I find it sad that when someone excels at something, as a community we try so hard to down grade that achievement only to help make ourselves feel bigger. We look for the tiniest flaws and point them out for the whole world to see. We as a community come to this website I presume to celebrate the achievements of fellow rock climbers. Who cares if he racks his cams on a sling or on his harness? (Although 5 or 6 aliens might warrant a sling I guess?? ) Trashing someone on something so silly is the poorest form to be sure. According to everyone’s own accounts’ on this site, most of you don't lead trad harder then 5.10! Maybe if you stopped racking all your cams on a sling you might climb harder one day and if 'all that chalking and blowing' gets him up a 5.14, I might give it a try. It's sad that this is all you have to tall about after seeing someone on such an awesome route. Nice work Sonnie, bad ass send. p.s its easy to blame your aliens for your own faults, however mine rock, never fail me and instill a confidence that no other cam can. If yours don’t do that for you maybe, just maybe it not the cam.
(This post was edited by rockostronghold on Aug 29, 2007, 7:57 PM)
I kind of wonder how much longer people think that these not terribly clever cracks about aliens are going to be funny... and I think it is kind of lame how anyone who climbs on them is now some kind of idiot. Only on RC.n00b.
I just saw a vid of cedar wright climbing 5.13 on aliens, yet another idiot.
I kind of wonder how much longer people think that these not terribly clever cracks about aliens are going to be funny... and I think it is kind of lame how anyone who climbs on them is now some kind of idiot. Only on RC.n00b.
I just saw a vid of cedar wright climbing 5.13 on aliens, yet another idiot.
They'll probably taper off once CCH goes to chapter 11.
I'll be using my aliens loooong after CCH tanks. Nice send Sonnie. And I use the 'blowing' when I climb to really empasize deep breathing. It helps me focus and reminds me not to hold my breath. To each his own though.
I kind of wonder how much longer people think that these not terribly clever cracks about aliens are going to be funny
Just like CCH, not long. Neither the jokes nor the company, CCH are long for the world.
Thank God that another quality-minded company is launching an improved version. Hopefully before someone pulls apart a "tested" Alien or 2 and dies. There will never be a reason to buy this crap ever again.
CCH will soon be but a memory on Ebay. Like Peck Crackers or Forest Foxheads, oh wait, except those never failed unexpectedly resulting in tragic consequences.
Oh, was that yet another not so terribly clever crack? MF. My bad.
I usually blow the excess chalk off my hands because it's the quickest way to do so. I dunno who can wipe it off on their chalkbag liner, but that would just get more chalk on the tips in my case.
I'll be using my aliens loooong after CCH tanks. Nice send Sonnie. And I use the 'blowing' when I climb to really empasize deep breathing. It helps me focus and reminds me not to hold my breath. To each his own though.
Usually when I think of deep breathing I think of a long sustained exhale, not a quick puff to blow chalk off my fingers. I still don’t understand the chalk blow. Although I do believe in the placebo effect, so yeah, if it works for you, go with it I guess.
I kind of wonder how much longer people think that these not terribly clever cracks about aliens are going to be funny... and I think it is kind of lame how anyone who climbs on them is now some kind of idiot. Only on RC.n00b.
I just saw a vid of cedar wright climbing 5.13 on aliens, yet another idiot.
'Course, they were probably out of his alien stash from pre '04, which doesn't say DICK about their current issues. Hell, even I'D feel comfortable running it out over my OLD pieces.
Thank God that another quality-minded company is launching an improved version. Hopefully before someone pulls apart a "tested" Alien or 2 and dies. There will never be a reason to buy this crap ever again.
Well, we'll just have to see about those master cams. Frankly, based on the photo of them I don't see a lot to get excited about just yet. Looks a lot like a zero, if you ask me.
You should check out sonnie's blog though and scroll down to his comments about the ultralight TCUs and what happened to them when he fell on them though, I thought his comments were pretty interesting.
I'll be using my aliens loooong after CCH tanks. Nice send Sonnie. And I use the 'blowing' when I climb to really empasize deep breathing. It helps me focus and reminds me not to hold my breath. To each his own though.
Usually when I think of deep breathing I think of a long sustained exhale, not a quick puff to blow chalk off my fingers. I still don’t understand the chalk blow. Although I do believe in the placebo effect, so yeah, if it works for you, go with it I guess.
