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Yeah, we need a little encyclopedia climbatica action here. I want a list of all the worthy hardmen (and women) that put the balls (of muff) to the wall and pulled off some neat stuff. I'll order the stuff into alphabeticalness and stuff.

So here it is,
Who's Who in climbing history:
A
Abalakov, Vitaly. 1906 - 1986 Russain Alpinist. Invented the Abalakov/V-thread.

B
Balmat, Jacques. 1762–1834. First ascent of Mont Blanc.

C
Riccardo Cassin. 1909-2009. Italian alpinist. Literally thousands of first ascents of technical routes all over the world. Started Cassin equipment. Decorated for military achievement for the Italian resistance partisans.

D
Dawes Johnny. 1964 -. British rock climber. First ascents of routes with both very high technical difficulty and striking risk (poor gear, long run outs). Most known for his routes on the English Gritstone.

E

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Frost, Tom. ????-. First ascents on Yosemite big walls, and some in the greater ranges. Also, first ascent of Lotus Flower Tower in the Cirque of the Unclimbables. Owner of Frostworks. Co-invented the RURP with Yvon.

G
Gill, John. 1937 - . The father of bouldering. First to use chalk and dynamic movement. Among the first to view bouldering as it's own sport and not just training. Please note that the beanies and boom-boxes were not his idea.

H
Humar, Tomaž. 1969 - 2009. Slovenian alpinist and big-waller. Famous for his bold new routes and solos in the greater ranges.

I

J

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Kain, Conrad. 1883-1934. Austrian super-guide. First ascents of serious peaks in Europe and Canada, including the stunning Bugaboo Spire.

L
Lowe, Alex. 1958-1999. American alpinist and ultra-badass.

I'll finish this later, I have an exam on monday that I should probably get back to studying for.


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sungam wrote:
I want a list of all the worthy hardmen

J

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j jcrew .....guy basicially invented the concept of going big on the intenet, then being on "rest day" at the crag.


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Before everyone replies, adding their name to the list...there is this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_climbers

Personal favorites:
Yvon Choinard...founder of Choinard gear and patagonia.

Lynn Hill...feed the nose. I want to be just like her when I growed up.


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Ebert, Jim. Has guided more clients in more mountain states, 7, and more alpine countries, 11, than any other guide with a perfect safety record.


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^^^ literally made me laugh out loud ^^^


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Laugh all you want but you should research about people before you laugh at them. He charges good money to take people who cannot walk hiking in the Grand Canyon. When was the last time you did something nice for someone else and made an awesome profit?!? Food for thoughts.


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karmiclimber wrote:
Laugh all you want but you should research about people before you laugh at them. He charges good money to take people who cannot walk hiking in the Grand Canyon. When was the last time you did something nice for someone else and made an awesome profit?!? Food for thoughts.

Never.

I am sure Jim is a great guy, but that doesn't mean that he is not also a pretty funny dude.


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God, I am just glad someone out there is saving all of the top ropers who are dying left and right. He said in his resume that no one ever got injured on a trip with him that could not be fixed with a bandaid. Broken foot? Put a bandaid on that sucker and quit yer bitchin'.


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karmiclimber wrote:
God, I am just glad someone out there is saving all of the top ropers who are dying left and right. He said in his resume that no one ever got injured on a trip with him that could not be fixed with a bandaid. Broken foot? Put a bandaid on that sucker and quit yer bitchin'.

I am pretty sure that you misread the pdf. He never had an injury that could not be fixed with a bandaid or and ace bandage. He only says it a million times. How dare you slander JIM EBERT like that.


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Oh, and to be on topic.

R for Royal
R for Robbins


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We should call him. No you should call him. Record him and put it on your blog. I double dog dare you.


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Twight, Mark. In the straight bad-ass category.


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karmiclimber wrote:
We should call him. No you should call him. Record him and put it on your blog. I double dog dare you.

My blog couldn't handle it, but I am sure yours could.


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sungam wrote:

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Balmat, Jacques. 1762–1834. First ascent of Mont Blanc.

Beckey, Fred.

Still alive, although only your mom and china has any idea of his whereabouts recently. More first ascents than....your mom.


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Wiessner, Fritz
Kraus, Hans
Bachar, John
Long, John
Whymper, Edward
Shipton, Eric

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Me.


