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Poll: WOULD YOU TAKE A SLEEPING BAG ON MT. WASHINGTON WINTER HIKE (DAY HIKE TO SUMMIT)
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Depends on weather 3 / 8%
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Heading to NH in a week to do the Mt. Washington Winter Day Hike on the tuckermans to lions head trail to summit trail. I am debating on the need for a sleeping bag (for an emergency bivy or if someone gets hurt). I am hiking with a group of 3 and we have a pretty good idea of the trail from maps and GPS. Also I don't plan on putting myself in a high risk situation (basically if the weather is pounding us we will head back down before we get in over our heads)

Current Gear List is:
Gortex Hardshell Top and Bottom
Fleece Mid Layer Top and Bottom
Polypro Base top and bottom
Gloves and Liner gloves
Balaclava
Goggles
Crampons
Headlamp
Ice Axe
Trekking Poles
Mountaineering boots
Space blanket type emergency bivy
Down Jacket
Map of area and Compass
Two 32oz water bottles with jackets
A couple of cliff bars
Ace Bandage
Day Pack

Down Sleeping Bag?

Any thoughts?


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You've already got too much. You'll be fine.


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Yeah but since the weather gets pretty nasty up there I like to be prepared. Next week is showing
-30f temps and high winds early then 20 above later in the week.


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Don't take my word for it, I'm just saying that I wouldn't bring one.

With what you'll be wearing you'll be warm enough to stay alive in a forced bivy. Add the space blanket and you might be comfortable even. All you really need to do is find somewhere out of the wind to hunker down out of the wind.

Here's the thing with preparedness, either on a wall or a mountain. If you plan to stay overnight, you will. Meaning that if you bring all the stuff needed to spend the night you'll be so slowed by it that you'll definitely spend the night.

We even used to say that you can do it in a day or do it in three. That holds true often times still.

I've done light and fast pushes past multiple basecamps up to 22,000 and never even considered bringing a sleeping bag. One time I didn't even bring the down jacket.

It's your call though, take what you like.


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Don't take my last post the wrong way. I totally agree with you I'm just looking for some reassurance. I made an attempt at this hike last year and had WAAAY too much stuff as did everyone in our group. We were slow and missed the weather window by about an hour. The storm blew in and we had to turn around. I don't mind taking the down jacket or the emergency bivy because they are both so light. I could probably even do without the bottle jackets (unless its really freakin cold) and just wrap my down coat around the bottles. I plan on drinking one on the way up anyway.....so wait maybe i should nix the second bottle as well! This is why I do this little exercise now. I typically have to pack and unpack my pack about four times, until I can finally weed out the stuff thats not necessary.


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andrewd wrote:
I typically have to pack and unpack my pack about four times, until I can finally weed out the stuff thats not necessary.

That's what your missing.


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BRING A SLEEPING BAG!!!
Better to have one than to freeze to death on an emergency bivy. At the very least you need to bring a good bivy sack. Have you everbeen to Mt. Washington? Home of the worlds worst weather.
Attempted summit last week. 100 mph winds blew us off the attempt. Last year another pair of West Virginia hikers had to be rescued from there.
The weather there changes in an instant!! no B.S.
I have been on Mt Washington at least 100 times if not more at least 25% of the time weather has prevented standing on the summit. That includes July summit bids. Better safe than sorry.
check out http://www.Mountwashington.org/weather/ for the latest conditions there are links for trail conditions and avalanche forcast too. Weather is predicted to be brutally cold this weekend (arctic blast coming in)

P.M. for latest beta, will be heading back sometime this week


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light and fast does equate to saftey UNLESS you get stuck for some reason. i'd rather have ah bit extra, esp on washington during an extreme weekend.
it's amazing what a fresh pair of socks can do for a forced bivy (or any camp). also you could hide some gear on the way up and have it in case. maybe a small stove, extra food, bag, pint of something! i don't see a hat on your list nor first aid. how about signal device. just sayin - R

edit - i'd even take some line - 30' of 5 - 7mm couldn't hurt either


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Never been at Mt Washington, but... don't you need avalanche gear?

