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Okay so here's the deal, My sister works at an REI establishment and has worked there for many months now. Im almost 100% positive that qualifies her for the employee discount which is about 30% maybe? Anyways, she chooses not to give me her discount claiming that it might cause her to lose her job. Can anyone out there shed light on this problem, Im almost positive any retail discount applies to immediate family as well, am I wrong? ANyone who has worked at REI in the past might know
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If you are referring to a "pro deal" forget it. If she has some kind of in store 30% off retail discount it shouldn't really matter.
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SendMasterJack
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not pro deal, just general discount on gear and whatnot. Is there any stipulation that states you cannot use the discount for family? considering I were to pay for the gear at this reduced price
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SendMasterJack wrote: Okay so here's the deal, My sister works at an REI establishment and has worked there for many months now. Im almost 100% positive that qualifies her for the employee discount which is about 30% maybe? Anyways, she chooses not to give me her discount claiming that it might cause her to lose her job. Can anyone out there shed light on this problem, Im almost positive any retail discount applies to immediate family as well, am I wrong? ANyone who has worked at REI in the past might know
I'm pretty sure she's telling you the truth.
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Seriously though, I used to work at an EMS, similar to REI in the Northeast (i.e. an expensive GAP-esque store that sells a few cams). Their policy was ALWAYS to let anyone go that abuses their discount. Abuse would include purchasing any non-gift item for someone else. Since you are likely going to pay your sister for the gear that she would buy with her discount, then its not a gift and you will probably get her fired.
But like anything else, its not gauranteed. I have seen people do it before, and they will again, but is it worth getting your siter fired?
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I worked at REI for a while. Your sister is giving you the "official line". Every retailer - including REI - needs to have one.
In reality, you'd have to really abuse the system to get someone to notice. A shirt here, a rope there, a pair of shoes ... these can reasonably be explained as gifts. On the other hand, if you buy ten sets of cams, a new bike and canoe, a complete wardrobe, etc., then the sheer dollar values will draw attention. Probable reprimand. Possible firing.
If you get caught buying stuff on discount and then selling it for a profit, then you'll be fired and in all likelihood prosecuted.
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shimanilami wrote: If you get caught buying stuff on discount and then selling it for a profit, then you'll be fired and in all likelihood prosecuted.
You'll be shot first, survivors of that will be prosecuted.
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Your sister is telling the truth. I currently manage the pro-deal accounts at a local establishment. Gear companies are extremely sensitive about who they give discounts to. People abusing it means companies pull their programs. In some scenarios, especially for larger establishments (like REI), it may mean someone gets fired.
Basically, pro-deals exist for three reasons:
1. As an incentive for people with high exposure in the outdoors community to use their gear. If I can get your stuff for way cheap and use it, people around me see it, ask questions, etc, and then want to buy it. It's a sort of advertising.
2. To establish and foster business relationships with the retailers.
3. To reward industry professionals for the good of a greater outdoors community.
Abusing pro-deal privileges means that everyone loses. It means pro-deal programs get canceled, people get fired, etc.
If you do not have legal and contractual access to a pro purchase program, there are plenty of legal ways to score good deals. If you beg your sister or whoever to break their rules and try to sneak some stuff in for you, you're being an ass.
For those who DO have direct and legal access to a prodeal program, DO NOT TALK ABOUT PRODEALS. They are a privilege for you and you alone.
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The more important question is why you don't respect your sister enough to take her at her word.
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shimanilami wrote: In reality, you'd have to really abuse the system to get someone to notice. A shirt here, a rope there, a pair of shoes ... these can reasonably be explained as gifts.
In general you are not allowed to give gifts through pro purchase programs. There are some exceptions, sometimes around the holidays, but they are on a case-by-case basis.
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shoo wrote: Your sister is telling the truth. I currently manage the pro-deal accounts at a local establishment. Gear companies are extremely sensitive about who they give discounts to. People abusing it means companies pull their programs. In some scenarios, especially for larger establishments (like REI), it may mean someone gets fired. Basically, pro-deals exist for three reasons: 1. As an incentive for people with high exposure in the outdoors community to use their gear. If I can get your stuff for way cheap and use it, people around me see it, ask questions, etc, and then want to buy it. It's a sort of advertising. 2. To establish and foster business relationships with the retailers. 3. To reward industry professionals for the good of a greater outdoors community. Abusing pro-deal privileges means that everyone loses. It means pro-deal programs get canceled, people get fired, etc. If you do not have legal and contractual access to a pro purchase program, there are plenty of legal ways to score good deals. If you beg your sister or whoever to break their rules and try to sneak some stuff in for you, you're being an ass. For those who DO have direct and legal access to a prodeal program, DO NOT TALK ABOUT PRODEALS. They are a privilege for you and you alone. Edited because I can't count.
