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c_plante
Dec 27, 2001, 12:34 AM
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No problem!
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kevinwaldock
Feb 5, 2002, 9:47 PM
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i live in scarborough, my and a friend were bored and went to rappel a steep part of the bluffs and these cops came at us like we were robing a bank, they even tried to say they could take our gear, give a huge ticket, etc, but i think they were just power trippin. have any of you buildered (sP) on walls that are made with like real rocks in them, ya know the kind you'd see at an old cottage. i found them to be my fav thing to climb in da city.
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c_plante
Feb 6, 2002, 10:56 AM
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Here they are the official Ontario Statutes from http://192.75.156.68/home_E.asp?lang=en
It's the Ontario Governments E-Law website.
So I guess this means that on any Provincial Park, or Niagra park, they can do something... Of course on private property, or an area not designated as a provincial park... Well that's grey area I guess.
Provincial Parks Act
Loi sur les parcs provinciaux
REVISED REGULATIONS OF ONTARIO
REGULATION 952
Amended to O. Reg. 669/00
GENERAL
5.1 (1) No person shall rappel or climb rock faces in a provincial park with the aid of ropes, anchors or similar equipment except in an area designated for that purpose.
SCHEDULE 66.1
Regulation 829 of the Revised Regulations of Ontario, 1990
made under the Niagara Parks Act
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Climb tree
clause 2 (1) (b)
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Climb fence
clause 2 (1) (b)
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Climb bench or seat
clause 2 (1) (c)
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Climb monument
clause 2 (1) (c)
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Climb sign
clause 2 (1) (c)
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Climb bridge
clause 2 (1) (d)
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Climb wall
http://192.75.156.68/home_E.asp?lang=en
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frenchy2dope
Feb 6, 2002, 2:39 PM
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I have a brother who is a city cop and a sister in-law who is OPP, i shall inquire about the legalities if road side climbing. My thinking is it is probably illegal, especially is you have to access the rock by stopping on the shoulder.
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c_plante
Feb 7, 2002, 6:46 AM
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That'd be sweet, thanks!
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downshift
Mar 22, 2002, 2:17 PM
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Rockclimbing_rayjay
I'm pretty sure the wall South of the train tracks on 69 isn't bolted I'm pretty sure they guys I saw climbing it were doing trad. As for the Transcanada I haven't been that far north in a number of years so I have no idea on any of the rock out that way. I do know there is a whole bunch of climbs off the highway a few are mentioned in David Smarts book Ontario's finest rock climbs.
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downshift
Mar 24, 2002, 2:57 PM
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I know what you mean I really want to get out there sometime... It's such a long drive... Oh well, once my partners and I line out our vacation time we'll make a run up...
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downshift
Aug 12, 2002, 11:04 PM
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Just wanted to bring this up top again since I had a question about it.
When climbing in a Provincial park where climbing is not allowed what is the charge. Also is it a fine or imprisonment?
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spike_in_milton
Aug 13, 2002, 12:34 AM
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Well, while in a park you're subject to that parks rules and regulations, so violation of park rules and regulations would be my guess . Sounds like a fine and getting booted out to me. Of course, repeat offenses could get you a criminal trespassing charge if they've told you not to come back.
Adam
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geezergecko
Aug 13, 2002, 2:07 AM
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I suppose that they could also confiscate your gear. This sort of thing wouldn't make the Access Committee's job any easier now, would it?
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downshift
Aug 13, 2002, 2:28 AM
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Well don't get me wrong. I'm not endorsing breaking laws or climbing in non permitted areas. I'm not trying assess fines to figure out if I can afford to climbing in closed areas. (That maybe my outlook on speeding but not climbing ) I just want to use this form to clarify the legalities. By no means am I trying to thwart any of the access committee efforts.
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c_plante
Aug 13, 2002, 10:37 PM
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rockclimbing_rayjay: There's a lot of nice sweet climbing on the trans-canada north of sudbury, just pull over and there it is!
Downshift:
If some jerk-off tried to take my gear they'd be getting a whole lot of me in their face. Unless they produce the exact statute that gives them the right to take your gear I say fight it all the way to court. Even if they do produce the statute ask for a copy or a court order or something. The Parks and Fisheries people have a whole lot of power when it comes to hunting and fishing illegally, they do have the power to take everything in your possession.
The OPP most likely do not! As for a provincial park, if they complain I'd just apologize and pack up the gear and leave. If they took my gear I'd charge them with theft. It's that simple. Every park that I've been too have posted rules, both general provincial park rules and specific rules for that park.
Which is why I climbed at Agawa, the rules that I saw referred to the pictographs in particular, so I didn't climb in that area, but I did climb in the "Agawa Rock" area, which is pretty big.
Christian
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sirjohn
Aug 18, 2002, 2:41 PM
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What about climbing on Crown Land in Ontario,Canada?
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c_plante
Aug 19, 2002, 5:29 AM
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Well you can camp on crown land for free, maybe those liberties extend beyond just camping. There is no federal law with regards to climbing, and since crown land is federal... You know I wish they'd post these damned answers. I've gone looking through all of my sources, called in some friends and asked them, no one really truly knows. If you can point at a law and say "This is so." Then I'll believe it, but frankly most people just say "Well it's not safe, therefore it's illegal right?"
Right...
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