water. If you drink it straight your body can't process the high concentration of electrolytes and most of them just pass through you completely wasted. Since then I've been diluting my gatorade or powerade with water and have noticed that it does seem much more re-enervating after a long pitch (although that could just be placebo). Plus one bottle ends up lasting all weekend and it doesn't taste nearly as terrible as the full concentration stuff.


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I often drink gatorade and juice watered down a lot too. the idea is to drink water and lots of it with a little bit of flavor, sugar and salts, not a bit of water with the sugar.


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thats some good info, sometimes I like to keep my poop in a jar. Not all the time..... just sometimes.


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I think its supposed to be Half & Half.


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I buy Gatorade in powder form. It's more economical, easier to carry home, and I can mix it to any concentration I like. The only downside is that less flavors are available as powder - usually only lemon-lime and orange.


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I hardly see how this is logical in any sense. why would they waste their money when they could dilute it 1:20 and then sell it to you for the same price?

Different people and different conditions are going to change the homeostasis of the body making different conc. of electrolytes necessary for different people. For physical activity though I heard a speaker recently who was sponsored by gatorade and attributes some of the affects of gatorade to maintaining plasma glucose levels and of course to prevent dehydration.

If the electrolyte levels where as high as you say, you most likely would be very thirsty after drinking gatorade, your body's mechanism to return to homeostasis.

http://www.slowtwitch.com/...6/nutri/fluidq4.html

Many websites say that if anything gatorade has the minimum amounts of electrolytes that scientists say are optimal or less than the minimum.

Seems you have been duped


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I too find gatorade to be somewhat lacking, but it seems to me that adding a little pharmaceutical grade cocaine does the trick just fine.


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organic wrote:
Different people and different conditions are going to change the homeostasis of the body making different conc. of electrolytes necessary for different people. For physical activity though I heard a speaker recently who was sponsored by gatorade and attributes some of the affects of gatorade to maintaining plasma glucose levels and of course to prevent dehydration.

Well that hardly makes your source credible now, does it? Didn't have time at the moment to actually read your link, but as I understand it, gatorade does not actually function well for hydration purposes, because of the reasons you hypothesized.

Look at tour de france riders...They take their gatorade and mix it with at least an equal part water...If anything, the habits of a super endurance athlete like that (with a large training staff) may shed light on the answer you are looking for, not a sponsored speaker.


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...attributes some of the affects of gatorade to maintaining plasma glucose levels

And all these years we though it only boosted blood sugar levels.


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http://www.gssiweb.com/

Gatorade's sports science site.. way too many articles to link but they don't just throw a product out there for giggles.. they do tons of testing for taste while exercising.. hydration.. etc etc

i have no idea where that single bottle per 5 gal came from but that wouldnt do shit.. considering the small canisters of powder makes 2 gal.. i think the larger containers make 10 gal..

where are people's sources.. lol "i heard from a guy who once read something blah blah"


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Pretty sure about 2 years ago in like Popular Science or some magazine like that they published an article that was supposed to show once and for all that just plain water is better than anything else out there, including gatorade, and since then I've had trouble finding that info, guessing someone got paid to shut up or so, but I remember it was a good read, and in all honesty it does kind of make sense, because were evolved to use the universe's greatest solvent (h20 for those non-science types) most efficiently, it's what were designed to sustain ourself with as is most life on earth, so like I said, think it's logical that such an important thing would be the most important thing in all circumstances.


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c22 wrote:
I too find gatorade to be somewhat lacking, but it seems to me that adding a little pharmaceutical grade cocaine does the trick just fine.
Skip that. I just buy powdered Gatorade and do lines.


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In reply to:
evolved to use the universe's greatest solvent

exactly... which if used too much will flush needed electrolytes out of your body and actually leave you worse off..