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Schoening, Pete.
Most famous belay bitch in the mountaineering world.


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Dip wrote:
^^^ literally made me laugh out loud ^^^

+1


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Matt Wilder

he's freed Yosemite big walls, climbs 5.14R on gear, and sends V14 boulders. All while working on his Phd in cognitive science. He is the author of 2 guidebooks (Yosemite Bouldering & Hueco Tanks Bouldering), and he used to be a rubik's cube performer on the street. That's all pretty bad-ass IMO.

notable ascents:
-FFA of Cheating Reality 5.14R N face Devils Thumb.
-FA of Viceroy 5.14 R (unrepeated)
-Sent The Path 5.14.
-FA's of 2 buttermilk highballs This Side of Paradise (V10) and The Ninth (V7). They are both 50 feet or higher.

interview: http://gtotheregory.blogspot.com/...ilder-interview.html

It'd be nice to see him on your list.


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karmiclimber wrote:
We should call him. No you should call him. Record him and put it on your blog. I double dog dare you.

This thread also made me laugh. If someone gets the audio, I'll post it ... at least until I see a 'cease and desist' letter.

For the list:
E: Ed Webster - I've always thought he had a good perspective on alpine/mountaineering worth sharing.

P: Phil Bircheff on a good day, for FAs and sculptures

and

P: Phil Bircheff on a bad day, for being that crusty cranky old guy.


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Okay, Matt Wilder I like!
Fred becky will OBVIOUSLY make the list. Indeed all of the ones on the wiki list will be on it. Let's get some names that aren't on it down!
Come on - who developed all your local crags? Who put up the testpieces you aspire to climb in your state?
Post 'em UP!


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karmiclimber wrote:
Before everyone replies, adding their name to the list...there is this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_climbers

Personal favorites:
Yvon Choinard...founder of Choinard gear and patagonia.

Lynn Hill...feed the nose. I want to be just like her when I growed up.

that sound yummy


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sungam wrote:
Okay, Matt Wilder I like!
Fred becky will OBVIOUSLY make the list. Indeed all of the ones on the wiki list will be on it. Let's get some names that aren't on it down!
Come on - who developed all your local crags? Who put up the testpieces you aspire to climb in your state?
Post 'em UP!

Stegg, Shannon, The Epitome of the southern hardman.

He put up almost every route at Tallulah, and half of the routes at Laurel Knob, including the only 5.12s.


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johnwesely wrote:
sungam wrote:
Okay, Matt Wilder I like!
Fred becky will OBVIOUSLY make the list. Indeed all of the ones on the wiki list will be on it. Let's get some names that aren't on it down!
Come on - who developed all your local crags? Who put up the testpieces you aspire to climb in your state?
Post 'em UP!

Stegg, Shannon, The Epitome of the southern hardman.

He put up almost every route at Tallulah, and half of the routes at Laurel Knob, including the only 5.12s.

In that case we probably can't overlook Arno Ilgner or Rob Robinson either.


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colatownkid wrote:
johnwesely wrote:
sungam wrote:
Okay, Matt Wilder I like!
Fred becky will OBVIOUSLY make the list. Indeed all of the ones on the wiki list will be on it. Let's get some names that aren't on it down!
Come on - who developed all your local crags? Who put up the testpieces you aspire to climb in your state?
Post 'em UP!

Stegg, Shannon, The Epitome of the southern hardman.

He put up almost every route at Tallulah, and half of the routes at Laurel Knob, including the only 5.12s.

In that case we probably can't overlook Arno Ilgner or Rob Robinson either.

Agreed.


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johnwesely wrote:
colatownkid wrote:
johnwesely wrote:
sungam wrote:
Okay, Matt Wilder I like!
Fred becky will OBVIOUSLY make the list. Indeed all of the ones on the wiki list will be on it. Let's get some names that aren't on it down!
Come on - who developed all your local crags? Who put up the testpieces you aspire to climb in your state?
Post 'em UP!

Stegg, Shannon, The Epitome of the southern hardman.

He put up almost every route at Tallulah, and half of the routes at Laurel Knob, including the only 5.12s.

In that case we probably can't overlook Arno Ilgner or Rob Robinson either.

Agreed.
Can you guys give me little snippets like I have on the list? Preferably with where they're from/operated and when.


