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Does anyone knows what happened here?

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DYLLWILD, Calif.—Riverside County authorities say two rock climbers have been injured in a fall near Idyllwild—one critically.

Fire Capt. Timothy Bingham says the climbers were in the Suicide Rocks area on Saturday when the man fell more than 100 feet and suffered head injuries. Rescuers carried him about a mile to safety and he was airlifted to a hospital in critical condition.

Bingham says a woman who was tethered to the climber was injured by the force of his fall.

Two other climbers rescued her but the weather turned bad and they were pelted with hail as they repelled down a rock face with her.

The woman also was hospitalized but there was no immediate word on her condition.

http://www.mercurynews.com/...50260?nclick_check=1


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I was at Tahquitz yesterday. Just as Mother Nature let loose with her first salvo of heavy hale and rain we heard/saw a fire engine show up below in Humber Park. As we began to bail, a chopper started to circle Suicide and the weather cleared briefly. I assumed the rescue was a climber who had panicked when the rain hit. Thanks to the short beak in the weather we were able to get down without any problem.

I was pulling my rope when Ma Nature took her second shot at us, the injured climbers, and their rescuers. It was the most vicious weather episode I have ever experienced personally. We were pelted with walnut sized hale and torrential rain. By the time we got back to our packs, at the base of the right side of west face, near Fingertrip, all hell had broken loose. There a was huge waterfall coming down to the left of Shit For Brains, the climbers trail coming down from the South Face was fully engulfed in water (my partner may have a pic), the hale was bouncing off the face and it sounded like bullets ricocheting off my helmet. Although I couldn’t see any lighting, the sound of thunder above us was almost continuous. I imagine the lightning on the summit created a death zone. Now imagine trying to rescue this couple under these conditions??? Not a pretty thought..

My partner and I were soaked, but it was warm and we were in good spirits as we headed to lunch rock. On the traverse we encountered flash flooding conditions with heavy mud flows. Instead of heading straight down I wanted to make sure the group on White Maiden’s Walkway were okay, so we climbed above lunch rock and saw a climber taking shelter under a tree about 150 feet ahead. He was okay and told us the group had gotten down fine. The rest of his group had taken shelter under lunch rock but were unable to descend in the heavy hale because they were sans helmets. They were the only group I had seen all day, with them safe, we headed down the stream/trail.

The flow was pretty heavy on some parts of the trail, but I’m not sure if it damaged or improved that trail. The hale accumulated on the slope as we descended and it liked like snow covering the ground. On the short walk on the Ernie Maxwell trail, it looked as if had taken some real damage. The roads leaving the park were pretty well covered with debris too.

We didn’t see SAR in the park, so I thought the rescue was no big deal till I was this. I hope the injured climber(s) is/are recovering well. I also wanted to extend thanks and respect to the Riverside Mountain Rescue Unit, and to the other climbers who assisted with the rescue under those horrible conditions.

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http://www.supertopo.com/...html?topic_id=665169

Trevor and Claire. Long fall with broken helmet.

[edit: see above link for many more details. Inexperienced leader fell on the second pitch, pulled his only cam, hit the belayer, knocking her unconscious. He continued falling further, the belay anchor (one cam, one nut), failed. He continued falling 120' to the ground, as his unconscious belayer did not arrest the rope. If the rope had stopped or jammed in her belay device, she would probably have fallen to the ground as well.]


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hope everyone's ok


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Just spoke with Trevor's roommate. Trevor is still in critical condition. He broke his C2 vertebra. He came out of a coma last night and was moving all limbs but they put him back into a drug induced coma. Claire broke her arm with the force of his fall, and has other minor injuries. She went home last night.

Not sure about the details of exactly what went wrong. He was wearing a helmet, which apparently was cracked. Probably saved his life though.


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mturner wrote:
Just spoke with Trevor's roommate. Trevor is still in critical condition. He broke his C2 vertebra. He came out of a coma last night and was moving all limbs but they put him back into a drug induced coma. Claire broke her arm with the force of his fall, and has other minor injuries. She went home last night.

Not sure about the details of exactly what went wrong. He was wearing a helmet, which apparently was cracked. Probably saved his life though.
Was it a meteor-style helmet that's meant to break?


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sungam wrote:
mturner wrote:
Just spoke with Trevor's roommate. Trevor is still in critical condition. He broke his C2 vertebra. He came out of a coma last night and was moving all limbs but they put him back into a drug induced coma. Claire broke her arm with the force of his fall, and has other minor injuries. She went home last night.

Not sure about the details of exactly what went wrong. He was wearing a helmet, which apparently was cracked. Probably saved his life though.
Was it a meteor-style helmet that's meant to break?