Condition called hyponatremia.
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in which their blood sodium concentration falls to an abnormally low level, usually from drinking too much water.

http://www.amaasportsmed.org/news_room/hyponatremia_reuters.htm

I remember the article you're talking about.. but for one there is never a "show once and for all" research is happening all the time and new things are tested. Gatorade has been at this since 1965 and has found a good balance (for the majority of people) of flavor, carbs, electrolytes and water.. Sure for you it maybe too strong.. but you're in a minority.

where's JT512 when we need him.. Jaaaaay nutrition thread (can we move this to like training or something cuz it's not trad)


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you need a lesson in biology.

And just so you know, every study you read out there is not going to be true.


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styleboy wrote:
you need a lesson in biology.

And just so you know, every study you read out there is not going to be true.

Woah people, I just made a comment about that article I read a long time ago, never made any claims of being an expert or anything like that, so calm down, I more was just bringing it up to see if anyone knew the article I was talking about, and never was I rude or acting as if I knew everything. As for the little comment about h20, as I could easily see someone trying to bring that up in response to this, just said that because I've used the term universal solvent before and not everyone has gotten it, so that wasn't a condescending comment, just making sure everyone would get it.


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actually its extremely hard to get hyponatremia. the most common time you hear about it is when people go crazy when trying to hydrate for a marathon, and drink themselves sick of water. personally from being an endurance athlete outside of climbing, i never use gatorade because it has too much sugar(i don't drink anythign caffinated or carbinated though either). and also if you ever notice what elite endurance athletes like kenyans who win marathons use, its not gatorade, its normally something they mix themselves. and also mixing gatorade with that much water just sounds kind of weird to me, because then wouldn't you have to drink all 5 gallons of water to gain out of what was in the gatorade? personally i see redbull and crack as the breakfast of champions


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I attended a presentation on survival interventions for patients in a wilderness setting. The speaker said that Gatorade sugar and electrolyte concentration is twice as concentrated as the concentration at homeostasis in humans. She recommended mixing 1 part water with 1 part gatorade for oral administration (in multiple, very small doses) to give to unconscious patients in a wilderness setting where help is days off.

The nurse (she's also a paramedic) who gave the talk has authored several studies and emergency medicine text books. That's not to say that its the Truth, but better than "someone said...". This reinforced my track experience from college; I also found that the fluid my body most liked was gatorade cut 1 to 1 with water.

[and for those with more medical training, lets not get off topic about oral administration of fluids to an unconscious patient-- I can give more detail if interested]


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styleboy wrote:
you need a lesson in biology.

And just so you know, every study you read out there is not going to be true.

well if you knew anything about biology you would understand that any sports drink that has a higher sodium level than potassium is absoultly horrible for your body.

stay away from gatorade. look for recharge by the kundson co. with the proper diet all you need is water


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scrappydoo wrote:
lets... get off... about oral administration of fluids to an unconscious patient-- I can give more detail if interested]

Let me guess... GHB?Sly


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your body's need for electrolytes determines how many it expels in urine.

drinking to much water ends with you peeing out mostly water.

just because you drink too much water doesn't mean you are going to unstoppably lose all of your electrolytes

don't you think there would be tons of warnings all over water if you could "accidentally" give yourself hyponatremia?


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AngusBeefheart wrote:
so i found this out from one of my buddies who runs track. Apparently the normal gatorade bottle (those 32 once squat ones) was originally designed to be dumped into a 5 gallon cooler of water.

This could not be more wrong. The nutritionists at Univ. of Florida who formulated Gatorade in the '60s got it right. The concentration of carbohydrates and electrolytes in the original sports drink have not been significantly improved upon in the nearly 40 years since its introduction.

