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austin.timm
May 27, 2008, 7:39 PM
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Hello all,
Facts:
-This is my first time flying with a haul bag.
-I have a Fish Deluxe, 9,000 cu in.
-I don't have enough coin to spring for a large travel bag with fancy zippers and wheels and crap.
-The airlines are imposing a one(1) checked item limit beginning June 1st.
-I am departing June 2nd.
Questions:
-How would you prevent the haul bags contents from spilling out during air travel(falling off the belt loader because the bag was cock-eyed going through the cargo door).
I have an idea of how to do this myself but I don't want to stifle the innovation. Please give some help.
Thanks,
Austin
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redpoint73
May 27, 2008, 7:59 PM
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Garbage bags (couple layers for strength) and duct tape? You can use the thicker heavy-duty style garbage bags available at Home Depot. etc.
AA is charging $15 for the first bag, $25 for additional. I haven't heard of other airlines following suit yet, unless you have heard differently?
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ptlong
May 27, 2008, 8:00 PM
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$40 solution:
$5 solution:
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acorneau
May 27, 2008, 8:01 PM
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austin.timm wrote: Questions: -How would you prevent the haul bags contents from spilling out during air travel(falling off the belt loader because the bag was cock-eyed going through the cargo door).
Go down to your neighborhood sporting good store and find a duffle bag just big enough for your haul bag. No spillage of stuff, cheap to buy, and an extra layer of protection for your haul bag.
Bada-bing, bada-boom.
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austin.timm
May 27, 2008, 8:25 PM
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redpoint73 wrote: AA is charging $15 for the first bag, $25 for additional. I haven't heard of other airlines following suit yet, unless you have heard differently?
http://www.nwa.com/.../checked.html#excess
US Airways and former America West have also started charging for extra items.
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austin.timm
May 27, 2008, 8:37 PM
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austin.timm wrote: redpoint73 wrote: AA is charging $15 for the first bag, $25 for additional. I haven't heard of other airlines following suit yet, unless you have heard differently? US Airways and former America West have also started charging for extra items.
I guess I'll have to carry stuff in my carry on. I wonder what I could put in there that wouldn't be a 'weapon'. Obviously I want clothes to pad most of the weapons in the haul bag...
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stymingersfink
May 28, 2008, 2:26 AM
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depends on where you're flying to and how much the haul bag weighs.
Overseas? Fuggeddabout it. Truble all the way around, from what I've heard. Mostly involving haul bags opened with a razor blade to inspect the contents.
Interstate? keep it under the airline weight limit, or pre-ship it to your destination via UPS. Either way, you should be able to stow all the straps as you would for hauling. duct-tape the top suspension or otherwise secure it. I like the large duffel bag to to cover it idea too, help keep it outta sight of curious eyes.
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guangzhou
May 29, 2008, 7:32 AM
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I have used my haulbags as lugage and have had no problem.
If you're worried about the content falling out, use big bags inside the haulbag. I oad the bottom of the bag first and then fill my regular climbing pack up with other stuff. The climbing pack acts as a big plug.
Again, could be luck, but never had mine get emptied yet.
You can also look at Military surplus stores. They have "Kit" bags. Very strong, large enough for a hal bag, and cheap when bought used.
Cheers,
Enjoy
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reg
May 29, 2008, 11:55 AM
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the solution has been given - put the haul bag in a duffle. Lock it? i would - i believe the airlines have some sort of rule or system so they can look inside if they feel a need. ur gonna pay ah bit more then regular luggage cause of the weight. IMO - the less you carry on the better. hell - wear flipflops! (i hate to fly!) 
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austin.timm
May 29, 2008, 12:31 PM
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guangzhou wrote: I have used my haulbags as lugage and have had no problem.
Just curious what brand of haul bag you have. Mine doesn't have what I would consider a super travel-worthy top closure. Does yours lock down well or do you just tape the hell out of it?
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marc801
May 29, 2008, 1:08 PM
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reg wrote: Lock it? i would - i believe the airlines have some sort of rule or system so they can look inside if they feel a need.