I'd add more decent food for sure: "A couple of cliff bars " = asking for trouble
1L of hot tea (wrap the bottle in your down parka or bring thermos) should be ok for 12-20 hours


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Have you everbeen to Mt. Washington? Home of the worlds worst weather.

Yeah i was there last year in February and we had to turn around due to bad weather. We made it to the other side of the alpine gardens before the fog and snow was so bad that you couldn't see more then a few feet in front of you. I really don't plan on even making an attempt if the winds are supposed to be above 60. I experienced 40 sustained and 70mph gusts last year and you could barely walk.


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reg wrote:
light and fast does equate to saftey UNLESS you get stuck for some reason. i'd rather have ah bit extra, esp on washington during an extreme weekend.
it's amazing what a fresh pair of socks can do for a forced bivy (or any camp). also you could hide some gear on the way up and have it in case. maybe a small stove, extra food, bag, pint of something! i don't see a hat on your list nor first aid. how about signal device. just sayin - R

edit - i'd even take some line - 30' of 5 - 7mm couldn't hurt either

yeah...have the hat and actually have the cord as well just forgot too put it on the list. My balaclava is the OR windstopper kind so it is a full head covering.


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I think safety consists of having a reliable way of figuring out where the cairns are, not in planning for a bivy. you don't get stuck on washington because the extra 5 pounds in gear is slowing you down, you get stuck because a whiteout blows up and you can't see farther than 20 feet in front of you. bring a compass and a short rope with you, so that one person can be at one cairn, and the next can go stumbling around (more or less blindly) to find the next cairn.

I never take a sleeping pack on daytrips to washington, because I like to get on trail before sunrise and back to the car way before sunset. if conditions are looking bad I stay home.

again, it is not worth planning to survive a bivy on washington. it is worth planning to have a reliable and fast way to get down if you need to.


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i think you have pretty much exactly what you need. DON"T bring the sleeping bag, DON"T bring a tent, DON"T bring a stove, etc.!!!!!

i might add: more high FAT food (like cheese and sausages and chocolate- take a hint from the swiss!) instead of cliff bars, which get hard and unappetizing when its that cold, add a LITTLE flavored vodka to the water (helps prevent freezing and adds a little taste), add a thermos of HOT tea with LOTS of milk and sugar

forget the sleeping bag, MAYBE bring the space blanket. honestly, on mt washington the wind is some of the worst part of an unplanned bivy, and the summit snowfield is long and barren. NOTHING to hide from the wind in. you might be better off with a shovel to at least build a trough with rather than a space blanket. just my 2 cents.

i've spent a LOT of time on washington in the winter and i think people WAY over pack for it. if you keep your head up, keep thinking, and don't commit into stupid conditions you'll be fine.

just remember the ravines are VERY protected by the wind (depending on the direction), so don't feel like you're committed to climbing to the top at any point, especially before the alpine garden.


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altelis wrote:
i think you have pretty much exactly what you need. DON"T bring the sleeping bag, DON"T bring a tent, DON"T bring a stove, etc.!!!!!

i might add: more high FAT food (like cheese and sausages and chocolate- take a hint from the swiss!) instead of cliff bars, which get hard and unappetizing when its that cold, add a LITTLE flavored vodka to the water (helps prevent freezing and adds a little taste), add a thermos of HOT tea with LOTS of milk and sugar

forget the sleeping bag, MAYBE bring the space blanket. honestly, on mt washington the wind is some of the worst part of an unplanned bivy, and the summit snowfield is long and barren. NOTHING to hide from the wind in. you might be better off with a shovel to at least build a trough with rather than a space blanket. just my 2 cents.

i've spent a LOT of time on washington in the winter and i think people WAY over pack for it. if you keep your head up, keep thinking, and don't commit into stupid conditions you'll be fine.

just remember the ravines are VERY protected by the wind (depending on the direction), so don't feel like you're committed to climbing to the top at any point, especially before the alpine garden.