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"Two people were seriously injured while rock climbing on Suicide Rock near Idyllwild during a pounding rainstorm, a fire official said Sunday.

The man and woman, in their late 20s and from the Los Angeles area, were on a route called "Captain Hook" at 12:30 p.m. Saturday when the man fell about 85 feet and hit the woman, said Idyllwild Fire Department firefighter Henry Negrete.

The man had critical head injuries, and was possibly in a coma, when he was flown to Riverside County Regional Medical Center in Moreno Valley, Negrete said.

The woman may have broken bones near her eyes, but regained consciousness as she was airlifted to a hospital, he said.

"He was the lead climber and he had led out some 80 feet without putting in any protection," said Negrete, who has been doing cliff rescues for about 20 years. "When he fell he hit his belayer and she fell into a pile of rocks."

Another climber found the fallen man wedged upside down between the cliff and a tree, Negrete said.

"He was already blue in the face, wasn't breathing," Negrete said.

"The other climber thought he broke his neck and he was dead.

The other climber "moved him a little, and he spontaneously started breathing."

A half-dozen climbers who were already at Suicide worked to get the injured pair down from the steep ground, while about a dozen Idyllwild and CalFire firefighters walked in a quarter-mile, Negrete said.

A CalFire helicopter crew lowered one team member and gear but had to retreat when marble-sized hail began battering the injured climbers and the rescuers, Negrete said.

"It was a tremendous storm with marble-sized hail," Negrete said. "It was a flash flood, basically, with rocks and logs, water one to two feet deep at the base of the cliff. No lightning strikes, though. We eventually carried both patients out."

The man was combative at times and appeared to be having seizures due to his injuries, but he never regained full consciousness, Negrete said. The woman did regain consciousness.

The two climbers were taken to a landing zone at a camp closer to central Idyllwild, and flown to hospitals, Negrete said. Both climbers were from Los Angeles County, Negrete said, though he wasn't sure of their hometowns.

"Captain Hook" at Suicide is rated 5.7 on a subjective scale, meaning beginners would likely find it difficult and experienced climbers may find it easy and fun, according to the Web site rockclimbing.com.

Whether the Los Angeles pair were on that route or another, Suicide Rock is renowned among many climbers for its quality routes.

http://cbs2.com/local/Rock.Climbers.Suicide.2.807301.html

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In reply to:
Here are some images I have taken of the incoming storm, rescue helicopter and little waterfall that was right next to us. I would have taken more pictures but my camera was not waterproof and it got wet. It was pouring down so hard that my water resistant soft shell was soaked through. Good thing BJ realized that we may be rained on after I pointed out dark clouds close by and didn't lead us to a harder bailout position.

Pictures: http://www.tomkitta.com/...1DA-E5D11865F82CF709


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clintcummins wrote:
Inexperienced eader fell on the second pitch, pulled his only cam, hit the belayer, knocking her unconscious. He continued falling further, the belay anchor (one cam, one nut), failed. He continued falling 120' to the ground, as his unconscious belayer did not arrest the rope. If the rope had stopped or jammed in her belay device, she would probably have fallen to the ground as well.]

Ho-ly crap! All that and both are still alive!?! Yeow! I hope both recover.

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hi my name is micah. I was there sat morning. i had just got down from spatula and two girls come run up asking for litters. we being just to left and 50 or so feet from the litter. as i got it i had heard about the fall. One of the locals Clark was the first there. Clark and i and 3 others climbers got him down. Clark and i helped the Fire dept./Emts get trever down to the waiting amb. I would like to know where he is and if he is ok. weather was not our friend that day. I have lived in Texas for 13 years and lived throw hail storms. That had to be the biggest hail i have seen yet.


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This is from SuperTopo:

finally got to talk to Claire tonight to get the real story so... here it goes.

The two were on Captain Hook. They had finished the first pitch and had started up the second. Claire was belaying from the ledge atop the first pitch. The anchor consisted of one nut (size unknown) and a #3 BD cam. The anchor was skimpy because Trevor wanted to conserve gear for the next pitch. He began the second pitch of which the first 20 or so feet was unprotectable (at least with the gear they had). After this section, Trevor placed a #1 BD cam and proceeded to climb above it. He complained of some difficulties with the climbing and suddenly pitched off backwards. He came tight to the #1 which he was roughly 5 feet above. The cam pulled and he continued falling backward, now head-first, toward the belay. Claire locked off the rope through her ATC and braced inward against the wall to arrest the fall. Trevor hit Claire causing her to slam into the wall leading to fractures of her cheek bone, arm and wrist. Claire also was knocked unconscious at this point. Trevor continued his fall and as the rope came tight through the anchor, the two pieces failed. Luckily for Claire, she had collapsed onto the ledge when she passed out. Her unconscious state also led to a relaxed grip on the rope. Thus, as Trevor continued falling, Claire remained on the ledge despite the anchor blowing. Had she not been knocked out, she would have certainly kept a tight hold on the brake and undoubtedly would have been pulled off the ledge into a fall with Trevor. Sadly, under these circumstances, there was virtually nothing that would have kept Trevor from decking but Claire somehow escaped the same fate.

