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roflcakes
Feb 22, 2007, 4:03 PM
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Ok, I watched specimen, and those dumb ass front range locals, should not be allowed to practice bouldering. They are in for the "asthetics" , OMG, go to hell. They are all pissed cause they can't climb anything badder than v8. So none of the climbs were rated, and PLUS, the best boulderer ever, Fred Nichole, was only in it for like two seconds, other than that it was just a bunch of dumb ass "new age" , "find myself in bouldering", "new york bullshit". If any of you have bought this bouldering video, I feel bad for you, if you like it, call up a dood, cuz you might be gay.
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twaikker
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well i dont now if i totally agree with you on this one.
ceder wright.....dude is so openly flamboant, this was obviously his coming out moment
lisa rands....yeah trying to explain bouldering like we are all third graders is anoying, and im pretty sure she wants to deflower daniel woods..."he is soo easy to talk to" yeah what she realy wanted to say is "he likes to cuddle after we sesh, he is burl but has emotions"
daniel woods...ok so the dude is burl, get off his nuts. i mean who the hell is a 16 kid going to be more "enlightend" in the bouldering world than someome like nicole? i hate this society for that main reason, so new kid on the block has all the answers...umm no he is just strong as hell and wont really improve for the rest of his life (ie look at all the badasses, all the really do is maintain form)
fred nicole...dude is a mutant....so why the hell did they not film his send worth a shit? he sends witness the fitness, no footage, he sends espransa no pics or footage, he sends V15-V16's all over the world and no footage, and then there is a DVD with him in it? i was pumped, but like cheap coke i was dissapointed.
in the end what got from the flick was it was marketed towards noobs and idiots that no nothing about climbing, and so ceder could come out (im pretty sure his boyfriend was the producer).
now im not dissing him for coming out, thats whatever, but do i need to buy a $20 DVD to see that? quit publicizing it, quit writing books about it, its gettting old. wake up and just look in the mirror and be like "so i do dudes, and im not going to be in denial about it".....but dont go out and find a publicist and make a book, or a DVD about it, your not the first or the last gay man to do that, its getting cliche.
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nthusiastj
Feb 22, 2007, 4:35 PM
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AAH... Boulderers.
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dhaulagiri
Feb 22, 2007, 7:27 PM
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Andy Raether is at my gym all week and he is showing the movie this weekend. I have only seen the trailer and all the talking and pontificating about random bullshit seemed a bit over the top but I will give it a chance when I watch it.
I think in general climbing films are probably more like porn movies in that less talking is usually better...
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dlintz
Feb 22, 2007, 7:37 PM
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dhaulagiri wrote: I think in general climbing films are probably more like porn movies in that less talking is usually better...
....which is exactly why you'll be disappointed with Specimen.
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dhaulagiri
Feb 22, 2007, 7:53 PM
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dlintz wrote: dhaulagiri wrote: I think in general climbing films are probably more like porn movies in that less talking is usually better... ....which is exactly why you'll be disappointed with Specimen. d.
I have a feeling you will be right. It was a bad sign when the trailer was almost exclusively interviews and very little climbing.
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adklimber
Feb 22, 2007, 8:06 PM
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dhaulagiri wrote: but I will give it a chance when I watch it.
Don't do it!!!!!!!
Good call on Fred N. Why isn't he in every climbing vid ever made!?!?!?!?
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dhaulagiri
Feb 22, 2007, 8:09 PM
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adklimber wrote: dhaulagiri wrote: but I will give it a chance when I watch it. Don't do it!!!!!!! Good call on Fred N. Why isn't he in every climbing vid ever made!?!?!?!?
I think it is probably on purpose that Fred is always one step ahead of the crowds with cameras repeating and bashing the grading of his FA's
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asc_climb
Feb 22, 2007, 9:21 PM
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fred most likely just does not want to be filmed...i bet he doesnt want the uncormfortable god worship sharma and graham get.
The film is good for number of reasons.
ya see some people climb for...you guessed it...the aestetics. I understand some people climb for the grade (i am guilty myself), but there is something about watching some of the most badass boulders on easy stuff just for the sake of climbing.
The movie is not advertized as a dosage "watch people send stuff you cant get off the ground on" video. It is a journy of self discovery. Cedar Wright (yes he is quite and excited person) finds a deeper meaning in a "sport" he enjoys. If anyone out there is climbing cause its cool, or it makes them look bad w/ their shirt off...well then ofcourse you wont like the video.
Why watch a video like a porn...you watch amazing climbs from these guys who then are treated like celebs by people who have never met, or know anything about them other than they can send.
get off other peoples nuts...watch better videos...and climb for something more than your self.
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dlintz
Feb 22, 2007, 9:35 PM
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asc_climb wrote: Why watch a video like a porn...you watch amazing climbs from these guys who then are treated like celebs by people who have never met, or know anything about them other than they can send. get off other peoples nuts...watch better videos...and climb for something more than your self.
What constitutes "better videos" is subjective and there's not a climber out that I worship.
It's okay if you prefer single X climbing porn.........I'll take triple X thanks. 
