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j_ung
Dec 3, 2008, 5:18 PM
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On 11/25, I made some pretty crazy changes to the home page, to get more articles and gear reviews above the fold. But because of the dynamic, self-resizing nature of the website, it may have screwed up a lot for some folks.
Here's what the home page currently looks like to me:
I'm using Firefox (3.0.4) on a 12" screen. My screen resolution is 1440x900. Does it look radically -- I'm talking unusably -- different for you? If so, please post a screen shot here, plus your browser (and version if you know it), screen size and screen resolution.
Thanks for your help! I apologize profusely if you've been kinda frustrated. I'm gonna work to fix this ASAP.
Jay
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binrat
Dec 3, 2008, 5:22 PM
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j_ung;
Yes at work and home its the same. Most of the stuff is way down the page. I have to scroll down to see everything.
Just my $.02
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j_ung
Dec 3, 2008, 5:30 PM
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Will you take a screen shot for me? What's your browser and such?
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Valarc
Dec 3, 2008, 5:45 PM
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My layout looks the same as yours on firefox and safari on several different macs at several different resolutions, so it's working from a technical standpoint.
Personally, I'd like an option to switch things and put the "forum discussions" section up top. The recent articles don't change very often, but the latest forum posts do, so it makes sense to put the most dynamic, constantly changing, stuff at the top where it's easily seen.
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binrat
Dec 3, 2008, 5:49 PM
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I'll try.
Its attached as a word, Using at work and home is MS explorer.
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Gmburns2000
Dec 3, 2008, 6:09 PM
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What Binrat sees is what I see (though I can't be sure what happens below the fold, but I'm sure it is the same).
edit: I use explorer 6.02 and work won't allow me to upgrade to 7.0 due to some security issues with it.
edit2: 17" screen with 1280X1024 resolution
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j_ung
Dec 3, 2008, 6:15 PM
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When did this start for you guys? Greg you mentioned a month ago in your PM, I think, but the changes only went into affect 9 days ago. (Granted, we were working on them much earlier, but that shouldn't have had any effect.)
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Gmburns2000
Dec 3, 2008, 6:20 PM
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j_ung wrote: When did this start for you guys? Greg you mentioned a month ago in your PM, I think, but the changes only went into affect 9 days ago. (Granted, we were working on them much earlier, but that shouldn't have had any effect.)
Nine days, a month - who's counting.
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happiegrrrl
Dec 3, 2008, 6:34 PM
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^ So we can assume your tales of 50 feet ripper whips are more actually falling from gear at your waste, and the ripped pieced...in reality....flew from your hands as you slipped just as about to slot it, bonking your belayer on the head?
(kidding)
My screen looks the same as J_ung's. But I have Firefox. Don't know the other information.
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Gmburns2000
Dec 3, 2008, 6:53 PM
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happiegrrrl wrote: ^ So we can assume your tales of 50 feet ripper whips are more actually falling from gear at your waste, and the ripped pieced...in reality....flew from your hands as you slipped just as about to slot it, bonking your belayer on the head? (kidding) My screen looks the same as J_ung's. But I have Firefox. Don't know the other information.
no, no, its only dates I get confused: case in point was shiela slapping me at dinner last night for calling her brenda.
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debaser655321
Dec 3, 2008, 6:57 PM
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Yes, this site needs to be fixed up. Move the Forums up. I mean, why the hell would you put the most updated information at the BOTTOM of the page?
Also improve the route searching features, I hate navigating through the menus. A google map with climbing areas on it would be AWESOME, get to work.
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jt512
Dec 3, 2008, 6:57 PM
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The front page looks very good on Firefox 3, and the current versions of Opera and Konqueror (all on Linux), on computers I've used with screen sizes ranging from tiny laptop screens to humongous ones on university research computers.
Jay
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Gmburns2000
Dec 3, 2008, 7:35 PM
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OOOH! Fixed!
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dlintz
Dec 3, 2008, 7:42 PM
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Valarc wrote: My layout looks the same as yours on firefox and safari on several different macs at several different resolutions, so it's working from a technical standpoint. Personally, I'd like an option to switch things and put the "forum discussions" section up top. The recent articles don't change very often, but the latest forum posts do, so it makes sense to put the most dynamic, constantly changing, stuff at the top where it's easily seen.
I agree, I posted a comment about this (scrolling down to see the "recent posts") last week in the Suggestions forum. I understand Jay's intentions but it seems sensible to put the more utilized sections (forums and database) at the top.
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j_ung
Dec 3, 2008, 8:08 PM
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dlintz wrote: Valarc wrote: My layout looks the same as yours on firefox and safari on several different macs at several different resolutions, so it's working from a technical standpoint. Personally, I'd like an option to switch things and put the "forum discussions" section up top. The recent articles don't change very often, but the latest forum posts do, so it makes sense to put the most dynamic, constantly changing, stuff at the top where it's easily seen. I agree, I posted a comment about this (scrolling down to see the "recent posts") last week in the Suggestions forum. I understand Jay's intentions but it seems sensible to put the more utilized sections (forums and database) at the top. d.
