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SendMasterJack
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I'm sure this topic has been covered, but I will ask for some advice anyhow. I have a mammut dynamic rope, and the middle of the rope is marked but not very obvious. I was wondering what would be a safe non corrosive way to mark the middle of the rope to save myself some time up yonder.
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bill413
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SendMasterJack wrote: I'm sure this topic has been covered, but I will ask for some advice anyhow. I have a mammut dynamic rope, and the middle of the rope is marked but not very obvious. I was wondering what would be a safe non corrosive way to mark the middle of the rope to save myself some time up yonder.
I've come around to not wanting to mark mid-points. If you misread the mark, or later shorten one leg of the rope, the middle mark may mislead you.
When I want the middle of the rope, I grab both ends & pull them together until I get there.
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mach2
Apr 29, 2009, 1:25 AM
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No offense to bill, but if he decides to go ahead with it, "Marks A Lot" pens or Sharpie are applicable methods, and I suppose you could use different colors if you cut your rope later.
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Lazlo
Apr 29, 2009, 1:34 AM
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I agree with the dental floss.
...and it's not hard to remove if you decide you don't want it there anymore.
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bill413
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mach2 wrote: No offense to bill, but if he decides to go ahead with it, "Marks A Lot" pens or Sharpie are applicable methods, and I suppose you could use different colors if you cut your rope later.
I used to use the Blue Water marking pen...then I heard about other rope manufacturers not wanting to endorse the use of marking pens. So....I'm willing to climb on someone elses rope who did it (more or less - don't ask, don't tell) but I won't do it to mine anymore.
The dental floss seems reasonable...but lately I've heard too many stories of people misjudging equal ends of ropes. So, I spend the extra energy to actually find it (no wonder I can't climb harder, wasting all that on the rope).
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Magic Marker brand and Sharpie are safe. If you do any amount of rappelling you want your middle well marked.
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bill413
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potreroed wrote: Magic Marker brand and Sharpie are safe. If you do any amount of rappelling you want your middle well marked.
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I just use a strip of climbing tape because you can see and feel it easily.
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That light string you can get from opening dog food sacks, or large sacks of bird seed is good.
I attach it with a dbl-fisherman followed by overhands until I have about 2 inches tied on the middle of the rope. It makes a nice mark that is visible and easy to feel. I replace it when it gets dirty or starts to fray from use.
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northfacejmb wrote: I just use a strip of climbing tape because you can see and feel it easily.
Only problem is that tape slips, wears easily and tears.
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and the tape can slide down the rope, and not mark the middle.
New england(Maxim) ropes says to use Avery Marks-a-lot). they said it was tested on thier ropes
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IMHO - i don't agree with weaving dental floss into the mantel. i believe you could possibly degrade it's integraty. when those yarns get stretched tighter then tight on a fall, you don't want anything in between them like sand, grit, even water, which causes excess pressure. sand and grit cut and bla, bla, bla.
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Just whip some floss or nylon thread around the middle occasionally weaving it through the sheath, it works just fine and you don't mess with the core
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bill413 wrote: potreroed wrote: Magic Marker brand and Sharpie are safe. If you do any amount of rappelling you want your middle well marked. If you do any amount of rappelling you want to be sure you find the middle of the rope. Guaranteed. Everytime.
I hear what you're saying, but if I put the mark on my rope, I damn well trust it. I'm determining center the same way you're finding the middle to rappel, only I'm doing it with my feet up on the couch rather than tired at the end of the day on the side of a rock. That said, the trust isn't blind. I make every effort to confirm the ends are where I want them, and watch the ends while rappelling.
Sure, cutting down the rope will result in the mark being off-center. It will also result in a shorter cord, something else that needs to be clearly communicated to partners. I find the markings fade with time. Putting a new mark in the appropriate location shouldn't be an issue. I rarely cut down ropes. When I do, they're usually semi-retired to shorter cragging. In that case, I rely upon middle-marks much less. I'll still caution partners at the start of each day.