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sungam wrote:
johnwesely wrote:
colatownkid wrote:
johnwesely wrote:
sungam wrote:
Okay, Matt Wilder I like!
Fred becky will OBVIOUSLY make the list. Indeed all of the ones on the wiki list will be on it. Let's get some names that aren't on it down!
Come on - who developed all your local crags? Who put up the testpieces you aspire to climb in your state?
Post 'em UP!

Stegg, Shannon, The Epitome of the southern hardman.

He put up almost every route at Tallulah, and half of the routes at Laurel Knob, including the only 5.12s.

In that case we probably can't overlook Arno Ilgner or Rob Robinson either.

Agreed.
Can you guys give me little snippets like I have on the list? Preferably with where they're from/operated and when.

Shannon Stegg, late seventies to the present, Responsible for hard, bold traditional climbs all over the southeast. Most notable for almost every route at Tallulah, Over 50 pitches at Whitesides, including the only route with no bolts on the main South East face, and almost half of the lines at Laurel Knob.

I don't have enough info on Arno, outside of his stuff at Whitesides, to write one.

Same deal with Rob Robinson. However, there is a really great interview with him on the SCC website.
http://www.seclimbers.org/...;order=0&thold=0


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B Baillie, Rusty

C Cleveland, Pete

E Erickson, Jim


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Peter Croft

Sierra Nevada Mtns.

http://en.wikipedia.org/...eter_Croft_(climber)

Royal Robbins calls this guy his "hero"

nuff said


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Just for openers,

John Bragg
Art Gran
Jim McCarthy
Rich Romano
John Stannard
Dick Williams
Steve Wunsch

The East Coast, from north to south, gets especially short shrift on the Wiki.


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Keep 'em coming. I'll get around to sorting through them all and compiling the list soon as finals are over. (2 weeks or so)


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If this is your standard, then it's gotta be said:

Porter Jarrard
Doug Reed

I don't even know how many routes of theirs I (or you) have climbed.


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E for Eman


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Henry Barber
John Stannard
Fred Beckey


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The Gunks List:

Fritz Wiesner
Hans Kraus
Dick Williams
Lynn Hill


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Hey guys/gals, some of the people listed don't have tons of info available online - would people be keen on writing up a short biography on their favorite local hero/ine/s? I've decided that the little short things I did in the examples is NOT enough, we should have a nice big info on everybody.


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sungam wrote:
Hey guys/gals, some of the people listed don't have tons of info available online - would people be keen on writing up a short biography on their favorite local hero/ine/s? I've decided that the little short things I did in the examples is NOT enough, we should have a nice big info on everybody.

A good start for the US rock climbers is "American Rock" by Don Mellor. Good Book.


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napoleon_in_rags wrote:
sungam wrote:
Hey guys/gals, some of the people listed don't have tons of info available online - would people be keen on writing up a short biography on their favorite local hero/ine/s? I've decided that the little short things I did in the examples is NOT enough, we should have a nice big info on everybody.

A good start for the US rock climbers is "American Rock" by Don Mellor. Good Book.
Bookscan sukkit, I want to know what the locals think about their local badasses!


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napoleon_in_rags wrote:
sungam wrote:
Hey guys/gals, some of the people listed don't have tons of info available online - would people be keen on writing up a short biography on their favorite local hero/ine/s? I've decided that the little short things I did in the examples is NOT enough, we should have a nice big info on everybody.

A good start for the US rock climbers is "American Rock" by Don Mellor. Good Book.

An even better resource is Pat Ament's book, "Wizards of Rock, A History of Free Climbing in America."

Curt


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Herb and Jan Conn


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Herb and Jan Conn
Info about them please?


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God, I am just glad someone out there is saving all of the top ropers who are dying left and right. He said in his resume that no one ever got injured on a trip with him that could not be fixed with a bandaid. Broken foot? Put a bandaid on that sucker and quit yer bitchin'.

Bag Balm works better.

DMT


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sungam wrote:
johnwesely wrote:
colatownkid wrote:
johnwesely wrote:
sungam wrote:
Okay, Matt Wilder I like!
Fred becky will OBVIOUSLY make the list. Indeed all of the ones on the wiki list will be on it. Let's get some names that aren't on it down!
Come on - who developed all your local crags? Who put up the testpieces you aspire to climb in your state?
Post 'em UP!