You know i was actually thinking about a shovel as well. I keep the cliff bars in my inner jacket pockets to keep them from freezing. I do like the idea soft high energy stuff like cheese.

The space blanket is weather dependent actually. I was up there last year and it was calling for temps 0f in the morning then above freezing with freezing rain that night. So in that case the space blanket could save your ass by keeping you dry'er....
but honestly i'm going to play it smart and not take the risk of getting stuck on bad weather if at all possible.


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andrewd wrote:
Ice Axe
Trekking Poles

I'm not sure about other people, but I probably wouldn't bring both of these. Unless you have some knee problems or something, I've always found trekking poles to be more of a hindrance. I usually just bring a mountaineering axe with me. Its personal preferance really, I know some people can't walk without the trekking poles.

Also, I don't think avalanches are a big problem on the lions head trail, very low possibility for one there


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yeah I screwed up my knee from years of ice hockey so I try to baby my knees when hiking.....I'm strong now but I don't want to take chances.


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I'll also add that I wouldn't take the sleeping bag. it's somewhat clunky, takes up space, and adds weight.


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if you are semi-fit, is the weight of a sleeping bag really going to make any difference? if it is going to make a difference you should really gut check and see if you are up for it. on the flip side, if there are chicks involved and weather rolls in, you could find yourself pretty popular pretty quick.


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lemon_boy wrote:
if you are semi-fit, is the weight of a sleeping bag really going to make any difference? if it is going to make a difference you should really gut check and see if you are up for it. on the flip side, if there are chicks involved and weather rolls in, you could find yourself pretty popular pretty quick.

on the other hand, in any mountain situation, anything extra is going to end up being a hindrance


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I think your packing list looks about right. On the other hand, the first time I climbed it in winter, I brought exactly what you have listed and was wearing every ounce of it WHILE CLIMBING. Temps were about 0 degrees with 70 mph winds.

Make sure you can wrap up so absolutely no skin is exposed--balaclava (I wore two) and goggles. You can get frostbite in under a minute up there.

Winter is the best time of year to be up there--it's absolutely gorgeous.


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honestly, i find when doing outdoor activities in new england the biggest issue is the wind.

if you have good WINDPROOF outer layers you'll be golden. i mainly go up to ski or climb, and my days usually begin at 3 am'ish and end at 1-2'ish. i'm usually hiking up below tree line with just a poly-pro base layer top and bottom, poly-pro cap and liner glvoes, ie no outer layers on. even at -20. below tree line the wind is usually really mellow, so all you need is a thin layer to trap your heat- just use your mitochondria to warm your ass up!


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I've never climbed there, but it seems to me that having just one sleeping bag is strange. I mean, the guy who plans to camp overnight drags the others down, but is the only comfortable person because he came prepared? C'mon. That guy would be camping by himself if he tried that shit with me. Leave the sleeping bags at home. It's a day trip, for Christ's sake.

Also, I can't imagine going without a shovel. I've never been to Mt. Washington, but for alpine trips a shovel is mandatory IMO.

And a GPS kicks ass over cairns, flags, etc. Waypoints never blow away or get obscured in white outs. And you'll never run out of flags. Bring it if you got it.

Leave the poles. An axe is all you should need, unless you're carrying a heavy pack.

It seems to me you're carrying too much clothes for a day trip, when you're never sitting around for long enough to get cold. I'd cut the fleece layer out entirely.

That's my $0.02. (Keep in mind that I live in California where the weather is always perfect.)


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No down

Take the bag

Take a bivi sack

Add goggles.

Start EARLY - 3am to be at the Lion's Head trail by daylight.

Best, Kim


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angry wrote:
. If you plan to stay overnight, you will. Meaning that if you bring all the stuff needed to spend the night you'll be so slowed by it that you'll definitely spend the night.