As far as what I use, I picked up the Blue Water marker some time ago. I've heard good things about whipping the sheath, which has the added benefit of giving a change in texture. I'd never suggest tape, which can migrate too easily.
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I have searched this on here and haven't ever heard of anyone just wrapping thread around the rope. I'm not down with sticking a needle in the rope like some people say, so I just wrapped some white thread around the middle of my rope a shit ton of times and then tied it off. It's been climbed on about 100 pitches since and it's still in the middle.
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desertwanderer81
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Just use a sharpie and be done with it.
It's the easiest and fastest way......
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desertwanderer81 wrote: Just use a sharpie and be done with it. It's the easiest and fastest way......
Not if you don't have a sharpie.
I've only got a bottle of bleach, iodine, and bucket of half rotted potatoes. How should I mark my rope?
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I use waxed dental tape (extra wide floss). It is stronger and easier to work with. Instead of the traditional whipping, I use a continuous band of clove hitches. Just wrap, tuck and tighten, wrap, tuck and tighten. Keep going till you have a 1/2 inch wide band. I usually do three of these about 3 inches apart. This is really easy with a large sewing needle. With traditional whipping as soon as a strand gets cut the whole thing unravels. With the clove hitch a break doesn't hurt.
Even with the clove hitches, the whipping will not last a lot of weighted runs through a belay device. I usually get only a few sessions of toproping before I get to do it again.
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desertwanderer81
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angry wrote: desertwanderer81 wrote: Just use a sharpie and be done with it. It's the easiest and fastest way...... Not if you don't have a sharpie. I've only got a bottle of bleach, iodine, and bucket of half rotted potatoes. How should I mark my rope?
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I'd mix it all together in a bucket and put the middle of your rope in it.
But if you have a knife, you should cut up part of the middle so that it can perforate it better.
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desertwanderer81 wrote: angry wrote: desertwanderer81 wrote: Just use a sharpie and be done with it. It's the easiest and fastest way...... Not if you don't have a sharpie. I've only got a bottle of bleach, iodine, and bucket of half rotted potatoes. How should I mark my rope? O I'd mix it all together in a bucket and put the middle of your rope in it. But if you have a knife, you should cut up part of the middle so that it can perforate it better.
I was thinking of inserting parts of the potato into the middle so you'd feel it when it passed. The bleach was to sanitize not only the potatoes (cause they're rotting) but also the entire length of the rope because outdoors is icky and germy. The iodine is to clean any wounds I inflict on myself cutting the potato or opening the sheath in the middle.
Two questions though.
Isn't there some cool Mr. Wizard thing you can do with potatoes and iodine? Something about turning blue, I can't remember but maybe this could be integrated into the mark.
The other is, will stitching my sheath back together be better or should I try to melt it back together? I'd use a patch kit but that's not in my list of materials.
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desertwanderer81
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Good idea.
http://www.biology-resources.com/documents/Experiments-sup/02-enzymes/13-starch-phosphorylase.doc
On the potato iodine thingie.
On the rope, you've got to use fire to bind the resins in the rope together after cutting it open. Otherwise the rope will be significantly weakened. Everyone knows this.
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desertwanderer81 wrote: Good idea. http://www.biology-resources.com/documents/Experiments-sup/02-enzymes/13-starch-phosphorylase.doc On the potato iodine thingie. On the rope, you've got to use fire to bind the resins in the rope together after cutting it open. Otherwise the rope will be significantly weakened. Everyone knows this.
Will a barbecue work? Spice pirates stole my lighter.
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Common genious! Now how are you going to light the BBQ without a lighter?
JEEZE.......
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desertwanderer81 wrote: Common genious! Now how are you going to light the BBQ without a lighter? JEEZE.......
Your grill doesn't have a button ignition? Lame ass.
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drink the bleach, eat the potatoes, and piss on the rope.
