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miavzero
Feb 25, 2007, 5:39 AM
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No, we are Americans, defending freedom from evildoers.
Support our climbers.
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live2climb
Feb 25, 2007, 3:40 PM
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if we support the climbers and not the climbs we will have nothing to climb on. Their I go trying to post on this fourm thingy again!!
I climb at the creek because if is a complete chose pile all the cracks suck the gear is really hard to place hardly any lines you have to hike up a really far talis field, come to think of it i should just go to the valley would be a lot more fun.
thats it the creek sucks so just go to the valley
that will work
O and their is not that much climbing in Utah either
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curt
Feb 25, 2007, 8:09 PM
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quiteatingmysteak wrote: Live2climb has a really important point, and it would be a good idea for people visiting to think about their impact. However, he may not be the best to verbalize it...
That's somewhat of an understatement. Perhaps Mal said it best...
maldaly wrote: I thinks it's important to remember that bouldering at the Creek has been around just as long as climbing has. In the late 70's and early 80s, when we'd camp down in the cottonwoods right across the road from Think Pink or drive into Fringe of Death Canyon, we'd spend tons of time bouldering. While we didn't go there to boulder, bouldering was an important part of the experience just as it was when we'd go to the Valley. It's hard to beat the boulders in FOD canyon. All that said, live2climb has an important point. We need to be very sensitive to the impacts we all have when climbing, camping driving and shitting. The Creek has seemed to be a bit beyond it's capacity in the last few seasons and we need to honor and respect that in everything we do there. Tread lightly, my friends. Mal
I think we can all agree that this is a reasonable advice.
Curt
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bler
Feb 28, 2007, 9:42 PM
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live2climb wrote: First of all, WHY? Why are you doing this? I think we have enuff problems (NO PUN) without people bouldering right off the main road on private property with loads of white chalk. WTF!!!! I understand you want to boulder but please just go to big bend neer moab if ya want to boulder. Their has been a lot of new activity with bouldering in the creek and i think it should stop, we dont need to mess up the land any more that we already do. And if you MUST boulder at least have the decency to leave your chalk at home. it looks so bad on the boulders stands out so much and in a place like indian creek, bouldering has no place along with white chalk. IMHO
what a hypocrite.. ooh so route climbers are allowed to climb there, but boulderers are not..
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knieveltech
Feb 28, 2007, 10:15 PM
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bler wrote: live2climb wrote: First of all, WHY? Why are you doing this? I think we have enuff problems (NO PUN) without people bouldering right off the main road on private property with loads of white chalk. WTF!!!! I understand you want to boulder but please just go to big bend neer moab if ya want to boulder. Their has been a lot of new activity with bouldering in the creek and i think it should stop, we dont need to mess up the land any more that we already do. And if you MUST boulder at least have the decency to leave your chalk at home. it looks so bad on the boulders stands out so much and in a place like indian creek, bouldering has no place along with white chalk. IMHO what a hypocrite.. ooh so route climbers are allowed to climb there, but boulderers are not..
I think the point here that some folks seem to be overlooking would be the very simple concept of chalk caked hands + rock = eyesore. It doesn't much matter what variation of the act of moving from point a to point b over rock the hand's owner is engaged in, the results are the same. In other words, all climbers should take appropriate steps to minimize their visible impact. This includes not marking up the area with chalk (and lets face it, between the chalk substitutes and coloured chalk, this should be a no brainer at least as far as marking holds are concerned), not shitting in the middle of a hiking path, and other common sense approaches to outdoor activity.
My two cents.
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bler
Feb 28, 2007, 11:19 PM
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knieveltech wrote: I think the point here that some folks seem to be overlooking would be the very simple concept of chalk caked hands + rock = eyesore. It doesn't much matter what variation of the act of moving from point a to point b over rock the hand's owner is engaged in, the results are the same. In other words, all climbers should take appropriate steps to minimize their visible impact. This includes not marking up the area with chalk (and lets face it, between the chalk substitutes and coloured chalk, this should be a no brainer at least as far as marking holds are concerned), not shitting in the middle of a hiking path, and other common sense approaches to outdoor activity. My two cents.
aw come on, do you really expect people to think about someone besides themselves?
"i'm a route climber, boulderers suck"
"i can shit in this hole, no one else will"
"no one will see this garbage i'm leaving"
"no one will see these huge fucking ticks i left"
"i can climb here, but no one else can!"
isn't it funny how others care so much about how someone effects them, but do not have any realization about how they effect someone else.
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angry
Feb 28, 2007, 11:44 PM
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I wouldn't boulder at IC, it just seems silly. Do it if you want though. You should be careful what you smash with your pads though.
I also believe that people should use colored chalk there. I'm going on 2 years of using no chalk whatsoever there, and I don't climb easy routes. Simply put, you don't need chalk there. If you believe that you need it, that it, you just believe that you need it.
Finally, I really hate the arguement that other users cause impact therefore you have the right to cause impact. NO YOU DON'T!!! It's mine and yours and everyone else's responsibility to keep our impact at a minimum everywhere we go. Just because someone is careless or ignorant does not give you the open door to be just as careless. How is this even debatable?
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knieveltech
Mar 1, 2007, 2:36 AM
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A solid statement. Impact isn't a debatable issue. Impact is THE reason access gets pulled (see also Arches, et al.).
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sidepull
Mar 1, 2007, 3:00 AM
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angry wrote: I wouldn't boulder at IC, it just seems silly.
But there are gorgeous boulders there just like there are beautiful boulders in Yosemite.
angry wrote: I also believe that people should use colored chalk there.
I think people should always use colored chalk - chalk is an eyesore to any non-climber and we, as a climbing community, should really re-think our
(ab)use of chalk.
angry wrote: Finally, I really hate the arguement that other users cause impact therefore you have the right to cause impact. NO YOU DON'T!!!
I think the argument of the OP was almost the opposite: just because I climb there doesn't mean you should or, stated in another way, the impact of trad climbing is not as important as the impact of bouldering (which may be true).
But you assertion is correct - we (the climbing community) really should do a better job of policing ourselves and limiting, minimizing, and repairing our impact whether we boulder, climb cracks, or hang on hooks.
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unrooted
Mar 1, 2007, 3:25 AM
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Where are the boulders, I would go there more if I Just new where to find the boulders.
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