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this is gospel and written about numerous times, angry has spoken and spoken wisely!


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I did Mt. Washington in Feb a couple of years ago and the weather up there is no joke! How heavy is your sleeping bag? a 2lb down bag is not going to slow you down.
Weather was great for us going up but once we hit the summit the wind picked up and whiteout conditions had us shitting in our pants. There is no place to hide from wiind up there, so a 2lb bag would totally be worth the weight.


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Your gear list looks about right. I personally wouldn't take the bag. Don't weigh yourself down with too much stuff. Sounds like you're aware of the bad weather there, and you know to go down fast if it gets bad. You've studied the maps and have your GPS coordinates ready. Give it a go.

Your puffy parka will be in the pack most of the time, so you can use it to insulate your bottles, and ditch the bottle insulators.

You probably know to keep your food handy and nibble on it all day. Make sure you take enough, two bars seems sorta slim. It can be a long day, dependant on conditions.

My first trip to Mt Washington (January, several years ago) I arrived a day before my partner, so I decided to make a recon hike up to Huntington Ravine to check ice climbing conditions. I wore just polypro and GT, thinking that if I had worn that to 14K in CO in winter, and worn it up Liberty Ridge in early spring, then I would be just fine on a fast hike part way up Mt Washington. Wrong. Of course I was cold when I started the hike, but I figured I would warm up. Wrong again. I thought my nuts were going to freeze off! I finished the hike, and learned my lesson. Wear the fleece layer.


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brownie710 wrote:
angry wrote:
. If you plan to stay overnight, you will. Meaning that if you bring all the stuff needed to spend the night you'll be so slowed by it that you'll definitely spend the night.

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this is gospel and written about numerous times, angry has spoken and spoken wisely!
but it will only make a 20-30 minute difference, tops. not like it's irrelevant, but it's not nearly as important as navigation because it's not overly physically demanding to climb mt washington. wind, whiteouts, fog, and avalanches are the main dangers. probably in that order, if you're taking lion's head.

1. have windproof and warm stuff
2. have a rope and compass so you can find your way down in a whiteout (one guy stays at a cairn, the next guy takes the rope and wanders around to find the next cairn)
3. read the avalanche report, pay attention to the weather forecast
4. start early

everything else is preference.


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Your gear list looks about right. I personally wouldn't take the bag. Don't weigh yourself down with too much stuff. Sounds like you're aware of the bad weather there, and you know to go down fast if it gets bad. You've studied the maps and have your GPS coordinates ready. Give it a go.

Your puffy parka will be in the pack most of the time, so you can use it to insulate your bottles, and ditch the bottle insulators.

You probably know to keep your food handy and nibble on it all day. Make sure you take enough, two bars seems sorta slim. It can be a long day, dependant on conditions.

My first trip to Mt Washington (January, several years ago) I arrived a day before my partner, so I decided to make a recon hike up to Huntington Ravine to check ice climbing conditions. I wore just polypro and GT, thinking that if I had worn that to 14K in CO in winter, and worn it up Liberty Ridge in early spring, then I would be just fine on a fast hike part way up Mt Washington. Wrong. Of course I was cold when I started the hike, but I figured I would warm up. Wrong again. I thought my nuts were going to freeze off! I finished the hike, and learned my lesson. Wear the fleece layer.

I yeah I plan on wearing that fleece! Mt washington weather SUCKS....which is part of the fun!


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angry wrote:
. If you plan to stay overnight, you will. Meaning that if you bring all the stuff needed to spend the night you'll be so slowed by it that you'll definitely spend the night.

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this is gospel and written about numerous times, angry has spoken and spoken wisely!
but it will only make a 20-30 minute difference, tops. not like it's irrelevant, but it's not nearly as important as navigation because it's not overly physically demanding to climb mt washington. wind, whiteouts, fog, and avalanches are the main dangers. probably in that order, if you're taking lion's head.