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desertwanderer81
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markc wrote: desertwanderer81 wrote: Common genious! Now how are you going to light the BBQ without a lighter? JEEZE....... Your grill doesn't have a button ignition? Lame ass.
I grill with charcoal!
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angry wrote: desertwanderer81 wrote: Just use a sharpie and be done with it. It's the easiest and fastest way...... Not if you don't have a sharpie. I've only got a bottle of bleach, iodine, and bucket of half rotted potatoes. How should I mark my rope?
Cat piss.
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reno wrote: angry wrote: desertwanderer81 wrote: Just use a sharpie and be done with it. It's the easiest and fastest way...... Not if you don't have a sharpie. I've only got a bottle of bleach, iodine, and bucket of half rotted potatoes. How should I mark my rope? Cat piss.
I don't have a cat (well, I do but it's in my freezer and isn't able to piss anymore).
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desertwanderer81 wrote: Common genious! Now how are you going to light the BBQ without a lighter? JEEZE.......
Rope the rope & potatoes together until they combust?
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angry wrote: angry wrote: Not if you don't have a sharpie. I've only got a bottle of bleach, iodine, and bucket of half rotted potatoes. How should I mark my rope? ... I was thinking of inserting parts of the potato into the middle so you'd feel it when it passed. The bleach was to sanitize not only the potatoes (cause they're rotting) but also the entire length of the rope because outdoors is icky and germy. The iodine is to clean any wounds I inflict on myself cutting the potato or opening the sheath in the middle. .... The other is, will stitching my sheath back together be better or should I try to melt it back together? I'd use a patch kit but that's not in my list of materials.
I think you should treat the rope with the iodine where you cut the sheath or the core so that it doesn't get infected. After all, there are all those germs floating out there (especially on your partners). Do this before melting it back together (or stapling - I think lots of doctors are using staples now instead of stitching).
I do like the idea of the potatoes for tactile feedback, and being rotten they would still squeeze down to pass thru a belay device.
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If you don't like marker nor dental floss try a weaving a contrasting yarn through the rope sheath. I've gotten two years out of it before it needs replacing.
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desertwanderer81 wrote: Common genious!
WTF?
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Adk wrote: If you don't like marker nor dental floss try a weaving a contrasting yarn through the rope sheath. I've gotten two years out of it before it needs replacing.
How dare you reply with a legitimate answer!!! :D
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reg wrote: IMHO - i don't agree with weaving dental floss into the mantel. i believe you could possibly degrade it's integraty. when those yarns get stretched tighter then tight on a fall, you don't want anything in between them like sand, grit, even water, which causes excess pressure. sand and grit cut and bla, bla, bla.
Except that if you only weave it into the sheath, you're not touching the part of the rope that actually needs to be strong. We worry about sand and what not getting into the core and acting like tiny knives, but the sheath is supposed to be up to it.
I've used the weave in method and it works very well. When I had to cut off 3m from the end, it took about 5 minutes to pull out the old mark, and another 20 to locate the new middle and remark it. No real problem.
My workhorse rope is a bipattern though. Its only got a summer left in it though, and then its due to be retired.
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desertwanderer81 wrote: Adk wrote: If you don't like marker nor dental floss try a weaving a contrasting yarn through the rope sheath. I've gotten two years out of it before it needs replacing. How dare you reply with a legitimate answer!!! :D
I've been scorned.. I'll try to be more sarcastic from now on.
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Adk wrote: desertwanderer81 wrote: Adk wrote: If you don't like marker nor dental floss try a weaving a contrasting yarn through the rope sheath. I've gotten two years out of it before it needs replacing. How dare you reply with a legitimate answer!!! :D I've been scorned.. I'll try to be more sarcastic from now on.
Now you're getting the idea!! Good job!
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You can buy a special dye for marking rope which is ok'ed by the rope manufacturers.
Its cheap and most climbing stores should have it
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if you don't want to waste you time with "special dye" you can just find the middle and then drive back and forth over it enough times until the tires leave a good solid mark.
