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rrrADAM
Oct 5, 2002, 4:51 AM
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That's the point I'm trying to make. If we plan for those dates over the Holliday, and more than 20 people show up, it'll be a miracle if we all get a site there.
More prudent to plan for a big one in Mid December or Early January.
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addiroids
Oct 5, 2002, 5:23 AM
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So I've read all the thread, and I kind of have to agree with Adam's last post. You will not be able to find a ton of spots together (or at all) in HVCG between Christmas and New Years.
Here's another thing you have to look at: Besides camping, there will be an absolute ass-load of people (climbers) there at that time day tripping or not, and all the "good" routes will have lines. Now I don't wait in lines to climb (I find something near by) and I would hate for our gathering to even remotely suck due to too many people.
So I propose that the formal gathering be mid December. Usually people get out of college in mid Dec (Friday is 12/13 and 12/20). So let's hope that it is the 13th, and plan for something that weekend wrapping around to the next weekend (Dec 13 - Dec 23rd). Us locals could get there early (12/12/02) and claim some spots for the weekend and here's the other kicker...
The people who come out the 23rd can just take over the spots for New Years so we will be all set up for New Years without the pressure of having a real gathering then. I will probably just be there over long weekends (thurs night to mon night) due to my exorbitantly high medical school loan payments and car payments creating the need to actually work my butt off during Tues - Thurs if the weekends are for climbing.
And remember, last year was just the start of the Yosemite-fication of J-Tree. The Tool will be really watching parking and other antics in an attempt to make HVCG a pay site to fund their "wildlife management" (see the oxymoron) projects (hell, they moved Intersection Rock to the opposite side of the road!).
Not to be cynical, but I think there will be much less pressure if we pick a quieter time for the real gathering, and then just let us bums stay on for New Years.
And let's keep in mind why we started climbing...to have something to do the few moments of the day while we are sober.
TRADitionally yours,
Cali Dirtbag
[ This Message was edited by: addiroids on 2002-10-04 22:24 ]
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climber1
Oct 5, 2002, 5:39 AM
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I vote for mid December
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nikegirl
Oct 6, 2002, 4:47 AM
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I need solid dates.
As well, as I need my life to become a little more solid.
hmmmmmmmm?
December? Prolly my most busy time of year, for work.
or
JOSH
ugh.
No January, eh???
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curt
Oct 6, 2002, 5:05 AM
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addiroids,
FYI, they did not actually move intersection rock. They moved the road. I have a couple of other additional observations to offer:
1) I don't see why RC would necessarily need to camp at Hidden Valley campground. there are many other campgrounds, and I think, in fact that Ryan for one is nicer. Belle is nice too--and everything is within a 20 minute drive or so from everything else.
2) What about getting a "group camp" site, such as those offered at Sheep Pass? That is also a central area, and you can reserve the group sites for far more people.
Just a few thoughts,
Curt
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pbcowboy77
Oct 6, 2002, 6:17 AM
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O.K. what do you think about this... Jan 17th to the 19th and we can climb for my
B-day? (it's the18th) The only thing is I turn 25 and I had teachers in highschool tell me I was going to be dead by the time I'm 25, so I could fall to my death on the 17th So that's my idea.
Climb safe and don't drive angry
-Zac
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crazywacky
Oct 6, 2002, 6:26 AM
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I see the point about New years and all..but I'm kinda stuck going out then.
The kids have to be back in school (High School and College) on the 6th of Jan. :-(
So you guys have fun, and if anybody wants to come out with, you're more than welcome..
I'll prolly stay in Indian Cove...might even make reservations. or maybe even at one of the campgrounds in town...but I think most of those sites are for people that live there.
Oh Well...whatever works.
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stick233
Oct 6, 2002, 7:03 AM
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17th to 19th sounds cool to me zac, i'll probably try to get there in december too, so i'll let you know. how cold is it there in january? us desert rats might lose a finger or toe if it gets below, say, 90.
rob
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rrrADAM
Oct 6, 2002, 11:18 PM
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'curt'... Paul was joking about moving the rock brutha.
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climberchic
Oct 7, 2002, 2:08 AM
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Zac~ We would definitely be in for your B-Day, but don't expect a belay on the 17th for either one of us.
Really though, that weekend is open for us, but we won't know for sure until the end of December.
~Erica
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curt
Oct 7, 2002, 3:12 AM
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rrradam,
I was having a little fun--I didn't think that anyone thought intersection rock had actually been moved.