Thank God that another quality-minded company is launching an improved version. Hopefully before someone pulls apart a "tested" Alien or 2 and dies. There will never be a reason to buy this crap ever again.
Well, we'll just have to see about those master cams. Frankly, based on the photo of them I don't see a lot to get excited about just yet. Looks a lot like a zero, if you ask me.
You should check out sonnie's blog though and scroll down to his comments about the ultralight TCUs and what happened to them when he fell on them though, I thought his comments were pretty interesting.
If he is sponsored by Alien and has been using their cams for some time, why would he be using Metolius cams in that instance? Spending money on them even!
1)He didn't trust Aliens anymore. 2)He decided to do a comparative test and mEATBOMBZ onto them. 3)It all just propaganda.
And CI, just like Kelly wouldn't give you free shoes. You aren't going to get free cams out of this.
I find it sad that when someone excels at something, as a community we try so hard to down grade that achievement only to help make ourselves feel bigger. We look for the tiniest flaws and point them out for the whole world to see. We as a community come to this website I presume to celebrate the achievements of fellow rock climbers. Who cares if he racks his cams on a sling or on his harness? (Although 5 or 6 aliens might warrant a sling I guess?? ) Trashing someone on something so silly is the poorest form to be sure. According to everyone’s own accounts’ on this site, most of you don't lead trad harder then 5.10! Maybe if you stopped racking all your cams on a sling you might climb harder one day and if 'all that chalking and blowing' gets him up a 5.14, I might give it a try. It's sad that this is all you have to tall about after seeing someone on such an awesome route. Nice work Sonnie, bad ass send. p.s its easy to blame your aliens for your own faults, however mine rock, never fail me and instill a confidence that no other cam can. If yours don’t do that for you maybe, just maybe it not the cam.
uh, what part of "self-deprecating humor" do you not get?
OH BTW, I only ever bought one alien, a yellow, a coupel years before the crappy braze mess... I still place it every route, and climb above it. don't feel any more or less scared thereby.
(This post was edited by robbovius on Aug 30, 2007, 11:39 AM)
I find it sad that when someone excels at something, as a community we try so hard to down grade that achievement only to help make ourselves feel bigger. We look for the tiniest flaws and point them out for the whole world to see. We as a community come to this website I presume to celebrate the achievements of fellow rock climbers. Who cares if he racks his cams on a sling or on his harness? (Although 5 or 6 aliens might warrant a sling I guess?? ) Trashing someone on something so silly is the poorest form to be sure. According to everyone’s own accounts’ on this site, most of you don't lead trad harder then 5.10! Maybe if you stopped racking all your cams on a sling you might climb harder one day and if 'all that chalking and blowing' gets him up a 5.14, I might give it a try. It's sad that this is all you have to tall about after seeing someone on such an awesome route. Nice work Sonnie, bad ass send. p.s its easy to blame your aliens for your own faults, however mine rock, never fail me and instill a confidence that no other cam can. If yours don’t do that for you maybe, just maybe it not the cam.
FEAK OUT!!!
Damn man, first off I was joking Mr. Trotter is a bad ass. Secondly, if your going to call me out on being a dick you could atleast get the compacity in which I am being so correct. I was saying sling your cams, as in extend them with a sling when you are going to be climbing up and left to prevent drag and walking. Who the hell racks cams on a sling?
Thank God that another quality-minded company is launching an improved version. Hopefully before someone pulls apart a "tested" Alien or 2 and dies. There will never be a reason to buy this crap ever again.
Well, we'll just have to see about those master cams. Frankly, based on the photo of them I don't see a lot to get excited about just yet. Looks a lot like a zero, if you ask me.
You should check out sonnie's blog though and scroll down to his comments about the ultralight TCUs and what happened to them when he fell on them though, I thought his comments were pretty interesting.
Yes, We all know that TCU's have their limits, along with every other product on the market. At least there are companies like Metolius that will recognize this fact and be willing to develope (basically copy) alternate products to fufill needs.
The issue is that CCH cams are basically questionable. This does not create peace of mind on the rock like most feel when above a TCU (even if every alien from now on never fails). Now that Metolius is willing to bring their quality to a new product to expand their usefullness shows a great deal about a company.
I wonder if one of those new tri-cams would have played well in that placement.