A bigger issue is if you luggage is tightly overstuffed and TSA needs to look inside. It's a sure bet that they won't restuff your bag.
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marde
May 29, 2008, 2:36 PM
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stymingersfink wrote: ... Overseas? Fuggeddabout it. Truble all the way around, from what I've heard. Mostly involving haul bags opened with a razor blade to inspect the contents. ...
they will certainly do if it's a duffle with the pig inside.
????
By now I never had a problem with that and I've never heard about anyone who had a problem with it.
And I know quite a lot of people who flew with haulbags several times overseas.
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redpoint73
May 29, 2008, 3:01 PM
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austin.timm wrote: redpoint73 wrote: AA is charging $15 for the first bag, $25 for additional. I haven't heard of other airlines following suit yet, unless you have heard differently? US Airways and former America West have also started charging for extra items.
Good to know.
Just an FYI for everyone: NWA and US Airways are allowing 1 checked item free, and the second bag is $25. I have never flown America West, so I'm too lazy to research it.
It appears that AA is the only airline (unless anyone knows differently), that is charging even for one checked bag. This policy seems unreasonable at best. Passengers already carry on way too much stuff, and waste time stuffing the overhead bins. AA's new policy is sure to make things even worse.
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stymingersfink
May 29, 2008, 3:30 PM
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marde wrote: stymingersfink wrote: ... Overseas? Fuggeddabout it. Truble all the way around, from what I've heard. Mostly involving haul bags opened with a razor blade to inspect the contents. ... If they don't hesitate to open a haulbag with a razorblade they will certainly do if it's a duffle with the pig inside. ???? By now I never had a problem with that and I've never heard about anyone who had a problem with it. And I know quite a lot of people who flew with haulbags several times overseas.
this was in Oct. 04, i met a couple norwegians at the base of the Zod, nice Metolius pig all decorated with duct tape. Looked like a brand-new bag, other than the tape, so I had to ask if the tape was some kind of anti-abrasion technique.
Na, turned out US Customs wanted to see what was inside the tightly stuffed bright orange monster pig, and rather than open the top and dump out, they merely slit down the side with a razor knife.
The kid said he was going to be fully re-imbursed for the haul bag damage, said he was given a claim ticket n whatnot, but that he wouldn't be able to deal with that till he got back home.
In the meantime he was planning on getting on the Captain, so it was an emergency duct-tape suture job, ugly as fuck at that. Oh well, best of a bad situation and all...
I think he ended up bailing off the Salathe or something, IDK.
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marde
May 29, 2008, 3:40 PM
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i read about that one case.
But what do you think would have happened if the pig had been in a duffle bag?
Because at least my pig isn't easy to fold so I can't pack it to the bottom of a duffle.
So I still can't see the advantage of that duffle.
Besides from saving your pig from some scratches and dirt. 
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ptlong
May 29, 2008, 5:27 PM
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marde wrote: Because at least my pig isn't easy to fold so I can't pack it to the bottom of a duffle. So I still can't see the advantage of that duffle.
The OP has a Fish bag. It will fit in a big duffle like the one pictured above. If the bag is full the top closure isn't super secure by itself so the alternative is using straps or cord or duct tape. A duffle is a much cleaner way to contain it all.
A full haulbag might be overweight. What's the per bag limit these days?
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marde
May 30, 2008, 2:15 PM
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ptlong wrote: ... A full haulbag might be overweight. What's the per bag limit these days?
I spend my money rather for duct tape and beers, but thats just me.
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Jun 3, 2008, 10:01 PM
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I have flown to Mexico City with my Fish Deluxe. It went well. I cinched the drawsting down and tied another bit around the fabric. I also pulled the top 1/2 webbing tight and tied it all up.
Be sure to put the hipbelt and shoulder straps in your carry on. I forgot to pull the belt and it was lost on the way home.
FYI - you can only use an approved lock on your baggage. "Approved" means that the TSA has a master key for it. There isn't much eeason to lock your bags these days. Keep your valuable stuff in your carry on.
No, your rack isnt' that valuable to baggage handlers. They want laptops, Ipods and cameras.
