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you mean this one?

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Yeah, it was a good game. Congrats to New England.

The Pats managed to squeak out a 4 point victory against the Colts, who played without two of their biggest four offensive weapons (Harrison and Gonzalez.)

You must be so proud.

yes, the sincerety just drips off of it.

What's that I smell... sniff sniff...




yep, smells like sore loser! hahahaha


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caughtinside wrote:
you mean this one?

reno wrote:
Yeah, it was a good game. Congrats to New England.

The Pats managed to squeak out a 4 point victory against the Colts, who played without two of their biggest four offensive weapons (Harrison and Gonzalez.)

You must be so proud.

yes, the sincerety just drips off of it.

What, you want I should hang a Pats banner from the rafters and proclaim that all other teams are not worthy?

WTF, dude. I said Congrats. What else is necessary to please you?

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What's that I smell... sniff sniff...

yep, smells like sore loser! hahahaha

Nah, that's the pigeon shit on your shoulder. I'm not sore at all.


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reno wrote:
caughtinside wrote:
you mean this one?

reno wrote:
Yeah, it was a good game. Congrats to New England.

The Pats managed to squeak out a 4 point victory against the Colts, who played without two of their biggest four offensive weapons (Harrison and Gonzalez.)

You must be so proud.

yes, the sincerety just drips off of it.

What, you want I should hang a Pats banner from the rafters and proclaim that all other teams are not worthy?

WTF, dude. I said Congrats. What else is necessary to please you?

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What's that I smell... sniff sniff...

yep, smells like sore loser! hahahaha

Nah, that's the pigeon shit on your shoulder. I'm not sore at all.

ok, maybe I'm crazy. Maybe when you say something like "Nice going, BUT, blah blah blah" that is a genuine complement instead of a backhanded insult.


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caughtinside wrote:
ok, maybe I'm crazy.

That's the most likely explanation. I don't mean to get all Occam's Razor on you, but.....

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Maybe when you say something like "Nice going, BUT, blah blah blah" that is a genuine complement instead of a backhanded insult.

Or maybe I can make a compliment AND make an observation at the same time.

Like: Wow, that route was really enjoyable, but it sure seemed like the bolts were awful close to each other.

Not everyone is limited to thinking of one thing at a time, CI.


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reno wrote:
caughtinside wrote:
ok, maybe I'm crazy.

That's the most likely explanation. I don't mean to get all Occam's Razor on you, but.....

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Maybe when you say something like "Nice going, BUT, blah blah blah" that is a genuine complement instead of a backhanded insult.

Or maybe I can make a compliment AND make an observation at the same time.

Like: Wow, that route was really enjoyable, but it sure seemed like the bolts were awful close to each other.

Not everyone is limited to thinking of one thing at a time, CI.

Good point reno. You posts often contain a lot of good content, except for when they're impossibly stupid.


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Ugh, enough of that.

I say congrats to the Pats - good game. It was exciting to watch and I rarely can sit still for longer than 2 qtrs.

But Chad I'll never cheer for them - they have Randy f***ing Moss and I can't stand the bastard.

Do you think his work ethic & attitude have improved? I haven't followed the NFL quite as much the last few years (was an avid fan for many many years). Frankly I never liked him when he was with the Vikings; I thought he was a prima donna who didn't always back up his 'tude with his performance.

I'm all for bravado when you back it up on the field but I didn't think he always did. Just MHO of course.


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caughtinside wrote:
Good point reno. You posts often contain a lot of good content, except for when they're impossibly stupid.

Funny. It's only the ignorant and uninformed that find my posts "impossibly stupid."

Then, too, I'm capable of conversation that doesn't have to include "meat bombs," so I can see where you might get lost.

Back to your B_E thread.


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Ugh, enough of that.

I say congrats to the Pats - good game. It was exciting to watch and I rarely can sit still for longer than 2 qtrs.

But Chad I'll never cheer for them - they have Randy f***ing Moss and I can't stand the bastard.

Do you think his work ethic & attitude have improved?

I haven't followed him much in past years but all the local beat guys who actually have access to the locker rooms say he's a model teammate. Shows up early, watches a ton of film, listens to coaches, Brady, talks a lot to other receivers. And he doesn't say ANYTHING in the media. People even asked him if he'd be seeking a contract extension this week in the bye week, trying to get some money and he refused the bait.

Could be that all the past years it was just frustration of having a ton talent and not enough around him, being on losing teams. I imagine that gets old no matter who you are. Could be that he really is the arrogant selfish asshole he had a rep for prior to coming to Foxboro and since he's in the middle of a career year he simply has nothing to bitch about. I guess only time will tell.