1. have windproof and warm stuff
2. have a rope and compass so you can find your way down in a whiteout (one guy stays at a cairn, the next guy takes the rope and wanders around to find the next cairn)
3. read the avalanche report, pay attention to the weather forecast
4. start early

everything else is preference.

I have to laugh....It seems that everyone who as been to Mt. Washington actually takes the mountain seriously....yet everybody that hasn't just takes the piss on it saying....Ahh you don't need all that crap.

Well i'm sure in some cases you can do it just fine with the min insulation and gear buuuuut that might happen like 3 or four times a year. The rest of the time you have to pack for the worst.


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andrewd wrote:
I have to laugh....It seems that everyone who as been to Mt. Washington actually takes the mountain seriously....yet everybody that hasn't just takes the piss on it saying....Ahh you don't need all that crap.

Well i'm sure in some cases you can do it just fine with the min insulation and gear buuuuut that might happen like 3 or four times a year. The rest of the time you have to pack for the worst.
you'll get a kick out of the three or four parties you'll probably encounter hiking up in cotton sweatshirts and tennis shoes Smile a lot of people don't take it seriously. it's a weird mountain, because below treeline it's a nature hike. above treeline it can be world-class bad weather.

anecdotally, there was a guy I heard of who had climbed everest who was talking to someone else about washington. he said he'd been there in the winter three times, summited once. the other guy asked why? it's not such a big mountain. he replied, "because I don't want to kill myself."

anyway I'm not saying you shouldn't bring whatever you want, I'm saying you should have your priorities right. I would not advise planning to bivy on washington. just have a sound strategy for getting down. but hey, do what you think is best, and have fun! it's a beautiful place.


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I like the rope idea. What is the distance between cairns? does it very? And are they all the way up? I've only ever made it to just past the alpine gardens.


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you'll get a kick out of the three or four parties you'll probably encounter hiking up in cotton sweatshirts and tennis shoes Smile a lot of people don't take it seriously. it's a weird mountain, because below treeline it's a nature hike. above treeline it can be world-class bad weather.

Yeah saw a guy up there last year in a light windbreaker, a camel pack and BDU's (cotton) he poked his head above the tree line and was like "no way am I going any further.... it was funny


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andrewd wrote:
I like the rope idea. What is the distance between cairns? does it very? And are they all the way up? I've only ever made it to just past the alpine gardens.
they're only above treeline, about 100 feet apart. it might be incredibly slow, but better than sitting it out.


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No down

Take the bag

Take a bivi sack

Add goggles.

Start EARLY - 3am to be at the Lion's Head trail by daylight.

Best, Kim

Does it really take that long to get to lions head? I'm pretty sure we did it in about an hour tops. It would vary on snow conditions though i suppose


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I've only done it three times. I seem to remember that it takes a couple of hours. We've always spent the night at Hermit Lake and then gone down then up in the morning. We would get up at 4am in order to be on the trail by 6 and at the Lion's head by 7ish. But we were carrying overnight gear - It' surely faster with a day pack. But I'd still leave a couple of hours before dawn.

Days are short. One time we were failed because we missed our wakeup alarm and were an hour behind. Some large guided group got in front of us and we couldn't pass. They were moving so slowly we couldn't stay warm enough and lost our edge. The earlier you get on the road the more chance you have to avoid the clusterfuck.

Best, Kim

Edited to add: Okay, hereís my list for a day trip up the Lionís head:

40L Pack
3L water in Camelback
Ice ax (you need this only to control the glissade down)
Trekking poles (optional Ė you either donít leave home without them or you do)
Crampons (G12 or equivalent)
Boots (always a problem: do you take doubles or not)
Socks
Heavy weight lowers
Windproof (softshell) pants
Belay pants
Light weight uppers
R1 hoody
Windproof (softshell) jacket with hood
Belay (DAS in my case) jacket
2 pair windproof gloves
Belay gloves
BD Winter Bivi Sack
Goggles
Lightweight nylon cap for climbing to tree line
Insulated balaclava
Windproof balaclava
First aid
GU/CliffShot or equivalent * 1/40min*16 hours
Watch
Cell phone/walkie-talkie
Compass (A GPS takes too much time Ė you donít want to stand around waiting to acquire the sats. You should be able to see the route or you should be heading down.)
Map
Headlamp
E-light

