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1 42 / 48%
2 15 / 17%
3 5 / 6%
4 6 / 7%
5 2 / 2%
6+ 17 / 20%
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Acquaintances, friends, partners, people whom you have known personally who died in climbing related accidents.

Kind of a morbid topic, but it seemed relevant, especially given the rash of injuries and accidents we've had lately come up on the site.

I've had a few, but never been at a serious accident site yet, and hope to never.


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I'm one person removed from 6 fatal accidents off the top my head. I've however never known anyone who's died while climbing.


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camhead wrote:
Acquaintances, friends, partners, people whom you have known personally who died in climbing related accidents.

Kind of a morbid topic, but it seemed relevant, especially given the rash of injuries and accidents we've had lately come up on the site.

I've had a few, but never been at a serious accident site yet, and hope to never.

Your poll is biased. I have known zero people who have died climbing but I cannot vote for zero! Your results will not be accurate.

Dave


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I consider death as a gateway to a better climbing


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2, but they were technically mountaineering. Beware, those of you who scoff at Oregon's "small" mountains.


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way too many. two in the valley. most of the others in the mountains. most folks on this site climb in the gym, or local sport crags, or the roadside "trad" cliff.

that means that most folks here don't come into contact with the other side of the sport.


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way too many. two in the valley. most of the others in the mountains. most folks on this site climb in the gym, or local sport crags, or the roadside "trad" cliff.

that means that most folks here don't come into contact with the other side of the sport.

With the utmost respect to mountaineers everywhere, if sticking to cragging means I don't have to bury friends then I'll take it.


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knieveltech wrote:
k.l.k wrote:
way too many. two in the valley. most of the others in the mountains. most folks on this site climb in the gym, or local sport crags, or the roadside "trad" cliff.

that means that most folks here don't come into contact with the other side of the sport.

With the utmost respect to mountaineers everywhere, if sticking to cragging means I don't have to bury friends then I'll take it.
You might be disappointed.

That's how my friend died.


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I can agree with that.


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Oh, and two. I accidentally ticked "1" on the poll, though.


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Hmmm ... no vote for zero. I must be one of the lucky ones!


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At least a dozen, Paul. Fortunately, none of them were climbing with me at the time.

Andy Metz
Max Lyon
Kevin Bein
Ken Black
Rob Slater
Bill Ravitch
Shelley Windsor
Todd Skinner
Mike Reardon
Bob Kamps
Otto Vaclavek
John Bachar

Edit: I have added to this list since my original post.

Curt


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One. One too many.

There was also one other (a non-climber) who died in a climbing area from a fall. I didn't know him before that day, but I got to know him during the 4 hours I cared for him before he died there. It affected me just the same as if he had been a climber.


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Fortunately, no one on the other end of my rope. I have shared a rope at one time or another with at least 2, and had met a few others that were taken while "climbing". Being in a relatively smallish climbing community/state, one tends to cross paths often with good people who leave early, but in passing doing what they love.

edit: Before I put on rock shoes for the first time, I knew a climber who went in an automobile accident--he was 21 and left a proud legacy around Butte whilst he climbed here.

RIP: Dwight Bishop, Tony Rich, Winston Hough, et al...


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curt wrote:
At least 10, Paul. Fortunately, none of them were climbing with me at the time.

Andy Metz
Max Lyon
Kevin Bein
Ken Black
Rob Slater
Bill Ravitch
Shelley Windsor
Todd Skinner
Mike Reardon
Bob Kamps

There may even be a few more that I'm not recalling right now.

Curt

you never said what you find out on Shelley Windsor case when you rap down to investigate leaving me in black hole.I still like to know what you discovered even if you have to guess on what went wrong.


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Why is there no zero option??? Mad


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You need a zero option.


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2 so far. I hope that number never goes up any further. It's too high already.

Serious injury, even more. Hell, your woman was one of them (Hound Ears a few years back)


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jammer wrote:
Hmmm ... no vote for zero. I must be one of the lucky ones!

I'm very happy to second you on this.

Lets keep it that way eh.


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None. More than one parapalegic though.

DMT


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Three.

Two died in a mountaneering accident -- fell on the descent from Pico de Orizaba in 1999. Actually, there were three people who died in that accident, but I only knew two of them personally.

One other was a woman I knew only casually. She died in a rapelling accident at the New in 2005.