But so far, man he and Brady are fun to watch. The Moss one-handed grab over the middle yesterday was a thing of beauty.


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reno wrote:
Yeah, it was a good game. Congrats to New England.

The Pats managed to squeak out a 4 point victory against the Colts, who played without two of their biggest four offensive weapons (Harrison and Gonzalez.)

You must be so proud.

Hey reno, when you typed that little bit at the end there, "You must be so proud."

Did you mean that to be part of the complement?

I readily would have considered your comment that the Colts werent' at full strength a valid comment on the game, before that.

But that last comment, coming on the heels of your critique, had a, let's just say, heavy stink of the snide about it, which made your whole post come off as rather ungracious.

Almost like something you'd say to your pal dingus in the soap box.

But back the the game! Yes, the pats managed to 'squeak' out a 4 point victory.

In dramatic come behind fashion while playing at Indy! After being down 10 in the 4th quarter! Despite playing their worst game of the season and setting a team record for penalties!


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wideguy wrote:
maww wrote:
Ugh, enough of that.

I say congrats to the Pats - good game. It was exciting to watch and I rarely can sit still for longer than 2 qtrs.

But Chad I'll never cheer for them - they have Randy f***ing Moss and I can't stand the bastard.

Do you think his work ethic & attitude have improved?

I haven't followed him much in past years but all the local beat guys who actually have access to the locker rooms say he's a model teammate. Shows up early, watches a ton of film, listens to coaches, Brady, talks a lot to other receivers. And he doesn't say ANYTHING in the media. People even asked him if he'd be seeking a contract extension this week in the bye week, trying to get some money and he refused the bait.

Could be that all the past years it was just frustration of having a ton talent and not enough around him, being on losing teams. I imagine that gets old no matter who you are. Could be that he really is the arrogant selfish asshole he had a rep for prior to coming to Foxboro and since he's in the middle of a career year he simply has nothing to bitch about. I guess only time will tell.

But so far, man he and Brady are fun to watch. The Moss one-handed grab over the middle yesterday was a thing of beauty.

Yeah Moss is great to watch... when he's on a good team. I always kind of felt like he was a spoiled child though. The knock on him in Minnesota was that he'd take plays off. When they started getting worse, his production declined. In Oakland, it looked like he wasn't even trying.

i'd say it's a credit to the pats team and coaching staff to have been able to motivate him to play at his best. When they made the deal, I admit I thought it was a bad idea, bringing a poisonous player into their locker room. Glad to see he's been able to turn it around.


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i'd say it's a credit to the pats team and coaching staff to have been able to motivate him to play at his best. When they made the deal, I admit I thought it was a bad idea, bringing a poisonous player into their locker room. Glad to see he's been able to turn it around.

I think most people around here would agree, with the addition of the words "so far..."

Personally, I suspect you're right, that ultimately he's selfish. I think most people here think he's only behaving himself because he's getting record numbers tossed to him by the best QB he's ever played with. But maybe he has really changed. I'm damn sure he probably likes winning a whole lot more than whatever he was doing in Oakland.


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But that last comment, coming on the heels of your critique, had a, let's just say, heavy stink of the snide about it, which made your whole post come off as rather ungracious.

I'm sorry you feel that way.


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I agree with you guys - he's finally on a good team where he's appreciated. And the coaching staff definitely deserves some credit for his current disposition.

I too thought it was trouble for the Pats when they picked him up. He's been great - like you said Chad, so far. ;)

And yeah that was one helluva one-handed grab over the middle. It was ridiculous how easy he made it look!!! It'll be interesting to watch him and see how he progresses.

I've always thought he has an incredible natural gift. I hope he gets to fully utilize it.


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That's the thing, and no offense to any of his previous quarterbacks or teams, but he's never had this level of talent all around him. He can "take a play off" and not stand out because he's not "THE GUY". Welker, Stallworth, Watson, Faulk, Gaffney... any one of them can pick up the receiving slack. And that makes me wonder if some of the grief was unfair back in Minnesota. Randy was nearly the only weapon so any play he wasn't 100% on stands out.

All that said, if Moss does turn around, demand a new contract, ask for 10-12 million a year, don't be surprised if he gets cut loose.


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reno wrote:
caughtinside wrote:
But that last comment, coming on the heels of your critique, had a, let's just say, heavy stink of the snide about it, which made your whole post come off as rather ungracious.

I'm sorry you feel that way.

you must be so proud.


