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I've made a bad habit of keep all of my climbing gear in my trunk. Today I decided to pull everything out and store it in boxes in my house.
Originally I thought that since the rope was dry when I last put it in my trunk (November) that it'd be fine now. Though now I've come to find that one of my ropes (not stored in a bag) felt pretty damp when pulling it out as well as a number of my draws and daisy chain. All of my sport draws and 2 other ropes felt fine. The damp rope is about 16 months old and was used primarily TR and solo tr using my mini traxions.
What do you think the chances are of getting core rot? Is there any way to tell? Would you still climb on it?
Thanks in advance.
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potreroed
Jan 26, 2011, 2:08 AM
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It's prolly OK. Just let it dry in a shady spot and you should be good to go.
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on a TR, I'd probably climb it... but what do I know? I'm gunna die.
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Let it dry and you're good to go.
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pyoor wrote: I've made a bad habit of keep all of my climbing gear in my trunk. Today I decided to pull everything out and store it in boxes in my house. Originally I thought that since the rope was dry when I last put it in my trunk (November) that it'd be fine now. Though now I've come to find that one of my ropes (not stored in a bag) felt pretty damp when pulling it out as well as a number of my draws and daisy chain. All of my sport draws and 2 other ropes felt fine. The damp rope is about 16 months old and was used primarily TR and solo tr using my mini traxions. What do you think the chances are of getting core rot? Is there any way to tell? Would you still climb on it? Thanks in advance.
First thing would be to let it dry a bit, then go into a climbing store that sells ropes and ask them if you should buy a new one.
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enigma wrote: pyoor wrote: I've made a bad habit of keep all of my climbing gear in my trunk. Today I decided to pull everything out and store it in boxes in my house. Originally I thought that since the rope was dry when I last put it in my trunk (November) that it'd be fine now. Though now I've come to find that one of my ropes (not stored in a bag) felt pretty damp when pulling it out as well as a number of my draws and daisy chain. All of my sport draws and 2 other ropes felt fine. The damp rope is about 16 months old and was used primarily TR and solo tr using my mini traxions. What do you think the chances are of getting core rot? Is there any way to tell? Would you still climb on it? Thanks in advance. First thing would be to let it dry a bit, then go into a climbing store that sells ropes and ask them if you should buy a new one.
Just out of curiosity, why would he need to let the rope dry a bit, before going to a store and asking questions? I am missing a connection.
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pyoor wrote: I've made a bad habit of keep all of my climbing gear in my trunk. Today I decided to pull everything out and store it in boxes in my house. Originally I thought that since the rope was dry when I last put it in my trunk (November) that it'd be fine now. Though now I've come to find that one of my ropes (not stored in a bag) felt pretty damp when pulling it out as well as a number of my draws and daisy chain. All of my sport draws and 2 other ropes felt fine. The damp rope is about 16 months old and was used primarily TR and solo tr using my mini traxions. What do you think the chances are of getting core rot? Is there any way to tell? Would you still climb on it? Thanks in advance.
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lena_chita wrote: enigma wrote: pyoor wrote: I've made a bad habit of keep all of my climbing gear in my trunk. Today I decided to pull everything out and store it in boxes in my house. Originally I thought that since the rope was dry when I last put it in my trunk (November) that it'd be fine now. Though now I've come to find that one of my ropes (not stored in a bag) felt pretty damp when pulling it out as well as a number of my draws and daisy chain. All of my sport draws and 2 other ropes felt fine. The damp rope is about 16 months old and was used primarily TR and solo tr using my mini traxions. What do you think the chances are of getting core rot? Is there any way to tell? Would you still climb on it? Thanks in advance. First thing would be to let it dry a bit, then go into a climbing store that sells ropes and ask them if you should buy a new one. Just out of curiosity, why would he need to let the rope dry a bit, before going to a store and asking questions? I am missing a connection.
I, too, would love to hear the thought process behind that post explained.
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enigma wrote: First thing would be to let it dry a bit, then go into a climbing store that sells ropes and ask them if you should buy a new one.
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edge wrote: lena_chita wrote: enigma wrote: pyoor wrote: I've made a bad habit of keep all of my climbing gear in my trunk. Today I decided to pull everything out and store it in boxes in my house. Originally I thought that since the rope was dry when I last put it in my trunk (November) that it'd be fine now. Though now I've come to find that one of my ropes (not stored in a bag) felt pretty damp when pulling it out as well as a number of my draws and daisy chain. All of my sport draws and 2 other ropes felt fine. The damp rope is about 16 months old and was used primarily TR and solo tr using my mini traxions. What do you think the chances are of getting core rot? Is there any way to tell? Would you still climb on it? Thanks in advance. First thing would be to let it dry a bit, then go into a climbing store that sells ropes and ask them if you should buy a new one. Just out of curiosity, why would he need to let the rope dry a bit, before going to a store and asking questions? I am missing a connection. I, too, would love to hear the thought process behind that post explained.