Jay


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For whatever it's worth, or not:
For many years I worked where I was in daily association with some of the best athletes in the US, including members of the olympic alpine and nordic ski teams, including several medalists; a marathon runner in the olympics, someone who was 3rd in the Boston marathon; and members of what was the best amatuer bicycle team in the country, who at their peak placed well against international pro teams. This bike team had members such as a co-worker I knew well who was captain of the team and Cat.1 national criterium champion, and other team members who's next step into pro had one wearing the yellow jersey in the Tour de france, another finishing in the top 10 in the tour.
These folks each had their own ideas of what to put in their water bottles, and it would change from time to time. Cytomax was a favorite, ERG had an ok reputation, Gatorade was considered less than optimal.
Universally, everyone thought the manufacturers of these potions wanted them mixed too thick. Most common ratio was about twice as much water as the directions indicated.
I don't claim to know anything myself, except what works for me, which is about 1/2 as strong as the directions indicate.
I am not citing any research. I'm just passing along what was actually happening when these guys were filling up their bottles before going on training rides and runs; and what was being said when we were working on bike stands and in the shop next to each other discussing this topic.
It may be worth noting that I live in the very arid western US, and it never crossed my mind to ask these guys if they changed the ratio in a more humid environment.

Oh, a note for the picky. I am not saying that downhill racers are using electrolyte replacement drinks during their events. They do, however, go on some pretty intense training runs and rides, and use them there. I never knew anyone who thought plain water was adequate.
I also don't claim to know how much corellation there is between what is best for rock climbing, as opposed to an endurance aerobic activity such as cross country skiing or bike riding. Probably has more carryover into alpine climbing.


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you can have all the electolytes and crap you like and still be dehydrated. nothing will ever replace water and proper nutrition as the best thing for you.


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Pshaw. Everyone knows that the colors are the important part. Heck with this proportions stuff. Gotta have the yellow gatorade, or it just doesn't work well.


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awilson86 wrote:
you can have all the electolytes and crap you like and still be dehydrated. nothing will ever replace water and proper nutrition as the best thing for you.

Haha now that's funny. too bad electrolytes and carbohydrates (ingredients in gatorade etc) ARE part of a proper diet.


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I go for beer, it does a better job of replenishing my needs.. By the way, don't do this two parts water one part beer crap, it is a lie.


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uncasid wrote:
I go for beer, it does a better job of replenishing my needs.. By the way, don't do this two parts water one part beer crap, it is a lie.
Actually, that's the formula for Rolling Rock. Ever wonder what that "33" is on the bottle? It's the percentage of actual beer.


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So that's why my Guiness has been looking like Bass...


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Are you talking about Gatorade for post-exercise? Because it is completely useless to drink sport drinks while you're just gragging for a few hours or doing a gym session for a couple of hours. Water is all you need and a balanced diet.

Now for post excercise and to speed recovery I can see drinking a sports drink after a LONG DAY OF CLIMBING/HIKING but not a typical cragging session. People who say "it gives them a little boost while climbing" probably aren't eating as good as they should be then.


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Most people here agree that plain gatorade and similars are not the way to go and you should mix with water in some ratio that works for you.

Some other people are saying just plain water is the correct way.

How about coconut water?


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"piton wrote:
stay away from gatorade. look for recharge by the kundson co. with the proper diet all you need is water

HEY THIS GUY WORKS FOR RECHARGE!!!!!!

LOL, JK

IMO, gatorade diluted to that level would have some appreciable effects. During the exercise in question, you don't want to pump the full strength stuff through your system. Sweating so much, you want more water than anything else. My observation has been that I can tell what my body needs. I will drink water first and foremost, but certain times I crave more and gatorade will usually satsify that need that water is unable to fill. I am not sure exactly what it is. I just know that days without any gatorade, I seem to never be able to get enough water. Maybe it is a craving for the sugar, only I know that something is amiss.


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musicman1586 wrote:
Pretty sure about 2 years ago in like Popular Science or some magazine like that they published an article that was supposed to show once and for all that just plain water is better than anything else out there, including gatorade, and since then I've had trouble finding that info, guessing someone got paid to shut up or so, but I remember it was a good read, and in all honesty it does kind of make sense, because were evolved to use the universe's greatest solvent (h20 for those non-science types) most efficiently, it's what were designed to sustain ourself with as is most life on earth, so like I said, think it's logical that such an important thing would be the most important thing in all circumstances.

