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so-0-0 i want to go to yose this spring and plan to do one or two big walls there. Was thinking about getting a haul bag that could also be used to transport stuff on the airplane flights...

what would be the best bags out there, durability/convenience/price-wise? Fish? BD? Metolius? Is 100lt the best one to take? Anything else i should consider before buying? Anyone has a used one to sell?

thx!


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I've heard that BD and Metolius are good for durability. Haven't heard the same for Fish though.

>Cam


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I have an A5 TNF, and a Fish Budget. I've used a couple of my partner's Metolius'. I have not used BD or Madrock.

Metolius: Both were burly and carried just find. They are overbuilt to the point fo being a bit heavy, a good 1.5-2x the weight of the equivalent Fish for example. Every pound counts, so this is worth note. Neither showed any wear after a fair amount of hauling. Bomber, expensive, and heavy

BD: Rumor only. Universal disdain for their material, apparently it is just wimpy and wears through alarmingly fast. No first hand experience, but enough rumors to keep me from considering them.

Fish: No complaints, and after 3 walls, and 6 more failures mine looks broken in, but far from worn out. Great bang for the buck, but not as durable as Metolius. My opinion is you are better buying one Fish for half the price and repalcing it in a decade when it wears out, having saved several lbs on every carry, and every haul in the intervening years.

Beware that the vast majority of big wall gear never makes it up the big stone. In all likelyhod you might do a few walls in your wall career if your lucky, so be careful how much you spend finding out how much you like suffering.


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check this:
http://www.rockclimbing.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=1586654;page=unread#unread


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coastal_climber wrote:
I've heard that BD and Metolius are good for durability. Haven't heard the same for Fish though.

>Cam

Elaborate please.


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russwalling wrote:
coastal_climber wrote:
I've heard that BD and Metolius are good for durability. Haven't heard the same for Fish though.

>Cam

Elaborate please.

On Fish products? I've heard they aren't well made, and don't last as long as other pigs.

>Cam


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I wonder what percentage of haulbags purchased actually make it to the top of a big wall? I'm guessing less than half. Any haulbag you can buy will probably outlast your wall ambitions unless you are Ammon or Kate provided you know how to pack.


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Hey coastal_climber,

I suspect that you don't have any Fish products and don't know anyone who does. Be careful about what and who you slag on the internet - this is a small community and for all you know, someone who designs and manufactures these products may be reading this very thread.

Until you have personal experience with this stuff (haulbags, Fish products, etc..), you should consider keeping your opinion to yourself.


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giza wrote:
Hey coastal_climber,

I suspect that you don't have any Fish products and don't know anyone who does. Be careful about what and who you slag on the internet - this is a small community and for all you know, someone who designs and manufactures these products may be reading this very thread.

Until you have personal experience with this stuff (haulbags, Fish products, etc..), you should consider keeping your opinion to yourself.


Don't be absurd. Anyone in that kind of situation would have plain evidence of their affiliation somewhere in the post.


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giza wrote:
Hey coastal_climber,

I suspect that you don't have any Fish products and don't know anyone who does. Be careful about what and who you slag on the internet - this is a small community and for all you know, someone who designs and manufactures these products may be reading this very thread.

Until you have personal experience with this stuff (haulbags, Fish products, etc..), you should consider keeping your opinion to yourself.

Since I'm starting aid, and hope to do some walls in the future, I asked a knowledgeable friend (who has been climbing for quite a while) what sort of haulbag I should get. They recommended a BD or Metolius Bag, and not a Fish one for the reasons mentioned.

I'm just giving the OP the info I've heard.

>Cam


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coastal_climber wrote:
giza wrote:
Hey coastal_climber,

I suspect that you don't have any Fish products and don't know anyone who does. Be careful about what and who you slag on the internet - this is a small community and for all you know, someone who designs and manufactures these products may be reading this very thread.

Until you have personal experience with this stuff (haulbags, Fish products, etc..), you should consider keeping your opinion to yourself.