For some reason I think that I am missing someone else.


I also know of several very serious near-misses that involved massive traumas.


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majid_sabet wrote:
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At least 10, Paul. Fortunately, none of them were climbing with me at the time.

Andy Metz
Max Lyon
Kevin Bein
Ken Black
Rob Slater
Bill Ravitch
Shelley Windsor
Todd Skinner
Mike Reardon
Bob Kamps

There may even be a few more that I'm not recalling right now.

Curt

you never said what you find out on Shelley Windsor case when you rap down to investigate leaving me in black hole.I still like to know what you discovered even if you have to guess on what went wrong.

I think that it turned out that the webbing was not actually tied together on the tree; all the info is on this site somewhere.

I put three; Shelley was one of them, although I only climbed with her for a couple days.

My friend Jimmy from Dallas also died soloing in Mexico a couple years ago, and one of my very early climbing acquaintances when I was 19 died in the Wind Rivers after a rope got stuck rapping from a multipitch and he opted just to leave it and downclimb 200 feet of 5.4.

And yes, I suppose I should have put an option for "0," so we could see how many people on this site have not lost anyone.


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majid_sabet wrote:
curt wrote:
At least 10, Paul. Fortunately, none of them were climbing with me at the time.

Andy Metz
Max Lyon
Kevin Bein
Ken Black
Rob Slater
Bill Ravitch
Shelley Windsor
Todd Skinner
Mike Reardon
Bob Kamps

There may even be a few more that I'm not recalling right now.

Curt

you never said what you find out on Shelley Windsor case when you rap down to investigate leaving me in black hole.I still like to know what you discovered even if you have to guess on what went wrong.

Actually, I wrote and posted a very complete analysis of that accident. A simple search would have found it for you.

http://www.rockclimbing.com/...;;page=unread#unread

Curt


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Just one, and there's a nice route named in his memory: Thank you Scott.

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One - the guy who taught / introduced me to climbing died while rapping off a route in either France or Switzerland about three years ago. Never got a chance to take him climbing after I developed as a climber when I left grad school.


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Curt, did you know John Rosholt?

Anyone ever hear further details, beyond that his car was found more or less downtown? I only knew him online, but some days I still wonder about him.

Anyone, feel free to PM me to keep from derailing this thread.

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Stopped counting after 20.


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Curt, did you know John Rosholt?

Anyone ever hear further details, beyond that his car was found more or less downtown? I only knew him online, but some days I still wonder about him.

Anyone, feel free to PM me to keep from derailing this thread.

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Yes, I knew John, but I don't currently have any reason to believe that his disappearance was related to a climbing accident.

Curt


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Agreed. Sorry to derail the thread, I'd just been thinking about The Gambler recently.

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Knowing of is one thing, watching is whole different situation.

I don't keep track of the number I have known. I watched 3 fatalities occur.


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Only one friend, this summer actually. RIP Triplett.

shorty wrote:
Knowing of is one thing, watching is whole different situation.

I don't keep track of the number I have known. I watched 3 fatalities occur.


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How come zero isn't an option? I haven't personally known anyone who's died in the 20+ years I've been climbing. I've seen one person suffer from massive head trauma who later died a few weeks later (I learned from a friend who went to college with them). Would you like me to count this one death, or are you just looking to see how many personal acquantances of mine have died?

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Too many friends, and far too many others that I have met.


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One more vote for none. I have seen several bad accidents, but never a fatality. I hope to keep it that way, but in this sport thats kind of hard to do.


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None. More than one parapalegic though.

DMT

Jesus that's frightening.

I've watched 1.
I've had a friend who decked (and honestly probably should have died) but he was just bruised up.
Another friend decked and broke his wrist.


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2 so far. I hope that number never goes up any further. It's too high already.

Serious injury, even more. Hell, your woman was one of them (Hound Ears a few years back)

F*#k. Change my vote to 3 Frown


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Two for me. And I've been first responder at several bad accidents. Thankfully, none of those died.


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up to four for me. dammit.


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George Gardner
Erica Kutscher
Mike Sofranko
Sue Miller

Make good decisions and take care of each other out there...


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Four all in the space of a year. All mountaineering, in three separate accidents.


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I don't know how to count this up. It could be quite a lot or it could be zero. Like, I had bumped into Derek Hershey and was in the valley the day he fell on Sentinal and died. Does he count? I wouldn't thing so.