Contrary to my earlier advice, NO Sleeping bag- with the belay jacket and pants and bivi sack youíre in good shape to survive until help comes. This is a WELL traveled route. Youíll see LOTS of people even in bad weather. When you break your leg you need to hold out until help arrives. NO bivi. If you need to bivi you didnít start early enough. Forget the shovel and avi beeper. Lionís head has next to zero avi danger.

In my three times Iíve never broken out the belay gear because Iím moving fast enough to stay warm. If youíre not moving fast enough to stay warm, youíre doing something wrong Ė head down.

Washington is no joke. And itís as good a time as Iíve ever had.

Best, Kim


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If I remember right winter conditions include 100 MPH 3 out of every 4 days. About the bag, ask Hugh Herr. Oh yeh, day hike, LOL.

Sorry, my mind is failing. Gale force is average, Hurricane 3 out of every 4 days, and 100 MPH about every 3 rd day.


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I think a lot of that "time" estimate depends on many factors: Fitness levels of your self and your group. The weather, and the traffic on the trail. I know it can take a while.


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andrewd wrote:
I have to laugh....It seems that everyone who as been to Mt. Washington actually takes the mountain seriously....yet everybody that hasn't just takes the piss on it saying....Ahh you don't need all that crap.

Well i'm sure in some cases you can do it just fine with the min insulation and gear buuuuut that might happen like 3 or four times a year. The rest of the time you have to pack for the worst.

well, at least except for me. i practically lived on that mountain during college- and never once stepped foot on it other than between the months of november and early march. and i said no bag. don't be ridiculous- there is no reason for a bag unless you are really looking at doing the presy traverse instead of pinkham to pinkham.

worst comes to worst if you make it to the summit and the weather totally craps out on you, you should be able to convince the dudes in the weather station to let you sit it out (though this SHOULD NOT be part of the "plan"). also, as some one else stated, it might be true that your route doesn't take you through avy terrain (unless you weren't totally clear about your route, see below....) but i think the shovel is the more versatile tool as opposed to the bag. but if your route really doesn't include avy terrain, i wouldn't bring it ....

my experience is it'll take around 2 hrs to get from pinkham to tuckerman's rescue cache on skis or pinkham to the top of the alluvial fan in huntingtons on foot. for whatever reason those two times are almost exactly the same. take that as you will, i travel lighter and faster than many and use speed to keep me warm below tree line.

what is your real plan? cause some say tuck's to lions meaning they take the tuckerman ravine trail till the start of the winter lion's head, which is close to the turn-off for huntingtons and WAY below hermit lake shelters. others mean they are planning on going all the way up, over and through tuckerman's ravine to meet up with the winter lion's head in the alpine garden. which do you mean? cause there is a BIG time difference between them, and this time of year you'll either be climbing ice or up a ski-route in tuck's.....

plan on LEAVING pinkham at 4 (if that 2 hr estimate seems like your type of speed). like many ranges, the bad weather tends to come in in the afternoon, as the air over the ocean warms up a bit and gets sucked into the low/cold air system above the whites.

and no offense to kim, but it shouldn't take you more than 1/2 hr from getting up to starting to hike. especially given the nice warm area you have for packing/changing in, plus the fact you don't need to melt snow, there is running water there. have fun, and if you have any more questions, please let me know!


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Based on the two times I've done it (going back again first weekend in February), I'd say Kim's gear list is just about spot on. The only tweaks I'd make are:

1) Hardshell jacket, which I find more windproof than even the best softshells.