Since I'm starting aid, and hope to do some walls in the future, I asked a knowledgeable friend (who has been climbing for quite a while) what sort of haulbag I should get. They recommended a BD or Metolius Bag, and not a Fish one for the reasons mentioned.

I'm just giving the OP the info I've heard.

>Cam

Glad we got that cleared up. FISH stuff sucks ass. Don't buy it.


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russwalling wrote:
coastal_climber wrote:
giza wrote:
Hey coastal_climber,

I suspect that you don't have any Fish products and don't know anyone who does. Be careful about what and who you slag on the internet - this is a small community and for all you know, someone who designs and manufactures these products may be reading this very thread.

Until you have personal experience with this stuff (haulbags, Fish products, etc..), you should consider keeping your opinion to yourself.

Since I'm starting aid, and hope to do some walls in the future, I asked a knowledgeable friend (who has been climbing for quite a while) what sort of haulbag I should get. They recommended a BD or Metolius Bag, and not a Fish one for the reasons mentioned.

I'm just giving the OP the info I've heard.

>Cam

Glad we got that cleared up. FISH stuff sucks ass. Don't buy it.

this made me laugh. like, really laugh.

its almost like your affiliated to FISH or something.

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moof wrote:
Beware that the vast majority of big wall gear never makes it up the big stone. In all likelyhod you might do a few walls in your wall career if your lucky, so be careful how much you spend finding out how much you like suffering.

Good point.. my extensive research has revealed that Metolius, BD, and Fish, all wear at about the same rate in ones basement. Here's couple tips I've gathered along the way.

If you stuff it with newspaper, you will really impress the neighbors while wearing it on your morning jog, This will also give it the appearance of being full for poser-approach photos. (remember to grimace).

By dragging it down a gravel road, you'll get rid of that "new" sheen, and your friends will assume that there is a horrendous tale of terror associated with each scuff mark as you tour them through your basement, showing off your collection of big wall gear.

Hope this Helps


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Reading your bedtime stories gave me the impression that you are a grouchy, no nonsense SOB. Good to see you in fine form.
Thanks for filling my order by the way.
Wish I ordered one of your haul bags too. A little out of my budget right now and a few(?) years away from getting on a big wall.
I'll find out for myself how much FISH stuff sucks once I try my ladder aiders later this month.


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  I have been waiting my turn to find out how bad "Fish Gear Sucks". Hope to find out soon.
Bob


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  Cam, I was wondering, seeing as how you have an experienced friend/mentor to help with the gear selection and such. Should I consider cancelling my Fish Bigwall Gear order and get some of the brand name stuff? I have a prepaid order for some time now and if I got a refund I could be stroking some shiny new Black Diamond or Metolious ledge before Christmas.
I am getting on something big this month and even bigger in March. May I intend to send a Yosemite big route and I do not want to be relying on some inferior pile of crap to get me up safely should the weather turn for the worse.
Please ask your friend as this is important to me and my life will be hanging on making the best decision here.
Bob


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russwalling wrote:
Glad we got that cleared up. FISH stuff sucks ass. Don't buy it.

To elaborate on what that Russ wacko said:

There are a couple key things that FISH haulbags don't have:

First, FISH does not do a fancy RF welded side seam, resulting in a ridge along the inside of the bag. I have not gotten excess wear there, but it is a spot that is more prone to it.

Fish comes in one color only, white. No dark blue, bright yellow, highway orange, etc. On rare occasion FISH might do green or tan, depending on what's on sale to him. Also keep in mind that if you end up with a dark blue haul bag (as was the case with one of my partners) it will bake everything inside on sunny days. Melted snickers suck.

Fish has a simple seam at the bottom of the bag. This is where I have the most wear on the bag. Metolius and some other have a ring of webbing along the base as a rash guard. While this is the high wear spot for me, I estimates I might have used 20-25% of the life of my bag at most.

The suspension on Fish is not as great as Metolius. With 90 lbs on our back, life will suck. I wish Fish had load lifters and a sternum strap, but it still doesn't carry too badly. I believe this is the one area where there is a legitimate argument for Metolius or others. If paying an extra 1.5-2x for an improvement on the approach then go for it.