While it's drying though find out if the climbing store is a friend or a foe.
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Jan 26, 2011, 3:53 PM
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kachoong wrote: While it's drying though find out if the climbing store is a friend or a foe.
heh, heh...
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edge wrote: lena_chita wrote: enigma wrote: pyoor wrote: I've made a bad habit of keep all of my climbing gear in my trunk. Today I decided to pull everything out and store it in boxes in my house. Originally I thought that since the rope was dry when I last put it in my trunk (November) that it'd be fine now. Though now I've come to find that one of my ropes (not stored in a bag) felt pretty damp when pulling it out as well as a number of my draws and daisy chain. All of my sport draws and 2 other ropes felt fine. The damp rope is about 16 months old and was used primarily TR and solo tr using my mini traxions. What do you think the chances are of getting core rot? Is there any way to tell? Would you still climb on it? Thanks in advance. First thing would be to let it dry a bit, then go into a climbing store that sells ropes and ask them if you should buy a new one. Just out of curiosity, why would he need to let the rope dry a bit, before going to a store and asking questions? I am missing a connection. I, too, would love to hear the thought process behind that post explained.
I would love to hear the discussion between enigma and an REI employee 
Josh
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Jan 26, 2011, 6:08 PM
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caughtinside wrote: Let it dry and you're good to go.
Bingo.
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lena_chita wrote: enigma wrote: pyoor wrote: I've made a bad habit of keep all of my climbing gear in my trunk. Today I decided to pull everything out and store it in boxes in my house. Originally I thought that since the rope was dry when I last put it in my trunk (November) that it'd be fine now. Though now I've come to find that one of my ropes (not stored in a bag) felt pretty damp when pulling it out as well as a number of my draws and daisy chain. All of my sport draws and 2 other ropes felt fine. The damp rope is about 16 months old and was used primarily TR and solo tr using my mini traxions. What do you think the chances are of getting core rot? Is there any way to tell? Would you still climb on it? Thanks in advance. First thing would be to let it dry a bit, then go into a climbing store that sells ropes and ask them if you should buy a new one. Just out of curiosity, why would he need to let the rope dry a bit, before going to a store and asking questions? I am missing a connection.
Well you are right bring it in damp. Or dry and ask if you should buy another rope?
Its always best to get advice from a climbing stores that you trust.
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Jan 26, 2011, 6:48 PM
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enigma wrote: lena_chita wrote: enigma wrote: pyoor wrote: I've made a bad habit of keep all of my climbing gear in my trunk. Today I decided to pull everything out and store it in boxes in my house. Originally I thought that since the rope was dry when I last put it in my trunk (November) that it'd be fine now. Though now I've come to find that one of my ropes (not stored in a bag) felt pretty damp when pulling it out as well as a number of my draws and daisy chain. All of my sport draws and 2 other ropes felt fine. The damp rope is about 16 months old and was used primarily TR and solo tr using my mini traxions. What do you think the chances are of getting core rot? Is there any way to tell? Would you still climb on it? Thanks in advance. First thing would be to let it dry a bit, then go into a climbing store that sells ropes and ask them if you should buy a new one. Just out of curiosity, why would he need to let the rope dry a bit, before going to a store and asking questions? I am missing a connection. Well you are right bring it in damp. Or dry and ask if you should buy another rope? Its always best to get advice from a climbing stores that you trust.
Are you a broken android? You keep repeating the same stuff.
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Jan 27, 2011, 2:40 AM
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enigma wrote: lena_chita wrote: enigma wrote: pyoor wrote: I've made a bad habit of keep all of my climbing gear in my trunk. Today I decided to pull everything out and store it in boxes in my house. Originally I thought that since the rope was dry when I last put it in my trunk (November) that it'd be fine now. Though now I've come to find that one of my ropes (not stored in a bag) felt pretty damp when pulling it out as well as a number of my draws and daisy chain. All of my sport draws and 2 other ropes felt fine. The damp rope is about 16 months old and was used primarily TR and solo tr using my mini traxions. What do you think the chances are of getting core rot? Is there any way to tell? Would you still climb on it? Thanks in advance. First thing would be to let it dry a bit, then go into a climbing store that sells ropes and ask them if you should buy a new one. Just out of curiosity, why would he need to let the rope dry a bit, before going to a store and asking questions? I am missing a connection. Well you are right bring it in damp. Or dry and ask if you should buy another rope? Its always best to get advice from a climbing stores that you trust.