I only climbed one weekend with the great climber Dwight Bishop, yet really didn't know him personally - does he count?

I personally saw and got involved with 3 various people who died at Smith Rocks, lowered 2 of them off of Trezlar (they were dead but we didn't know it for both till they got down) and did CPR on one other on Chimney De Chelly as a first responder -we had eaten breakfast that morning at the next table over and had made brief introductions, and were climbing 40 feet away when the fall occurred - didn't know them at all to speak of, do they count?

I was hired to help guide for the company International Climbing Expedition when the 3 founders, all amazing rock-solid expert alpinists, went to K2 in '86. 2 of them died in an avalanche, but I didn't know them and had not met any of them, -do I count them?

Pat and Dave Shermer, good climbers: they were tied together and slid off that cliff on the North face of Hood and Pat died. I went to go see Dave in the hospital afterwards to show support - and as we knew common friends. He recognized me, and greeted my by name, but we really didn't know each other other than by reputation I suppose.

Lots more of those kinds of things. Lots and lots. So it may be between zero and 20+ I bet depending on how it gets counted.


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drector wrote:
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Acquaintances, friends, partners, people whom you have known personally who died in climbing related accidents.

Kind of a morbid topic, but it seemed relevant, especially given the rash of injuries and accidents we've had lately come up on the site.

I've had a few, but never been at a serious accident site yet, and hope to never.

Your poll is biased. I have known zero people who have died climbing but I cannot vote for zero! Your results will not be accurate.

Dave

yeh, you need to have a zero option. i vote zero, but i havent been climbing very long. hopefully i never know anyone who dies climbing.


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I haven't known any fatalities, but I have had two friends have "near " misses in the last year.

One was due to rockfall to the head and another was a refrigerator size block pin a friend by the leg out near Lumpy Ridge. He just started climbing again but has a gruesome scar.

Josh


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I didn't vote. Why is there not a 0 on the vote, it starts at 1.

I've not known anyone to die from climbing. I was almost to the top of a route at Octopus garden last year when someone died from a fall within that same area, I didn't see it, except to see him lifted by the helicopter and I could tell it wasn't good from all I could see, but I didn't know him.


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Zero, but that wasn't a poll option. I have assisted in an accident rescue. He (some kid further down the crag) was hospitalized for a while. I found out later that he had a brain anurism (sp?) prior to climbing which had affected his judgement, he only placed one piece on a top rope anchor and was rappeling and the piece failed. It was crazy, but he lived.


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knieveltech wrote:
k.l.k wrote:
way too many. two in the valley. most of the others in the mountains. most folks on this site climb in the gym, or local sport crags, or the roadside "trad" cliff.

that means that most folks here don't come into contact with the other side of the sport.

With the utmost respect to mountaineers everywhere, if sticking to cragging means I don't have to bury friends then I'll take it.

That's no guarantee.



>Cam


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coastal_climber wrote:
knieveltech wrote:
k.l.k wrote:
way too many. two in the valley. most of the others in the mountains. most folks on this site climb in the gym, or local sport crags, or the roadside "trad" cliff.

that means that most folks here don't come into contact with the other side of the sport.

With the utmost respect to mountaineers everywhere, if sticking to cragging means I don't have to bury friends then I'll take it.

That's no guarantee.



>Cam

Agreed. I think we can all agree it does improve the odds though.


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Only 1. He died on Mount Aspiring in New Zealand.

RIP Austin Hanchey


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I haven't known any one personally, although I did meet a man just before he died.

That one has haunted me to this day. He said to me that he couldn't imagine a better day to be out climbing. And he was dead less than an hour later.


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Two... who died in an avalanche near Mt Cook the first year I started climbing. They were roped together in a team of three. Another friend, the third in the rope team, was buried for 45 minutes before they found them... he was alive and relatively uninjured, despite severe hypothermia and frost nip.

...since then I've just been on the scene of a fair few climbing and mountaineering accidents... all people I didn't know but a few that I had conversed with not long prior...


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I didn't vote because there was no 0 option!! I've had some friends and climbing partners have very close calls that *could* have resulted in death, but they were all very lucky. Well, I don't know how lucky you can consider yourself after multiple surgeries, a month in the hospital, months of bed rest and then no weight bearing for several more months on top of that. But at that point, I think he was lucky to be alive!