If I ever wear out one of my bags I'll hit ebay first, and FISH second. So much big wall gear rots for 5-10 years then resurfaces in yard sale mode.


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Hate to crack out of my SOB mode, but Moof is correct on all counts and one needs a small addendum: On the Budget Haul Bag, which I believe Moof has, there is no protective rings of webbing around the bottom and it is a wear spot. On the Grade V and Deluxe Haul Bags, the bottom seam is protected by webbing for longer life.

Crotch had a good point too... a well packed anything will last a long time.

Oh yeah... those other bags do have a more elaborate suspension, but always remember, it's a HAUL BAG not a PACK. Internet reports flood in daily about how crappy all the bags carry. Pick a brand, they've all had some softbody crying about how bad they carry. Easy cure is get a porter. Going rate was a 12'er to drop a bag at the base of Zodiac.


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great, thanks for the debate, guys - a typical rc.com response, but i like it! Wink


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russwalling wrote:
Hate to crack out of my SOB mode, but Moof is correct on all counts and one needs a small addendum: On the Budget Haul Bag, which I believe Moof has, there is no protective rings of webbing around the bottom and it is a wear spot. On the Grade V and Deluxe Haul Bags, the bottom seam is protected by webbing for longer life.

Crotch had a good point too... a well packed anything will last a long time.

Oh yeah... those other bags do have a more elaborate suspension, but always remember, it's a HAUL BAG not a PACK. Internet reports flood in daily about how crappy all the bags carry. Pick a brand, they've all had some softbody crying about how bad they carry. Easy cure is get a porter. Going rate was a 12'er to drop a bag at the base of Zodiac.

Thanks for the clarification Russ. My Budget bag is circa 2003, and is indeed a budget bag. It's good to know the spiffier ones add more than a storm collar (I sewed a storm collar onto my budget bag myself). I'd also comments that the same spot on my Fish ledge haul bags also are wearing faster than the rest. Might be worth offering a $5-10 upgrade to add an abrasion skirt to those too.

In summary: Fish rocks, but nothing's perfect. Supporting a fellow climber's liver destruction is always a worthy bonus when you buy Fish gear!


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As an aside... the Budget Bag is made from 28oz material and the Grade V and Deluxe models are made from a heavier and stiffer fabric that is 32oz material.

The ledge bag rim is a fix that is out now, and will be standard on all ledges starting in '08. We've been doing it on and off for about a year now.


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russwalling wrote:
As an aside... the Budget Bag is made from 28oz material and the Grade V and Deluxe models are made from a heavier and stiffer fabric that is 32oz material.

The ledge bag rim is a fix that is out now, and will be standard on all ledges starting in '08. We've been doing it on and off for about a year now.

Cool Russ! I've pondered ripping out the seam on the bottom of my two ledge bags and sewing in a rash guard, just too lazy...

I believe when I bought my haulbag the budget was using the same material as the rest. I recall feeling like I dodged a bullet when I saw the description change. I could be remembering wrong. Mine is pretty stiff.

I also remembered I have also used a partners Yates Fat Sac. Suspension was snazzier, but sure didn't feel any better when we traded loads. It did have snazzy rash guard on the top of the haul straps. I've also considered adding those to mine, but again, sloth sets in.


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Moof: easiest way is to just turn the bags inside out and cut the bottom off. Our ledge bags are usually long enough to lose an inch or so... then just sew on the "rash" guard and then sew on a NEW bottom. If you can sew, I'll send you the stuff for free and you can do the job. If not, send your ledge bags in and I'll do it for free, but you are on the hook for shipping both ways. And no, this is not a million eyes on this article internet suck up.... I do stuff like this all the time.... for free, for the guy living in his van down by the river, or the trustafarian up the street.