Trevor was wearing a helmet and this surely saved his life. As he fell head-first for nearly 120 feet, he hit his head several times and broke his helmet. He also, as mentioned before, broke his neck. He'll be in a brace to immobilize his neck for 3 months. The doctors are surprised, however, at how quickly he is recovering and said he may be released as early as Tuesday, a short hospital stay for such an injury in my opinion. The blood clot on his brain is being monitored and has not grown since yesterday. This will obviously need to be continuously monitored.

He is also alert and talking so it appears that the likelihood of permanent brain damage is minimal.

Claire is at home and in good spirits. She was her normal cheery self on the phone though notably shaken when she was describing the scenario to me. She'll need some re-constructive surgery on her face from the fractured cheek. She also, if the initial injuries weren't enough, suffered numerous contusions from some very sizable hail which began to fall during a nasty storm that rolled in shortly after the incident. She was stranded on the ledge for approximately two hours before she was rescued and unable to find any shelter from the elements.

We all hope for a speedy recovery for both of them.

A big thanks goes out to all of the climbers/SAR members who assisted in their rescue!! The first two to find Trevor at the base happened to be EMTs and jumped right into action stabilizing Trevor and orchestrating his extraction. There were a number of others who helped to carry them off the mountain on the litters which is no easy task. Also, a special thanks goes out to Ryan Moore (sp?) who hiked back in the the route to retrieve their gear and Claire's car which he then drove down the mountain to Riverside County Hospital where the two had been airlifted.

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robdotcalm wrote:
This is from SuperTopo:

finally got to talk to Claire tonight to get the real story so... here it goes.

The two were on Captain Hook. They had finished the first pitch and had started up the second. Claire was belaying from the ledge atop the first pitch. The anchor consisted of one nut (size unknown) and a #3 BD cam. The anchor was skimpy because Trevor wanted to conserve gear for the next pitch. He began the second pitch of which the first 20 or so feet was unprotectable (at least with the gear they had). After this section, Trevor placed a #1 BD cam and proceeded to climb above it. He complained of some difficulties with the climbing and suddenly pitched off backwards. He came tight to the #1 which he was roughly 5 feet above. The cam pulled and he continued falling backward, now head-first, toward the belay. Claire locked off the rope through her ATC and braced inward against the wall to arrest the fall. Trevor hit Claire causing her to slam into the wall leading to fractures of her cheek bone, arm and wrist. Claire also was knocked unconscious at this point. Trevor continued his fall and as the rope came tight through the anchor, the two pieces failed. Luckily for Claire, she had collapsed onto the ledge when she passed out. Her unconscious state also led to a relaxed grip on the rope. Thus, as Trevor continued falling, Claire remained on the ledge despite the anchor blowing. Had she not been knocked out, she would have certainly kept a tight hold on the brake and undoubtedly would have been pulled off the ledge into a fall with Trevor. Sadly, under these circumstances, there was virtually nothing that would have kept Trevor from decking but Claire somehow escaped the same fate.

Trevor was wearing a helmet and this surely saved his life. As he fell head-first for nearly 120 feet, he hit his head several times and broke his helmet. He also, as mentioned before, broke his neck. He'll be in a brace to immobilize his neck for 3 months. The doctors are surprised, however, at how quickly he is recovering and said he may be released as early as Tuesday, a short hospital stay for such an injury in my opinion. The blood clot on his brain is being monitored and has not grown since yesterday. This will obviously need to be continuously monitored.

He is also alert and talking so it appears that the likelihood of permanent brain damage is minimal.

Claire is at home and in good spirits. She was her normal cheery self on the phone though notably shaken when she was describing the scenario to me. She'll need some re-constructive surgery on her face from the fractured cheek. She also, if the initial injuries weren't enough, suffered numerous contusions from some very sizable hail which began to fall during a nasty storm that rolled in shortly after the incident. She was stranded on the ledge for approximately two hours before she was rescued and unable to find any shelter from the elements.

We all hope for a speedy recovery for both of them.

A big thanks goes out to all of the climbers/SAR members who assisted in their rescue!! The first two to find Trevor at the base happened to be EMTs and jumped right into action stabilizing Trevor and orchestrating his extraction. There were a number of others who helped to carry them off the mountain on the litters which is no easy task. Also, a special thanks goes out to Ryan Moore (sp?) who hiked back in the the route to retrieve their gear and Claire's car which he then drove down the mountain to Riverside County Hospital where the two had been airlifted.