Think you went a little over board shoo... the op stated:
In reply to: not pro deal, just general discount on gear and whatnot 
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gothcopter wrote: The more important question is why you don't respect your sister enough to take her at her word.
Never TRUST a sister... they are women.
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For pro deals, I think you're right on.
For the REI discount, I think there is a grey zone. I think managements want to allow gift-giving as a benefit to employees, but doesn't want to be grossly taken advantage of. I think that it's expected that employees will operate within that grey zone, and as long as there are no blatent violations, they'll avoid enforcing the "letter of the law".
I wasn't a manager so I don't have the straight dope, but it sure seemed like this was the situation.
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suilenroc wrote: shoo wrote: Your sister is telling the truth. I currently manage the pro-deal accounts at a local establishment. Gear companies are extremely sensitive about who they give discounts to. People abusing it means companies pull their programs. In some scenarios, especially for larger establishments (like REI), it may mean someone gets fired. Basically, pro-deals exist for three reasons: 1. As an incentive for people with high exposure in the outdoors community to use their gear. If I can get your stuff for way cheap and use it, people around me see it, ask questions, etc, and then want to buy it. It's a sort of advertising. 2. To establish and foster business relationships with the retailers. 3. To reward industry professionals for the good of a greater outdoors community. Abusing pro-deal privileges means that everyone loses. It means pro-deal programs get canceled, people get fired, etc. If you do not have legal and contractual access to a pro purchase program, there are plenty of legal ways to score good deals. If you beg your sister or whoever to break their rules and try to sneak some stuff in for you, you're being an ass. For those who DO have direct and legal access to a prodeal program, DO NOT TALK ABOUT PRODEALS. They are a privilege for you and you alone. Edited because I can't count. Think you went a little over board shoo... the op stated: In reply to: not pro deal, just general discount on gear and whatnot
So the general discount is pretty inflexible? I mean i would basically be giving her some money to buy some gear. Whats so wrong with that? Ive been working retail at a major chain for many years and my discount applies to family directly. Why shouldnt a general discount at rei be similiar if not exactly the same? Maybe i should just suck it up and quit whining, but i was just wondering what the EXACT policy states if anyone knows. Not a huge deal and not worth arguing about.
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your sister can do whatever she wants. if she says "the boss" won't let her then either A) it's true or B) she doesn't like you. why not choose to believe it's A and be done with it rather than whining to nameless hoodlums on the intardweb?
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Once your sister has been there for a while, and realizes that she is making peanuts and getting shit on while upper management is making bank and shitting on her as well, she'll come back to ya bro. As any REI employee can tell you, REI sucks. One of the only reasons to get that sand pounded in your ass while working there is to get a deal on gear and share this with your loved ones....she'll figure this out on her own soon enough.
I've banked plenty of deals via REI employee buddies in that mental state over the years and trust me on this: she'll see that blood is thicker than water sooner or later:-) Don't pressure her, back off for a bit, let on that you understand, blah blah. At some point in the future, she'll be thanking you for replacing the battery in her car, or dog sitting her pain in the ass mutts, or for fixing her trashed out front stairs that you pimped out for her: and she'll be ripe for you to bring this up again.
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SendMasterJack wrote: Maybe i should just suck it up and quit whining, but i was just wondering what the EXACT policy states if anyone knows. Not a huge deal and not worth arguing about.
Whatever the policy is, she obviously doesn't want to use her discount for you. What do you plan to gain by asking this question? Are you gonna prove what a bitch she is for not helping you? Are you gonna try to say "look what the people on the internet said, you should give me your discount"? What is it going to gain?
At the end of the day, official company policy aside, this kind of shit is gonna be up to the manager. Maybe your sister has a really strict manager, or maybe she just really loves her job and doesn't want to do anything to jeopardize it in any way, no matter how minute the chance.
And maybe your sister just doesn't like you. Maybe you whine too much?
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what is your sisters email? i need prodeal too
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thank you all for your valuable and kind responses.
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One crucial point is that you ask your sister for a 2-week notice before she quits. This is the time when you and she should take full advantage of the benefit, with no concern about getting fired.
When I found out I'd be starting a "real job" again, I spent ~$3K on REI gear and pro-deals, for myself and family and friends alike. Did they ever notice? I have no clue because I was long gone.