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  Glad this got out in the open. And no Russ, I do not want to cancel my order. Pretty damn sure I'll get exactly what I will want to do the job.
I will agree that all bags suck when loaded to the hilt on a hot uphill approach. But if I want to climb, this is not going to be the reason for not going. Also I will beat the shit outta the bag and within a couple years the suspension will look like a fine piece of equipment next to the bag it goes on.
Bob


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giza wrote:
Be careful about what and who you slag on the internet - this is a small community and for all you know, someone who designs and manufactures these products may be reading this very thread.

Until you have personal experience with this stuff (haulbags, Fish products, etc..), you should consider keeping your opinion to yourself.

This is the most bullshit post I have read on RC.com, and that is saying a lot.

What? We might hurt Russ's feelings if we don't say anything but the nicest flowery statements about his gear? He's a small child with a delicate ego and it is our responsibility as consumers to make sure that he stays happy?? Bullshit, bullshit, bullshit.....

Yeah, what CC said was hearsay. Big deal. It was clear it was hearsay and he didn't represent it as anything else. We're all big boys and can make our own decisions about who to trust on the internet: The guy saying "i've heard from a friend" and the guy saying "I have and I've used..."

I've avoided buying a ton of gear based on recommendations like, "yo, my friend has those and he says they suck." If I can, I talk to the friend. If I can't I assume that the friend ain't lying and it's his honest opinion that the item sucks. Then I decide if this friend's opinion is worth anything or not.

This nonsense about: "Don't pass on legitimate opinions about gear." is bullshit. This is an obscure sport that few people practice. The more info out there, the better. Just state where you got the info, and let the reader decide if your friend's opinion, your opinion, or some magazine's opinion is worth anything.

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To the OP: make sure to check E-bay before you buy retail. Bags can go for cheap there.


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russwalling wrote:
Moof: easiest way is to just turn the bags inside out and cut the bottom off. Our ledge bags are usually long enough to lose an inch or so... then just sew on the "rash" guard and then sew on a NEW bottom. If you can sew, I'll send you the stuff for free and you can do the job. If not, send your ledge bags in and I'll do it for free, but you are on the hook for shipping both ways. And no, this is not a million eyes on this article internet suck up.... I do stuff like this all the time.... for free, for the guy living in his van down by the river, or the trustafarian up the street.

Russ: Thanks for the offer. I have all the stuff, even an industrial machine to do it with. I like the idea of just hacking off an inch, now I feel dumb for not thinking of that...

BTW, who do you source your VCN fabric from? The stuff I scrounged up is black, which is NOT optimal. I've considred making a Big Wall Solar Oven out of it to hang below the haul bag.


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See.. now, this is some damn good info!!!

russwalling wrote:
. Going rate was a 12'er to drop a bag at the base of Zodiac.

Sheet, I'd pay double that to stroll up to the base carrying just a water bottle and a camera Wink


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Reel 'em in Giza.... I think it is a whopper! I'll get the gaff....


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Hook, line and sinker!! Booyah!!!


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russwalling wrote:
Moof: easiest way is to just turn the bags inside out and cut the bottom off. Our ledge bags are usually long enough to lose an inch or so... then just sew on the "rash" guard and then sew on a NEW bottom. If you can sew, I'll send you the stuff for free and you can do the job. If not, send your ledge bags in and I'll do it for free, but you are on the hook for shipping both ways. And no, this is not a million eyes on this article internet suck up.... I do stuff like this all the time.... for free, for the guy living in his van down by the river, or the trustafarian up the street.

Jesus Christ guys, what happened to the days of "duct tape fixes all ills"?


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Buy the Metolius Half Dome haulbag. End of story.


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so-0-0 i want to go to yose this spring and plan to do one or two big walls there. Was thinking about getting a haul bag that could also be used to transport stuff on the airplane flights...
I might have to recommend AGAINST using one to haul stuff for the flight. Here's why:

In 2005, I was getting ready to solo on Zodiac when a party of two Norwegians approached the base. Their brand-new Metolius haul bag was sporting a pretty big patch of duct tape. I inquired if they hap put the tape there for abrasion resistance.

No, they replied, Customs at JFK couldn't bother with opening the top to see what was inside, they just slit it open with a razor knife to check the contents.