I disagree.

Ever heard of water poisoning? People on extasy drink 6 to 10 liters of water that changes the balance of their body chemicals and minerals and die?

In a not so extreme situation is my very common condition.
I have low blood pressure. If I sweat my minerals away it will go even lower, I'll feel bad, throw up or even pass out. I'll feel terrible thirst, I'll desire to drink a river of water but If I do drink TOO MUCH water I'll sweat more, produce more urine and feel sick even quicker.

For my long climbs I control myself to drink less water then I think I need. Just a taste of water after each pitch. I don't feel sick, but after a while dehydration starts to kick in I feel very tired.

So if I want to climb then I DO NEED an alternative that keeps me from dehydrate and doesn't make me feel sick. Or I'll just do like other animals in nature, play in the safe side, don't take risks.


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winglessangel wrote:
Most people here agree that plain gatorade and similars are not the way to go and you should mix with water in some ratio that works for you.

Most people are unaware of the numerous scientific experiments that have been conducted to determine the optimal concentrations of sugar and electrolytes in sports drinks, Gatorade in particular.

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How about coconut water?

That was pretty random.

Jay


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jt512 wrote:

winglessangel wrote:
How about coconut water?

That was pretty random.

Jay


not so much...

http://www.living-foods.com/...es/coconutwater.html

Quoting parts of the text:

"Coconut Water is a Natural Isotonic Beverage - The same level we have in our blood.
Coconut water contains more potassium (at about 294 mg) than most sports drinks (117 mg) and most energy drinks.
Coconut water has less sodium (25mg) where sports drinks have around 41mg and energy drinks have about 200 mg!
Coconut water has 5mg of Natural Sugars where sports and energy drinks range from 10-25mg of Altered Sugars.
Coconut water is very high in Chloride at 118mg, compared to sports drinks at about 39mg."



I was just wondering if anyone has experience drinking it during practice of these kind of sports.
Or if anyone knows or heard of an athlet who does.

(and before you imagine someone carrying 10 coconuts in a haulbag I'll alert you that many companies sell it in bottles or tetra packs.)


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winglessangel wrote:
(and before you imagine someone carrying 10 coconuts in a haulbag I'll alert you that many companies sell it in bottles or tetra packs.)

That takes the fun out of it, doesn't it?

Me likes coconut water! Although I've never tried it as a sports drink. I guess it is time to give it a go.

Thanks!

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I'd be curious to see what effect altitude has on all of this. Anyone know anything about this? I just got to thinking that perhaps the necessary electrolytes, sugars, etc may (and probably do) differ based on your environment..


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As a general rule, for walls and most long climbing days I mix gatorade at about 2/3 strength. But I also take about an equal amount of plain ol' water on walls.

Also quite often mix my own "sport drink" from lime crystals, sugar or glucose, sodium chloride and potassium chloride (and water of course).

It makes sense to have a hypotonic balance of electrolytes when treating for dehydration. The addition of glucose or complex sugars is a simple way to maintain blood sugar levels when engaging in activities that don't otherwise permit "refuelling on the run", balanced diet or no.

Hypertonic solutions are not optimum for treatment of dehydration.

For cragging it's some sort of soda with sugar and caffeine.

That said, never, NEVER water down your beer.

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notch wrote:
uncasid wrote:
I go for beer, it does a better job of replenishing my needs.. By the way, don't do this two parts water one part beer crap, it is a lie.
Actually, that's the formula for Rolling Rock. Ever wonder what that "33" is on the bottle? It's the percentage of actual beer.

Been wondering for years WTF the '33' was all about (had a college roomie who swore by RR & Coors Light...I poured a Special Ex into a glass next to a glass of CL & had a good laugh)...thanks for the enlightenment!