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adklimber
Feb 22, 2007, 9:42 PM
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asc_climb wrote: fred most likely just does not want to be filmed...i bet he doesnt want the uncormfortable god worship sharma and graham get. The film is good for number of reasons. ya see some people climb for...you guessed it...the aestetics. I understand some people climb for the grade (i am guilty myself), but there is something about watching some of the most badass boulders on easy stuff just for the sake of climbing. The movie is not advertized as a dosage "watch people send stuff you cant get off the ground on" video. It is a journy of self discovery. Cedar Wright (yes he is quite and excited person) finds a deeper meaning in a "sport" he enjoys. If anyone out there is climbing cause its cool, or it makes them look bad w/ their shirt off...well then ofcourse you wont like the video. Why watch a video like a porn...you watch amazing climbs from these guys who then are treated like celebs by people who have never met, or know anything about them other than they can send. get off other peoples nuts...watch better videos...and climb for something more than your self.
Right...like watching this movie and actually liking it means I'm a "real" rock climber and a better person. This movie makes me want to get away from the climbing culture that takes the sport too seriously and over analyzes everything.
I'm going to go boulder an "aestetic" line now.
oh yah, and I am sure Fred would just hate to be "god worshipped".
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Feb 22, 2007, 11:09 PM
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It's usually pretty easy to make awesome trailers for even the worst films so when I saw the awful trailers for this it was pretty easy to decide against having any interest in seeing the whole thing. From the trailers the film seemed poorly shot (way too dark and way too many wide shots) and extremely pretentious (which is often what happens when you ask people deep questions and they try to provide "deep" responses - 3rd grade crap-poetry). From what I've read here, I'm glad I haven't suffered the indignity of the full specimen.
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Creek_Nostalgia
Feb 23, 2007, 5:27 AM
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it seems easy for everyone to criticize... i also suffered through this movie. Its slow and has a lot of dialog. But i do commend them for trying to get a different perspective on the sport.
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dlintz
Feb 23, 2007, 5:32 AM
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Creek_Nostalgia wrote: it seems easy for everyone to criticize... i also suffered through this movie. Its slow and has a lot of dialog. But i do commend them for trying to get a different perspective on the sport.
Point taken.
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Feb 23, 2007, 6:09 AM
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While it wasn't very enjoyable, it struck me that if I wanted to hear climbers pontificate about how spiritual climbing can be, I'd buy my friends an eighth and some beer. When I go see a climbing movie, typically I expect super sick moves, not self discovery. Of course, I'm always down for a good documentary, and that might've been what Chuck was going for. Still not impressed by this one though.
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zip_ty
Feb 23, 2007, 10:07 PM
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I enjoyed the movie. It certainly wasn't my favorite climbing movie but, aside from all the talking, it wasn't bad. I enjoyed watching the bonus features with the director climbing as well.
I'd much rather watch people climb easier routes for fun. I get into it more. There's more to climbing than sending 5.14. Even the best climbers have to have fun sometime.
I was very happy to see a movie that wasn't like every other stupid climbing movie out there. To me, watching people send the hardest routes in the world gets old very quickly. I know I can't do them so it doesn't mean much to me that someone else can. I'd rather watch people having fun on routes that I could do.
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adklimber
Feb 23, 2007, 10:28 PM
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zip_ty wrote: aside from all the talking, it wasn't bad.
That is the point...aside from the talking there was very little climbing.
No one is complaining about the climbing in the movie, we are all bitching about the lack there of.
Do you assume we all want to see 5.14+ climbing in all vids? No one here is complaing about Return To Sender, which shows old guys climbing 5.11 cracks...it was great!
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dhaulagiri
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I have to say that after watching the movie I don't really understand all the negative critiques. Sure, it was a bit different from most climbing movies in that there weren't numbers flying across the screen, but there was still hard sending going on if you knew anything about the problems featured. I thought the movie was well filmed and I liked the whole storyline idea.
The segments of narrative and talking really weren't that over the top I didn't think. I thought for the most part the actual visuals were very well done although I would have liked more closeups of the holds as they were climbing.
Overall I would say that it is definitely one of the better climbing movies that I have seen.
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Feb 26, 2007, 8:22 PM
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It was a good movie just it was not shot in the same way that most bouldering videos are done. They showed the movement of the problem not the holds themselves most of the time. In Dosage you see the holds and in this Specimen you see the whole entire problem. The talking was a little much but some parts of the talking was good, but most of it was... there.
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dhaulagiri
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That was the one thing I missed. When you are watching a super strong climber do a boulder from a wide angle you really can't tell if the problem is V4 or V14 if you don't have any idea how big the holds are.
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scottyg
Feb 26, 2007, 8:26 PM
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i got this movie for Christmas and the intro of the movie had all that weird science stuff and made it look like it was gonna be the best climbing movie ever. i agree that there was too much talking about climbing and not enough climbing but all those climbers were really good besides cedar. there was probably more of cedar climbing than everyone else combined and everyone else was so much more fun to watch.
my opinion: cedar ruined the movie
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dhaulagiri
Feb 26, 2007, 8:28 PM
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Yeah, Cedar rubbed me the wrong way too. He is in a short video at momentumvm.com doing the FA of some route at Indian Creek and he comes off as a tool basically.