Pretty well fucked, if you ask me. He said that Customs would replace the bag (if he filed a claim) but that's a bunch of red-tape and waiting, plus no way in hell he was going to get a replacement before he got on a wall.


Here's my advice:

Save your euros, trade them for dollars when you get to the states (the weak dollar should be a big plus for you there), then purchase whatever gear you need while you're in-country.

The money's easier to pack, plus the gear in the U.S. might cost you a little less than it would otherwise (IDK), but you certainly wouldn't have to worry about your stuff getting lost in transit and ruining your climbing vacation. Plus, when you take your new gear home, you'll have a ton of momentos from that last climbing trip you tookWink


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Jesus Christ guys, what happened to the days of "duct tape fixes all ills"?

If you have the machine, it is so much more bitching to be on the wall and have someone ask "who did that?" than "WTF is under all that?". I alread have WAY too much duct tape splattere over stuff. It is not pretty.


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Hey, another question to get this thread a bit back on topic Wink

Still about the haulbag - as we plan to spend 5-6 days on the wall, and i weigh my poor 55 kilos (120 pounds or so), what is the best hauling system on the wall to organize so that i would be able to haul by myself without dying after the first pitch? We were thinking about a smaller haulbag (i.e. fish's http://www.fishproducts.com/catalog/haulbags.html grade V haulbag, 5100 cu inches) and an additional bag with portaledge in it, setting up 2 static lines for hauling instead of one...Is this a good idea, or are we completely off here? Is it better to just go with one monster bag, but then what is the best hauling system so that i were able to haul it up all by myself???

Any recommendations/thoughts/advice would be great!


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#1. If you are light, spend extra care to keep the load right. Leave the kitchen sink, and be careful in not bringing way too much food (very common). Fact is ou'll usually be too busy to eat much (not good, but reality).

#2. A 2:1 PTPP hauling ratching is probably worth a try, I've never wanted to take soooo much crap that I needed that much extra crap just to haul it.

#3. Get a big efficient pulley, 3 or 4" to get all ou can out of what you got.

#4. Early on the route wait for your partner and counterweight space haul. It's slower than you'll want, but you'll be able to haul a lot of crap without just suffering.

#5. Just suffer. With a downward pointed jug on the tensioned side of things you can pull up, and press down and pull well over your body weight. Your kidneys won't thank you, but it does work.

#6. Only seen this advocated once before. Use 2 haul lines in a massive 2:1 system. You have to suffer through knot passing, but it does sound functional at least. See: http://www.terragalleria.com/.../pulley-hauling.html

#7. Dig up some of Kate's posts on various forums for inspiration. She's similar in size and still tears it up. She shows up on supertopo as holdplease2.


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uasunflower wrote:
Hey, another question to get this thread a bit back on topic Wink


...and an additional bag with portaledge in it...


Any recommendations/thoughts/advice would be great!
screw the additional bag... flag the ledge on the steep stuff, or pack it away and hang it under your main haulbag.


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A few other things to keep in mind:

- Be extra careful about setting up the haul as high as you can, it makes a large difference in the amount of effort to haul. Consider even setting up a haul off a single bomber bolt (warning: Pro-traxions can get f'ed up if not given sufficient freedom to move!!!) with backup instead of way low off an equalized cordalette or sliding X.

- It may be worth it to get an edge roller if your expected route has decent ledges. Usually a good ledge, while comfy for belaying, results in extra friction for the haul, easily and extra 20-40% in my opinion. I've often thought an exdge roller would be handy while I was in the throws of suffering, but I always cheap out once back on the ground.

- Go to your local crag and practice with the expected load, maybe on a route with similar angle (of available). Try out the assorted hauling schemes (1:1, space hauling, 2:1, 2:1 w/ratchet, 3:1, etc) before you get in the valley. Even small lightweight hauls can be very enlightening (especially helpful to avoid major cluster at the belay).