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Clearly your sister hates you!
you should stop trying to handjam her friends and leach off her. Try telling her she is pretty and smart.
if that doesn't work tear all the heads off her barbie dolls and post her diary on the web.
that will teach her a lesson.
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You must have a special day that you celebrate and exchange gifts with your sister right?
You bring in her flowers with $$ attached and she buys you a rope.
A Brotherly/sisterly Valentine gift/relationship works in some hick states.
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SendMasterJack wrote: Im almost positive any retail discount applies to immediate family as well, am I wrong?
Yes, you're wrong.
As an aside: Most things sold at REI can be found for similar prices with some savy web searching, keeping an eye on sales, and being patient. Anyone that pays full retail price for most climbing/camping/backpacking gear is an idiot.
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reno wrote: SendMasterJack wrote: Im almost positive any retail discount applies to immediate family as well, am I wrong? Yes, you're wrong. As an aside: Most things sold at REI can be found for similar prices with some savy web searching, keeping an eye on sales, and being patient. Anyone that pays full retail price for most climbing/camping/backpacking gear is an idiot.
I agree. add cycling stuff to that group too.. between coupons, online stores, oulets., steep and cheap, chainlove
She's definitely playing by the rules to the fullest. at EMS gifts were allowed in moderation.. you pretty much understand what you can buy for family/ sig. others and what is a bit much. Everything goes under your employee # (at least at ems) so it's trackable and they know what is going on. I've had talks with managers that are also friends and it's totally not worth getting canned to score a deal for someone.
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SendMasterJack wrote: Im almost positive any retail discount applies to immediate family as well, am I wrong?
I own a retail establishment... and if any of my employess use their discount for anyone else, they are fired immediately.
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therat wrote: I own a retail establishment... and if any of my employess use their discount for anyone else, they are fired immediately.
Just remind her not to tell her boss....
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therat wrote: SendMasterJack wrote: Im almost positive any retail discount applies to immediate family as well, am I wrong? I own a retail establishment... and if any of my employess use their discount for anyone else, they are fired immediately.
i'm just curious- but who's to say that she's not buying something for herself? assuming it's not men's apparel?
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stevendo wrote: therat wrote: SendMasterJack wrote: Im almost positive any retail discount applies to immediate family as well, am I wrong? I own a retail establishment... and if any of my employess use their discount for anyone else, they are fired immediately. i'm just curious- but who's to say that she's not buying something for herself? assuming it's not men's apparel?
You work with these people all the time.. you know them.. they know you. I only worked for 4-5 months and we all knew who was buying what for themselves and for other people.. You don't have some girl who's a kayaker buying cams and ascenders ya know?
i'm sure it is a judgment call by the manager which is why small things and gifts are ok but if you start making a habit of it or abusing the system then they are going to notice
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May i reiterate this is NOT a pro deal, just a general discount.
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macherry wrote: SendMasterJack wrote: thank you all for your valuable and kind responses. i don't even pass my pro deals on to my husband. seriously, your sister is playing by the rules. if we passed on the pro deal to everyone and their relative, i could say good bye to the pro deal.
I use to work at a small gear shop. If everyone did this, my business would have gone bankrupt! Actually we did go bankrupt. That's not the point. Hooking up family only improves the chances of future sales. Family get friends to go an buy. Which in the end equals more money for everyone. Pro deal, nah! But a discount, hell yeah! If i were you buddy, i'd work on my sister to get some deals. Hell, i bought my sister a xmas present on store discount. Am i wrong for doing this???? F all of you that think that is wrong!
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I am currently working at REI and I'll break down the discounts for those who need it.
An REI employee is allowed to PRODEAL item for himself/herself only. The discount you receive varies greatly on who your prodealing from.
An REI employee may buy items at a discount of 30% off of retail items for family or friends as gift items.
Thats the cut and dry of it. Theres more details when you get into things like returns, reselling items, etc. that I can get into if necessary but judging from the op's question that should answer it.
So to recap yes your sister can buy you items for the 30% discount. She will have to pay for the item herself and no she will not get fired for doing so. No she is not suppose to PRODEAL items for the larger discounts for anyone but herself. Employees do PRODEAL items not for them but I highly suggest that if she does that she makes sure the items she buys are not obviously not for her because she will get caught and fired.
Example: If she prodeals a camping stove for you no one will probly be the wiser.
If she prodeals a mens large jacket, pants, size 13 climbing shoe etc then she will be caught and fired.