My more important point was--Why doesn't RC.com look into reserving some of the group sites, such as those at Sheep Pass? I lived in Joshua Tree (the town) for 6 years, so I know something about this. These group sites are designed for large groups! Sounds just like what is needed.
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Curt
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climberchic
Oct 7, 2002, 3:20 AM
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Curt~
Would you mind coordinating with bullit (Scott) and finding out how much it is/what kind of advance you need and any other details?
That would help out greatly in figuring out the best alternative for a group of that size during a busy time there.
Thanks
~Erica
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curt
Oct 7, 2002, 3:35 AM
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Erica,
I will be happy to do that. It seems that there is not yet any consensus as to dates, however. Do you have any idea as to what we should be inquiring about? (i.e. when and how many people?)
Curt
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pbcowboy77
Oct 7, 2002, 3:51 AM
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I will look into sites and reserving them but I need to know the dates (my b-day, oh please, oh please,oh please). So is the 17th to the 19th cool with ya all. I'll probally reserve sites at sheep pass after I make solid dates
Climb safe and don't drive angry
-Zac
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climberchic
Oct 7, 2002, 3:58 AM
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Curt~
Thanks for helping! Maybe get some general info while the whos/whens/hows are being worked out.
Questions to ask:
How many to a site?
How much for one group site?
How far in advance can we or do we have to reserve?
Deposit and how much?
Any dates that are currently booked (ex: New Years)?
Restrictions on dates?
That might be a good place to start.
~Erica
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curt
Oct 7, 2002, 5:21 PM
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OK. Here is what I have found out so far. The sites at Shhep Pass are reservable on-line through the NPS or by calling (800) 365-CAMP.
The sites will hold up to 50 people and have a cost of $35.00 per night. Multiple tents are allowed. The only restriction of concern is a maximum vehicle allowance of 15 cars--which (they say) is strictly enforced.
As for dates, New Years is booked. I checked before Christmas, and after January 5, and these dates seem to be available--at least as of today.
FYI, there are also group camp sites at Indian Cove and Cottonwood. Cottonwood is far from the climbing--so probably not a good choice. Indian Cove can be good, especially if it is cold, since it is around 1000 feet lower than the rest of the park. (I did not check availability at Indian Cove.)
Hope this helps.
Curt
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Oct 7, 2002, 6:32 PM
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Hey Curt,
I just checked out Indian Cove..
They have about 100 open sites, normal ones anyway..and 6 open group sites.
The guy I was talking to said the group sites hold from 15-20 people and are $20 per night.
New Years (27th through 2nd) has 6 open group sites.
Scott
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curt
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Well, it sounds like Indian Cove might be the place. The only downside to I.C. is that it is not directly connected to the main portion of JTNP by road. You have to exit the park & drive to a different entrance to get there. Probably not a big deal though, since everyone will have to get out there in some sort of vehicle anyway.
So, someone just needs to get a head-count & decide on the dates.
Curt
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Oct 8, 2002, 2:39 AM
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Zac,
I'll climb with ya those days 17-19 I'm on call new years at work so thats out for me.
Hopefully i'll finally get to climb with some of ya i got called into work last time i planned to go to Malibu with the group.
Geoff
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pbcowboy77
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If I get enough people to say yes on 17th to 19th of Jan. I will reserve 2 sites at sheeps pass. That will give us 30 cars and 100 people. How about them apples?
-Zac
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Count me in for the New Year's week... but afraid I can't make it for the 17th-19th. I'm teaching school until the 19th. If you stay through that weekend I can make it!
~Shelley
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Seems to me New Years week would be perfect.
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As if everybody having different schedules already wasn't bad enough, here's mine. I've had the idea of a trip to J-Tree in my head since July (at the Yosemite gathering). Now, looking at it realistically and it being only 2.5 months away, I pretty much can only do something around the 27th to the 4th or 5th. It sounds like I'm not the only one though. I guess we'll just keep posting until we get it all figured out ....
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climbinganne
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this sucker is gonna be 15 pages before a date is set
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ok, heres my 3cents,
I am new to this site ,
and i almost always have an extended stay planned for winter in josh. do you guys get a group site? or is it pretty much everyone for thiemselves? Im down anytime to spend a month or so out there, transportation is a little prob for me so maybee ill hitch out there. im just currious about the site or sites as ive heard it takes a while to reserve a site in sheeps pass...around that time of year...expecially around new years. i suppose i could ninja camp around the outback or something if hidden valley is packed as i know it will be.
i hope to see yall and put names to these faces..and again hello
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Who wants a Joshua Tree gathering?
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