I hear you dlintz. I''m already thinking of ways to make this happen, without killing the progress I just made on the editorial stuff. Article traffic just doubled, though a lot of that has to do with more regular new content, too. I really don't want to lose that, but I'm not deaf when it comes to what people want to see, either. Bear with me folks! 
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fitzontherocks
Dec 3, 2008, 9:36 PM
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Mine looks like yours (screens, that is), and I'm on a MacBook Pro with Safari. And I agree with Valarc and debaser. Forums (newest news) above the fold.
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qwert
Dec 4, 2008, 12:13 AM
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Looks fine for me. At least on FF3 and opera9,6. Lynx however does not seem to like the site. All on a 10.4.11 12" ibook.
Maybe its a widescreen thing?
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kennoyce
Dec 4, 2008, 12:40 AM
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My screen also looks just like yours does, but i (along with several others it seems) would also like to see the recent forums at the top of the page.
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happiegrrrl
Dec 4, 2008, 1:14 AM
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....what about making the front page be something people can actually manipulate personally? The way Blogger sets up their blogs, and a few other sites(though I can't recall which off the top of my head right now) make the various sections movable.
The user can drag and drop, and delete unwanted sections. Of course, ALL the options are listed in a sidebar(or at the bottom, or linked via a "design page" that shows them all....
Even go so far as to allow for BIG, Medium, or Small, or versions of each module, or even just labels/icons to designate.... Mine would have the photo BIG and centered. I'd have the J-ung featured articles up there too. The route database would be an icon - I don't need to see the map.... And the Forum would be an icon for me too, because I don't use the "what's new" thing. I just open the whole page, and choose what i want to look at.
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USnavy
Dec 4, 2008, 4:24 AM
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1280 x 720
IE7
Looks fine.
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abe_ascends
Dec 4, 2008, 6:51 AM
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happiegrrrl wrote: ....what about making the front page be something people can actually manipulate personally? The way Blogger sets up their blogs, and a few other sites(though I can't recall which off the top of my head right now) make the various sections movable. The user can drag and drop, and delete unwanted sections. Of course, ALL the options are listed in a sidebar(or at the bottom, or linked via a "design page" that shows them all.... Even go so far as to allow for BIG, Medium, or Small, or versions of each module, or even just labels/icons to designate.... Mine would have the photo BIG and centered. I'd have the J-ung featured articles up there too. The route database would be an icon - I don't need to see the map.... And the Forum would be an icon for me too, because I don't use the "what's new" thing. I just open the whole page, and choose what i want to look at.
iGoogle is a good example of a personal portal that allows the user to manipulate and move content around rather freely. Being able to do something similar on rc.com would be pretty nifty.
Apologies for the drift. Back on topic... now. I find the site usable, but not particularly aesthetic.
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Dec 4, 2008, 7:29 AM
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FWIW, I like the new lay out.
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jt512
Dec 4, 2008, 12:59 PM
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happiegrrrl wrote: ....what about making the front page be something people can actually manipulate personally?
Or keep the front page more-or-less as is, but give users with accounts a customizable personal front page, which could contain, say, their friends online, watched threads, PMs, etc.
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Dec 4, 2008, 7:57 PM
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jt512 wrote: happiegrrrl wrote: ....what about making the front page be something people can actually manipulate personally? Or keep the front page more-or-less as is, but give users with accounts a customizable personal front page, which could contain, say, their friends online, watched threads, PMs, etc. Jay
That sounds like a good compromise.
FYI: I just had the first discussion today about changing the way the home page displays. Currently, it's a fluid-width template that changes based on your screen size and resolution. (Try minimizing your browser window, then use the slider at bottom right to adjust and you'll see what I mean. It's fucking killing me.  I can't do a bloddy thing to the home page, without screwing somebody somewhere's pooch.) What we're discussing doing is having a static width. It would display the same things in the same places regardless. Along with that, I'd look into re-organizing the rest of the page to put things closer to where people want them. I'd think pretty hard about Jay's idea and a few others, too.
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Dec 5, 2008, 1:37 PM
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I'm suprised to see you have the advertising turned on. 
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j_ung wrote: rrrADAM wrote: I'm suprised to see you have the advertising turned on.  I click 'em religiously nowadays.
For 25% I'll sell you a script...
Jay
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IE 7.0.5730.13
MS Win XP Pro 5.1.2600 SP3
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jt512
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jackwill wrote: IE 7.0.5730.13 MS Win XP Pro 5.1.2600 SP3 Dell-t3400 1280x1024 32bit NVIDIA Quadro FX 570
Aren't the specs kinda' useless without knowing whether the page looks good or not with them?
Jay (the other one)
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j_ung
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I think we have this fixed now. Keeping this up just in case.
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j_ung wrote: I think we have this fixed now. Keeping this up just in case.
I think the font sizes have shrunk, especially the subscript (e.g. Climbing News headline - "160 articles" is really small in relation to "Climbing News"). For those of us without eagle-eyes, I preferred the original font size relationship. It's not just a matter of increasing my font size since it's the subscript - and all other sites have ok font to me.
Everything else seems great.
Hope that makes sense... can't upload a screenshot that is within 150kb, sorry.
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I like it. it looks pretty good to me. I'm running 1280*1024
Screenshot of it.
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It's fine. I like it.
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