REI keeps fairly good tabs on their prodealsl so use at your own risk.
but once again she can get items specifically for you at the 30% discount. If she says other wise she either has no idea of the discount policies or is just bullsh@ting you.
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edited because it apparently deeply offended someone, even though I thought it was pretty clever and funny. Oh well.
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armsrforclimbing wrote: Seriously though, I used to work at an EMS, similar to REI in the Northeast (i.e. an expensive GAP-esque store that sells a few cams). Than is not right. EMS is much better now. I do not know how the Buffalo EMS was run ( I am assuming you worked there) but now all the stores are going through changes and EMS is becoming better and better every year. I am not sure what gear you would need that you cant get from EMS. As far as cams my store has 2 kinds of metolius, BD's, Micros a few aliens, Omega, and trango.
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I worked at REI and I would not give ANYONE my discount. But it didn't stop EVERYONE from asking me for a discount. When I worked there a co-worker got fired for extending his pro-deal to his wife. That sent a pretty strong message to me.
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I applaud you for your integrity, its a chalange to honor the prodeal offered to "you" when every one and your mom wants cheaper gear because you worked hard to earn the prodeal, I deal putting up with friends who wine every time I wear a new pair of shoes by telling them to get a job at REI and stop complaining
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suilenroc wrote: macherry wrote: SendMasterJack wrote: thank you all for your valuable and kind responses. i don't even pass my pro deals on to my husband. seriously, your sister is playing by the rules. if we passed on the pro deal to everyone and their relative, i could say good bye to the pro deal. Great point! Only, the thread has nothing to do with pro deals. He is talking about the "BLA" corporate discount. I say get what you can, while you can, and enjoy! If your sister doesn't want to share her privilege then fine! But, if you can squeeze a feel things from her, even better! I use to work at a small gear shop. If everyone did this, my business would have gone bankrupt! Actually we did go bankrupt. That's not the point. Hooking up family only improves the chances of future sales. Family get friends to go an buy. Which in the end equals more money for everyone. Pro deal, nah! But a discount, hell yeah! If i were you buddy, i'd work on my sister to get some deals. Hell, i bought my sister a xmas present on store discount. Am i wrong for doing this???? F all of you that think that is wrong!
okay, lets talk about staff discounts. this is a perk extended to staff.......not their family and friends. I have used a staff discount to buy gifts at xmas, but if buddy asks me to use the staff discount to buy gear, i still say no.
if everyone extends the staff perks to everyone else, management would soon talk away the discount
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wonderwoman wrote: I worked at REI and I would not give ANYONE my discount. But it didn't stop EVERYONE from asking me for a discount. When I worked there a co-worker got fired for extending his pro-deal to his wife. That sent a pretty strong message to me.
But anyway, its not my store, and I don't work there. The rules are the rules. Its lame for the OP to keep asking when he's already been told once.
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granite_grrl wrote: wonderwoman wrote: I worked at REI and I would not give ANYONE my discount. But it didn't stop EVERYONE from asking me for a discount. When I worked there a co-worker got fired for extending his pro-deal to his wife. That sent a pretty strong message to me. I could see not giving anyone else the discount (including siblings), but not to your spouse?
If I bought him anything, it was a gift. I could do this because REI was my second job and I made more money. I also consider all gear to be MINE! 
But it does grow tiresome when people expect that you could get them deals or something and ask all the time. No means No, ya know what I mean?
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SendMasterJack wrote: May i reiterate this is NOT a pro deal, just a general discount.
My father in law worked at Sears, and his discount was for him only, not family. He knew someone that got fired over socks and pants once.
So it appears as everyone keeps saying, she Can Not give you her Discount, let alone pro deal. But, as they also are saying, she can give you a gift. So if there is one or two things you need she might be able to get it for you at your birthday or Christmas. And Christmas just left town.
But be nice to her and not expect gifts on a regualr basis.
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get over it. Stop bitchin'. If you actually gave a dam then you would stop worrying about saving a few bucks and worry more about how you are trying to jepordize your sister's job.
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Valarc wrote: suilenroc wrote: I say get what you can, while you can, and enjoy! If your sister doesn't want to share ... then fine! But, if you can squeeze a feel ... from her, even better! Hooking up [with] family ... hell yeah! If i were you buddy, i'd work on my sister to get some ... Am i wrong for doing this???? F all of you that think that is wrong! Hey, whatever floats your boat, buddy
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shoulda been nicer to your sister when you were growing up. those wet willies and blown up barbie dolls were a big mistake.
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