But what if they tell you to buy a new one?
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Kartessa wrote: enigma wrote: lena_chita wrote: enigma wrote: pyoor wrote: I've made a bad habit of keep all of my climbing gear in my trunk. Today I decided to pull everything out and store it in boxes in my house. Originally I thought that since the rope was dry when I last put it in my trunk (November) that it'd be fine now. Though now I've come to find that one of my ropes (not stored in a bag) felt pretty damp when pulling it out as well as a number of my draws and daisy chain. All of my sport draws and 2 other ropes felt fine. The damp rope is about 16 months old and was used primarily TR and solo tr using my mini traxions. What do you think the chances are of getting core rot? Is there any way to tell? Would you still climb on it? Thanks in advance. First thing would be to let it dry a bit, then go into a climbing store that sells ropes and ask them if you should buy a new one. Just out of curiosity, why would he need to let the rope dry a bit, before going to a store and asking questions? I am missing a connection. Well you are right bring it in damp. Or dry and ask if you should buy another rope? Its always best to get advice from a climbing stores that you trust. But what if they tell you to buy a new one?
You check their prices on GU to see if they are the kind of store that would gouge you and then act accordingly.
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I agree that your rope should be fine. Last weekend, I got caught in a storm, I kept cleaning the route on a soaked rope. The rope is still damp today, but I plan on climbing on it this weekend.
I do wonder what caused the dampness in your trunk? If it's just water, you're fine. If you spilled something in your trunk or store other petroleum product in the trunk, that's a different story.
Even if the carpet of your truck has oil on it, it might be worth getting a new rope.
Maybe Enigma, who knows where to buy GU at roughly 40% off of other location can find you a good rope for 50 or 60 bucks.
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your rope may be damaged, pm me and i'll give you my contact info to send it for testing
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jbro_135 wrote: your rope may be damaged, pm me and i'll give you my contact info to send it for testing
You may want to check your gear too... send the cams and I'll let you know you don't want them back.
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I always buy new double ropes after they get wet ice climbing.
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I bet its just fine
I would hang it up, I like to use the shower curtain rod. and get a fan blowing air on it for a day or two.
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pyoor wrote: Also, based on the recommendation of another forum member's PM I gave it a whiff to make sure it didn't smell moldy and seems fine.
pyoor wrote: Once I get ready to pack it up I'll make sure I check more thoroughly for any weak spots.
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jeepnphreak wrote: ...and get a fan blowing air on it for a day or two.
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guangzhou wrote: I do wonder what caused the dampness in your trunk? If it's just water, you're fine. If you spilled something in your trunk or store other petroleum product in the trunk, that's a different story. Even if the carpet of your truck has oil on it, it might be worth getting a new rope.
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your rope will be just fine. go climb, have fun. but if you feel need for new one, try gearexpress.com, they always got good sales on ropes, and if your common toproper on solo, try their selection of short ropes. youlle save a ton, and always have a short rope which are handy for tons of routes, glacier travel, short pitches. and wieght savings!
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marc801 wrote: jeepnphreak wrote: ...and get a fan blowing air on it for a day or two. Not necessary - just hang it up. If it's just water, the rope is fine.
I'm not that patent
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jeepnphreak wrote: marc801 wrote: jeepnphreak wrote: ...and get a fan blowing air on it for a day or two. Not necessary - just hang it up. If it's just water, the rope is fine. I'm not that patent
And the difference in drying time between fan and no fan would be negligible.
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marc801 wrote: guangzhou wrote: I do wonder what caused the dampness in your trunk? If it's just water, you're fine. If you spilled something in your trunk or store other petroleum product in the trunk, that's a different story. Even if the carpet of your truck has oil on it, it might be worth getting a new rope. Nylon ropes are unaffected by petroleum products. However, the oily residue does attract dirt, so the rope should be washed if that's the case.
Petroleum yes, but the additives in those products could have an impact.
Would you climb on a rope that you know was soak in motor oil, I would not.