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great update, thanks


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Here's another interesting observation from SuperTopo:

Finally, after thinking in detail about the scenario Llama described, it seems to me the only way this could have happened is if Claire were belaying Trevor "redirected"*. Llama, can you verify this with Claire?

If so, perhaps this is further evidence that using a redirected belay to belay a leader is a Bad Idea. I'm often surprised by how many people seem to advocate belaying this way, or simply do so because they haven't thought about it. As far as I know, many (most? all?) of the real experts strongly advise against it, because it significantly increases (roughly doubles) the forces on the anchor in exactly this scenario.

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* redirected - belay device attached to belayer's harness, but rope goes from there through anchor, then on to climber, as opposed to "indirect" (same, except rope does not go through anchor) or "direct" (belay device is attached directly to anchor instead of to belayer; not usually used to belay a leader)


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robdotcalm wrote:
This is from SuperTopo:

The anchor consisted of one nut (size unknown) and a #3 BD cam. The anchor was skimpy because Trevor wanted to conserve gear for the next pitch.

That sounds like a clear error on the part of both the leader, and the more experienced second, who should have insisted on a bomber anchor.
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robdotcalm wrote:
Here's another interesting observation from SuperTopo:

Finally, after thinking in detail about the scenario Llama described, it seems to me the only way this could have happened is if Claire were belaying Trevor "redirected"*....

If so, perhaps this is further evidence that using a redirected belay to belay a leader is a Bad Idea.

It generally is considered a bad idea, unless the anchor consists of bomber bolts. On a two-piece gear anchor it is certainly a bad idea. On the other hand, in this case, a redirected belay might have been what prevented her from being pulled off the ledge. Obviously, that is speculative.

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I think that's a good question and a good discussion, but can we move it to another thread so that we don't muddle up the injury and accident report?


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climbingaggie03 wrote:
I think that's a good question and a good discussion, but can we move it to another thread so that we don't muddle up the injury and accident report?

No

RC mods are well known on removing threads to recycling bin on regular bases and there is no need to turbocharger this thread. Let's just keep it the way it is and talk about issues as long as the discussions are within the topic.


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Does anyone has a picture of this ledge or the crack ?


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I'm surprised that the inexperienced leader was satisfied enough with that anchor to leave it. Either way, Claire let him leave the belay so she must have agreed...


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I was one of the climbers that helped to get Trevor off of the mountain. I am SO HAPPY AND RELIEVED to hear that he is alive!!! It is a miracle. When I first saw him, and in the following hour that I spent with him, I was not optimistic about his chances. The storm, additionally, was insane and hampered rescue efforts.

I wanted to add that I did not see the supposed #1 cam that popped. When I approached him he was on the ground, still tied in to the rope, but there was no gear. We untied him so we could move him into the litter.

I want to applaud the group of climbers that helped in this rescue effort.

Best wishes to both Trevor and Claire.


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I agree that a 2 piece gear anchor is never a good idea. My question is why did 3 placements fail? (the #1 cam placed on the climb and the 2 piece anchor) Especially since claire (i don't know her, but from what people say, she sounds solid) probably checked those pieces at the belay.

I know that this is a new leader, but still I'd have hoped when I was a new leader that by the time I was leading things that i might fall on, at least 1 out of 3 of my pieces would have held. Maybe i was being too optimistic then.


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climbingaggie03 wrote:
I agree that a 2 piece gear anchor is never a good idea. My question is why did 3 placements fail? (the #1 cam placed on the climb and the 2 piece anchor) Especially since claire (i don't know her, but from what people say, she sounds solid) probably checked those pieces at the belay.

I know that this is a new leader, but still I'd have hoped when I was a new leader that by the time I was leading things that i might fall on, at least 1 out of 3 of my pieces would have held. Maybe i was being too optimistic then.

A good climber should build his anchor not based on number of pieces on the wall but based on what the maximum forces may apply to their anchor in SOL situation such as both leader and belayer falling from the anchor.


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Fair enough, but I can't imagine an SOL situation that would include me wanting a 2 piece gear anchor.

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I really don't understand this point of view, to be honest.

It seems to me that you reduce the peak force seen in a fall// chances of catastrophic failure by building a solid anchor with the consequence meaning running it out a little more. Right?

Especially given that he ran it out right off the anchor anyway.

How would it be better to build a crappier anchor but have 1 extra piece of gear for the pitch?

The thinking that it would be better to have a crappy anchor but not have to run it out seems to me to be an indication of a SCARED train of thought NOT a rational one,eh?

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