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(and before you imagine someone carrying 10 coconuts in a haulbag I'll alert you that many companies sell it in bottles or tetra packs.)

Where's the fun in that??

"Rock!... er, Coconut!"


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I always thought 33 was the percentage of piss in a rolling rock.. it sure tastes like it to me.


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Couldn't find the link, but I have seen fairly credible studies showing that the body absorbs more fluid (water) from a 6% carb solution as compared to plain water.

I have mild hypoglycemia (low blood sugar) and I do much better with a drink that has 6% (complex) carbs and protein. I use Accelerade, and no I don't work for the company. The protein helps keep the blood sugar levels stable. Gatorade gives me low blood sugar bonk if I drink more than a glass full.

I mix most of my drinks 1/2 strength, except after weight training when I need the carb/protein now for recovery.


Accelerade website has some interesting info - http://www.accelerade.com/index_ntscp.html


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I find Gatorade a little strong too. I used to use it when I was laying hardwood floors in hundred degree heat and needed something other than water to replace the salts I was loosing. After around one month, I had a really weird headache and quit drinking the stuff and switched to electrolite pills. Headaches went away.

For anything related to endurance I now use Gookinaid Hydralite. Its amazing stuff. I ran 4 miles after downing almost a liter and didnt cramp. Everyone at the shop I was working at loved the stuff and I was set to disprove them. I got converted instead. BTW it hardly has a flavor, if thats what concerns you.

I usualy use water....unless I am going to be really pushing hard for a long time. Maybe Im just not climbing hard enough.


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Besides mixed drinks, beer and wine is there anything that we as humans like to drink full strength?

I would be willing to bet that if you gave athletes, I was one at a time when dinosaurs walked the earth, a choice of water or Gatoraid after they just worked out they would choose water. What is good for us may not appeal to our taste buds. This is why there are lots of flavors.

There is nothing wrong with drinking a mix of sugars and electrolites (ions that help to carry electrical current) after a work out. In fact, a drink that has an excess of these sugars and electrolytes is exactly what Gatoraid is. Yes, it is true that the original Gatoraid was developed in the 60's in Florida and it is true that the professor that developed it at the time was working with a Doctor to cure schizophrenia.
No dialysis patient ever suffers from it. Neat huh?

The myth: A 32 oz liquid bottle was designed to mix with 5 gal of water.
Fact: If they did design it this way "the company would go broke".


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For recovery just drink chocolate milk
http://www.cbsnews.com/...md/main1342839.shtml


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Half Gatorade half water is the way to go. The only reason Gatorade is sold in full concentration is so that people who don't exorcise can drink it down like soda. But as stated before chocolate milk is the way to go.


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Half Gatorade half water is the way to go. The only reason Gatorade is sold in full concentration is so that people who don't exorcise can drink it down like soda. But as stated before chocolate milk is the way to go.

I'm sorry, but this cannot be more wrong. As I have previously stated, there is a large body of scientific research into the optimal concentrations of carbohydrates and electrolytes in sports drinks, and Gatorade has, and always has had, as close to optimal concentrations as possible.

I challenge each and every one of you who has claimed that diluting gatorade increases its effectiveness for its intended purpose (rehydration for extended periods of high levels of exercise, especially in high temperatures) to present controlled scientific studies to support your claim.

Jay


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I challenge each and every one of you to SEND me a gatorade so I can enjoy its thirst quenching abilities.


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jt512 wrote:
nilregrets wrote:
Half Gatorade half water is the way to go. The only reason Gatorade is sold in full concentration is so that people who don't exorcise can drink it down like soda. But as stated before chocolate milk is the way to go.

I'm sorry, but this cannot be more wrong. As I have previously stated, there is a large body of scientific research into the optimal concentrations of carbohydrates and electrolytes in sports drinks, and Gatorade has, and always has had, as close to optimal concentrations as possible.