2) Swap out insulated mittens for the belay gloves. When you need mucho de warmth for your hands, I fnd nothing beats mitts. (I *love* my BD Mercury's.) A couple chemical handwarmers as backup wouldn't hurt...

3) 2L-3L water in Nalgene bottles inside insulated carriers, rather than a Camelbak (which *will* freeze up).

Personally, I wouldn't carry the bag for a daytrip, but only you can make this decision, based on your own experience, fitness level, WX conditions that day, etc.

From your posts, it sounds like you've done the Rockpile before and respect what the mountain can do. The weather up there changes fast, and it...can...fuck...you...up...and in a hurry.

Attempted a Presi Traverse last Feb and got stuck in a whiteout for 2+ hours on the col between Madison and Adams. Fortunately, we had a GPS and maps and were able to navigate to Thunderstorm Jct and get down below treeline, but it was hairy going for a while.

One thing I almost always bring now, even on dayhikes, is a 3/4 length Thermarest. When folded in half lengthwise and rolled up, it's not much bigger than a Nalgene bottle, but will help keep an injured person up off the snow, reducing the risk of hypothermia whilst waiting for help to arrive or before starting a self-rescue. Just something to think about.


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I was down there a few weeks ago and we left the lodge at 11 am, summited via lion's head, and were back down by 2 pm. We weren't going exceptionally fast or anything. On the other hand, we tend to go very very light.

My list included
in the 35 L pack
1 ice axe
1 pair of crampons
1 litre of water
1 chocolate bar

Wore a base layer coupled with an outer jacket and gloves


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Maybe someone already caught this..I didn't have time to read every last post....BUT The two items I don't see on your list that are mandatory gear for winter trips in my part of the world are these: a beacon and a shovel. Oh, and the knowledge of how to use them.

The shovel can make the sleeping bag somewhat redundant because, when you hafta bivy, I'd much rather be doing that inside a cave withOUT a sleeping bag rather than out in the wind with a sleeping bag. But of course, bivying in a cave with a bag, a blonde, and a bong is best.


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it was mentioned, however it seems like andrew's intended route doesn't really take him into avy terrain- that is if he stays on route.

it is pretty easy to wander into convexities near the tops of the ravines (mainly on the way down...)


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coastal_climber wrote:
andrewd wrote:
I typically have to pack and unpack my pack about four times, until I can finally weed out the stuff thats not necessary.

That's what your missing.

Exactly


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Snagging a crampon and turning an ankle is a real possibility. A sleeping bag is worthwhile emergency gear. Distribute emergency gear (shovel, jetboil kit, sl bag) among the group for packing and the load won't be so bad. Also, definitely bring more food.


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qqac wrote:
Snagging a crampon and turning an ankle is a real possibility.

DON'T glissade with your crampons on! Take them off and put them back on. Or don't glissade.

Best, Kim


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I'd take one bag that compresses small between the three of you.

If you are forced to bivi you could probably cram two into the bag and share the warmth then take turns switching out and warming up.

If someone gets injured they can be put into the bag while one or both of the others go for help.


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kimgraves wrote:
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Snagging a crampon and turning an ankle is a real possibility.

DON'T glissade with your crampons on! Take them off and put them back on. Or don't glissade.

Best, Kim

Kim, that could happen just walking, not even glissading. You can snag a crampon on your pants, or on a branch or root under the snow, as you are walking.


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qqac wrote:
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qqac wrote:
Snagging a crampon and turning an ankle is a real possibility.

DON'T glissade with your crampons on! Take them off and put them back on. Or don't glissade.