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Anymore excuses? At least we didn't run the score up so they wouldn't have to cry to their mommys like the other teams have done

9-0 by 1 point or by 35 a win is a win

could you please post an incident of indy not winning OR losing with absolute class? thanks in advance.


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jakedatc wrote:
Anymore excuses? At least we didn't run the score up so they wouldn't have to cry to their mommys like the other teams have done

9-0 by 1 point or by 35 a win is a win

could you please post an incident of indy not winning OR losing with absolute class? thanks in advance.

I don't want to argue too much with you. By and large, I think Indy is a pretty classy organization.

That said, Manning said yesterday, and has said before when they lost, "Well we didn't have this player or that player" . That's a little less than 100% class. For all their other faults, you never hear the Pats players do that. Teams are supposed to be built to withstand the loss of a player. There is supposed to be depth and any comment about "If only we had ____for this game" or "They didn't beat us, we beat ourselves" is cheap.

And then there is the little issue of the crowd noise with the suspicious audio skip, which CBS has already gon on record as NOT having come from their production trucks.

We'll see where that goes.Tongue


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i don't know what this "skip" is...i was at the game and it WAS loud...

and i don't want to argue with you either, but i think it's a bit sour for the pats to be saying that AFTER a win like that.

outside of addai and moss, nobody on either offense had a day to write home about.

and truth is...win or lose yesterday, i believe that the colts would have to play in foxboro anyway. as bitter as yesterday was, i like going to new england with a loss in the regular season...motivation and all.

regards


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That's the thing, and no offense to any of his previous quarterbacks or teams, but he's never had this level of talent all around him. He can "take a play off" and not stand out because he's not "THE GUY". Welker, Stallworth, Watson, Faulk, Gaffney... any one of them can pick up the receiving slack. And that makes me wonder if some of the grief was unfair back in Minnesota. Randy was nearly the only weapon so any play he wasn't 100% on stands out.

All that said, if Moss does turn around, demand a new contract, ask for 10-12 million a year, don't be surprised if he gets cut loose.

Do the Pats have room in their cap to sign him? For some reason I thought they couldn't afford to resign him. Anywho, other than the fact that he operates in a world where there is no offensive pass interference, I think Randy Moss one of the only universally likeable players on the Patriots. Moreover, Welker, Stallworth and Watson are not top receivers (without Brady anyway). I don't think any of those guys are in the same league as Randy Moss. It does seem to me that he is turning into a Deion Sanders/Soldier of Fortune.

I wouldn't be at all surprised (and more than a little pissed) if he gets signed by the Cowboys. Because of some bullshit rule, the get to allocate most of Romo's new contract to this season so that leaves them with plenty of room to sign him and Deion Moss gets to jump ship in favor of another Super Bowl hopeful.


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wideguy wrote:
That's the thing, and no offense to any of his previous quarterbacks or teams, but he's never had this level of talent all around him. He can "take a play off" and not stand out because he's not "THE GUY". Welker, Stallworth, Watson, Faulk, Gaffney... any one of them can pick up the receiving slack. And that makes me wonder if some of the grief was unfair back in Minnesota. Randy was nearly the only weapon so any play he wasn't 100% on stands out.

All that said, if Moss does turn around, demand a new contract, ask for 10-12 million a year, don't be surprised if he gets cut loose.

Do the Pats have room in their cap to sign him? For some reason I thought they couldn't afford to resign him. Anywho, other than the fact that he operates in a world where there is no offensive pass interference, I think Randy Moss one of the only universally likeable players on the Patriots. Moreover, Welker, Stallworth and Watson are not top receivers (without Brady anyway). I don't think any of those guys are in the same league as Randy Moss. It does seem to me that he is turning into a Deion Sanders/Soldier of Fortune.

I wouldn't be at all surprised (and more than a little pissed) if he gets signed by the Cowboys. Because of some bullshit rule, the get to allocate most of Romo's new contract to this season so that leaves them with plenty of room to sign him and Deion Moss gets to jump ship in favor of another Super Bowl hopeful.

Do you think TO and Moss could coexist on the same team?

I sure don't.


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i don't know what this "skip" is...i was at the game and it WAS loud...

and i don't want to argue with you either, but i think it's a bit sour for the pats to be saying that AFTER a win like that.