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roflcakes
Feb 27, 2007, 3:21 PM
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YEAH BUT I WATCHED KEHL AND HE IS SICK!!!
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One thing worth checking out on the DVD is the bonus menu. There is a short 10 minute film in there of Chuck, and it has him working on a pretty nice V13, or I think it was a V13, and some decent Dyno problems, and they show the holds much closer and show a higher level of climbing, and the ratio to climbing to talking is better than the actual film itself.
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twaikker
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yeah thats cool and all, but chuck was a selfish little noob and showing only him in the extras section. leave the self promotion for youtube....
ceder is the worst thing to ever happen to the climbing comunity that i have ever seen, i would rather climb on a chipped 5.9 then have to hang out or worse, hear his high pitches fairy ass voice after topping out a V0...
the movie sucks, ceder sucks, chuck sucks for his petty attempt of self promotion, and asc climber really sucks at topping out V6's (well only V6, cause he only has one under his scrawny little belt)
hurray for squirrel fingers
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dhaulagiri
Feb 28, 2007, 6:10 PM
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Were they the same problems that were on bouldering.com? I didn't get a chance to check out the extras.
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dhaulagiri
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1.5 out of 5 stars in Rock & Ice
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Some things to think about:
1. It was the most beautiful location i have ever seen and the digital grading was on par with big hollywood productions
2. Grades r dum
3. The routes were HARD --- very hard.
4. Ceder wright is a badass. To say a climber is gay because hes eccentric is like saying your 5 because you still live with your parents and your mom makes you dinner every night :D Cosa Nosta, numerous 5.11+ solos.... good luck getting a strong plastic puller to do that.
When i watch climbing movies its really on in the background, something i can look at and go "oh cool." They talked about their ascents minutes after a send, most climbing films ar elike sex, climbclimbclimbclimbCLIMBCLIMBCLIMBBAM!! FA!!!!11111 /start credits. It's nice to see the ideas and the reasoning from some of the best.
3.5/5 stars in my opinion.. could be a bit better, but its no "friction addiction"
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dhaulagiri
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I would agree that the scenery was spectacular.
I'm not sure if this was just the way we had out speakers setup but did you notice a lot of sound in the video from the climbers' shoes scraping up the wall while they were climbing?
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Finally someone hit on the technical flaw. Mr. Fryberger at least spared us base jumping and slacklining. I doubt many people(including the major sponsors) would disagree that the filming was impeccable but the artistic direction would have been better placed on someone with a better chance of success on an experimental film. Yea, Cedar came off as pretty ghey in the self centered world of perceived image we call a bouldering community. Go over to the taco and ask Ninov if he has a problem curling up next to the guy on a wall. Really draw him out with language that is sure to get a reaction. USE YOUR REAL NAME.
I think that the attempt to capitalize on the hip trading places theme was taken in the completely ass backward direction anyone with sense would have taken it. Put some drugged up boulderer on a trad trip and watch the hijinks when his stash runs out a few thousand feet above the floor. Meaning, anyone familiar with the Black Hills video knows he can boulder. Throw the neccesary money at him if he pushes out of his comfort level (sorry boyo you don't get to costar)and puts a midpitch V12 in the can at high altitude. He gets the chance to play with the beauty of the grand scale and ultimately makes a movie with enough geekery (porn) and substance(boulderer moved to vocalize intelligent thought) we end up with a HD movie most of our family can sit through enjoyably.
Maybe I just think the joint smoking boulderer would reawaken the lifeblood of the trad world. I miss the idea of Chongo.
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It was the most horrendous thing I have ever seen. The film quality and cinematography were terrible, the dialogue was painfully boring, the story was stupid, Cedar came off as a retard, etc, etc. I saw absolutely no redeeming factors in this film. The fact the scenery was nice had nothing to do with the filmmaker. I walked out after about 3/4 of the movie. I seriously couldn't take it anymore.
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twaikker
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chainsaw....you wrote your disgust for this film better than me!! thank you....i was wondering when someone was going to go out and say it was top ten worst films of all time, hell its in the top 3!!
one thing that keeps coming up in all these replys is: the movie sucks serious ass, and ceder is pretty much the queerest person to ever live. and that might need to be restated, cause im sure there is some gay dude out there that is way cooler than ceder.
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My favorite remembrance of the only time I sat through it in its entireity. Someone dutifully notices DW's profanity laden screams are censored. After extinguishing his phallic rage he lays on the ground moaning the defeat of his advances. Whatever else it is, there are no angry fucks in this movie. not a one.
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dhaulagiri wrote: adklimber wrote: dhaulagiri wrote: but I will give it a chance when I watch it. Don't do it!!!!!!! Good call on Fred N. Why isn't he in every climbing vid ever made!?!?!?!? I think it is probably on purpose that Fred is always one step ahead of the crowds with cameras repeating and bashing the grading of his FA's
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