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Oh yeah...
None of this has anything to do with haul bags really, but moof's comment reminded me of something:


I like to body-haul loads near or in excess of my body-weight... pull yourself a 20-30' length of the lead line from your tie-in point and fix it to the anchor. With your jugs on the light side of the haul and daisy tethers in place, pull up on the heavy side rope (sometimes a jug placed on this line upside-down helps) while you counterweight it with your full weight on the light side. Keep the momentum going till you approach the end of your tether, then jug back up to near the load-capture device and start the process again.

Repeat as necessary till the ledge gets within 10'-15' of your anchor, when you will pull it up the line, remove it from its flag position on your haul line and clip it by the corner to the far bolt of the anchor backing it up with a long sling to the ledge PP. I like to keep the ledge connected to at least something during this entire process, least a strong gust comes out of no-where and attempts to part the ledge from my grip.

Finish the haul, anchor the bag (with a load-releasable knot like the mariner's hitch), zip gear/water/pulley/haul line to your leader as needed, position your ledge for comfort and wait for your partner to finish solo-aiding the pitch above you before repeating. This works best for solo-aid block leads, BTW, and is pretty efficient IME, as the leader is always moving.

With the process outlined above, I've hauled loads consisting of two haul bags and assorted gear probably 20lbs heavier than myself while low on the wall. It gets much easier the higher you go... some of this is due to the ever lightening load, while some may also be attributed to the body-shapeing qualities of Wig-Ballin!Wink


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2 haul bags also makes it easier to split up the loads for the walk off. Otherwise one guys becomes the human wind chime, and the other spends the whole time being dry humped by a haul bag that is still just too heavy.


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moof wrote:
2 haul bags also makes it easier to split up the loads for the walk off. Overwise one guys becomes the human wind chime, and the other spends the whole time being dry humped by a hall bag that is still just too heavy.
for that matter, two haul bags also makes it easier to jettison the (software/trash/anything you're not worried about breaking) to retrieve from the base of the wall after the hike off. Smile

...which will still leave you with a human wind-chime, but a slightly more manageable dry-humping haul bag.Tongue


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hey guys, thx for all the advice, i'll go out and practice to figure it all out...


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i'm kind of late to chiming in .. but what the heck ..

1 - If you have a family member or friend who has a thirst for outdoor adventure, convince them to be your porter to the base, then convince them to be your porter from the summit.

2 - I almost always do my carries to the base with a real backpack (arcterix), a backpack carries 100x better than any haulbag and lets you take more weight with less pain than if you'd carried the haulbag.

3 - if you do have to carry in the bag up tot he base, and you want to suffer less, then consider that here is where the ammount of money you spend will make a difference.

I've had a FISH bag for 4 walls, and its in fine condition, got a hole in it, but that was due to improper packing, and some duct tape fixed it up. It carries like a pig.

I've also climbed with a BD bag, on the wall the two performed pretty much the same (which means that they were heavy, unwieldy and pretty much just sat there and didn't help much in during the hard leads). When hiking back down, I put the really heavy stuff in the BD and tried to keep the FISH one lighter due to the difference in suspension.

I recently got offered a brand new A5 bag for $100 so thats my new primary bag, if i need to bring 2 bags, i'll also being the FISH.

final piece of advice, buy the biggest bag you can find, you'll always be able to use the space.

finally.. whichever bag you choose, it will have 0 impact on wether you can summit, so if this is your first bag, and you are still checking out wether aid climbing is for you, i recommend saving some moola and getting a FISH. plus the extra suffering during the carries will build character.


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Hey, just to say thanks to everyone giving advice here - just back from Yosemite, and here is the trip report!


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ricardol wrote:
i'm kind of late to chiming in .. but what the heck ..

1 - If you have a family member or friend who has a thirst for outdoor adventure, convince them to be your porter to the base, then convince them to be your porter from the summit.
I met you and your sister (?) once a few years back. She's pretty cool, all the more so for going along with your scheme. Smile

It must be nice to have someone on the ground keeping tabs on your progress while soloing, especially if something were to go awry. I look forward to meeting you two again sometime...


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