Ahhh read around. There's even an audio clip. you can hear Boomer and Nance talking clear as day and the fan noise in the background is skipping. The league is investigating. Like I said, we'll see what comes of it.

and don't use Jake as the barometer of all Pats fans. He's a little less rational than average. ;-P
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outside of addai and moss, nobody on either offense had a day to write home about.

regards

I prefer to think it was a battle of two very good, very legitimate teams. Perhaps the first real legitimate challenge either team has had this year. I wouldn't want to face Indy too many more times. I suspect if they played ten, it would end up 5/5, maybe 6/4 either way.

But from a Pat's fan perspective, it's equally class-less to come out and blame the absence of one player and try to take credit away from the winning team as well. After all, last I checked it Harrison doesn't play defense, and it wasn't Indy's offense that the Pats scored TD's against twice in the final 9 minutes.

You want respect, you have to gie it in equal measure. Indy played a great game. They controlled pretty much 40 minutes of it. But they were outplayed for about 20 minutes. 20 pretty important minutes.


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That's the thing, and no offense to any of his previous quarterbacks or teams, but he's never had this level of talent all around him. He can "take a play off" and not stand out because he's not "THE GUY". Welker, Stallworth, Watson, Faulk, Gaffney... any one of them can pick up the receiving slack. And that makes me wonder if some of the grief was unfair back in Minnesota. Randy was nearly the only weapon so any play he wasn't 100% on stands out.

All that said, if Moss does turn around, demand a new contract, ask for 10-12 million a year, don't be surprised if he gets cut loose.

Do the Pats have room in their cap to sign him? For some reason I thought they couldn't afford to resign him. Anywho, other than the fact that he operates in a world where there is no offensive pass interference, I think Randy Moss one of the only universally likeable players on the Patriots. Moreover, Welker, Stallworth and Watson are not top receivers (without Brady anyway). I don't think any of those guys are in the same league as Randy Moss. It does seem to me that he is turning into a Deion Sanders/Soldier of Fortune.

I wouldn't be at all surprised (and more than a little pissed) if he gets signed by the Cowboys. Because of some bullshit rule, the get to allocate most of Romo's new contract to this season so that leaves them with plenty of room to sign him and Deion Moss gets to jump ship in favor of another Super Bowl hopeful.

Do you think TO and Moss could coexist on the same team?

I sure don't.

Believe it or not, I think they could. I frankly am amazed that TO has been as contained as he has been for the last two seasons.

That said, I don't think my opinion matters much. I do think that Jerry Jones thinks that the Cowboys organization makes a difference (which is why the grabbed TO in the first place). I would love to see them chase Moss and have sparks fly all season.

If you look at the Bengals with Johnson and Housh, two super star receivers doesn't seem to have a negative effect on either one of them (granted they are different personalities but at the end of the day all top tier receivers are showboating whining bitches to some degree or another).

I think it could either make the 'boys unstoppable or it could make them implode. While I'd like to see them implode, I'd personally rather not run the risk of that combo cutting the other way. But I think Moss going to Dallas is strong possibility (whether I like it or not, or whether it would work for them or not). Bottom line is that they are probably going to look to replace Terry Glenn sooner rather than later.


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jgloporto wrote:
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That's the thing, and no offense to any of his previous quarterbacks or teams, but he's never had this level of talent all around him. He can "take a play off" and not stand out because he's not "THE GUY". Welker, Stallworth, Watson, Faulk, Gaffney... any one of them can pick up the receiving slack. And that makes me wonder if some of the grief was unfair back in Minnesota. Randy was nearly the only weapon so any play he wasn't 100% on stands out.

All that said, if Moss does turn around, demand a new contract, ask for 10-12 million a year, don't be surprised if he gets cut loose.

Do the Pats have room in their cap to sign him? For some reason I thought they couldn't afford to resign him. Anywho, other than the fact that he operates in a world where there is no offensive pass interference, I think Randy Moss one of the only universally likeable players on the Patriots. Moreover, Welker, Stallworth and Watson are not top receivers (without Brady anyway). I don't think any of those guys are in the same league as Randy Moss. It does seem to me that he is turning into a Deion Sanders/Soldier of Fortune.

I wouldn't be at all surprised (and more than a little pissed) if he gets signed by the Cowboys. Because of some bullshit rule, the get to allocate most of Romo's new contract to this season so that leaves them with plenty of room to sign him and Deion Moss gets to jump ship in favor of another Super Bowl hopeful.

Do you think TO and Moss could coexist on the same team?

I sure don't.

Believe it or not, I think they could. I frankly am amazed that TO has been as contained as he has been for the last two seasons.

That said, I don't think my opinion matters much. I do think that Jerry Jones thinks that the Cowboys organization makes a difference (which is why the grabbed TO in the first place). I would love to see them chase Moss and have sparks fly all season.