Plus you get a cool design!!
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kylekienitz wrote: if you don't want to waste you time with "special dye" you can just find the middle and then drive back and forth over it enough times until the tires leave a good solid mark. Plus you get a cool design!!
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bill413 wrote: kylekienitz wrote: if you don't want to waste you time with "special dye" you can just find the middle and then drive back and forth over it enough times until the tires leave a good solid mark. Plus you get a cool design!! Would you use summer or winter tires?
studded tires with chains.
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I like using a knife to mark the middle. That way you'll never lose it, 'cause it's an end!
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Lazlo wrote: bill413 wrote: kylekienitz wrote: if you don't want to waste you time with "special dye" you can just find the middle and then drive back and forth over it enough times until the tires leave a good solid mark. Plus you get a cool design!! Would you use summer or winter tires? studded tires with chains.
But I thought chains were to mark the top end of the rope, at the anchors.
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shoo wrote: I like using a knife to mark the middle. That way you'll never lose it, 'cause it's an end!
This is actually a pretty good way to retrieve the rope after rappelling. Except you cut the rope until it can still hold one person's body weight. Then you get down and instead of having to pull the rope (boring and slow), you just have a friend pull on one side with you on the other until it breaks and comes down (quick and easy)! Methods like this have really saved me a lot of time at the crag.
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kylekienitz wrote: shoo wrote: I like using a knife to mark the middle. That way you'll never lose it, 'cause it's an end! This is actually a pretty good way to retrieve the rope after rappelling. Except you cut the rope until it can still hold one person's body weight. Then you get down and instead of having to pull the rope (boring and slow), you just have a friend pull on one side with you on the other until it breaks and comes down (quick and easy)! Methods like this have really saved me a lot of time at the crag.
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kylekienitz wrote: if you don't want to waste you time with "special dye" you can just find the middle and then drive back and forth over it enough times until the tires leave a good solid mark. Plus you get a cool design!!
yep---
---this is exactly how petzl marked their zephyrs
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no_email_entered wrote: kylekienitz wrote: if you don't want to waste you time with "special dye" you can just find the middle and then drive back and forth over it enough times until the tires leave a good solid mark. Plus you get a cool design!! yep--- ---this is exactly how petzl marked their zephyrs
Ouch.
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Lazlo wrote: no_email_entered wrote: kylekienitz wrote: if you don't want to waste you time with "special dye" you can just find the middle and then drive back and forth over it enough times until the tires leave a good solid mark. Plus you get a cool design!! yep--- ---this is exactly how petzl marked their zephyrs Ouch.
Mammut uses drunk people who pee on the middle of the rope during St. Patty's day, green dye.
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Terry2124 wrote: Lazlo wrote: no_email_entered wrote: kylekienitz wrote: if you don't want to waste you time with "special dye" you can just find the middle and then drive back and forth over it enough times until the tires leave a good solid mark. Plus you get a cool design!! yep--- ---this is exactly how petzl marked their zephyrs Ouch. Mammut uses drunk people who pee on the middle of the rope during St. Patty's day, green dye.
Good thing they don't use cats!!
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Forget the dental floss. It just comes off after a few rappels. Bust out the wallet and spend $5 on a set of 3 Avery Marks a Lot Pens. You can find them at Rite Aid, Amazon, & probably Staples. They are "non toxic" and safe for children. New England recommends them. It's better than rapping off the end of your rope cuz you missed the middle.
http://www.amazon.com/...320022327&sr=8-2
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Or you can just tie knots in the ends of the rope and not go rapping off the end of your rope.
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Good point. You need to mark your middle AND tie knots in the ends of the rope. We lose a couple climbers every year in rappelling accidents. Some of these could have been prevented by tying simple stopper knots in the ends of the ropes. A stopper knot is like tying the first half of a double fisherman's knot.
http://www.animatedknots.com/...ww.animatedknots.com
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firemed6 wrote: Or you can just tie knots in the ends of the rope and not go rapping off the end of your rope.