The closest I've come to knowing someone who died was being at the area when it happened. There were 2 deaths at Squamish last summer -- and both of them were in a cragging area (not even multi-pitch climbing) that is right off the path and gets a ton of traffic. There was a death there a long time ago, and this summer one guy died while either testing his gear or taking practice falls depending on who you talk to (wasn't wearing a helmet, flipped upside down, and hit his head), and the other guy died because he had a heart attack while climbing!! How crazy is it to die while climbing even though the death was completely non-climbing related? I was at the same crag, but not at that area so I didn't see either of these happen, but it was still freaky to hear about at the camp ground that night!! I'm starting to think the Neat and Cool area of the Smoke Bluffs is cursed or something!!


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I've helped recover a body while rafting and heard that more people die of heart attacks than drowning, but that is probably contributed to by the shock of the cold water.

I'm still (very thankfully) untouched by death at the crags, so my vote would be for 0.


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I was going to click 1, but Mike Reardon didn't die while climbing... He had finished climbing as was just posing for a pic at the base when a rouge wave hit him.

I've done CPR on a climber who died in the Gunks, but I didn't know him.


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Personally three, two on rock and one alpine. RIP guys.


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i'd be willing to bet that most of you don't know anyone who's died climbing. u see, most climbers who die in accidents die falling, not climbing. the only people i've ever heard of dieing climbing, got smoked by rocks or struck by lightning.


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EvilMonkey wrote:
i'd be willing to bet that most of you don't know anyone who's died climbing. u see, most climbers who die in accidents die falling, not climbing. the only people i've ever heard of dieing climbing, got smoked by rocks or struck by lightning.

I feel compelled to tell you that if you are going to argue semantics it's not the fall that kills you, its the sudden stop at the end.


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Also too many and I'm sadden by just clicking Post.

My friends....Smile


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Im more of a novice climber have not seen any big ones but i remember watching Osman and his gut wrenching dinos and hes the only climber i am familiar with that died



R.I.P. Osman and all the fallen climber comrades


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I had a friend by the name of Dwight Bishop - I crewed for him on Race Across America back in 2000 or so. I knew he was into rock climbing but back then I thought rock climbing was just a matter of being able to do pullups. I didn't understand there was any technique involved, and thought it was pretty boring - like climbing the ladder on a radio tower or something.

Dwight offered to take me out climbing if I was up in his neck of the woods, but I rarely visit Montana. I lost touch with him, and heard from a mutual friend that he had died while climbing about 4 or 5 years ago. I was a bit shocked because the people that we knew in common (non-climbers like myself) all said he was very good.

A couple of years ago, I was in the library trying to grab some books in the five minutes before they closed. I grabbed "The Wall" by Jeff Long because it looked kind of outdoorsy. Even before I had finished the first chapter a big switch clicked in my head and I understood that climbing was something that I had always loved but never known about - if that makes any sort of sense.

Anyway, not taking Dwight up on his offer is one of the deeper regrets in my life. I really couldn't understand his perspective because I didn't have the conceptual vocabulary yet. I don't know if anyone here has heard of him or climbed with him. He lived in Butte, Montana.


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Way too fvcking many.. this is one weird a$$ed question, other then morbid curiosity.. why?


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1 for me

RIP Ben


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Sadly, I need to add one more to my list today. There are other threads here and over at ST about John Bachar's untimely death.

Curt


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yeah, Curt. I never knew Bachar, but his approach to climbing made him more a "hero" than about anyone else to me.

This is really tough.


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Personally none, but I can't help but think that this is happening all too often lately.


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Erica Kutcher, who died about 2 years after I hung with her in Red Rocks and Lover's Leep in 2003. Amazing soul who brought a smile to all around her, and cranked! She turned me onto the hot springs down by the hoover damn, and generally brightened up and already amazing trip. Sadly she was killed by an avalanche just outside her tent at her base camp.

Woody Stark I barely knew, but sadly died due to a sad accident. He put up some of the best routes in Jtree, and was a crotchity SOB to boot.


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I had to add one to my list last month. And I have to say that John Bachar's death was just as shocking and almost as horrible for me as the deaths of the people I did know.


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Too many, Peace out to Micha, Jonny, and the great JB.

You will be missed.


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