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cchas
Jun 4, 2008, 6:51 PM
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I've travelled with my haul bag as the primary bag to Nepal once, peru once, and canada twice and its never been that big of a deal.
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redpoint73
Jun 4, 2008, 7:30 PM
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ptlong wrote: What's the per bag limit these days?
Usually 50 lb., then they charge you lots extra (Example: American charges $50 for a bag 70-100 lb.; $100 for a bag 70-100 lb.).
But this varies by airline, of course.
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practicallyfree
Jun 7, 2008, 8:45 PM
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I was a ramper for a while (understatement) working for a regional carrier, so no I probably didn't get the chance (privilege) to chuck your personal bags around but here are a few tips for airline travel...
First, The last guy that I would worry about is the baggage handler that you see outside the airplane. He touches about 2000 bags just like yours all day long. These guys would be fired on the spot if they opened your bag. On the other hand a supervisor can with reasonable cause, like if they hear a ticking sound. (Note: if your bag just fly’s open, all bets are off).
Second, TSA is a VERY different story. They can do anything, at anytime, anywhere. They have taken things from me that weren't even on the "list", even when I was flying for airline business. The whole climbing equipment carry on situation is very fuzzy. Technically climbing equipment isn't on the "list" but they add things that look sharp, pointed, or unusual on the fly if they want. Just pray you get an agent that knows what climbing gear is!
Third, Flying out of the US should not be too big of a deal. Although coming back, EVERY SINGLE BAG is opened. Other countries don't screen bags like we (the US) do. If your bag is cut you need to talk to the airline and get them to replace it (Note: locks are not part of this deal).
As far as packing the pig, a large sports duffel bag would be good, but I would suggest something more like a military one because they are cheap at army surplus stores and durable. Plus they tend to get slightly better care in route.
[Edit] Forgot one thing. If you find an airline that doesn't charge for the second bag, take advantage because they will. I would be surprised to see airlines charge for the first one any time soon.
(This post was edited by practicallyfree on Jun 7, 2008, 8:48 PM)
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practicallyfree wrote: I would be surprised to see airlines charge for the first one any time soon.
Here's the latest on bags allowed, charge for 2nd, and overweight charges for each bag. Remember these are one-way charges. Technically, they can charge these extras for each leg of your trip:
Bags Allowed per person/2nd/51-70 lbs/71-100 lbs
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American Airlines:1st bag $15/2nd bag $25/$50/$100
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Continental:1 free/2nd $100/$50/Not allowed
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Delta: 1 /(2nd bag $25)/$80/$150
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Jet Blue: 1 /(2nd bag $20, 3 or more $75 each)/$50/$100
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Northwest: 1 /(2nd bag $25)/$50/Not allowed
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Southwest: 2/no charge/$25/$50
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United: 2/no charge/$100/$100
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US Airways: 1/ (2nd bag $25**)/$50/$100
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Virgin America: 1/ (2nd bag $25**)/$25/$50
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** 2nd bag has higher overweight fees
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guanoboy
Jun 7, 2008, 9:41 PM
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i've had two bags, one regular travel bag and one haul bag, sliced open with a razor. Neither had locks on them. I never thought to file a complaint figuring it would never work. Good to hear that it may.
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stymingersfink
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guanoboy wrote: i've had two bags, one regular travel bag and one haul bag, sliced open with a razor. Neither had locks on them. I never thought to file a complaint figuring it would never work. Good to hear that it may.
OTOH, paying international deliver fees may not be the best way, but the good thing is, you'd know it was going to be delivered intact, else the shipper'd have an insurance claim to deal with sure as shit.
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austin.timm
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Ok, thanks to everyone that tried to help. I simply packed my haul bag as I would for a wall and then tied down all the straps on top and had absolutely no problem.
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stymingersfink
Jun 11, 2008, 2:17 AM
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austin.timm wrote: Ok, thanks to everyone that tried to help. I simply packed my haul bag as I would for a wall and then tied down all the straps on top and had absolutely no problem.
ya know what else would be good to hear?
a TR telling us how you sent a sick line line, or epic`d miserably.
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