I challenge each and every one of you who has claimed that diluting gatorade increases its effectiveness for its intended purpose (rehydration for extended periods of high levels of exercise, especially in high temperatures) to present controlled scientific studies to support your claim.

Jay

Run fifteen miles then try and drink a biottle. Then challenge everyone.


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The problem I have with gatorade isn't the concentration, its the ingredients.
High Fructose Corn Syrup isn't my carb of choice for extended endurance forays. After a while it just sits in my stomach like a rock. I have a much better time with Cytomax.
I usually just drink plain water when I am climbing though.

In reply to:
For recovery just drink chocolate milk
http://www.cbsnews.com/...md/main1342839.shtml

Thats why I hate the news. Most sports drinks are meant to be for recovering, you are suppose to drink them DURING exercise. Obviously chocolate(carbs) milk(protein) will do a better job at recovery than gatorade. Just like my computer is better at playing CDs than my television.

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organic wrote:
I hardly see how this is logical in any sense. why would they waste their money when they could dilute it 1:20 and then sell it to you for the same price?

well, the straight gatorade tastes much better than the watered-down version, and most people who drink gatorade are not high-intensity athletes but weekend warriors who want to feel like (or look like)high-intensity athletes...and because these low-intensity athletes are not working hard enough to burn off all the electrolytes, they end up peeing them out, which makes them more thirsty, which makes them buy more gatorade


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nilregrets wrote:
jt512 wrote:
nilregrets wrote:
Half Gatorade half water is the way to go. The only reason Gatorade is sold in full concentration is so that people who don't exorcise can drink it down like soda. But as stated before chocolate milk is the way to go.

I'm sorry, but this cannot be more wrong. As I have previously stated, there is a large body of scientific research into the optimal concentrations of carbohydrates and electrolytes in sports drinks, and Gatorade has, and always has had, as close to optimal concentrations as possible.

I challenge each and every one of you who has claimed that diluting gatorade increases its effectiveness for its intended purpose (rehydration for extended periods of high levels of exercise, especially in high temperatures) to present controlled scientific studies to support your claim.

Jay

Run fifteen miles then try and drink a biottle. Then challenge everyone.

When I used to run long distances, I did drink Gatorade, mainly during the run. I don't know about a whole bottle. But I always found -- and this is precisely what studies have shown the formulation to promote -- that the formulation increases the amount of fluid that the athlete drinks.

I know that some people insist that subjective perceptions and anecdotes are more reliable than scientifically controlled studies, I just don't understand why.

Jay


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devkrev wrote:
The problem I have with gatorade isn't the concentration, its the ingredients.
High Fructose Corn Syrup isn't my carb of choice for extended endurance forays.

In excess, fructose delays absorption of fluid from the intestine; however, in smaller concentrations, when combined with sucrose or glucose, fructose enhances fluid absorption, which is why gatorade contains some fructose.

Jay


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In reply to:
Run fifteen miles then try and drink a biottle. Then challenge everyone.

This is exactly what the research people at Gatorade do with athletes of multiple skill and intensity levels and perfect every aspect to increase fluid intake, electrolyte replacement etc etc..

but yea.. keep aruging with the nutritionist and scientists at gatorade..

National Athletic Trainers Association's Position Statement from the Journal of Athletic Training. though none of you will read it since it actually has accredited sources.
http://www.nata.org/statements/position/fluidreplacement.pdf

http://www.gssiweb.com/ Gatorade's research site


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"an ingestion rate of 1 g/min [of carbohydrates] maintains optimal carbohydrate metabolism: for example, 1 L of a 6% CHO drink per hour"

so chugging a liter of gatorade after a long hard pitch isn't as effective as drinking it slowly (or, I dunno, perhaps diluting it?)

The article you provided also says plenty about athletes customizing their sports drinks, which says to me that maybe gatorade isn't the perfect blend for everyone.