Best, Kim

Kim, that could happen just walking, not even glissading. You can snag a crampon on your pants, or on a branch or root under the snow, as you are walking.

holy shit man. with an outlook like that, how do you even get out of bed in the morning? What if you get light headed and fall and crack your head open! Or what if when you get into the shower you might slip and inhale deeply in shock and aspirate the water? Or what if you have not waited long enough for the coffee to cool and you could get 3rd degree burns on your esophagus! Or perhaps you recognize that driving to the cliff is the most dangerous part of the day and just sit in your car, parked and paralyzed, only to then be hit by that dump-truck careening out of control, t-bones your car and turns you into a vegetable!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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So if you take one.....are the other two in your group going to take one too???? How many miles roundtrip is this "hike"?. If you have a bag....you are going to want to bivy....if you dont have it.....just get off the mountain. Be smart up there.


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Andrew,

I have summited Washington many times in the winter and have also been turned away at Lions Head a couple times as well. Here's my two cents:

Cliff bars will be hard as a brick, bring chocolate bars or something fatty that won't freeze too badly and keep in chest pocket. I like to get some calories from juice as well or something, makes a delicious slushy up there.

Bring an extra pair of goggles or use cat crap, you'll be warm from hiking for several hours and end up with a layer of ice inside otherwise.

Most parties that are struggling up there appear to be wearing way TOO MUCH. Consequently they end up with the problem of heat management and have to slow down because they are out of shape or too warm to speed up. Remember this is a walk-up hike, more or less. It is not uncommon for parties to summit and make it back to log out in less than 6 hours comfortably. It's great that you are well prepared, but I never bring my sleeping bag.

The last two times I summited comfortably, I was only wearing a breathable softshell, balaclava, and two layers beneath. My point is that if you are moving you will be warm, even in high winds and -15 temps. And if you're in shape, there is no altitude to slow you down so you can move pretty swiftly up there. Have fun! Maybe I'll see you up there!Blush
PS: On the weekends it's downright BUSY with hikers. Get an early start!


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Bothy Bag
There popular in Scotland,MEC and Wild Things make them here, I have Terra Nova; at 1/2 a .LB
one could keep (help) 2 people alive in super conditions for quite awhile.


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karlie wrote:
Andrew,

I have summited Washington many times in the winter and have also been turned away at Lions Head a couple times as well. Here's my two cents:

Cliff bars will be hard as a brick, bring chocolate bars or something fatty that won't freeze too badly and keep in chest pocket. I like to get some calories from juice as well or something, makes a delicious slushy up there.

Bring an extra pair of goggles or use cat crap, you'll be warm from hiking for several hours and end up with a layer of ice inside otherwise.

Most parties that are struggling up there appear to be wearing way TOO MUCH. Consequently they end up with the problem of heat management and have to slow down because they are out of shape or too warm to speed up. Remember this is a walk-up hike, more or less. It is not uncommon for parties to summit and make it back to log out in less than 6 hours comfortably. It's great that you are well prepared, but I never bring my sleeping bag.

The last two times I summited comfortably, I was only wearing a breathable softshell, balaclava, and two layers beneath. My point is that if you are moving you will be warm, even in high winds and -15 temps. And if you're in shape, there is no altitude to slow you down so you can move pretty swiftly up there. Have fun! Maybe I'll see you up there!Blush
PS: On the weekends it's downright BUSY with hikers. Get an early start!

Went up a few weekends ago. Summited in beautiful weather. Was actually only blowing about 20mph at the top. The traverse from lions head through the alpine gardens saw gusts in the 60's ish but nothing too bothersome. I actually was fairly hot with just a polypro base and a hardshell. Temps were about 10deg F. I was also battling a cold/flu/sorethroat something so I was overheating. But I just took it slow and made it up and back in about 5 hours. It was really awesome, lots of snow, pretty much had to break trail because we were the first ones up that weekend. I have pics, i need to post. Visibility at the top was about 80miles. Very Amazing

And I ended up not taking a bag. I ate cookie dough and a ham sandwich (cookie dough in a tube). Plus downed two nalgine bottles with a mix of water and gatoraid. I think it worked fairly well except that i was hot (mostly due to me being sick) And I really probably shouldn't have done it being sick but I didn't feel terrable just a bit run down.

All and All it was a very fun hike and I'm glad I got to the top this time.


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