Just tie the knot in the middle, then you will always find it quickly, even in the dark.
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I would think that after over 2 years, the OP has probably found something that works. Or he screwed up and his battered body at the base of some obscure cliff has been eaten by scavengers.
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rrrADAM
Nov 1, 2011, 10:54 AM
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SendMasterJack wrote: I'm sure this topic has been covered, but I will ask for some advice anyhow. I have a mammut dynamic rope, and the middle of the rope is marked but not very obvious. I was wondering what would be a safe non corrosive way to mark the middle of the rope to save myself some time up yonder.
I just use a small piece of sport tape. Makes it easy for the belay to recognize as it passes through the ATC, as they can feel it, then they can yell up "half way".
Also good for if I have to cut 6-8 feet off of one end due to wear, as just remove old and add a new piece of tape at new middle.
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jae8908
Nov 1, 2011, 3:22 PM
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rrrADAM wrote: SendMasterJack wrote: I'm sure this topic has been covered, but I will ask for some advice anyhow. I have a mammut dynamic rope, and the middle of the rope is marked but not very obvious. I was wondering what would be a safe non corrosive way to mark the middle of the rope to save myself some time up yonder. I just use a small piece of sport tape. Makes it easy for the belay to recognize as it passes through the ATC, as they can feel it, then they can yell up "half way". Also good for if I have to cut 6-8 feet off of one end due to wear, as just remove old and add a new piece of tape at new middle.
Apparently you didn't read the thread huh?:bash
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naitch
Nov 1, 2011, 5:40 PM
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Just do it the "green" way and get some sap from the nearest pine tree and rub about a 3-6" section at the mid-point. You be able to feel when it feeds through your hand. And, after a short time, you be able to both see and feel the grit that it's picked up. Looks almost like a faded Avery marked rope.
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marc801
Nov 1, 2011, 9:26 PM
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jae8908 wrote: rrrADAM wrote: SendMasterJack wrote: I'm sure this topic has been covered, but I will ask for some advice anyhow. I have a mammut dynamic rope, and the middle of the rope is marked but not very obvious. I was wondering what would be a safe non corrosive way to mark the middle of the rope to save myself some time up yonder. I just use a small piece of sport tape. Makes it easy for the belay to recognize as it passes through the ATC, as they can feel it, then they can yell up "half way". Also good for if I have to cut 6-8 feet off of one end due to wear, as just remove old and add a new piece of tape at new middle. Apparently you didn't read the thread huh?:bash
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rrrADAM
Nov 2, 2011, 7:51 PM
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marc801 wrote: jae8908 wrote: rrrADAM wrote: SendMasterJack wrote: I'm sure this topic has been covered, but I will ask for some advice anyhow. I have a mammut dynamic rope, and the middle of the rope is marked but not very obvious. I was wondering what would be a safe non corrosive way to mark the middle of the rope to save myself some time up yonder. I just use a small piece of sport tape. Makes it easy for the belay to recognize as it passes through the ATC, as they can feel it, then they can yell up "half way". Also good for if I have to cut 6-8 feet off of one end due to wear, as just remove old and add a new piece of tape at new middle. Apparently you didn't read the thread huh?:bash I'd say obviously, since he's replying to SendMasterJack as if it were written yesterday instead of in April of 2009.
No, I didn't read all 3 pages... I saw the title, as it was on the forum index page, meaning it was the thread with the most recent reply, clicked on it, read the OP text not the date (honestly, how often does anybody read the date?), and replied.
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marc801
Nov 2, 2011, 8:16 PM
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Which is why we get so many zombie threads here, resurrected from the dead.
Sometimes it makes sense, as when the new reply has current relevance. But when the new reply is answering the OP question as if it had just been posted, that's kinda lame, especially when the question had some degree of time sensitivity.
At least in your case you were replying as a result of someone else bumping the thread to the main page by answering a two year old question.
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