If you look at the Bengals with Johnson and Housh, two super star receivers doesn't seem to have a negative effect on either one of them (granted they are different personalities but at the end of the day all top tier receivers are showboating whining bitches to some degree or another).

I think it could either make the 'boys unstoppable or it could make them implode. While I'd like to see them implode, I'd personally rather not run the risk of that combo cutting the other way. But I think Moss going to Dallas is strong possibility (whether I like it or not, or whether it would work for them or not). Bottom line is that they are probably going to look to replace Terry Glenn sooner rather than later.

interesting. I think it would be fun to see a team with two top recievers and a good qb.

And I think Moss could handle it better than TO. I think TO has the biggest ego in the league, and if Moss outshines him in a few games, I don't think he could take it.

I mean come on. He ripped on Donovan!


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Do the Pats have room in their cap to sign him? For some reason I thought they couldn't afford to resign him. Anywho, other than the fact that he operates in a world where there is no offensive pass interference, I think Randy Moss one of the only universally likeable players on the Patriots. Moreover, Welker, Stallworth and Watson are not top receivers (without Brady anyway). I don't think any of those guys are in the same league as Randy Moss. It does seem to me that he is turning into a Deion Sanders/Soldier of Fortune.

I know you are loathe to admit ANYTHING positive about the Pats, but one thing pretty much no one argues is their cap management. They do it better than ANY team ever has since the cap was introduced. I have no doubt that is they want him, they could sign him. For starters, I'd bet you Brady would restructure again to keep Moss, if he was asked. He's already done it several times to help keep guys he wanted.

And I believe Moss was called for an OPI penalty yesterday, wasn't he?


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That's the thing, and no offense to any of his previous quarterbacks or teams, but he's never had this level of talent all around him. He can "take a play off" and not stand out because he's not "THE GUY". Welker, Stallworth, Watson, Faulk, Gaffney... any one of them can pick up the receiving slack. And that makes me wonder if some of the grief was unfair back in Minnesota. Randy was nearly the only weapon so any play he wasn't 100% on stands out.

All that said, if Moss does turn around, demand a new contract, ask for 10-12 million a year, don't be surprised if he gets cut loose.

Do the Pats have room in their cap to sign him? For some reason I thought they couldn't afford to resign him. Anywho, other than the fact that he operates in a world where there is no offensive pass interference, I think Randy Moss one of the only universally likeable players on the Patriots. Moreover, Welker, Stallworth and Watson are not top receivers (without Brady anyway). I don't think any of those guys are in the same league as Randy Moss. It does seem to me that he is turning into a Deion Sanders/Soldier of Fortune.

I wouldn't be at all surprised (and more than a little pissed) if he gets signed by the Cowboys. Because of some bullshit rule, the get to allocate most of Romo's new contract to this season so that leaves them with plenty of room to sign him and Deion Moss gets to jump ship in favor of another Super Bowl hopeful.

Do you think TO and Moss could coexist on the same team?

I sure don't.

Believe it or not, I think they could. I frankly am amazed that TO has been as contained as he has been for the last two seasons.

That said, I don't think my opinion matters much. I do think that Jerry Jones thinks that the Cowboys organization makes a difference (which is why the grabbed TO in the first place). I would love to see them chase Moss and have sparks fly all season.

If you look at the Bengals with Johnson and Housh, two super star receivers doesn't seem to have a negative effect on either one of them (granted they are different personalities but at the end of the day all top tier receivers are showboating whining bitches to some degree or another).

I think it could either make the 'boys unstoppable or it could make them implode. While I'd like to see them implode, I'd personally rather not run the risk of that combo cutting the other way. But I think Moss going to Dallas is strong possibility (whether I like it or not, or whether it would work for them or not). Bottom line is that they are probably going to look to replace Terry Glenn sooner rather than later.

interesting. I think it would be fun to see a team with two top recievers and a good qb.

And I think Moss could handle it better than TO. I think TO has the biggest ego in the league, and if Moss outshines him in a few games, I don't think he could take it.

I mean come on. He ripped on Donovan!

It would be interesting if not for the fact that the cowboys are in the NFC east. To make matters worse (for the Giants anyway) the 'boys have two first round draft picks. My prediction is that they sign Moss and grab two of the top defensive backs coming out of college this year which, I think, would make the Cowboys look pretty f'in dangerous in '08.

Which is exactly why I think Moss would go to Dallas (assuming he can't resign with the Pats).

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