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marc801 wrote: jeepnphreak wrote: marc801 wrote: jeepnphreak wrote: ...and get a fan blowing air on it for a day or two. Not necessary - just hang it up. If it's just water, the rope is fine. I'm not that patent No, I don't think you could get a patent on that. And the difference in drying time between fan and no fan would be negligible.
oops spelling error I meant patient
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I've been ice climbing 10 0f the last 14 days and my rope has gotten soaked every outing and never had the time to dry out properly.....I guess I should replace it ;^)
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I don't think the key part of the question for me would be "would I climb on a rope that got wet", but would be "would I climb on a rope stored for several months in a car trunk and now is mysteriously damp". A little water for a short period of time doesn't hurt after it dries (it has been proven that wet ropes have less dynamic capacity though until they dry).
What does the rope smell like? Even if the water doesn't rot the nylon, it can grow mildew and such that can affect the nylon. Ever seen a nylon tent put away wet? Ask Pete about breaking his ankle on El Cap when his daisy chain failed after being put away wet (or go to supertopo and ask him anyways).
If I knew for sure that the rope was dry for most of the time and then got wet recently from a leaky trunk seal, then I might climb on it, otherwise I'd be sketched.
Oh and why did you leave your gear in your trunk for 3 months?
And do you happen to have a rear mounted battery? Or mice in the car?
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marc801 wrote: pyoor wrote: Also, based on the recommendation of another forum member's PM I gave it a whiff to make sure it didn't smell moldy and seems fine. Again, nylon climbing ropes are impervious to mold. pyoor wrote: Once I get ready to pack it up I'll make sure I check more thoroughly for any weak spots. How do you intend to do that?
I usually slide the rope through my hand trying to feel for any weak, soft, or flat spots. That's the only way I've ever known to check a rope. Obviously since I'm posting in the Beginners forum I'd definitely like to know if there's a better way.
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I am very well aware of what he was asking. Trunks are damp places and shouldn't be a prob. But better care of ones gear in the future should be paramount.
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pyoor wrote: marc801 wrote: Again, nylon climbing ropes are impervious to mold. Hehehe, yeah, maybe not with clean water and elemental nylon in a lab. But you can tell that to my buddy's Metolius Portaledge Fly that litterally fell apart in his hands after stting in his storage area wet for a year (he didn't realize it got damp there either). Maybe they made the fly from cotton? Oh or my old tent left in the parents garage, or Pete's daisy chain. Or half a dozen things on our boats over the years (including nylon and dacron lines that turn green and get stiff but I'm sure their strength isn't affected at all too). You may be right that the actual fiber is not growing mold/mildew, but anything that can trap water will grow stuff eventually, and it has potential to cause serious structural damage. Probably not the case here if it doesn't smell moldy, but it can and does happen. Cheers!
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pyoor wrote: marc801 wrote: pyoor wrote: Also, based on the recommendation of another forum member's PM I gave it a whiff to make sure it didn't smell moldy and seems fine. Again, nylon climbing ropes are impervious to mold. pyoor wrote: Once I get ready to pack it up I'll make sure I check more thoroughly for any weak spots. How do you intend to do that? I usually slide the rope through my hand trying to feel for any weak, soft, or flat spots. That's the only way I've ever known to check a rope. Obviously since I'm posting in the Beginners forum I'd definitely like to know if there's a better way.
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guangzhou wrote: Petroleum yes, but the additives in those products could have an impact. Would you climb on a rope that you know was soak in motor oil, I would not.
http://k-mac-plastics.net/...resistance_chart.htm
...beer might be more of a concern than motor oil.
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olympicmtnboy wrote: What does the rope smell like? Even if the water doesn't rot the nylon, it can grow mildew and such that can affect the nylon. Ever seen a nylon tent put away wet? Ask Pete about breaking his ankle on El Cap when his daisy chain failed after being put away wet (or go to supertopo and ask him anyways). If I knew for sure that the rope was dry for most of the time and then got wet recently from a leaky trunk seal, then I might climb on it, otherwise I'd be sketched. Oh and why did you leave your gear in your trunk for 3 months? And do you happen to have a rear mounted battery? Or mice in the car?
The rope doesn't have a special odor (doesn't smell any different than the rest of my ropes) or smell like mold.
I do think that for the bulk of the time it was in my trunk it was dry though I can't be certain at what point it became wet.
Leaving it in my trunk was for that long was just bad decision making on my part. I'd leave it in there most of the summer because I'd usually climb 4-5 days a week. Though after Thanksgiving I had intended to take it out and clean/organize my gear but after a series of trips out of town and several weeks later I completely forgot.
Not my brightest of days.
And no, I do not have a rear mounted battery or mice in my car.
My car is fairly new. I'm thinking that if it did leak through the trunk lid it was because of a build-up of locust leaves around the weather stripping.
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