Amazing send Sonnie, I can not even imagine. Way to blow chalk, I do it cause it looks cool, you do it to get you to the top. Ohh well
Thank God that another quality-minded company is launching an improved version. Hopefully before someone pulls apart a "tested" Alien or 2 and dies. There will never be a reason to buy this crap ever again.
Well, we'll just have to see about those master cams. Frankly, based on the photo of them I don't see a lot to get excited about just yet. Looks a lot like a zero, if you ask me.
You should check out sonnie's blog though and scroll down to his comments about the ultralight TCUs and what happened to them when he fell on them though, I thought his comments were pretty interesting.
If he is sponsored by Alien and has been using their cams for some time, why would he be using Metolius cams in that instance? Spending money on them even!
1)He didn't trust Aliens anymore. 2)He decided to do a comparative test and mEATBOMBZ onto them. 3)It all just propaganda.
And CI, just like Kelly wouldn't give you free shoes. You aren't going to get free cams out of this.
Hello Chossy,
I believe it is #3, it is all propaganda. I don't think pro climbers have any sort of exclusivity agreement with their gear sponsors. When you see a pro climber's rack, there is seldom just one brand of cam. You even see it in the mags, BD sponsored climbers using aliens (or at least you used to!)
A recent climbing mag spread on squamish had a full page photo of Brittany Griffith on a crack, placing a blue alien. She gets all kinds of free stuff from Metolius, she's their poster girl!
ANyway, I don't pretend to know the ins and outs of a gear sponsorship, but I've seen plenty of pros in yosemite or in mags with a mix of cams on their rack. Granted, there may be fewer using aliens these days.
I have many aliens, all pre-recall. I whip on them with no concern whatsoever.
Unfortunately, when they finally do wear out, they won't be replaced with Aliens. I'm assuming that CCH will be no more at that time.
I'm sure there will be something on the market by that time that will work. BFD.
My concern is with the owner/inventor Dave. Was he wise enough to invest the large majority of his profits into some type of lawsuit proof fund (if this even exists). He's nearing 60, he's worked damn hard doing all sorts of things his whole life. It's been a fight from what I understand. With his brilliance and contributions to the climbing world, I'd hate to see him living his retirement years on welfare, working a meaningless job, and the eventual suicide situations like this often bring.
I have no concern for Aliens. It's a cam, a damn good cam but still only a cam. Dave however is a real live person who put everything he had into something that changed crack climbing forever. The man has my respect and deserves yours.
Yes, this is the internet. Internet protocol is as follows:: "THAT MUTHERFUCKER, HE BUILT A CAM THAT BROKE AND HE WAS TRYING TO KILL PEOPLE AND THE TALIBAN PUT ALIENS IN MY RICE KRISPIES i HOPE HE DIES AND WASPS NEST IN HIS SKULL AND ALL THE WASPS ARE KILLED BY TARANTULAS THEN THEY ALL BURN!!!!!111"
Be a fucking human being for once, you guys make me sick.
Sonnie Trotter is such a chump. Ooohhh, I'm using cams. I'm who the girls want to be with and who the guys want to be. Oooohhh, I'm not all pretentious and I'm psyched on life and climbing. Oooohhh.
I won't be impressed until he sends that climb using properly slung CAMP tricams while using forest moss instead of chalk and hobnail boots for shoes. And a live rattlesnake for a condom! Then he'll earn my 5.4 climbing props! Until then? Poser.
(This post was edited by zeke_sf on Aug 30, 2007, 7:45 PM)
My concern is with the owner/inventor Dave. Was he wise enough to invest the large majority of his profits into some type of lawsuit proof fund (if this even exists). He's nearing 60, he's worked damn hard doing all sorts of things his whole life. It's been a fight from what I understand. With his brilliance and contributions to the climbing world, I'd hate to see him living his retirement years on welfare, working a meaningless job, and the eventual suicide situations like this often bring.
I have no concern for Aliens. It's a cam, a damn good cam but still only a cam. Dave however is a real live person who put everything he had into something that changed crack climbing forever. The man has my respect and deserves yours.
Well said Angry.
I'm no expert in the area, but as you said, this is the internet so I can offer my opinion as gospel. Assuming that CCH is incorporated Dave should be protected from personal attack. Maybe one of our climbing lawyers will chime in.
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