Stegg, Shannon, The Epitome of the southern hardman.

He put up almost every route at Tallulah, and half of the routes at Laurel Knob, including the only 5.12s.

In that case we probably can't overlook Arno Ilgner or Rob Robinson either.

Agreed.
Can you guys give me little snippets like I have on the list? Preferably with where they're from/operated and when.

together with Forrest Gardner they discovered and opened T-Wall. That do ya?

DMT


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dingus wrote:
sungam wrote:
johnwesely wrote:
colatownkid wrote:
johnwesely wrote:
sungam wrote:
Okay, Matt Wilder I like!
Fred becky will OBVIOUSLY make the list. Indeed all of the ones on the wiki list will be on it. Let's get some names that aren't on it down!
Come on - who developed all your local crags? Who put up the testpieces you aspire to climb in your state?
Post 'em UP!

Stegg, Shannon, The Epitome of the southern hardman.

He put up almost every route at Tallulah, and half of the routes at Laurel Knob, including the only 5.12s.

In that case we probably can't overlook Arno Ilgner or Rob Robinson either.

Agreed.
Can you guys give me little snippets like I have on the list? Preferably with where they're from/operated and when.

together with Forrest Gardner they discovered and opened T-Wall. That do ya?

DMT
Well, it's a start. T-wall is badass, but I was hoping for a little back story to each person.
E.G. "John Langsdon is a pretentions spray-bot that is known for climbing trad harder then he had* ever climbed sport. He did lots of gnarly offwidths in CO, UT, and WY, but then moved to Bermuda where he now sprays at the climbing wall for a living and does all the hardest routes in the area, except when dave macleod comes to town and puts up a V13. He met dave."
Cool


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sungam wrote:
dingus wrote:
sungam wrote:
johnwesely wrote:
colatownkid wrote:
johnwesely wrote:
sungam wrote:
Okay, Matt Wilder I like!
Fred becky will OBVIOUSLY make the list. Indeed all of the ones on the wiki list will be on it. Let's get some names that aren't on it down!
Come on - who developed all your local crags? Who put up the testpieces you aspire to climb in your state?
Post 'em UP!

Stegg, Shannon, The Epitome of the southern hardman.

He put up almost every route at Tallulah, and half of the routes at Laurel Knob, including the only 5.12s.

In that case we probably can't overlook Arno Ilgner or Rob Robinson either.

Agreed.
Can you guys give me little snippets like I have on the list? Preferably with where they're from/operated and when.

together with Forrest Gardner they discovered and opened T-Wall. That do ya?

DMT
Well, it's a start. T-wall is badass, but I was hoping for a little back story to each person.
E.G. "John Langsdon is a pretentions spray-bot that is known for climbing trad harder then he had* ever climbed sport. He did lots of gnarly offwidths in CO, UT, and WY, but then moved to Bermuda where he now sprays at the climbing wall for a living and does all the hardest routes in the area, except when dave macleod comes to town and puts up a V13. He met dave."
Cool

Do you pay by the word, or by post?

DMT


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dingus wrote:
sungam wrote:
dingus wrote:
sungam wrote:
johnwesely wrote:
colatownkid wrote:
johnwesely wrote:
sungam wrote:
Okay, Matt Wilder I like!
Fred becky will OBVIOUSLY make the list. Indeed all of the ones on the wiki list will be on it. Let's get some names that aren't on it down!
Come on - who developed all your local crags? Who put up the testpieces you aspire to climb in your state?
Post 'em UP!

Stegg, Shannon, The Epitome of the southern hardman.

He put up almost every route at Tallulah, and half of the routes at Laurel Knob, including the only 5.12s.

In that case we probably can't overlook Arno Ilgner or Rob Robinson either.

Agreed.
Can you guys give me little snippets like I have on the list? Preferably with where they're from/operated and when.

together with Forrest Gardner they discovered and opened T-Wall. That do ya?

DMT
Well, it's a start. T-wall is badass, but I was hoping for a little back story to each person.
E.G. "John Langsdon is a pretentions spray-bot that is known for climbing trad harder then he had* ever climbed sport. He did lots of gnarly offwidths in CO, UT, and WY, but then moved to Bermuda where he now sprays at the climbing wall for a living and does all the hardest routes in the area, except when dave macleod comes to town and puts up a V13. He met dave."
Cool

Do you pay by the word, or by post?

