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chossmonkey
May 6, 2007, 1:18 AM
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Dear n00bs,
I do really appreciate you leaving your gear behind for me, but far to often it is crap that I wouldn't make my worst enemy climb on. Robot cams, Smiley nuts, cheap biners. What are you thinking when you buy this stuff? Most of it ends up in a box in my basement if not the garbage.
Also, when you come up to a piece of gear another n00b got stuck and has left behind, LEAVE IT THE FUCK ALONE!! All you will do is wreck it. When someone with the skills to remove it comes along the piece will be garbage because it has been beat to death by someone who doesn't know WTF is going on. Honestly its not going to just pop out so just leave it. If it was just a bail piece you would be rapping off it too. This also goes for pieces of your gear too. If you can't place it with out getting it stuck what chance do you have of getting it out? Leave it in good condition so it can be removed by someone who knows how to do it without wrecking it. When you beat up a piece nobody wins.
Please do your part to keep our landfills free of climbing gear that is unsuitable for use.
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tanner
May 6, 2007, 2:24 AM
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All noobs should after buying TR gear purchase a Hilti! Cracks should have at least one rap station every 5' to make bailing easyer and cheaper. It is the responsabilaty of all noobs to do this work of service for the climbing community. It isn't fair to expect the first ascentist to do all the work. Further more the every bolt placed = 1 less mangled cam Choss monkey has to dispose of.
Edited for typo
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notch
May 6, 2007, 2:36 AM
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It's posts like this that make me miss the ability to award trophies.
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moose_droppings
May 6, 2007, 2:54 AM
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Why waste time retrieving crap.
I call them leeverites.
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stymingersfink
May 6, 2007, 3:28 AM
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fecking n00bs, always leaving their gear lying around, cluttering up placements.
keep up the good work, n00b!
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moose_droppings
May 6, 2007, 3:33 AM
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When they ain't in my fecking way I'm feking leaving them.
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caughtinside
May 7, 2007, 5:27 PM
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We have got to do something about these n00bs!
Maybe we could cull them, or something? before it is too late??
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moose_droppings
May 7, 2007, 7:35 PM
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I guess we don't have a big problem around the Hills here with mank plugging up our routes. But then we don't reinforce laziness by cleaning up their mank for them, make them get it and they learn.
Rarely do I see fixed pro at the places where I climb. Just as bolts are junk to me along side of cracks, I don't take them either if they're not in my way. I don't want them. Not my biz telling others what to do if it doesn't effect me. But leave a nice working piece that I can use, I'll take the time to booty it.
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j_ung
May 7, 2007, 8:02 PM
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Good stuff, Nathan!
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richardvg03
May 7, 2007, 8:07 PM
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I wonder if other sports players sit around and talk about their sport the way ya'll talk about "your sport"? I can just see a professional baseball player sitting in the stands at a T-ball game, "These damn T-ball players don't know shit about baseball! Look at they way they swing the bat! I can't believe that kid just threw his glove down like that!" HAHAHA
Why don't ya'll teach us enstead of complaining about us. I think it'd help both of us and promote the sport as well.
Think positive guys!! 
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dynosore
May 7, 2007, 8:20 PM
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if you think smiley nuts are junk, maybe YOU'RE the NOOB!
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skinnyclimber
May 7, 2007, 8:20 PM
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dynosore wrote: if you think smiley nuts are junk, maybe YOU'RE the NOOB!
OOOHHHHHHHHH take that!!
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zeke_sf
May 7, 2007, 8:25 PM
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richardvg03 wrote: I wonder if other sports players sit around and talk about their sport the way ya'll talk about "your sport"? I can just see a professional baseball player sitting in the stands at a T-ball game, "These damn T-ball players don't know shit about baseball! Look at they way they swing the bat! I can't believe that kid just threw his glove down like that!" HAHAHA Why don't ya'll teach us enstead of complaining about us. I think it'd help both of us and promote the sport as well. Think positive guys!!
Yeah, well a professional ball player gets so much money and "action" thrown his way he probably doesn't give a shit. Here you got all these guys that, no matter how well they do, they will never get the $, respect, and various other accoutrements of the big baller. So have a little respect for your cynical and unappreciated elders, nOOb! Or don't! It's actually more fun that way
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Adk
May 7, 2007, 10:32 PM
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chossmonkey wrote: Dear n00bs, Most of it ends up in a box in my basement if not the garbage.