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what about chocolate milk?

http://www.tricities.com/...2006-12-27-0017.html

see #49

Also:

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/524370


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next time out I'm taking a big glass of chocolate milk and a coconut...


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jt512 wrote:
devkrev wrote:
The problem I have with gatorade isn't the concentration, its the ingredients.
High Fructose Corn Syrup isn't my carb of choice for extended endurance forays.

In excess, fructose delays absorption of fluid from the intestine; however, in smaller concentrations, when combined with sucrose or glucose, fructose enhances fluid absorption, which is why gatorade contains some fructose.

Jay

That might be the case, but gatorade still gives me "tummy aches" where other sports drinks I have tried do not. I'm just giving personal real world experience, trust me, I wouldn't try to go toe to toe with you on the science of it all.

dev


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While taking a "Backcountry Emergency Care" class the instructor told us the same as the original poster. That gatorade should be mixed with at least as much water.
I also have used the powder form while working on commercial fishing boats and found the flavor much too strong following there mix ratio.


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jt512 wrote:
I know that some people insist that subjective perceptions and anecdotes are more reliable than scientifically controlled studies, I just don't understand why.

Because they don't want to let facts get in the way of what they want to believe.


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jakedatc wrote:
National Athletic Trainers Association's Position Statement from the Journal of Athletic Training. though none of you will read it since it actually has accredited sources.
http://www.nata.org/statements/position/fluidreplacement.pdf

i find it funny that the paper you provided simply does not support your point at all. I know at least one person that didn't actually read it...


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Jay you should know better that high fructose corn syrup is just horrible for the human body.

think about the sodium potassium atpase pump and what gets pumped into the cells K+ and out of the cell Na+


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In reply to:
Universally, everyone thought the manufacturers of these potions wanted them mixed too thick. Most common ratio was about twice as much water as the directions indicated.

I'm not a champion at the level of the people pastprime was mentioning, but i've done a lot of testing on myself while mountain biking, and i've had some similar results.

I've used gatorade, gu2o, and accelerade. accelerade is what i'm currently using, but gu2o also worked about as well, and slightly better than gatorade.

My testing was done over the course of half a year riding in different conditions. I rode as fast as i felt i could maintain under the conditions. The trail i usually ride takes about 2 hours to complete a lap.
Using straight water, i get muscle cramping that starts usually around an hour in. I end up having to take breaks to rest, and allow my body to recover.
With all of the sports drinks, i get muscle cramping which sets in somewhere between 1:15 and 1:45 into the ride when the drink is mixed at the manufacturers spec.
This can be significantly improved by decreasing the concentration of drink mix/water. (i can usually go 1/2-1 hour longer before cramping using diuted sports drinks)
For me the optimal concentration seems to be around 2/3-3/4 of the recommended concentration. this almost always allows me to finish my rides without bonking, and without severe cramping towards the end of the ride.
I've tried as low as 1/2 of the recommended dosage, and while that worked better than water, I usually felt drained toward the end of the ride.

If my conditioning was better it's possible that the optimal concentration of liquid/carbs could be different. I only trained/did cardio 4-6 hours a week during the period i'm referring to

These results aren't truly scientific, but they're the best thing i've got to go on, as they apply directly to me under the harshest conditions i can muster on a regular basis. It's what works for me.

As for climbing, i've never had big problems with dehydration affecting my abilities. it doesn't seem to be as intense(over the course of a day) as endurance running or cycling. Although i've gotten mildly dehydrated from not drinking enough water, i've never "bonked" from a day of cragging.
I usually carry ~1/2 gallon water, and a quart of gatorade, as well as a few snacks with me for a day of cragging and have never had any problems.


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c22 wrote:
I too find gatorade to be somewhat lacking, but it seems to me that adding a little pharmaceutical grade cocaine does the trick just fine.



ahhh my first laugh this morning... thank you


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