DMT
This is a free service for climbers as a whole. :) I provide this service free.


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sungam wrote:
moose_droppings wrote:
Herb and Jan Conn
Info about them please?

Herb and Jan were the ultimate pioneers of climbing in the Black Hills. From the late 1940's through the 1950's they established over 200 FA's on needles, spires and formations in the hills. They maintained strong free climbing ethics on all of their climbs. Sometime in the late 50's they were hired by the Parks Service to explore and map miles and miles of Jewel Cave (second longest in the world), and continued there into the 70's. Even with today's equipment, many of their routes are very bold.


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sungam wrote:
Well, it's a start. T-wall is badass, but I was hoping for a little back story to each person.
E.G. "John Langsdon is a pretentions spray-bot that is known for climbing trad harder then he had* ever climbed sport. He did lots of gnarly offwidths in CO, UT, and WY, but then moved to Bermuda where he now sprays at the climbing wall for a living and does all the hardest routes in the area, except when dave macleod comes to town and puts up a V13. He met dave."
Cool

I'm confused. Are you cupping my balls again?


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We're missing some important names here.

Reinhold Messner
John Salathe
Warren Harding
Gaston Rebuffat (who else is bad ass enough to have a climbing move named after them?)
Jeff Lowe
Alan Watts
Ron Kauk
Ray Jardine
Werner Braun
Jim Bridwell
Sir Edmund Hillary
Tommy Caldwell


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malcolm777b wrote:
We're missing some important names here.

Tommy Caldwell
Yes! Tommy Caldwell
Ammon McNeely


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malcolm777b wrote:
We're missing some important names here.

Reinhold Messner
John Salathe
Warren Harding
Gaston Rebuffat (who else is bad ass enough to have a climbing move named after them?)
Jeff Lowe
Alan Watts
Ron Kauk
Ray Jardine
Werner Braun
Jim Bridwell
Sir Edmund Hillary
Tommy Caldwell

Some other obvious gaps.

Sonnie Trotter
Dave Mcloed (sp?)
Wolfgang Gullich
Steve House
The Leather pants wearing brothers who speed climb el-cap. Can't remember their names.


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John Turner
Hidetaka Suzuki
John Bouchard
TM Herbert
Jim Bridwell
Layton Kor
Dougal Haston


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irregularpanda wrote:
malcolm777b wrote:
We're missing some important names here.

Reinhold Messner
John Salathe
Warren Harding
Gaston Rebuffat (who else is bad ass enough to have a climbing move named after them?)
Jeff Lowe
Alan Watts
Ron Kauk
Ray Jardine
Werner Braun
Jim Bridwell
Sir Edmund Hillary
Tommy Caldwell

Some other obvious gaps.

Sonnie Trotter
Dave Mcloed (sp?)
Wolfgang Gullich
Steve House
The Leather pants wearing brothers who speed climb el-cap. Can't remember their names.

That would be the Hubers, sport hard enough that it took 10 years or so before ondra repeated them, first ascents on baffin 5.14 free solo's alpine shizz that'll chill your bones and their balls are easy to cup because of high viz leather pants.


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Renato cassarato

Soloing stuff in the 70's, and 80's that would make most climbers heads spin today. The Cassarato Pillar on Fitzroy is named after him. He died attempting to solo the Magic Line on K2 in 1986 if I'm not mistaken.


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I_do wrote:
irregularpanda wrote:
malcolm777b wrote:
We're missing some important names here.

Reinhold Messner
John Salathe
Warren Harding
Gaston Rebuffat (who else is bad ass enough to have a climbing move named after them?)
Jeff Lowe
Alan Watts
Ron Kauk
Ray Jardine
Werner Braun
Jim Bridwell
Sir Edmund Hillary
Tommy Caldwell

Some other obvious gaps.

Sonnie Trotter
Dave Mcloed (sp?)
Wolfgang Gullich
Steve House
The Leather pants wearing brothers who speed climb el-cap. Can't remember their names.

That would be the Hubers, sport hard enough that it took 10 years or so before ondra repeated them, first ascents on baffin 5.14 free solo's alpine shizz that'll chill your bones and their balls are easy to cup because of high viz leather pants.

Yeah, those tools. *swoon* I wonder what kind of conditioner they use.


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