I know there might be an extra fee but any chance you will send me your junk that is in your basement so that I can sort through it to determine if it's junk or not?
I'll then determine if it belongs in a landfill or not and then I will send it to a NY landfill and not to a Canadian landfill . Shoot me a pm for my address.
I do understand exactly what you mean but am never
fortunate enough to find this stuff, garbage or not. Expecting a PM I am...LMBO
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richardvg03
May 7, 2007, 10:40 PM
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oldsalt wrote: I'll bet that the "vets" bad-mouth the "rookies" in darts or hog calling. Fecking piglets!
We're not rookies though... haha we're more like tee-ball players... It'd be nice if somebody would show us how to swing the bat ;)
p.s. you call hogs?? I do too! Me and my brother actually do competitions... and we have no problem showing people how blow a call ;)
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bent_gate
May 7, 2007, 11:12 PM
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caughtinside wrote: We have got to do something about these n00bs! Maybe we could cull them, or something? before it is too late??
What do think CCH is trying to do! All you have to do is recomend Aliens to all n00bs. "Oh yeah man, use those Aliens for all of your placements. Go out and get a couple sets." CCH has been a silent partner of the Cull the n00b plan for a while now.
I'd sooner whip on a number 1 (2kN) Smiley with an REI keychain biner than even rest on an Alien. They only weaken some of them so it's not too noticeable to the n00bs... They're trying to save the sport...
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desertdude420
May 7, 2007, 11:29 PM
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This is a silly argument. The reason all climbing gear is so expensive is because it all has to pass the same stringent standardized safety tests before it can be put into production. Are you saying that some companies don't test their products?! C'mon man! Any free biner is just as safe as the other, certain brands of harnesses don't fail more than others, etc...
Just don't buy anything home-made and you'll be fine!
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Valarc
May 7, 2007, 11:39 PM
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desertdude420 wrote: The reason all climbing gear is so expensive is because it all has to pass the same stringent standardized safety tests before it can be put into production.
Hell, I'm a dyed in the wool n00b, and even I know that CCH has had tons of quality control problems with their aliens, with plenty of documented instances of the cams falling apart like a hollywood marriage. They recalled the things once, and from the discussions going on now about post-recall failures, I doubt too many people would be surprised to see another recall.
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desertdude420
May 7, 2007, 11:46 PM
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Valarc wrote: desertdude420 wrote: The reason all climbing gear is so expensive is because it all has to pass the same stringent standardized safety tests before it can be put into production. Hell, I'm a dyed in the wool n00b, and even I know that CCH has had tons of quality control problems with their aliens, with plenty of documented instances of the cams falling apart like a hollywood marriage. They recalled the things once, and from the discussions going on now about post-recall failures, I doubt too many people would be surprised to see another recall.
Just my point. CCH Aliens are widely trusted with cult-like reverence by expert aid climbers around the world. Why do you think that every other company has tried to make "the next best alien?" Look at BD, thier new "zeros" are designed to compete with the aliens. Product loyalty is a rookie move. Gear is way more similar than different... quality speaking! That's why climbing gear will never be sold in discount stores.... like tents and camp chairs!
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Valarc
May 7, 2007, 11:54 PM
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Ah, yes... I suppose I missed your point completely. I guess I'm going to have to be culled now :(
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desertdude420
May 8, 2007, 12:11 AM
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Don't cull yourself. Just don't worry that "gear nazis" are going to get you next time you're at the local crag because you don't have the same damn widgets that they use!
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rocknice2
May 8, 2007, 12:46 AM
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desertdude420 wrote: This is a silly argument. The reason all climbing gear is so expensive is because it all has to pass the same stringent standardized safety tests
In reality climbing gear is cheap. Many many parts make up a cam. Some parts require multiple operation to manufacture. All of which need to be assembled. Then quality controlled, this step is relatively small part of the hole process.
A $60. cam - retail markup - transport = not much
$200. for Oakley sunglasses is expensive
Be glad we don't pay high performance bicycle prices
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desertdude420
May 8, 2007, 12:51 AM
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ALL climbing gear is quality. That's why you'll never find it at wal-mart.
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